First payout doesn't look good

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   wildernessposted 14 years ago

   I had hoped to make my first Adsense payout this month - if I could once more double the previous months earnings it would happen, and I've seen that or more every month since beginning to write.
   
   Unfortunately, the past week has been poor, and it doesn't look good.  I expect to be about 4 or 5 dollars short.  Maybe if everyone jumped up and down at the same time it would shake some clicks loose??
   
   On the bright side, I just got my first Amazon payout ($10) and have earned another one.  Plus, the Adsense payout for Nov. should be pretty good sized.

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      donkeyz1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No worries, I'm sure things will pick up. After a while away, I'm just now getting my scores back up.. I agree with the Engineer though, if you write well, you will succeed.

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      Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I just looked to see how long you've been on here.  I'm guessing you'll be among the good percentage that gets your first pay at seven/eight months.  When you're in those first months you can't necessarily go by this kind of thing:  "$2 three months ago.  $4 the month after that.  $8 the month after that."  Oh - it seems to be doubling every month."  That's only how it seems in the beginning.
      
      The "pattern of any increase" tends to be more like a slow-growing snowball, rather than something that climbs in steps according to whatever increase takes place in the first few months.
      
      Some months the snowball make seem to grow a little faster than other months.  I've had a time or two (or three) when it didn't grow at all.  At least for me, there has been a definite pattern; but it isn't as simple a pattern as what it seems to be before you get that first payment.

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   WryLiltposted 14 years ago

   Well just be glad... you're ahead of me.
   
   I originally joined hubpages in January. Missed Adsense payout last month by $2. ($150 payout here in Australia)
   
   So next month I'll finally get my first Adsense payout. And hopefully by Xmas my first Amazon $100 cheque.
   
   But till now I haven't got a cent in cash.

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      Kangaroo_Jaseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Consider this not bad at all with the Australian dollar = 0.9759 U.S. dollars

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      wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, WryLilt, I remember you posting last month about being almost there, but then didn't see any more and assumed you only almost made it.  $2 short!  Sorry to hear that, but just think how big the first check will be, especially at the $150 payout level.  I'm with Kangaroo - that's doing well.

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   Money Glitchposted 14 years ago

   How about this for jumping up and down.
   
   You've already got the first Amazon payout and Adsense is on the way. Way to go!

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      wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You're wonderful!  I think it did some good - today has been good for me.  Keep 'em jumping!

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   Simone Smithposted 14 years ago

   I agree with the lot - be patient, and the payouts will get better and better!

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   Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago

   Some of my hubs are seasonal so they tend to fluctuate according to the time of year.  But overall the growth is encouraging!

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   LindaJMposted 14 years ago

   Waiting for the first payout is tough... but soon you'll be getting one every month. I've got a few other sites that have been paying me well, though I just started making hubs on this site.

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   Hey Wilderness, apparently you will be reaching payout. And, your Amazon is at least getting some sales. Either way, it's good moving forward.
   
   Just because it's not this month? Doesn't make it not good. It is still coming and for that I say- Congrats!
   
   I hope you have many more.

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      wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are of course right.  Plus, if I make it this month I probably won't make it next month.  Doesn't matter - I want it now!  (kicks heels on floor and screams)
      
      Thanks, Cagsil.

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         Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It will come! I still remember being just 1 penny short for my first payout. Then had to wait another month for that payout.
         You are doing better than I am with Amazon though.

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            wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            OMG, Michael!  One lousy penny?  That would truly be horrible.

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   gracenotesposted 14 years ago

   Wilderness,
   I did fabulously well in October until about the 20th of this month.  I have heard other hubbers say that the click values fall near the end of the month because advertising budgets have already been spent.
   
   Whether that's true or not, I am less than a dollar away from my first payout.  I'm going to cross my fingers for both of us.  Good luck to you!

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      wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Only a dollar away - I'm sure you will make it.  I've still got $7 to go; it would take two more great days for me.  Kudos to you for getting there, though!  It's a great feeling, isn't it?

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      WryLiltposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know how true this is gracenotes - two days ago I had my best Adsense day ($5.65).
      
      Then again my clicks aren't really varied enough to do in depth data analysis from!

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   wildernessposted 14 years ago

   A thanks to all of you for providing some encouragement.  Whether I make it this week or next, it's a good feeling, and I appreciate the comments.

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    Tilecleaninghubposted 14 years ago

    Wow this is pretty stupid.  Posting this with the underhand hint of asking people to click on your adds so you can reach payout is gonna get you banned.  Worse yet it is not gonna be good for hubpages, this forum or the advertisers that you just ripped off.  Also any hubbers falling for this and feeling bad so you click his adds had better think twice.  Google aint stupid and your risking your own account and this is bad for everyone.  Also who cares if you reach payout it is not like your going to lose it you just make it next month.

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       wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm sorry you feel that way, Tile.  But, you know, not all hubbers have the ethical standards of a politician caught with their hand on your wallet, nor are they stupid.  I would highly doubt that even one of the responders to this thread (with the exception of yourself) even thought of, let alone actually considered, clicking on an ad to help out.  We all know that is not only wrong, but dangerous as well.  Why do you think no one earns anything until they have built organic, not HP, traffic?  If you're not sure, let me educate you: hubbers don't click, that's why.
       
       It is just possible that the whole thing is about a little camaraderie, a little feeling of community, of encouragement, yes?  Some of us do care about other hubbers and want to help out with advice or simple emotional support.   I do understand, however, that not all hubbers wish to be a part of the community, to make friends, to help others out.  Sad but true.

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    Paradise7posted 14 years ago

    I'll give you some clicks, you look interesting, and hope it helps.
    
    Love from Paradise.

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       wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I trust, at 14 months and 91 hubs you know better.  Thanks for the thought, but no thanks.  I'll take my clicks honestly, from someone interested in an ad.
       
       Ordinarily I would not make any further reply, but in view of Tilecleaninghub's comments, and on the off chance that you actually don't know; it is not only very unethical it is against google's rules to click ads simply to gain income, either for yourself or someone else.  It is basically theft from the supplier of the ad.  Don't do it.  It can also cause the loss of your adsense account.

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    Tilecleaninghubposted 14 years ago

    I guess I was replying like a jerk sorry.  Still you should really think twice about posting this topic.  I am sure if you emailed this link to google they would not condone it.  Also not everyone knows the google terms and conditions so putting yourself in this predicament is not smart imo.

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       wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Accepted.  And, I have to say, you may have a point.  I have seen dozens, if not hundreds, of similar threads, and never gave it a thought when it was my turn to be excited.  I've not seen the point you made before your post, but it does carry some truth to it.
       
       However, checking my analytics, all of the clicks today came from outside HP, from organic traffic.  In fact, thought I obviously don't check every click, I have never seen one that came from HP, except when someone bounced from one of my hubs to another.  As they are all interlinked, that's not only not surprising, it is hoped for.

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    Paradise7posted 14 years ago

    I just happened to know how this hubber feels.  It has taken me a solid year to reach payout, and that wasn't because I write poorly.  It was because I didn't care to profitize my hubs so much that they were all about products, to begin with.  I wasn't on here to sell anything, but yes, it did seem like a lot of effort for very little material reward, though a great deal of personal satisfaction...
    
    
    I wasn't in it for the money, neither is she, but still, I know exactly how this hubber feels and I wanted to help out a little bit.   
    
    Tilecleaning, I know your intentions are good, but really, hon, really...didn't you feel the same way, just at first???

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       Tilecleaninghubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well maybe you write for fun and dont really care about payouts etc.  A lot of people have a dream to live off their earnings, put a lot of effort into internet marketing and getting banned by google is akin to losing your job/house/ etc.. If winderness does not care then ok but it is really not worth the risk.  I am sure wilderness does not have bad intentions but this really should be a wake up call to him and everyone else.   Maybe it is ok after month ends to talk in general terms but this is still wrong.

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    Kidgasposted 14 years ago

    Some interesting points raised in this thread.  Best of luck wilderness.

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    SteveoMcposted 14 years ago

    Wilderness, there is nothing wrong with your OP.  Some people do not understand the culture of support here.  You share your accomplishments and your struggles, it would never occur to me to click on your ads, and I expect the same in return.  I have had quite a few people outside of hubpages ask if I wanted them to click on a few ads.   I always tell them no.   I want my clicks from real organic traffic.
    
    Then at the end of the 2nd page, there is spammy spam spammer.  What a joke. 
    
    That last few dollars is like watching paint dry, but it does happen, I just got my first check for a little over $100 and I am thrilled.   And when you get yours, I want you to share the excitement.
    
    All of you who want to ridicule or judge, you need to work at belonging to the community.

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       Tilecleaninghubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       SteveoMc your wrong.  The bottom line is original post is in violation of google TOS.  Have you read the adsense TOS.  No one is riduculing no one.  If you think we are not helping then I suggest you post the same forum post and have someone provide google a link and see what they say.  Or else I suggest someone from Hubpages say if it is wrong or not.

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          SteveoMcposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Actually, I have read the Adsense TOS, several times.   I have also gone back and read individual parts many times.   I have spent an inordinate amount of time making sure that I understand the TOS.   I have followed threads in the forums and read interpretations of the TOS.  I have investigated the spammer's approach to ascertain the illegal activities.   I feel quite comfortable with my understanding of the Adsense TOS.
          
          And, I actually have no problem with other hubbers pointing out to me when I may be wrong or in a gray area.  I think that many opinions about exactly what TOS means is healthy and generates some great discussions.   
          
          I do have a problem with the way you put it.   It seems rude.
          
          For your clarification, this is what the TOS says about fraudulent clicking:
          
          Invalid Clicks and Impressions
          
          Publishers may not click their own ads or use any means to inflate impressions and/or clicks artificially, including manual methods.
          
          Clicks on Google ads must result from genuine user interest. Any method that artificially generates clicks or impressions on your Google ads is strictly prohibited. These prohibited methods include, but are not limited to, repeated manual clicks or impressions, automated click and impression generating tools and the use of robots or deceptive software. Please note that clicking your own ads for any reason is prohibited.
          
          Encouraging Clicks
          
          Publishers may not ask others to click their ads or use deceptive implementation methods to obtain clicks. This includes, but is not limited to, offering compensation to users for viewing ads or performing searches, promising to raise money for third parties for such behavior or placing images next to individual ads.
          
          In order to ensure a good experience for users and advertisers, publishers participating in the AdSense program may not:
          
              * Compensate users for viewing ads or performing searches, or promise compensation to a third party for such behavior.
              * Encourage users to click the Google ads using phrases such as "click the ads", "support us", "visit these links" or other similar language.
              * Direct user attention to the ads using arrows or other graphical gimmicks.
              * Place misleading images alongside individual ads.
              * Place ads in a floating box script.
              * Format ads so that they become indistinguishable from other content on that page.
              * Format site content so that it is difficult to distinguish it from ads.
              * Place misleading labels above Google ad units. For instance, ads may be labelled "Sponsored Links" or "Advertisements", but not "Favourite Sites" or "Today's Top Offers".
          
          IMHO, the OP did not violate any of these rules, nor were any of these methods used to encourage or ask for fraudulent clicks.

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    prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago

    Congrats wilderness! I am sure it will come today or within the next days..

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       wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks, Pretty.  Yes, it will come - that is about inevitable now.  Maybe not tomorrow, but very soon.  It's a good feeling to see something from all the work.

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          Druid Dudeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Worrying about dollars, makes no cents.

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          prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yes I know the feeling, Love your avatar BTW!

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             wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Thank you.  That's my little grandson, 2 years.  He's a cutie, but that pic  is extra special.

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