It's frustrating that after you vote you lose the ability to view the nominees. Could you put the list here, Jacob. I know you're not QUITE busy enough. Anyway, if you get a chance, that would be great.
Arrrgh! Just noticed this contest... and the worst part is I can't even join because i don't live in those countries... -_-
Just wondering if you win one day for your health hub, could you possible be chosen again on another day or are you trying the share the hublove and $$$?
I didn't notice that. At this point, the people's choice nominations are set in stone, but I'll keep an eye out for next time.
Definitely do that. It's not fair to give someone a 1/5 chance to with a total of $200, when everyone else gets 1/10 chance. It should definitely be an equal 1/10 chance.
We wouldn't allow someone to win twice in the same People's Choice - if it were to come to that, which I doubt
Are you referring to Imelleda having 2 of the 10 hubs this week? Didn't wordscribe have 2 of the 10 nominated hubs last week? Or are you talking about wordscribe winning last week, and nominated again this week?
Just the weekly nominations, not the daily ones. I am referring to one hubber having two hubs within the 10 choices for the same week.
Just to be clear here: all hubs except the Judge's picks win through a calculation, and not any editorial partiality.
The real issue is that we need more hubbers contributing to the contest.
As I mentioned in a previous reply, the number of entrants tends to taper off as the month goes on, and we are left with a pool of fewer hubbers to select from. That is the case currently. Most days the number of entrants hovers between 15-30 entries.
It's no wonder then that a high-quality hubber would find their work consistently in the running.
If you want to spread the love, then help us help you by promoting the contest to other hubbers. We are happy to have anyone win, provided they can write quality content.
There were still plenty of really good hubs written for the contest last week, that shouldn't have called for 2 hubs from the same hubber.
Imelleda's hubs are good, and I don't mean to be rude or overstep boundaries. But in general, how can one say that a hubber with just 4 hubs and 2 weeks of experience be considered a high-quality hubber?
I do agree that towards the end of the month even more people will dwindle off the contest. People start to lose momentum after writing a lot and never winning or being chosen for a best. Reading this thread, people have lost momentum due to the ideals of what is being looked for in a hub in order to be considered good.
I am included in those who have lost momentum. I started the contest going to write 3 a day, but decided when I had to insert link and news feeds and whatever else, it wasn't worth it bc I don't want those things in my hubs. I write when I think of a good hub. Some days I may write 3 and others none. I don't expect to win a best because I am not including things that is a requirement for being considered good or one of the best. It is discouraging.
This will probably be viewed as a sore loser, however, I have to agree with you Whitney! It does seem to be unfair for one individual to have a 2/5 change or more of winning the overall prize.
Especially when there are so many great writers participating. And several of us have asked for the number of hubs entered to be posted daily. (Low participation on one day might get higher the next if we were keep in formed of the numbers daily, consistently). Overall I think these factors have caused people to become disinterested and or discouraged.
I don't usually rant, and I'm not intending to be ranting now. However I am an accountant and there appears to be a "money glitch" in the contest. Perhaps within the next contest the rules can be set where everyone has a better opportunity of having a chance to winning.
I realize it sounds like a sore loser, and yes, I am disappointed I haven't written anything that qualifies for 2 weeks of top 10 hubs.
That is the point. There are so many good hubs, and yet the excuse for 2 hubs by one hubber listed in the top 10 is that there just aren't enough to choose from. There just aren't enough that follow their qualifications- external links and filler stuff, which just isn't my cup of tea to add if I don't have to.
I'm still trying my best though. :-/ Just isn't good enough for anything other than a random win. Which is cool, but I'd like to be praised for writing something that the officials thought was good.
Links are the key here. Not style, topic, aesthetics, grammar, etc. I have seen very nicely laid out and written hubs that were passed over. I am rather disappointed, but not my rules. *shrugs*
And, yes, I'm glad to see Wordscribe win.
Yeah I see what you mean. I thought my hub "Lose Weight With Ginseng" was going to be nominated. I spent a lot of time doing research for that hub. But instead, my diabetic dinner hub (which I thought wasn't half as good as my ginseng hub) was nominated, probably because I included 2 videos and 1 poll. I didn't include any external link, though. But anyway, I was lucky enough to win so I shouldn't be complaining that my ginseng hub wasn't appreciated lol. Just saying I understand how Whitney feels. That's all.
Did any of you - particularly Whitney - actually read either of the hubs I entered in the contest?
If you had, you would see that they are as high in quality as almost everything else around here. I did not realize that there was some kind of time limit before people here would judge a newcomer on the quality of their writing and not assume that because they have only been here a short time that they don't know how to write.
The grammar, spelling, and punctuation are certainly up to as high a standard as I have seen here. And I like to think my writing does have some flair and style. As well, I took time to try and add useful links, news links, and an entertaining/informational video clip or two.
I was very pleased to have had two of my hubs chosen. That seemed to say that this is a place where writers are valued for their abilities. I didn't expect to get many votes because I know not many people know me yet, but I did not expect this.
...and now even the pleasure of having two hubs nominated has been taken away by reading that they were only nominated because there weren't enough entries. Thanks so much for making my day.
I thought I would be accepted here on my merits and treated as a writer of at least some ability. It would seem that is not the case.
My sincere congratulations to both the winners.
Sorry, Money Glitch - wasn't trying to blast you - just really hurt
Your hubs are good, Imelleda. All I was trying to say in my earlier comment was that it's a bummer that some good hubs might have been overlooked because they don't contain links or videos. I didn't try to imply that the judges have bad judgement or the nominated hubs (including mine) didn't deserve it. I sounded kinda like an ungrateful winner, didn't I? Sorry HP. I'll shut up now!
If that's so, I'm disappointed. If the calculation is based on things like number of words, number of links, number of tables etc then it's not a writing contest. As Lynda says, most of us would expect to be judged on things like style, writing for clarity, punctuation etc which can't really be calculated. That's why some of us are disappointed the shortlist is being selected by a member of the Hub team rather than a fellow writer - I'd probably prefer some editorial bias, if it was in favour of good writing.
That said, the cream has come out on top because Wordscribe has written some great Hubs that fit the "calculation" and are well written as well.
Today's winner is Jerry G2! Check out his hub on how to get cut the Brangelina way in Brad Pitt Fight Club Workout-- GRRR!!!
He did all the work for you, so you don't need to worry about the paparazzi following your every move! Give him a hand!
Today's topic is weight-training...so get to it gym-rats!
Hey! I was nominated!!
I woke up this morning to various "congratulation" emails and comments, and I was, like, "For what?" Did a little searching, and, voila!
This is so cool! What a great way to start the day. I feel like putting on an evening gown and rolling out a red carpet. (Okay, truthfully, that's no exaggeration. Am I a dork or what? LOL)
SO ... thank you, to whomever it is that does the nominating. This is SO cool, win or lose!
Good luck with the nomination! The content nominates itself, so you're the one who did it.
As far as the red carpet and evening gown, I'm glad it didn't happen that way, because we might have shown up in the same dress, which would have been...awkward.
What time is it right now in Pacific time? I'm confusing myself b/c EST just had daylight savings and not sure its effect on PST.
Interesting about the calculation... I'm curious, is hub score part of that equation? I've noticed the hubs I've written earlier on in the week do better than the latter ones. Those hubs have higher scores, naturally as they'd had the appropriate time to "rise". Just curious...
Hubscores are not really counted in the contest because we are running other quality filters.
Give it up for Grant's World and his winning hub about starting on your path to being an adonis Weight Training 101. Congratulations!
Today's topic is a little something for the ladies...no seriously, it is called 'Especially for Women'.
We are looking for some good female-centered mental and physical health topics for tomorrow's drawing.
Thanks! Now I'll have more money to spend on my trip to Santa Cruz this weekend (this coming sat. is my bday). And congrats wordscribe41. You won AGAIN!
Congrats to the winners!
So, "mental health" fits under "Exercise & Fitness: Especially for Women". Wow. I wouldn't have thunk it.
But now that I know, I just may write another one...
Just posted my entry otherwise.
I don't think she meant to include you, Om. It sounds to me like her feelings were hurt about Whitney's comments.
Thank you, Om Paramapoonya. I was upset with Whitney's comments, and I do apologize for my too-broad inclusion. I was not upset with anything you said.
I was so very happy to have two hubs nominated, and then to read that some writers felt I shouldn't have been nominated because I have not been here as long as other writers - regardless of writing quality, or any value the hubs might have - that really took the shine off my day.
and then to say it was only because there weren't enough entries! My hubs were nominated for best of the week! Not just for the day!
I had felt good to be included, and I now feel most unwelcome, and that quality and ability don't count for much here - just how long you've been here and how many people you know.
Imelleda - I'm sorry that you've been made to feel unwelcome here, but I can assure you that it was no one's intent. The community here is great and most welcoming.
There have been a lot of issues that have arisen since week one of this contest as to its fairness in how it's being conducted. The details of how the hubs (top 10) are selected by only one person who has his own bias toward what he defines a "best hub" to be and such have really turned many good hubbers who were excited about this contest completely off.
You should continue to feel proud that two of your hubs were selected, regardless of how others feel about it.
I do hope that in the future, should there be another contest, the HP staff remember what happened this go round and they change things up a bit to make it more fair - more of a "real" contest.
BTW, welcome to HP!
I think this is worth repeating because there is a background hum of discontent that is bouncing around in private emails, but isn't being publicly expressed. I suspect some Hubbers are afraid that if they say anything, they'll spoil their chances of being selected for the shortlist (although personally, I don't think the HubPages team would be that petty).
Like Lily, I hope the HubPages team will take this on board for the next contest.
The main problem seems to be that many people thought they would be judged on their writing, and didn't consider the structure of the Hub. So next time, the solution would be to state upfront that contest Hubs must meet Flagship Hub criteria. Then there can be no complaints - no room for misunderstandings and it will put everyone on a level playing field from a Hub structure point of view, so the contest becomes about quality of content and writing.
If budget permits, ideally the shortlist should be prepared by someone independent, to remove any perception of bias - and preferably someone who's a writer, so people can't complain they're not being judged on quality of writing. But I understand there's a cost involved in that so it may not be practical.
I'll be honest - this entire thread is a real downer for me since we've made a concerted good faith effort to reward high-quality Hubs in this contest.
As I've said before, there are no minimum requirements to be selected as a weekly finalist, beyond those for any eligible Hub (300 words, original, etc.) But since these are Hubs written on specific topical matters, and not novellas or other types of prose, then it should be obvious that the quality and amount of information, as well as how that information is presented, matters most.
As to the quality of writing itself: this is an entirely subjective matter, as much as some think Don DeLillo's writing is brilliant and some think it's uninspired dreck. I would be interested in seeing what objective criteria anyone could suggest to assess the quality of writing of a Hub.
There is absolutely no bias, and besides neither Jacob nor I know any of you personally. Some that have complained have still had Hubs selected as finalists!
As I've said before, presenting hundreds of candidates to our judges and community (in the people's choice award) would quickly kill their participation. We have to use our best efforts to winnow down the corpus of great Hubs to a number we can reasonably expect won't overwhelm those who do the final judging.
Regardless of what we choose as finalists, some of you will agree and some of you will disagree. But to call that unfair is, well, unfair.
Don't be too down, Jason - there were many positives from the contest. 49 Hubs yesterday is a pretty good return and I just read Gracenotes' wonderful Hub - if that is the standard that you are aiming at, then that is great for Hubpages.
I just think that there was a little confusion at first - many people (myself included), assumed that the contest was going to operate more like the Hubnuggets, with a team of people selecting a shortlist of Hubs, covering a range of writing styles. I think that everybody knows what you are looking for, now, so onwards and upwards.
The standard of Hub produced has been exceptional, and the winners were all worthy - kudos to you and the team for making that happen. You have laid some good foundations and you should be proud of your work. Any new contest is going to need a few tweaks - that certainly doesn't mean that it was a waste of time
Thanks Sufidreamer. We are hoping to hold a contest quarterly, and hope to expand the countries eligible to participate each time (each contest is a confidence-building step).
Naturally, each topic will have its own twist so it'll never get boring.
I've really enjoyed the whole experience and it has encouraged me to write more! I always like to join in the hubmob anyway and the contest was a nice little bonus! Thank you hubpages for motivating us all... at the end of the day, our writings will still continue long after the contest has finished. The whole exercise has helped with everyone's self development!
If it wasnt for the contest, I wouldnt have produced my herbal hubs - I really enjoyed doing them:)
I'm sorry the negative comments have upset you, but I thought you'd prefer to know if people were expressing concerns in the background rather than stay oblivious. Only a few people said anything publicly but many were somewhat upset or confused - as Sufidreamer commented in his post. And you have to allow for the fact that people who've got very excited and enthusiastic about something can be equally negative when they're disappointed.
I suppose this is what I - and others - are not quite understanding. You say there's no minimum requirement, yet the first thing you do, if I understand correctly, is to whittle down the entries by using various "quality filters". If they're objective and quantifiable, couldn't you have let people know what they were upfront, as criteria for writing the Hub?
Writing contests are held all over the world all the time and while there is a subjective element, writers accept that. We were told the judges were fellow bloggers and writers, so we assumed it would be judged like a writing contest.
Now you've explained it, we appreciate the logistical challenges you faced and why things were done the way they were. The reason for my post was so you could hopefully make some changes if there is another contest, to avoid the misunderstandings that happened this time.
I suppose the only difficulty is that if you tell us your quality criteria upfront, we'll all comply and then you'll be left with no option but to try to judge the writing...
Imelleda, I didn't say that your hubs were bad. I said that they are good, but I didn't and don't understand why you had two submitted for the top 10. That wasn't fair for all the other really good hubs that were also submitted for the week. It wasn't the quality of your hubs by any means; it never was. The concern was that you had a greater chance at winning bc you had 2 hubs in the top 10, and there WERE other good hubs that could have been up there in replace of one of yours, even though it was said there weren't enough to pick from in order to prevent a hubber from having 2.
I did look at your hubs, and I am sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent. My concern was that another hub could have been in place of one of yours, so that there was a fair chance for everyone who was in the top 10.
No one ever said anything bad about your hubs, but the fairness of you have 1/5 greater chance to win over the 1/10 chance everyone else had. That was the concern. I am sorry that it offended you or came off otherwise.
There are many good hubs written that are aesthetically pleasing and informative that have been written for the contest, and many of those are being overlooked because they don't fit a formula set forth for the contest.
Thanks Whitney - but you certainly did make some comments about the quality of my hubs.
First you say they are good, and then you turn around and question the overall quality of my work by asking how I could possibly be a "high-quality" hubber because I have only been here for a couple of weeks.
TO quote you - "Whitney05 wrote:
There were still plenty of really good hubs written for the contest last week, that shouldn't have called for 2 hubs from the same hubber.
Imelleda's hubs are good, and I don't mean to be rude or overstep boundaries. But in general, how can one say that a hubber with just 4 hubs and 2 weeks of experience be considered a high-quality hubber?"
Whitney, we really have no idea who any of us are here, or where else we might write. So I think we should be a little careful of saying that someone is not capable of being a high-quality hubber simply because they don't have a lot of hubs published and haven't been here long.
As well, comments were made about the criteria for judging - that style, grammar, punctuation, etc. weren't at issue - only links and media. As a matter of fact, one of the winners made a point of saying she had no links in her winning hub, so I guess links are not the only criteria.
I am discouraged, as a newcomer, that my abilities would be so commented on, and that people would react so negatively to a newcomer being nominated in a competition as to comment on it, and try to explain how it must have happened - after all it couldn't have been just because she is a good writer.
If, as we seem to be so fond of saying here, we want to be judged as writers, then perhaps we should offer others the same courtesy. Judge me by the quality of my work - and remember that two of my hubs were considered good enough to be nominated for the hub of the week...
Again, my sincere congratulations to the winners, and thanks to all who have offered their support to a "newbie" - I do truly appreciate it.
Oh and by the way, the hub count for today was 33.
I'll be better about including that in the posts.
Thanks, Lily Rose, and congratulations, rebekahELLE!!!
thanks wordscribe and imelleda and congrats to both of you as well.
as far as I understand the contest is open to every single hubber regardless of how long someone has been writing here. I know from comments I've seen that the contest has also drawn new people in who have knowledge about the topics. contests generally are for promotion. there are many very good hubs being written and they're being indexed fast. that's a good thing for all of us.
You don't have to quote me. I remember what I said. The comment was not made in disrespect to your hubs, as I stand by what I said, they are good. The comment was merely a question as to how one can deem a hubber of a few weeks high quality; the hubber not the hubs was my question. It was a general question that really wasn't geared specifically to you (although, I realize it sounded as such, that wasn't the intent). I am sorry to offend you. I never said that you weren't a quality hubber; I was just posing a question.
Also, I was not the one who started the comments in regards to grammar not being a concern, so please don't throw all of that on me. I didn't see any hub without an external link; I must have missed the one you're referring to.
I have contacted you privately so that we don't have to keep conversing on the forums.
I just wanted to keep it public that I was never trying to offend you or say that you are a bad hubber who writes bad hubs. I never said that.
Congratulations to all the winners and for those who didn't win, you are winners too. Great job everyone.
Oops... I guess I am not eligible for the contest. I read the rules now only, after creating a hub on today's topic!! I wish I could have participated too.
You can still participate, as there's nothing that says you can't write hubs on the topics. You just won't be eligible to win anything.
If you've not eligible for contest prizes, you can still enjoy the publicity of the topics and join the HubMob.
My Congrats go out to all the writers in this contest. I think your all winners. Good Luck!
Feliz Friday Hubbers!
Today's winner is Pamela 99. Check out her excellent work in the hub Family Fitness Promotes Child Fitness. Congratulations!
(BTW: Total hubs for today are 21.)
Today's topic is Quick Workouts, something that I could use along with a quick nap .
So there you have it.
Also, HubPages Wizard Fawntia Fowler will be taking over for me tomorrow, so look out for her daily winner post tomorrow!
Hey, Jacob... little problem. There's a thread going in the "Report a problem" category about uploading pictures. It's been going for a few days now and staff has yet to address the problem. You can read more about the details of the specific issue(s) there so as not to be redundant. However, after the debacle I had this morning trying to upload pictures, I'm finally fed up enough to bring it here. I BARELY made the deadline as a result of this neverending issue. I thought I was going to have to abandon ship there for a while. And trust me, I allowed plenty of time to set up the hub. Any information about whether admin is aware of this photo loading problem? Any headway being made? Thanks, Jacob!
Here's my Quickie Hub!
Body Rolling: The Quick, Easy, Effective Workout
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And a big congratulations to you Pam!!
Thanks so much, Jacob. I appreciate your fast attention...
Congrats to all of the winners so far and I am also having fun writing about the topics! Keep up the good work!
Hi everyone! I'm taking over for Jacob today to announce the winner of the Daily Drawing. The winner is (for a second time!) alexandriaruthk with her Hub Quick exercise for post natal moms : achieving "tummylicious" look. There were 34 Hubs about quick workouts in the running.
YAY!!! Congrats Alexandriaruthk...
What day are we on now? Can anyone confirm this with me please
Thanks wordscribe - just wanted to get the timing right!
My pleasure. I'm even IN the exact HP time zone and I still find myself checking and double checking!
Thank you, Thank you everyone, Ms Fawntia and Jacob! and HP people!!! I really apprciate it, I am very happy to wake up this morning and I won again!
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