while going through google buzz i found that my hubs are posted on a site called 68Articles.com
does anyone know anything about this site? i did not post my hubs there nor did i give any permission to do so. in fact, i wasn't even aware of teh site.
does anyone know how they would've gotten access to my hubs?
thanks Website Examiner. I had no idea...
i am completely blown away by this. just happened to stumble upon it when i was going through my google buzz stuff today. i'd hate to think what would've happened had i not seen it. glad i could warn my fellow hubbers.
this is definitely getting reported.
good spotting. I see they stolen nearly a dozen of mine too. What is strange is only about half of the article appears with a full width pic - must be odd to read, as it gets cut off!
Wonder if they are part of the reason we have been hit hard by Google?
Once your hub is published, anyone can technically copy it and post it anywhere. There is no way to prevent it. Sometimes, it is automated through a technology called "scraping."
Now you must go through the trouble of asking them to take it down; if need be, filing a DMCA complaint against the site and/or with Google.
Have you seen this site???
ALL of my hubs are copied there. I checked a number of hubbers, ALL of their hubs are repeated there too. Not just a link, the WHOLE of their articles.
Go there, change the search to author name, enter your author name and see if all your articles are there too.
I just checked the website 68 articles.com a few minutes ago. And as suggested by Tina, put my name in the search box. Sure enough I had found three articles that I had written about astronomy on the first page. I do not know if this is a good or a bad thing? All I know is that I will keep writing for hubpages in between my regular job, because I love to write. It is still a bit bothersome considering I have only been with Hubpages a little more than 2mos.s, but we know that they are not to blame for this.
It is a bad thing for sure. Your search engine rankings may suffer, and you may be penalized for duplicate content in spite of you not being at fault.
All of these people's hubs have been copied. There are more, you can just browse the site and see hubber's names
Patty Inglish, MS
Check out these two articles
Thanks for catching this - I mailed the site to remove the content. You might want to send a message to Hubpages though as it's a rather large part of the Hubpage portfolio that has been stolen!
30 of my hubs were on there, I tried to file a complaint but had trouble with the fill out, site seems to be down at the moment which is good..I am relying on other peoples complaints to save me at the moment lol
So as your suggested response, made earlier to Tina, it is probably worth the extra trouble to report the complaint, to either Google or 68articles? Thanks for all of the feedback in reference to this issue.
Website Examiner, we are all affected
To anyone in this thread who has posted a link to the site or has replied to a post and included the link, PLEASE go back and edit your post and take out the http:// or add a space (ht tp://) so that it's not a live link. All you're doing is helping the perpetrators by giving them a backlink. That's a really good way to ensure that their copies of your material rank more highly than your originals in the search engines.
This site has apparently just scraped a LOT of content from Hubpages and re-published it.
At least as far as my copied hubs are concerned, the copies have not yet been indexed on Google or Yahoo (i.e. searching for exact phrases from my hubs, inside quotation marks, does not show results from this domain)
The site uses Adsense, and I have reported them for violating my copyright.
You should do the same if your hubs have been copied: Just go to a page that has Adsense and click the "Ads by Google" link in the lower right corner (this does NOT count as clicking the ad, so don't worry!) On the resulting page there is a checkbox that indicates that the site is violating your copyright. Tick that box and leave a comment in the text area below, if you like.
You can also fill out DMCA complaints, but having this dirtbag's Adsense account canceled for rampant violations will probably do more to discourage this outrageous level of theft!
Can someone please post to this thread if they actually report their copied hubs to Google. I tried to report mine and had a few problems
1. It wants me to list all the violations, I have over 100 hubs that have been copied, I really don't want to list all the URLs and the violating URLs.
2. I did a lower right corner click and it told me not to use that form, but submit a DMCA, I tried to submit the DMCA and it won't take it and has a very strange error message that I'm sure is not from Google.
I just used the link that Edweirdo told us to use and it worked fine, try it again
The text on the reporting page says you don't "have to" fill out that form, but can instead file a DMCA request. As the violation is site-wide and involves thousands of hubs, I simply reported the whole site to Adsense for copyright infringement. Filing separate DMCA's is also an option.
FYI, I also emailed the HubPages team, so we'll see what action they take - since this affects a great deal of their content and 68articles is literally trying to steal HubPages' traffic, HP should take action to protect the site as a whole, IMHO...
Thanks for the step by step remedy...geez seems I spend all my time chasing after thieves these days!
They copied practically all my hubs. And they are getting many views as well.
This is outrageous. I wonder why it hasn't been detected by HP and Hubdefender.
OMG I have just checked this site and it has posted word for word 20 of my hubs. I can not believe this.
I have done as you said Edweirdo and reported them for Google Adsense violation.
I tried to see anywhere on the site where I could contact them to demand that they remove my articles but could not see anywhere. Anyone find it?
I hope that the site didn't also use our publisher id's since they used our user names. We might all get banned from Adsense. Just an awful thought!
No they couldnt see it to steal. Our Profile names are on each of our hubs but our Adsense id's are like passwords only we can see them.
There is a "contact" link at the bottom of the page.
I didn't use it - a theft of this scale does not merit a polite email from me wagging my finger at someone as if he had copied a single hub out of ignorance. This is blatant and intentional theft-for-profit, and the only recourse (IMHO) is the swift cancellation of his Adsense account by Google.
Was that too harsh
Nice work clark farley and thanks for going public with this info. We hubbers need good detective work like this and by all means letting other hubbers know so we can get these horse thieves stopped as soon as they have been spotted.
A special category thread should be dedicated for reporting copyright violators or violated websites
links disabled so they don't get a back link like someone mentioned here.
Just found several of mine and another hubbers on there. SimeyC would you please explain how to go about mailing the site and thanks to clark for letting us all know.
i just checked to see if mine are there..the search changes when i typed in my name..i do see others here..
this is sickening..
The unlimited, ongoing, never ending thievery just takes the joy out of this. Every hour spent dealing with this scum is one less hour available to write hubs and otherwise enjoy life.
I complete crush would involve also contacting BlueHost, as they are hosting the illegally obtained content.
The registrant info seems to be faked also, (phone number 123456?)so a quick message to Ican can also result in seizure of the domain name.
Either blueHost or ICANN will react to fake registration information.
If you have been effected sending off a quick email can really have an effect, especially if dozens of you do it.
Registrar: FastDomain Inc.
Provider Name....: BlueHost.Com
Provider Whois...: whois.bluehost.com
Provider Homepage: http://www.bluehost.com/
Domain Name: 68ARTICLES.COM
Created on..............: 2010-04-06 15:46:26 GMT
Expires on..............: 2012-04-06 15:46:26 GMT
Last modified on........: 2010-10-11 18:59:34 GMT
Registrant Info: (FAST-14841719)
Last modified: 2010-11-03 17:28:33 GMT
I thought about going that route, but if the ISP pulls the site then Google won't have a chance to delete this d-bag's Adsense account! He'll probably just set up shop somewhere else...
the ISP wont be very quick to respond:
If you do fill out any DMCA's - Bluehost legal dept would like a copy so they can react firstname.lastname@example.org
A good point, Edweirdo. I want him shut down, but to be shut down AND lose adsense is even better.
Sunforged; if you haven't seen them you have a list there, too.
they'll just get another name & set up another account?
Some of my content is on there too. Since their search doesn't appear to be working right now all I could find of my content is what is indexed in Google.
Replace melbel with YOUR username and do a Google search to see if your stuff comes up if you are unable to use their search.
Melbel, search for your name using their "author name" feature, and make sure to click the submit button - do not press enter after entering your name. I found 11 of your hubs on the first page - subsequent pages are blank, just as they are when I search for my own name.
yes how convenient that their search is not working.
Well, you can add Wilderness to the list - 5 of my hubs are on the site.
I used the method suggested by Edweirdo to notify Google - this seems the best outside of filing individual DMCA complaints. It doesn't look to me like any single individual doing this, but likely site wide involving management. Better that they simply be shut down rather than trying to get them to remove stolen content.
I couldn't find any indication that any of their "featured authors" have written anything at all - rather it seems to be nothing but scraped content.
Nothing seems cached yet, as has been pointed out, yet the publication dates given for my own content dates back to January. Seems a little odd...
I found some of mine, too. Infuriating.
I've also contacted Google.
Yeah, I hit enter, it's a natural thing for me I guess. Poor design on his part.
Okay, so I went to file a DMCA through Google and upon hitting submit I got this, which is the strangest thing I've ever seen from Google. I tried to search and see if anyone else is having this problem, but to no avail:
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww26 … a/crap.jpg
It doesn't submit, it just says "crap" and does nothing. No fields are red as if I'd done something wrong. Just "crap."
I just chatted with a bluehost rep - he suggested that they could take action if DMCA's were filed with them.
I've never had to file one of these - does this sound reasonable?
My self, my wife and her cousin have total of 380 hubs copied by these scumbags.
They did not copy images - essential to these hubs - just the text. Does that mean this is some scraping program that does this automatically.
Not to complain but we have recently had trouble posting new hubs because some text is repeated in our own hubs; dowsuch as instructions on how to download images or print the images in the hub.
This is really upsetting, how can we be told our work is duplicate content when these creeps are doing this.
Wonderful. I got basically the same thing. A little different image, but the same "crap" message with an exclamation point.
Great... okay now I might feel a little better or worse, can't decide yet... but the same thing happened to me. Got the "crap" message. WHAT IS GOING ON?
I have pointed this out several times but no one seems to be getting it:
Reporting DMCA to Google is useless!
Send DMCA to the ISP using the info from sunforged's post
Google does not host this site and cannot and WILL NOT remove it!
Only the ISP can do so , so send your DMCA requests to them, NOT GOOGLE
Reporting to Google Adsense per my first post here will alert Adsense, but WILL NOT get the site removed
Now I am going to bed
Reading your forum posts across the board never was my favorite pastime.
I couldn't figure out how to contact their ISP - their email contact assumed you were a subscriber. Here is a suggestion from a Google adsense forum: click on their ads and file a complaint there
I got the same impression. Did send them an email, however.
I just did this - seemed easy enough - just clicked on the google ads icon on the site and it took me to a form - I selected that I wanted to report a problem with the site & ticked the box that they took my stuff & added some additional info. Hopefully, if they get a pile of them, they will take action to disable their account quickly.
I also emailed the offender
not ISP - Host, different
send DMCA to email@example.com
If you are trying to submit a DMCA complaint, don't do it via Google! They do not host the site in question.
File your DMCA with the host in sunforged's post - they are the only ones who can do anything about it! Google doesn't own the Internet(despite all appearances to the contrary ) and all they can do is go after the guys Adsense account and/or de-index the site from their listings.
We have eight members of our family that have had content copied bye 68articles.com and we have all individually just sent the following letter via their contact us link.
Cease and Desist. Remove all content you scraped, copied or otherwise obtained from Hubpage author bima.purnawan1
It's scum like you and your site that caused Google to put the revenue of so many hardworking content producers in jeopardy.
You have stirred up a hornets nest at hubpages. Suggest you remove every hubpage copied content on your site NOW.
Google has been notified by HUNDREDS of Hubpage members.
Our attorney is filing the required cease and desist documents.
Do you have the balls to even reply and explain your actions.
I am sure with a problem of this magnitude hubpages will jump in.
Can't HubPages file a cease and desist an action for the entire Hubpages community. I believe has to be done by the entity that owns / runs the website.
I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I doubt it. HP does not own your content and has no rights there. We would have to individually give HP the right to take any action on our behalf.
this is the "whois" information for
"Mr 68" owns about1 other domains
is associated with about 948,745 domains
is associated with about 3 domains
2 changes on 3 unique name servers over 1 year.
5 changes on 5 unique name servers over 1 years.
11 records have been archived since 2010-04-07 .
2,215 other sites hosted on this server.
They will never find this creep!
I found at least 13 of mine on there. I hope this can get sorted out, I don't want to lose my Adsense account, or have my hubs unpublished by HubPages. I'll await further communication from the team.
Oh I just noticed what wilderness said, "We would have to individually give HP the right to take any action on our behalf."
And I do give the team consent to act on my behalf.
We are like the blind leading the blind. We need the Hubpages team to advise everyone about this officially and tell us what they want us to do.
Here is a link to a complaint we posted on the Google Help forum.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/A … d3cb868c26
Please join in complaining about www.68articles.com
As I stated in my previous post, Google can not do anything about the site - all they can do is take away his Adsense account. They cannot remove the site.
You need to direct your complaints to the site's ISP per the details in sunforged's first post...
Wow this is disgusting. Like Edweirdo said I think the best way to shut them down is get their Adsense banned. If they don't make any money doing this type of thing it will stop, otherwise they will just make another page if this one is closed.
Ick... they have mine, too. Okay, off to waste time with the complaint. Thanks for letting us know, OP!!!
From team @ hubpages.com in response to my email about this site:
"Unfortunately there is no way to deal with this other than the individual copyright holders filing DMCA complaints...(and contacting 68articles . com but it is unlikely that they will respond)."
So let's get to chopping this guy off at the knees!
See the post by sunforged for the ISP details for logging DMCA complaints. That can help to get your copied hubs removed, and maybe get this guy kicked off his ISP.
I still recommend complaining to Adsense so that he gets hit where it hurts - if he can't make money from this it may prevent him from just relocating to another web host...
Its like retail in a way. If you store is a push-over, bye-bye merchandise; and word spreads: but if you catch; and prosecute to the max, word gets around on that too.
E-mailed them a business like demand to delete 'authors' articles a couple of hours ago. Gave them till 4-1-2011 12:00P.M. est or a complaint would be made with Google Adsense and other pertinent institutions for copyright infringement. We'll see what happens.
Ummmm.... I am baffled. I just filled out my DMCA, clicked submit and got a pop-up window from google that said:
the page at http://google.com says:
Didn't read the whole thread but I find using the report site to google helpful as well as DCMA. I did this fairly recently and the offending site was deindexed from google's search results within 48 hours. https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools … &pli=1
I think I FINALLY figured out how to contact Bluehost regarding complaints:
Their DMCA email address is:
Email DMCA reports to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Go here to see what they require to file the complaint:
See item number 10 under "COPYRIGHT NOTICE INFRINGEMENT INFORMATION"
Hope that helps... I filed mine, so we'll see what happens.
Complaint filed with Adsense
DMCA sent to the Bluehost legal dept.
Bluehost are a decent company - it shouldn't take long if enough of us file DMCA notices. No need to panic, folks - follow the advice of Sunforged and Edweirdo, and Mr 68 will soon be history
Hey all, I just wanted to Post my thanks to a certain Ms. AKH who works with me on the Wakefield Doctrine-related Hubs here at my hub that she Posted her alert rom.
(She is my 'analytic side') and it was Ms AKH that uncovered the scraping that started this little brouhaha...I was not aware of every place that the Wakefield Doctrine was being used to make money for someone who either could not be bothered or simply lacked the talent/industry to create content.
So I will thank Ms AKH (http://hubpages.com/profile/AKH) (hopefully this link will be useful to the folks over at 68articles.
A whole lot of my Hubs are on this site also. Busy reporting them to adsense.
Have to say Mr 68 (may his soul rot!) is discerning - he chose some of the best of mine!
Maybe us making a couple 100 posts here might help get google's attention?
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/A … &hl=en
^ No, Google Forums are worthless
here is a plan of attack - http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/71908
spend 5 minutes send the DMCA to appropriate places then go enjoy something else
Forums are glorified chat boxes, legal and professional actions require documented actions. The only use of a forum ina situation like this would be to generate bad PR to force a companies hand - that isnt possible in this situation.
In the time it takes to make a forum post you can file the necessary documents and move along.
THE SITE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
- see how easy that is (smile)
keep submitting though! make sure it sticks!
I've just been along to the stie again and it seems to still be up.
All my Hubs still there. I will keep going back to check (though I hate to give Mr 68 this kind of traffic!).
Should I report each article again, or would that be overkill?
I just love the sub-title of the site: "Intelligent life on the web!" I guess that "intelligent life" is us Hubfolk!
not mine but Stacie Naczelnik hub showed up in a search.
oh the site is suspended..good!
how is this still happening?
I typed in my name and found that my articles are on there too. Isn't there a measure of security within Hubpages to protect an author's work from this?
This is a disgusting way to perform plagiarism. My stomach is turning seeing other people's content exploited. I am trying to stay on the positive side of this. Maybe it is just a linked search and will loop to Hubpages? Nope. I just tried it. It comes up in their website window.
Although, they do credit Hubpages with the content, they do not credit the page it came from or even state that this is not their websites work.
Eh, what to do now?
it depends on where you submitted DMCA's to.
If you havent yet - make sure to flood blue host email@example.com with emails, one for each instance of infringement
Duplicating your efforts to bluehost or google is probably not an effective tactic.
Geez, I almost feel neglected, lol! None of mine are there, thankfully.
It is not too late to be found. I hear the site is monitoring this thread closely.
If you read the thread from beginning, you will (1) get answers to your previous questions; (2) see that shortly after I posted at the start of the thread, I was informed that one of my hubs had also been found on the offending site.
Oh, thanks TinaAtHome! Now I don't feel so left out lol!! I did a search on my name and nothing came up, but thanks for finding it for me. Now, my turn for dcma...
Awwww... don't feel neglected. The jerk has 2 of yours:
Sorry, I know how you feel. Go file those DMCA's now.
I found 2
Humorous Poems By Sandy McCollum
Imagery Poems, New Poems by Sandy McCollum
Hey I just went to the sixtyeight site and there is a notice up that they are temporarily out of service.
btw the address of the notice:
I suppose they are just getting everything together to pay us (collectively) for the adsense money they may have received prior to Ms AKH catching them in the act... lol
Which make me think twice about posting content here at Hub Pages, if there is no chance of security...
Somehow I don't feel as bad if someone scrapes content off my own blog, I have myself to account to, but the people behind Hub Pages are benefiting from all members contributions (as is the agreement).
Perhaps some assurance from 'the house' that there is not an open door on the content here...
(just in case anyone thought to complain to the server...)
[4:44:47 PM] unfortunately someone with a bluehost has been 'scraping' content off a site that I contribute content to...HUb Pages
[4:45:06 PM] his site is down now:
[4:45:12 PM] http://box569.bluehost.com/suspended.pa … ticles.com
[4:45:41 PM] I was hoping that you do something bad to this individual for stealing my content
Cam: [4:46:06 PM] you can submit a request of this nature to the terms of service department.
[4:46:09 PM] chat here - http://tinyurl.com/4ezbwqf
[4:46:13 PM] ticket here - http://www.bluehost.com/cgi/help
FIRST TIME SALE..: [4:47:51 PM] nah...he's just going to turn up somewhere else, but fyi the 'temp out of service' message for this person (showing bluehost as server) is posted at Hub Pages...can't be overly helpful for business...a lot of upset people over there...
Cam: [4:50:12 PM] Was there anything else I can help you with
Probably me being old that made me think that the server would have a Customer Service Dept that at least pretended to be concerned.
Oh well, time to move on. (copyright 2011 me and not you dot com) lol
Here's the reply to a strongly worded demand e-mailed to 68 articles:
Hi! thank you for feed back to me-I will edit or remove articles and author-We really apologize for this problem-Please! don't report Google-sincerally thank-Team:68articles
ever since I reported a complaint about copying my hub,"how to be an antique picker," my views have jumped!
thanks for alerting me,TinaAtHome!
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