Another HubPages Clone Site?

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   eugbugposted 10 years ago

   I just came across this one, KaKun dot ru, complete with Adsense ads. Has anyone else seen this?

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      Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Send the takedown request to these emails:
      akme@selectel.ru
      support@selectel.ru
      
      Because this site is hosted in Russia, this is the correct wording to use to have the website removed from its hosting service:
      
      Pursuant to Russia Civil Code Part 4 Rights to the Results of Intellectual Activity and Means of Individualization of January 1, 2008, and of International Copyright Laws and Agreements,  this communication serves as a statement that:
      
      I am the exclusive rights holder of the copyright and the author of the articles on the following webpages:
      
      [List all of your Hub URLs]
      
      These exclusive rights are being violated by material available upon a site hosted by OOO Network of data-centers Selectel on these URLs:
      
      [List of the URLs on the plagiarist's site in the same order that you listed your Hub URLs above.]
      
      My articles appear on the site you are hosting without my knowledge or permission, in violation of Russian and International Copyright laws.
      
      This is my contact information:
      
      [Your Name, Address, Phone, email]
      
      I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described above as allegedly infringing is not authorized by me, the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
      
      I hereby request that you remove or disable access to this material as it appears on your service in as expedient a fashion as possible.
      
      Signed,
      [Your Name, exactly as you wrote it above.]
      
      Then, report the website kakrun.ru (NOT the hosting site) to AdSense on this form:
      https://support.google.com/adsense/cont … eport?rd=1

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         JessBrazposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you so much for all that information, WriterFox.
         And to you, Eugbug, for bringing this website to our attention.
         I found six of my 15 hubs on this site   I send the emails you advised, Writer, and I filled out the reporting form with Google Adsense.
         
         This is the first time this has ever happened to me.
         I hope this site gets taken down.. I wish everyone the best of luck having their work taken down.

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         LongTimeMotherposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Impressive, as always, Writer Fox.
         
         Any chance you could whip up wording for us to give power to hp for lodging complaints on behalf of individual hubbers?
         
         Or perhaps those of us who are interested could engage YOU to look after us. I'd be very happy to secure the services of Writer Fox Plagiarism Protection Inc. 

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         PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         This was incredibly helpful Writer Fox. I've filed the email with the support contacts you provided and also reported the Google AdSense abuse. We can hope with enough of us complaining that something will be done.
         Peg

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         PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Hello Writer Fox,
         I sent an email yesterday to that address and this is their response:
         
         
         
         So and so "is not located at us".
         Wish I could just write, like I came here to do.
         From the land of frustration,
         Peg

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         Patty Inglish, MSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         The support@Selectel recipient answered immediately and advised me to forward the complaint to abuse@digitalocean.com. I'm waiting for results now.
         
         Thanks!

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      RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120939
      Another site stolen over 1000 hubs since 2013. site is up and still running

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   gitachudposted 10 years ago

   Just seen it, it sure looks like a clone of HP.

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      merej99posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It sure does!  Same color schemes - same fonts - very similar format.
      wow.  The thieves are everywhere. 

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   FatFreddysCatposted 10 years ago

   I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for my articles in that site...I can't read Russian. Haha

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      bat115posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Hey FatFreddyscat, I think this is yours
      http://kakun.ru/id208608-sifi_akula_man … host_shark

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         FatFreddysCatposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Yep, that's one of mine....sonofabitch... dude probably copied the whole friggin site.

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            RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            and disabled all the comments so no one could leave one

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            awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I posted this in the other forum
            http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120914? … ost2575615
            and thought I'd post it here too.  Hopefully it will be encouraging to those who either haven't filed yet or are still waiting for an answer.
            
            I received this answer from Google in regard to ihealth website.  URL's disabled with words "dot" and "slash"
            Hello Rachael
            
            Thanks for reaching out to us.
            
            In accordance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have completed processing your infringement notice. We are in the process of disabling access to the content in question at the following URL(s):
            
            www dot i-health dot me slash 2014 slash 03slash are -patients-being-overdiagnosed dot html
            www dot i-health dot me slash 2014 slash 03 slash mystery-diagnosis-rsd-reflex dot html
            
            The content will be removed shortly.
            
            Regards,
            The Google Team
            
            So, both of awordlover's hubs have been removed, however there are still hundreds of other hub articles listed on the site.
            
            If yours is one of them and you haven't filed with Google, I urge you to do it so traffic doesn't get redirected to Aaron Wong's website.
            
            I see he is still a member of Hubpages and his account here has not been disabled.
            http://aaronwong.hubpages.com/
            
            Now if only kakun dot ru would get a response, that would be two websites where I challenged the content and won to have Google removed the content. lol

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            awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            kakun is still up and running. It is not fair. I filed a DMCA on this site too and I was told it didn't come under DMCA guidelines because of its point of origin.

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   gitachudposted 10 years ago

   You can Google translate it.

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   akhildev143posted 10 years ago

   OMG.. I think many of the hubs are stolen and republished there.. I found this one:
   
   http://kakun.ru/id160000-yavlyaetsya_bu … layn_otzyv
   
   Copied exactly from a hub by younghopes
   
   http://younghopes.hubpages.com/hub/Is-B … ine-Review

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   bat115posted 10 years ago

   Here is the contact info... I suppose
   
   http://kakun.ru/site/about

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      RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      This is ridiculous. I know it is part of being a writer to keep after all the plagarists, but people who know about HP and keep copying from here out to know better. I started another forum here http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120914#post2564613
      because Aaron Wong, a hubber on HP, copied over 195 hubs and uploaded them to his own 3 sites. 195 on health, the rest on travel. There has to be something better in place so we don't have to keep after these guys. 
      
      the kakarun.ru site you wrote about is all hubpages hubs. It has to be someone who was or is a member here doing this and they must know it is against TOS.  I'm just sick about all the copying, sorry to rant.

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         bat115posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         No, I think it's perfectly fine for any of us to rant about this!

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         Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         This person has probably never been a member. The problem is simply that HubPages has become known as a source of articles amongst spammers.   Some of them are even selling software specially to "scrape" Hubs.

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   kenyaentrepreneurposted 10 years ago

   Oh gosh, this is getting ridiculous. I'd willingly accept a slightly lower "commission" if HP was able to put someone full-time on tracking down plagiarized content.

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      LongTimeMotherposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Lol. Hello kenyaentrepreneur. I suggested this same things ages ago, but it was not a popular suggestion. I do agree with you though. I would be happy for hp to protect our work.

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   merej99posted 10 years ago

   Just a note from previous & well-informed hubbers:
   please break your link so the copied site doesn't get a back link from thru-traffic.
   They've got enough revenue off of our original content.

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      RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I have translated about 30 so far and the category HEALTH that awordlover writes in has extensive copies from HP writers,  especially those written in the last 12 months. This is one which I thought was awordlover's but really belongs to chrisjawalka.  All comments have been disabled on all the posts. They KNOW they are wrong.

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   Suzanne Dayposted 10 years ago

   Yes, well all Hubpages has to do is make a form for reporting suspicious websites with a few URL examples in it that Hubbers can use to report the issues. Then Hubpages could chase it and get it removed and monitored.
   
   It is a of a huge ongoing concern for hubbers, because not only are newbies seeing how annoying online writing can be in the forums, but authors will run away in droves if they have to do all this extra work (and sometimes not even succeed in getting duplicate websites removed).
   
   Hubpages staff, I would love to hear your thoughts on this - what can be done, what is Google doing about this issue (especially whole sites full of hubs, not just a couple of pages) - and why should we continue writing if stuff's just going to be copied all over the place, sometimes so prolifically it will be any writer's part time job just to sort it out?
   
   Is Google doing anything with authorship to establish first date of publication of a hub and be able to remove duplicate content above a certain word count based on that?

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      RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I agree 100%. Kudos to you Suzanne Day.
      I've been dealing with wordpress for the last 3 days (a different site, same issues) and I am weary. Like you said, if we have to continue doing all this extra work, and sometimes not be successful at all, then they will run away in droves.  I'm ready to wait till the next payout which should be April now that Feb and March are screwed for making threshold payout. And I'm considering closing awordlover's account since her work is stolen so much and it will eliminate one headache for me. I hate being this way but something has to be done. I like your idea!

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         Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         DO NOT DELETE YOUR HUBS OR ALL YOUR WORK WILL BE LOST FOREVER!!! Read why in my post here: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120914#post2564701
         
         Hubpages staff have bent over time and time again to help us writers, but this issue is maybe too big for them.
         
         I seriously think Google authorship is the key to establishing first publication dates etc. I think Google is the one to do it. A small word count of duplication should be allowed, for summary posts about articles as well as allowing for natural duplication by people who think the same thing (which has been known to happen!)

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            Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I can't even bear to look. I've left my content up even though I only post once in a while. I've been successful in getting individuals to take my work off their sites, but how can we fight a whole copied site?

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               Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Actually Jean, a whole copied site is easier to fight than individuals. 
               
               If every Hubber files with the site's host, they'll soon realise they have a major thief on their hands and will close the whole thing down.

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                  Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, good point!

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      Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Legally, Hubpages is unable to chase it because WE own the copyright to our articles.  Therefore a DMCA issued by HubPages has no legal authority whatsoever.  That's why it's up to us.

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         Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Oh I understand that Hubpages wouldn't be doing their own DMCA form.....I was suggesting a form for reporting the websites with multiple hubpages articles on them.....because you'd think HP would want to generally protect the site instead of having HP clones all over the web.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not quite getting it.  What would HubPages do with the form, then?
            
            Neither website hosts nor Google will take action without a legal DMCA notice.

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               Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Instead of chasing forum posts, HP could receive reports of massive article-copying websites that are portional HP clones. Then they could submit DMCA/Adsense etc etc on behalf of hubbers, instead of a hundred people having to fill out a hundred forms for 100 copied hubs.

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                  Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  PS - Actually I think it might have been you who told me about Adsense reporting too - I've been having fun with that....

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  No they couldn't.  They have no legal right to file a DMCA.  We would each still have to fill out our own individual forms.   If you're saying that HubPages should collect all those forms and submit them in a bundle, I'm not sure how that would help.

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                     Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh, I see. Submitting in a bundle will do less than people sending DMCAs on their own, so I get it. Hmmmm will have to nag people about Google authorship and the article publication date...

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      mochirajacksonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Suzanne,
      
      You are right. I've only been here 3 weeks and already Aaron Wong has stolen 3 of my articles and I am starting to reconsider whether it is worth building up a large amount of hubs if people are going to steal my work and get away with it. There should be more protection in place. In an ideal world, as soon as an article is published there should be something in place to prevent it being duplicated elsewhere to protect the author who wrote it in the first place.
      
      I write ebooks too and there are websites and torrents that are giving my ebooks away free. It gets really frustrating!

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Unfortunately, theft is a part of the net, from "innocent" people that think it is all free for the taking to master thieves that know better but don't care.
         
         As no one has ever found a method to stop copy/paste operations it isn't likely to change, either.  The best you can do is remain vigilant and aggressively protect your copyright.

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    Jodahposted 10 years ago

    It is making it so difficult for us as Hubbers, because HP doesn't allow duplication, but our work is duplicated all over the web by others. They have to do something, it's getting out of control.

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       Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Just been doing some reading. While I don't follow Matt Cutts generally, here is what Google apparently thinks of duplicate content: http://searchenginewatch.com/article/23 … r-Rankings
       
       Apparently we are still supposed to come up first in searches, regardless of duplicate content. If we don't, we are to report it here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Pw1KVO … Y/viewform
       
       Google seems to want us to live with the duplicate content.....and report it if it beats our hubs in searches.

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    lbsf1posted 10 years ago

    Is it bad that I almost want someone to steal one of my hubs. If they do then they must have thought it was worth stealing, haha
    
    And then I will do the whole DMCA request thing to get it removed.

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       bat115posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       All of your hubs are probably on that site as well!

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          lbsf1posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Nope, went through the whole guitar section on there and nothing of mine (about 80% of my hubs are about guitars).
          
          I suppose I should count myself lucky, but

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    SAM ELDERposted 10 years ago

    I speak Russian and it's just translated with automated translator of google. Text doesn't make any sense....

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       RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Use Google translate for just a few sentences. Or click Chrome add-on for whole page translation
       http://translate.google.com/

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       RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I believe this one belongs to you Sam Elder.  close up the spaces after you paste it in the search bar. I didn't want to put it in here as a link for this forum to show up in a search.
       http://  kakun  .ru/   id136703 -borodavki  _-_kakovy_  borodavki

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       FatFreddysCatposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       So the whole site is basically a big Russian word salad? Haha.
       With that in mind I wonder if it's even worth getting all bent out of shape about the site. If no one can understand it, no one's going to visit it, and eventually it'll fade away on its own.

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    LCDWriterposted 10 years ago

    The interpretation of my articles were so comical that they were so nonsensical.

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    merej99posted 10 years ago

    I was just thinking...
    
    On Amazon.com they have the Look Inside feature where you can read a portion of the book.  There is no way to copy and paste that information unless you did a screen print or re-typed everything. 
    
    I don't know what program they use but it would be inhibitive (<< is that a real word?) to a copy/paste thief.
    
    Just a thought.

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       RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Disabling copy paste methods is what they were talking about in the other forums.  Publishers and even your Shopping catalogs (Collections, Carol Wright, Lakeside Collection, etc.) often have the right click, copy paste feature disabled. I've seen it on the online catalogs a lot lately, they will have right click disabled message popup at the top to let you know. It is supposed to deter their stuff from being copied but a screen shot does the same job on catalogs. It is also supposed to frustrate the average copier. If a pro is copying our work, they can use any number of programs that get around the copy paste dilemma.

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    zsobigposted 10 years ago

    I've stopped searching on this site once I have found 10 of my hubs entirely copied - including all the copyright signs and my whole name...
    http://kakun.ru/id114092-21_prichin_poc … azhdyy_den
    Lovely, isn't it?
    
    Now I am going to try to reach everyone who could help us getting this site down asap. Even if it is not in English, this is clearly a site built upon stolen content, and we shouldn't allow this.
    I don't write and research each of my articles for days to see them copied almost instantly somewhere to the web...
    This is a huge turn-off for me. I hope HP staff will try to act to defend their site and their users's 'products'...

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       RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Please just follow Writer Fox's directions at the top of this forum. It is easy to do and if enough of us write to complain, we hope to see results. I followed his directions - he is rarely wrong! - and so did many others.
       
       I agree with you about the other points you make.
       
       I found another site this morning who copied my Princess Diana hub and left my name on it too.

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       RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       zsobig--  Is this you or another site who copied you?
       https:// groups.  google.com/  forum/#!topic/  sadgoshthi/lu5vr9R58nY

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          zsobigposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          OMG!
          Yes, it indeed is... how did you find this?!
          And this is a Google Groups site... now after all this day seeing my content stolen on tons of sites I feel like I wanna cry .

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             RachaelOhalloranposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             I took a random sentence from your hub and googled it. I do it for awordlover's work all the time and that is how I find her work has been copied all over the place.  Google your titles alot...thieves rarely change the title or if they do, they change one word.  Then click on the article, and check it anyway.

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             zsobigposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             Rachael, please, if you can, report it.
             I have already did, but I cannot include any details while reporting, I can only mark it as 'Other' (as it is not Spam, Hatred or Personal content, obviously) ... and I guess I have to start hoping Google gets it down. At least this, as most of the other sites where my content is present are still up and running .

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    LCDWriterposted 10 years ago

    That's really discouraging and it has ads.  Since it is copying multiple hubs from multiple hubbers wonder if there is any way HP can file since it's infringing on their bottom line as well....

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       awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       They are still copying hubs. The last hub I published on awordlover's account was 5 weeks ago. It was published one day later on their site.  So they are still stealing from here.
       I won't publish any more hubs on awordlover's account because of them and because I'm just tired of filing for stolen content. It isn't worth publishing good stuff anymore when you can count on it being stolen very soon after publishing it.  We are better off publishing junk posts - topics that are not  popular.

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          Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          I found 10 articles I wrote in 2011 copied and wrote to akme@selectel.ru, and support@selectel.ru to ask that they be taken down, and sent the letter Writer Fox gave us. But when I wrote to Google, my email came back. What's the correct address? Not that they will address it anyway.
          
          It's so disheartening to see work that I poured my whole heart, and considerable knowledge into, and find it copied in poor English translation, with even the same pictures and invitations to visit MY blog.
          
          I am tempted to just close my account here. There's no fun or creativity to it when you work for 5 hours to write a hub, and it is so easily stolen. I don't make any money here anymore anyway, probably because my best work has been all over the internet on stolen sites. I used to write and ask they be taken down, but Google isn't doing anything. I also don't believe Hubpages really cares that much anyway, this has been going on long, and there must be something to do to protect writers. Those forms take hours and hours to fill out, and don't often get results.
          
          In cases where I've asked individual sites to take down my work, I usually get results, but they make sure they make disparaging remarks about the quality of work (after they thought it was good enough to steal). Why can't HP just get this site shut down? All they need to do is write to the site and it's obvious it's a complete ripoff of HP.

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    Kiss andTalesposted 10 years ago

    My question is google helping the situation of stolen hubs? Do they have a way to stop the piracy .

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       Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Now the DMCA I sent to acme@selectel.ra came back saying the postmaster couldn't deliver it anyway. So both that and my message to Google that I wasted about an hour on (including my search for my stolen hubs, which I stopped at a certain point because I know there are more) were useless.

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          awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          My contact to Google is done solely through DMCA so I don't have any other way to tell you how to do it.  You did your part by trying to contact the host. The only other thing you can do is file DMCA.
          https://support.google.com/legal/troubl … 4905?hl=en
          
          Make your selections as close to your content as possible selecting WEB SEARCH first unless you know the site is listed on there, When you get to the part "What can we help you with?" I always choose "legal issue not listed" then "I found content that violates my copyright" I list that I am the agent for the copyright holder, because I am filing for awordlover as her agent, and the last screen I always click OTHER. It tells you to sign in to your Google account and use this form blue link to click on.
          
          On the DMCA form, I am so explicit it is tedious. But necessary. I file one form for each stolen hub and one sign in lets you file 10 hubs at a time or 10 people who stole it at a time, whichever you are reporting.
          
          I copy paste it all to a Word document, save it with today's date and wait 6 wks to hear back. I almost always get an email from google (removals@google.com) telling me yes or no.  Only when they email me can I click REPLY and add to my statement if for example they deny me or say they can't find the site anymore. 
          
          Good luck.

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       awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I don't see their solution as a permanent solution. Their answer is to file DMCA to have site taken down and it is only a matter of hours before they make a new account and start all over again.
       
       I got an email from google about 2 hours ago telling me they couldn't locate i-health.me that belonged to Aaron Wong (hubber) and copied over 300 of our hubs.  I posted here asking how the heck the biggest search engine in the world can't find a website that I can see. Within minutes, I deleted it because I got another email from google telling me they located the site and apologized for the earlier email.
       i-health.me is gone.
       If you had posts on i-health.me and want them taken out of Google's search, go to your URL removal on your Google page and enter the i-health URL. It will tell you the content is removed, and ask if you want the post taken out of search results. Click YES and within 24 hours it is gone.
       
       So the long answer short is DMCA does work, but it won't be long before Aaron Wong starts another site up with another name and continues to steal from us, all the time still being a Hubpages member, which I still don't understand. We have pointed out that he is stealing our content and he is still here.

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          Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          I can't even get the DMCA's to work, the postmaster never delivers them. I copied the name of the Russian site exactly as it was written down here. Same with Google.
          
          And frankly, I can't see why Hubpages won't fight to have an exact replica/ripoff of THEIR OWN SITE protected.

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             awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             DMCA is not an email. It is a webpage to fill in the info. It is at this link
             https://support.google.com/legal/troubl … 4905?hl=en
             and I wrote in the previous comment what I do to get my results. I don't get positive results every time, but they do answer most of the time.

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             awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             I'm sorry, I just realized you were talking about the Russian site when I saw the .ra tag on the end. I'm back and forth between 2 forums for stolen content.
             
             Writer Fox's directions are the correct way to go, but --- I'd file the DMCA form anyway just the way I wrote in my last comment just because the DMCA form is there to use.
             
             Let Google tell you they can't do anything or let them come back to tell you what to do. Either way, you have only an hour of your time to lose and you'll know one way or the other.

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                Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, I didn't think DMCA was a website, I've been writing here for 3 years now, and think a direct ripoff of a whole site should be addressed by Hubpages.com itself.
                
                Plus in Russian it should have been ru, not ra, my mistake. I reviewed it again, and they stole more than 20 of my articles. I feel sick. I did more DMCA's, but in the past have found them to be largely a waste of time. I wrote most of this stuff years ago, and have no interest in spending more hours to protect it than I did to research and write it (and that's saying a lot, I have a Motherpeace Tarot piece they ripped off that took me more than 10 hours to write). I think HP is just being lazy. They are just sitting there letting their whole site be ripped off. They make money from us, and should do something to protect us and their own site. We can't create if we must spend more time writing DMCA's than we do writing. And the money has gone so downhill it's not worth it to write here anymore anyway, I don't even make the minimum anymore.
                
                Google has never answered me once yet. When I do write on HP, I have a lot of trouble anyway, it's changed so much and even when I use Google Chrome I have so much difficulty resizing huge pictures it takes all the joy out of writing. It's a shame, this used to be a good site.

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                   awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   I can sympathize with the time investment for each hub.  I only moderate this account since awordlover passed away last year. All her work is written out on flash drives, it just needs to be transferred over to hubtool, add pictures, links and check to make sure her info was up to date and just that much takes me about 4 hours or more depending on how long it takes me to match appropriate photos.
                   
                   On my own account, Rachael O'Halloran, it can take me as long as 2 days to write a hub depending on how much research I have to do (I write mostly biographies) and to have it ripped off after that much time investment is maddening.  I agree with you totally.
                   
                   I don't know what HP can do to protect us short of being a gatekeeper and even that won't do any good because you don't have to have an account to see our work, and anyone can get an account here - just look at all the 4AM spammers that post in forums every night. If they get in, anyone can get in.
                   
                   I admit I thought taking over awordlover's account would be a good learning place for me to open my own account and write, but I've been spending more time on this account reporting copied content than publishing hubs. Making money and name recognition will never happen on this site or any site where our work can be copied (which is mostly all sites bec copy paste was a great invention), where we spend too much time filing to have the copied work removed so we get our traffic back and when the Google response to reporting it takes so long that you don't remember when or what you filed about because you have filed so many, so long ago.
                   
                   I can see why there are so many hubbers who divide their time with other websites to make money or gain recognition for their work and why some just leave here totally.
                   
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                      Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                      What a kind and loving thing to do, to continue posting in the name of your friend.
                      
                      I know, I've put in so many hours on some of my hubs. I realize HP may not be able to do much to help US, but it's a carbon copy of their own site that's being plagiarized, doesn't that matter?
                      
                      I tried writing on other sites to get name recognition, but never made any money on them. Online writing had passed it's hay day when I got here, but I did manage to experience the thrill of getting paid to do something I love to do, and still see that money coming in almost 3 years later--though it took more than a year for me to get paid.
                      
                      In a nutshell, that's the thing. If we spend more time filing DMCA's than writing, and I don't write here much anymore, it's not worth coming back. This site was one of the best.
                      
                      I filed a DMCA again, and this one didn't come back with a message the postmaster couldn't deliver it. I am still unsure what address to use to report acme@selectel.ru to Google.

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                         awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         Writer Fox said DMCA with Google is not the way to go with the Russian site but I filed anyway because it made me feel better than to do nothing. They get thousands of DMCA's everyday and that's why it takes 6 wks or more to get a response.  I use this link and fill out the form completely as I stated in an earlier comment with my directions on how I do it. They  haven't kicked mine out and I've been successful in over 200 take downs so far, so I guess it is done correctly. 
                         https://support.google.com/legal/troubl … 4905?hl=en
                         
                         the email I gave you :
                         removals@google.com
                         is where they email me from to tell me the status of my filing but I don't know if they answer cold emails or just replies to the emails they send out.
                         
                         Your best strategy is to use the support google link I just put above and file there. You will get an email (usually) telling you they received it.
                         Good  Luck Jean

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                            Jean Bakulaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                            Thanks awordlover. Best wishes to you too.

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    Trish_Mposted 10 years ago

    I have just found a few of my articles on kakun.ru
    What a nightmare!

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    Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

    They have just changed their hosting provider to a cloud service.  But, this time the host is located in the US!!
    
    Send your DMCA to: abuse (at) digitalocean.com
    
    Also, include this statement:
    
    These exclusive rights are being violated by material available upon a site you are hosting on this IP address: 162.243.238.39, from your servers ns1.digitalocean.com, ns2.digitalocean.com., and ns3.digitalocean.com.

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       PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Will get right on it Writer Fox. And Thanks!
       Peg

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          Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          I just submitted all of mine.
          
          Also, they did lose their AdSense account.  I also sent the notice to their new advertisement service:
          support (at) marketgid.com
          
          Please send a request to them, too.  If they lose all advertising options, they will stop.
          
          Hubbers, find your Hubs using Google translate.  The website has the exact topic pages from HubPages:
          http://      translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://kakun.ru/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://kakun.ru%26num%3D50%26newwindow%3D1%26rlz%3D1C2GGLS_enIL323%26nord%3D1%26site%3Dwebhp

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    Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

    Just received this response from the host:
    
    Thank you for submitting your abuse complaint. One of our support engineers has picked it up and assigned it to the customer in question and it will be resolved as soon as possible.
    
    Thanks so much,
    DigitalOcean

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       PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I got the same message from the Host. Thanks so much for your excellent info, Writer Fox.
       
       I also had good results upon reporting a user on Docstoc which sells professional documents. I found some of mine on there.
       ♥ Peg

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    robhamptonposted 10 years ago

    I checked out that sight, but seems I will need Google translate to figure it out. But yes, it does look exactly like hubpages. They probably just used the same platform and are doing the same thing. Maybe they call their Hubbers "Flubbers"  lol

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    Thief12posted 10 years ago

    I was browsing the site and couldn't really find one of mine. Was about to give up, but ultimately ended up finding AT LEAST 4 of mine. But considering they seem to have copied the whole website, there are probably more. So what's the procedure then?

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       robhamptonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       wow I wasn't aware of that it was a complete copy.if it is I would think that Hubpages would be able to do something  legally about it and get it shut down.  a lot of my traffic comes from overseas as well. very interesting

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          robhamptonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          On a related note, I have successfully removed 2 sites for copyright infringement so far.

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             PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

             Great job! Two down, a few to go...
             

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                robhamptonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Yep!  We need to band together and have these copied sites removed.  We've worked hard for our hubs

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    alexadryposted 10 years ago

    This happened a few years ago. A website copied hundreds of articles, basically cloning hubpages. I found several of my articles and reported the website to digitalocean.

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    Thief12posted 10 years ago

    Just sent an e-mail to digitalocean

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    Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

    The entire website is now offline.  This could be the 48-hour warning to the owner to remove the content listed in DMCA complaints, or it could be permanent.

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       alexadryposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Yup! Got this notice:  Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to kakun dot ru.

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       robhamptonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Good!  I am sick of content stealing ass holes

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          DzyMsLizzyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Thumbs-up, robhampton!  I wish there was a "like" button here in the forums, as there is for hubs and Q&A 

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             robhamptonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             It was fun to get the 2 removed,  the others just got scared when I posted all their info via whois.com

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       Thief12posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I can still see the website, and I got this reply to my e-mail, from abuse@support.digitalocean.com...
       
       "Hello,
       
       The domain reported points to 66.211.109.24 which does not appear to be an IP under our control.
       
       Thanks
       Support"

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    Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

    Kakun.ru (the thief) just changed hosting providers again. It's really important that many writers from HubPages contact the new host because that's why the previous host shut down the site.
    
    The new hosting provider is: http:// www .selectel.com and it is using the servers from Ukraine.com.ua. Both of those sites are in the Ukraine and they do NOT allow sites to host plagiarized content: "Subscriber acknowledges that at the time of signing the contract, according to him, neither the registration of the domain name nor how it is used, do not violate the intellectual property rights of third parties."
    
    Send the DMCA to:
    support (at) selectel.ru
    abuse (at) ukraine.com.ua
    
    You might mention in the emails that the site was just shut down by the previous hosting service for the same reason.
    
    Also, please file with the advertising service the plagiarist is using to unlawfully monetize your content. This is the advertiser:
    support (at) marketgid.com

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       Thief12posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Just sent another one to those two addresses.

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          Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          At this time, the new host has shut down the site.  I don't think this guy is going to give up because I think he made a lot of money from our content until we found him.  (It's not so easy to find stolen work in foreign languages!)  When he started on this last host, it was with yet another advertiser.  Slowly, he will run out of options for monetization. 
          
          Keep looking for this site to resurrect someplace, possibly with a new domain name.  One thing you can do to look for your content in foreign languages is to do an image search for your original images.

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    Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

    The site is back online.  Send DMCA requests to:
    Send the DMCA to:
    support (at) selectel.ru
    abuse (at) ukraine.com.ua
    
    Also, send a cease and desist demand and request compensation from his new advertising sponsor:
    support@recreativ.ru
    
    Remember, this site has plagiarized most of the HP site so if you have Hubs, follow the link in the post above to translate the Topics pages and find your Hubs.

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       Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       The blasted thing! When will they learn?

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       Thief12posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Another batch of emails sent.

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          Thief12posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Just an update. I got an email from selectel.ru where they said they were working on the issue. The four pirated hubs I sent in the e-mail were indeed disabled or taken from the website, but I just found a whole batch of others. I just resent the email with the new pirated hubs to see if they disable them as well.

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             Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             The site is still online with 404,000 pages of content stolen from HubPages.
             
             Plus, it has now added another advertiser.  Please send a request to the advertiser to stop monetizing your stolen content and forward all profit to you. The advertiser is a German firm and the site has an English option:
             
             info (at ) admitad.de
             
             Mention this:
             
             Pursuant to UK law, the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works (Berne Convention), the Universal Copyright Convention and US law (UCC)17 USC 512(c)(3)(A), this communication serves as a statement that:
             
             Then, just use standard DMCA notice format.

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    PegCole17posted 10 years ago

    Writer Fox says "The site is still online with 404,000 pages of content stolen from HubPages". They keep moving their content and keep getting more traffic from those of us filing DMCAs everyday to try and stop this. I have to keep going to their site, translating the language, searching for my stuff to copy the links and file DMCAs. Meanwhile, their stats are improving and mine are not.

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       Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       The link is the same no matter how many times they change the host.  The domain URL and your stolen Hubs' URLs will be the same. 
       
       Please file the DMCA!!!  If enough people don't file, the site will not be taken down.
       
       I really wish someone from HP staff would file because all of the topic and subtopic pages are on there and HP owns the copyright to them.  It would be more effective if HP would file because the site may just remove only certain pages instead of taking down the whole site.

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          DzyMsLizzyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          It is my understanding that HP does not own the copyrights to any articles on its site.  We, as writers, retain our own copyrights, hence, it is incumbent upon us to police our own work.  HP is gracious enough to provide us with alerts to save us from scouring the web on our own, but they own the copyrights to nothing save their site design and software elements with which to create the site on which our content is published.

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          PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks, Writer Fox. I was going to write a new hub today but instead I'm caught up in this mess and feeling less than inspired about publishing online right now.
          
          I'll get over it. Eventually.

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    DzyMsLizzyposted 10 years ago

    HOW in blazes would you gain traffic from someone filing DMCA's?????!!!!!  It ought to have the opposite effect.

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       PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Dzy, Is there another way to copy the link to our material other than visiting the copycat site? By viewing their blogs I am giving them traffic views.

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          DzyMsLizzyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Oh,  duh!  I see what you mean...but, the filing of the DMCA's should get the site/pages taken down, which should in turn have a dampening effect on the perpetrators.....

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    Suzanne Dayposted 10 years ago

    I just rechecked to see if my hubs were on Kakun again and found this interesting report (replace dot):
    
    http://74.125.102.99/transparencyreport … ains/kakun dot ru/
    
    Maybe don't forget to file DMCA with Google too, as well as the host, as this report will help them get some bad publicity with their hosts, all you have to do is point the hosts here when the amount of copyright infringement increases.
    
    Report DMCA to Google (click web search, then other)
    
    https://support.google.com/legal/troubl … 14905?rd=2

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       Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       PS, I also told Google that kakun was a duplication of Hubpages but it seems all they've done is file and note that bit while waiting for others to complain and prove it....

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          Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Did the site take your Hubs down?

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             Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             Good question, have just checked. No they haven't. You can't find the page by typing anything into Google, but a direct visit to the URL brings it up.
             
             I guess this is twofold. Google DMCA means they won't make any money from you, but removing the hosting means we get to punish the copier.
             
             OK have sent emails to all of the new advertising and hosting provider addresses. Including the request for compensation. Let's hope that scares him, along with everyone elses!

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                Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Mine are still there, too.  And, they are making money from your content.  Read the forum posts above for the two addresses to contact their advertisers.

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                   Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   Yes, I got both of them as well as both the hosting emails.

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                      Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                      Please note that for me, it's preferable to Google DMCA small sites because then they are removed from search and will not get organic traffic. They will sit there for years not earning anything and their owner is none the wiser and will not have to recreate their site elsewhere, causing more headaches. They won't be making money from me!
                      
                      But in the case of Kakun, it is such a big site that visitors who go on there can browse etc and that they may make money this way, even though they may not have my hubs in Google search, that's why I've joined the cause!!!

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                         Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         With 404,000 pages of content stolen from HP, can you imagine how much money this guy is making?  I notice one thing and that is that by using Google translate, the Hubs are translated in PERFECT English.  What that signifies to me is that Google translate was used to put the Hubs into Russian because nothing ever comes up in perfect English using the translate function.
                         
                         So, all he had to do was create an app to link to Google translate and another app to scrape the site and its done.  If HP isn't going to do anything about this, my guess is that the guy will just do the same thing with other languages, if he hasn't already!

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                            Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                            I suspect it might cost just a little bit of hosting money to host that many pages (can you hear the sarcasm?). He's probably making quite a bit, but not as much as HP because Google places less emphasis on duplications in search results. Anyway, we're not going to let him get away with it!

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    Suzanne Dayposted 10 years ago

    Here's a useful article I just found.
    
    http://blog.eurodns.com/users-to-benefi … le-update/
    
    It says if enough Google DMCAs are received by Google to a website, it will lower the whole site's rank accordingly. Interesting

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       Stacie Lposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I tried translating it and got a 404 error.
       Is this feature disabled now by the website?

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          Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          I just checked for my plagiarized Hubs and got the 404 error, which means my content has been removed from the website.
          
          All that shows on the site's homepage now are three ads on the top.  The reason Google translate doesn't work right now is that all of the content has been removed.
          
          That said, I don't hold my breath that this is the last time the guy will try this.  He's probably looking for a new hosting service right now!

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             awordloverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             I get the page and it goes to translate, just before it morphs into English, I get 404 error.
             Their help pages still shows me a page (of no help) and the home page still works when I click showing me all the categories.

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    Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

    Now, the site is not displaying any content.  It just has this message (in Russian): This site is under construction
    
    Which also translates:  He's not going away yet, just planning his next strategy for using the 404,000 pages of HP content he has uploaded and translated to Russian.

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       Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Well I got a message back from his hosting saying that they had emailed the abuse notice to him. So I don't know what in heck that means, but it seems to have spooked him on this particular hosting.

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          Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          The host is required to send a copy of your DMCA request to the site owner, giving him 48 hours to file an objection or to remove the content.  If he does neither, the host will take the site offline.

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             Suzanne Dayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             Looks like the ship has sank!

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