They all but accuse me of running some kind of kiddie porn dungeon, because on my hub about having 'itchy nuts', some worried '14 year olds' have questioned whether the fact they masturbate might be the cause of their itching. In the comments section.
ROFLMAO, no way, this is actually really really hilarious
lol, it kind of is. But seriously, well, I can't find the words...
The pic (below) has also been classed as being porno
I can understand that with a very warped mind, within a different context, somebody somewhere could find that sexually arousing. But please... lol
Now I so want to know what the picture was
I can understand the picture, even in the context of the hub and why they look at it that way.
The hub is still published, correct? I accessed it through Google Search. So, I am not sure what the problem is, except for the picture.
I read the comments and each of them are not shocking, considering the contents of the hub.
Children discussing their masturbation habits in your comments section is considered adult content. I'm not sure how this is confusing to you.
Well, a normal person would probably see a difference between a troubled teenager asking for advice concerning health issues, and some kind of sexually deviant literature.
Your assumption that adult content must be sexually deviant literature is incorrect. Adult content on HubPages is defined as:
* Sexually explicit writing, including descriptions of sexual acts or practices
* Nudity (including strategically covered nudity, see-through or sheer clothing, and close-ups of breasts, butts, or crotches)
* Lewd or provocative images
* Images containing the URL of sites with adult content
* Excessive profanity, or profanity in the Hub title
* Content on sexual aids, toys, or enhancements
* Fetish content or content with sexual intent
* Penis or Breast enlargement content or products
* Links to sites with any of the above
The first bullet point covers the most common violation.
So why was it stressed in the warning that the problem was '14 year olds discussing masturbation' that was the problem. Rather than masturbation full stop?
Context was deemed necessary in order to avoid confusion. It obviously failed, and for that I apologize.
(Edited: fixed typo)
It certainly did fail. The hub started out as something humorous, and then under its own steam turned into a forum for people to discuss health issues amongst themselves. So to seemingly be accused of playing host to kiddy porn literature, came across as extremely offensive.
And I've never seen it posted anywhere that visitors/commentors have to be 18+?
If that is indeed the case, and not yet another rule made up on the spot, perhaps you should think of adding one of these to every page.
What is sexually explicit about a health issue?
Your joking right? If that were true, then why are vaginal itchiness hubs allowed? Why are breast reduction or even breast cancer hubs allowed? Who says people don't get their kicks that way? Why are hubs about bras, thongs, underwear, tight fitting jeans allowed? By your standards, they are sexually explicit are they not? Hubs about dead people. That's a sexual fetish. Lots of people dream about having hanky-panky with dead people.
Oh and why are there hubs about rape? Child molestation?
Oh wait- why are there hubs featuring peoples feet allowed? What if our "misery child" starts wacking off to a picture featuring feet? It is one of the top five things that people get off with. FEET!
I know let's ban hubs about FEET!!!
See what I mean, FAILURE!
It's an ugly thing when one has lost control, and is obliviously failing at their dream.
Mrvoodoo, I can't believe you've been here two years and not learned what the definition of adult content is. People have been caught out by this time and time again, and there have been many forum threads about how stupid and old-fashioned this is, but it's just the way it is.
It's not HubPages definition, it's Google's definition and Google is a prude. Their definition centres around "naughty words", as if they were somebody's maiden aunt. If it's about sex, it's not allowed, even if it's a scholarly work.
The only reason your Hub escaped attention for so long is that HubPages didn't put so much effort into moderation before, so a lot of "non-compliant" Hubs escaped attention. Maybe their filter didn't include the comments before, I don't know.
Thank you for the lecture, Marisa. But this hub has come under moderation four times already, due to it being borderline, and them not quite being sure about it. And while it has had the ads pulled on it for some time. The hub was left published.
So having already come under such intense scrutiny, on numerous occasions, and having been left published. Surely, I could only assume that it was within HP's TOS?
Although, as you say, the problem now seems to be with the comments. And who knows what the issue of the day will be tomorrow?
I wonder if a link pertaining an immoral website, via google adsense, goes agains the tos? And what constitutes to this immorality? A provokative picture with 'beautiful Indian girls are waiting for you' at match.com, conveniently placed on the top of the page?
Seems rather hypocritical to me.
On this part of the world, we see an american girl, europian girl, in general caucasial girls (on the same ad spots). LOL, I think now I know what Google says about GeoTargeting ads.
Beautiful Indian sheep or beautiful Caucasian sheep?
Mark Ewbie likes sheep... he is a ew - be after clicking on one of my adsense links 'beautiful ew-be-sheep are barring at you at match.com'.
Incidentally, no reflection meant on the Welsh. Could have been plenty of other places. Or goats. Whatever.
ummm... so you arent fussy as long as it is female!!! lol
No where have I mentioned a preference. But this is going down the wrong avenue...
May be we all are perverts!
Thanks to you Mark.
You have successfully diverted/ (or some other ..verted the topic and OP)
I fail to be blind to your humor of sense.
OMG! Where is Paul Deeds?
He has clearly LOST control of his company.
Sad really... failure is.
Let's hope he hasn't snuck off to the toilet, to treat himself.
They won't let him back into the office should they rumble him.
You're right though. Definite FAIL.
Maybe he skipped off to another "health issue" hub to print it off first, before unleashing his load in the restroom.
Something about feet....... maybe.
lol, that cheered me up a bit. Thanks.
But still, there's no use fighting it.
It's probably time to skip off down that same highway most every other hubber has left by.
I totally agree. But as you can tell this really gets my goat. Because it's nonsense, hypocritical, crap! And you watch, tomorrow the picture I featured above will still be allowed, and with ads- and I'll have five or six hubs blacklisted without ads.
Yeah, it's subjective alright.
The only thing to do is laugh!
Glad I could cheer you up though!
Happy Rapture's Eve
It bugs me big time too.
I'm starting to believe these 'conspiracy' theories. And I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that you've had a whole bunch of hubs unpublished/disabled by tomorrow. But of course, they'll have a good concrete reason for it.
I regret the day I signed up to HP, and regret even more, that I suckered some others into joining up under me along the way. Poor Bas***ds.
Happy Rapture to you also.
See you in the funny papers.
Dunno about Paul Deeds, but Paul Edmondson is seeking things that he can barbecue "low and slow"
I thought it would be in bad taste to suggest Hubbers.
Many of whom are being barbecued low and slow at this very moment.
Dear God, man-do distribute some ointment to those poor tweens. Then deal with the clueless gang! First things first, you know...
lol, I did try. The hub in question was packed full of advice given by passing mums, doctors, etc. But unfortunately HP in their infinite wisdom decided that it's far better to let the poor sods suffer in silence. Just in case somebody somewhere was getting off over it.
Itchy balls are a big no-no. Because it's sexual.
But you can have STD's, vibrators for men, and novelty condoms up the hoo-ha. Some even with jokey comments left on them by staff members.
I wouldn't worry too much about them... I don't think they get out in the daylight very often and have lost touch with reality and.
When I wrote about a girl who thought an Itchy Fanny was a Japanese Motor Bike they almost went ballistic !
I'm not sure whether or not to laugh or be saddened. But, I'll take laughter since it's more funny than sad.
I'm torn between the two myself. I'll settle for complete disbelief.
I think they've been handing out free clown shoes at HP HQ.
If you mean have they unpublished my most trafficked hub, and the first one I ever wrote here, that's had hundreds of thousands of visits, and hundreds of comments. Simply because some pimply little teen somewhere was worried the reason his tackle was itchy, might be because he'd been playing with it a little too much. Then yes.
I guess I would delete the comment and be on my way. But, still funny though.
I was intrigued to read your Hub in its entirety, but sounds like that isn't going to be possible. Never mind You gave me a good laugh regardless
Well, over 160,000 visitors apparently got a laugh out of it. With many thanking me for making them not feel so alone. So I'm glad you got a laugh too. If not from the hub, but from this thread.
It's a shame though, that HP staff only seem to be able to see in black and white.
I had heard that too much of a certain activity makes you go blind, I just never knew it could leave you only able to see in black and white!! Who knew?
Having come across (I should imagine) worse examples, I reckon the filter (or whatever it is) should be tightened up.
Did you mean 'Come' or should it have been shorted to 'Cum' Frogdropping?
I didn't know that the comments can cause consternation. There are a few hubs onsite that relate to masturabation and oral sex techniques.
I figured they were instructional, not pornograhpic. Maybe they're on the radar, IDK.
You know RKHENRY had an issue with a hub, similar to all this. His hub was first selected for the nuggets I think, and even featured on the front face page for like a week. That's when they use to feature the hottest hubbers on the front page, and the hottest going hubs at the time. Remember?
Well they had selected his Penis, Pubic Hair or Art hub.
Needless to say- the hub had ads on it and everything for two years. Then sometime last fall, some "new" hubpages staffer pull the ads. Reason- "adult content" in his title.
I know Rolan use to be on here all the time. He use to write two or three hubs a week. I never see him anymore, do you? The hub was completely about art. It's a shame.
Heck I'll probably have hubs disabled tomorrow. It always happens. They say that another hubber flagged the hub.... I think the other hubber is another hubpages staffer.
I guess many things are subjective. Depends who reads them, their perspective. I'm supposing that on sites like this (and from Google's POV in relation to their advertisers) that the 'better safe than sorry' attitude is the safest approach?
I remember RK Henry well.
@ Mr Voodoo - the warning wouldn't work I imagine. No way of policing a reader's age. Heck I've bumped into many underage hubbers the last couple of years, and I know it states an age limit of 18 on sign-up.
Besides - what happens when you tell a teenager 'no!'?
But here is a little picture for thought,
This is from a hubpages' favorite hubber. I often use this hub, as a reminder that favoritism is very much alive and well amongst the staffers, and that quite of few of these staffers are quite hypocritical with there postings and bannings.
Now granted this is a pregnancy hub. One of those "health issue" hubs, if you get my drift. Now how in the heck is this expectable, and Mr. MV's not?
Seriously, the doll is featuring bright red tits and public hair! But.........., as they say it's subjective.
It's BS, is what it is.
Why is it adult now?
This hubber, whom I am a fond fan of has had this hub published, with ads, for more than 17 months now. He is one of your original hubbers, with nearly 1500 fans. Anyhow- Maddie and Paul I know have probably seen this hub for themselves. They are fans of his. Even that Simone chic is a fan of this hubber. So why now, and with such sudden vigor is it now not okay to have featured?
It was fine two minutes ago. It was fine 17 months ago. Now it's not? Yeah, I don't buy it. So no, I won't do it.
Sorry, but you all can go find it on your own. I'm not into witch-hunts. Only looking for a little due process and realism from you staffers.
You know- one of you thinks something is okay. Then the next day another one of you people come, and then it's not okay. Understand?
It is very clear that the Hubpages staff doesn't have a clue what the right hand is doing, anymore than they know what's happening with left hand. It didn't use to be like that. And when it wasn't like that- you all had very happy hubbers.
Now that it is all apparently subject to the hubpages' staffers individual discretion, no one is really happy here anymore. Why? Because it is incredibly unfair, and seriously flawed! That's why opinions are like a-holes. And that is exactly what us hubbers are having trouble dealing with these days. Several hubpages team staffers apparently love the image! The hub has high remarks, and comments from Hubpages Elite and staff.
Not even you staffers are happy with what's going on here. Anyone who has received an email from the hubpages team lately, can tell what the mood is like in San Fran. Your all's crossway emails, and hasty reactions speak volumes over any thing you can say or type here. Admit it, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Admit it. That's the real problem here.
Well, I can't respond without seeing the hub. I can say that I would not have left a hub with that image with ads enabled 11 months ago when we first began reviewing hubs for ads.
Can't respond without seeing the hub? Please. Why didn't Simon Simone staffer respond to the image when they fanned this hubber?
See none of you know what the other one is doing. And to think, here you are wanting to hunt this image down to disable ads, because YOU think it's adult. Well apparently your boss is okay with it. That's the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
Admit it, it's a bunch of hypocritical nonsense, and favoritism is very much alive and well here on Hubpages.
This supposed policy, is soooooooo substandard, it's laughable!
Here just in case you forgot what we are talking about- here, see it for yourself in action! Would it make it any easier if I told you that this hub is one of your own staffers hub? Better yet, maybe it's a Hubber Elite's hub. Now that would be ironic now wouldn't it? Maybe it is, maybe it's not! But it is clearly a hubpages team staff favorite!
My opinion has nothing to do with this. Advertisers are very strict about what they consider to be adult content. I'm not sure if Simone knows the full scope of what they consider to be "sensitive" content. Her job does not involve reviewing 400 hubs a day. I'm not going to respond any further on this issue until I've seen this hub.
Then I suggest you go hub hopping and look for it yourself.
Ain't she sexy?
I don't care if you respond, or not. I don't care anything about you or what you will or will not do. You.., and your activities are not high priority for me. Thanks for playing though. I'll see you around I'm sure.
But let's make no mistake about it- you're clueless on your own hubpages rules, you clearly have NO CLUE what is a health issue, and what is pornography, and because none of you staffers have a clue about what the right hand is doing over the left hand- not even YOU can do a good job at the easy task of sorting out "adult content" vs. a health issue.
That's so pitiful....
"I'm not going to respond any further on this issue until I've seen this hub."
Odd that you respond at all without reviewing the hub. Oh, wait, this is the HP, the one that flags and unpublishes, and then reviews when they get around to it. I forgot.
Just one question, if Simone is not familiar with 'the full scope of what they consider to be sensitive content', is it really wise to be allowing her to respond to so many complaints in various threads? Essentially you are 'throwing her to the wolves', because you are suggesting here that she lacks experience, therefore surely her responses may well be incorrect or contain inaccurate information!
That doesn't seem fair to me!
Oh and by the way, "thank you" for dodging all my questions. Especially the ones about why now is this image not acceptable, when two minutes ago it was ok.
Typical to say the least, very typical. Yawn.
And, you all want to know why so many good hubbers are leaving.
That's called failure.
I'm so sorry you're not getting a straight answer from HP staff. This question has been discussed many, many times on the forums before and most long-term Hubbers can tell you the answer is quite straightforward.
Google's "no adult content" rule applies to ALL Hubs about sex, whether pornographic, advice pages or serious academic works. They judge adult content by the "naughty words" that are employed,not by the context. We all think it's the dumbest rule we ever heard of, but it's the way it is. Get caught breaking the rule and you can lose your Adsense account forever.
Many of the serious sex-related Hubs published today, were unpublished at one time. The Hubber had to request a review, and agree to have the Adsense ads switched off, before they could be republished.
The rule has not changed since shortly before I joined HP, but in the early days, HP's filters weren't good at catching offenders. They did improve slightly last year some time, and there was a flood of forum posts saying "why was my Hub unpublished? It's been OK for the last x months, why is it suddenly not?". That's why I know the answer, because in those days HP staff were pretty good at answering Hubber questions.
Since Panda, moderators are examining the site more carefully, so Hubs which previously sneaked under the radar are being picked up.
Either that, or the right hand really DOES know what the left hand is doing but secretly hates itself for doing it - hence the defensiveness, patronising behaviour, ad hominem arguments and BS.
I know what their left hand is doing.
Speaking of hubbers flagging hubbers as the best means of identifying content that is objectionable, the Nazi's found this method quite useful too...in identifying Jews.
Exactly. But if you're going to claim that this is a site for over 18's only. With a straight face. Surely some minimal amount of effort or warning should have been made.
It isn't a site for over 18's at all. You just have to be over 18 to write here.
Anyways, I'm off to bed. But I'm standing by my 'clueless' statement. Ridiculous.
Unfortunately, this was human moderated.
p.s. I'll pen you back a mail, once I've calmed down a little.
Ahhh no worries Mr Voodoo.
A way back I had a hub unpublished for similar reasons (as in I think it was adult related) but the fact was it was a Google trip, picked up after (so far as I remember) by HP.
That was a head scratcher, took ages to get it sorted, no-one knew why and Google wouldn't help. Even now, if I touch that hub, the same damn thing happens - PSA's appear.
This hub had been flagged by a member of the community and moderated by me. Adult filters only disable ads, they do not take down content.
Ahhhhh that explains the filter not 'working' then. And I also thought that the filters could auto-unpublish certain content.
Yes, certain content is automatically unpublished. Duplicate content, hubs with excessive product capsules, prohibited links, and a few other violations are taken down by our bot.
It can't be working too well then, not for the ones I've seen.
As you have experienced first hand, even Google has trouble with content filters. If we make them too sensitive, they flag everything. Too lenient and they don't do enough. Filters are never going to replace readers flagging content.
Nope. I guess it's horses for courses. Human flagging vs auto-filters - both are equally flawed, just in different ways.
Any earthquakes ging on over there yet? I have a hub that's getting hammered due to the end of the world (tomorrow) and I read that earthquakes are comming.
Wait, wait, wait... You mean a HUMAN took down a hub for a comment that the author didn't make?
I'm off to ask questions about masturbation on every www. hub I can find!
I think IntimatEvolution has raised many a point, which should not be buried due to lack of awareness / or chosen ignorance by the fast-depleting pool of seasoned hubbers and the pro elitists.
I'm really amused at all this talk of topics that are not allowed, hubs that are banned because they offend someone, etc and the every increasing rules on everything.
Especially since the huge page that encourages people to sign up for hub pages screams out
"WRITE ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT"
Why can't HubPages just create some kind of barrier for adult-oriented content like YouTube and countless other websites?
Because they're far too busy programming much more important things such as accolades and contributor rankings and stuff.
Because it doesn't make them any money. HubPages is a business - why should they clutter up the showroom with products they can't make any money from?
You're mistaken. HP is making plenty of money from adult products:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-a-Vibrator- … than-a-Man
I didn't even delve very far in to find these. They were both on the hottest hubs list.
Oh look, there's Ryan Hupfer, previous HP spokesman, and Paul Deeds dad, in the comments,
See........ contradiction after contradiction. They are completely full of themselves. Favoritism and incompetence at its finest.
Still here then. I thought you'd have been banned by now.
Luckily I've found some new places to write now. On top of my own sites. The similarity between HP, Mao, and the Nazi's was drawn earlier in this thread. And who wants to be associated with that...
At least the Rapture didn't get us though. One positive.
You are invited to write on my sites. But there will be no direct money, you will get to link to your own sites - and no limits on that.
Nope, not banned as of yet. But they did take one of my accolades away. I guess I no longer contribute insightful comments in the forums anymore.
See how they work..... Their actions are spreading through out HubPages, and pretty soon it's going to be the kiss of death for this company. Why take an accolade from me? A hubber who has two accounts here, (IEsMedical) over 400 fans between the two, and 120 published hubs. I'm the perfect hubber for them. I make a little money for them, I'm careful to produce quality material and I am a strong supporter of my fellow hubbers and community. My traffic hasn't really dropped, and I've never really had to rely on HubPages traffic to get me by. My traffic comes directly from Google, Bing, and Yahoo. Ideal. Until that is- I started to allow my fingers to do some talking. Ironic.
Instead of responding in such a negative manner, a good business mind would have chosen a more wiser and business savoy path. Such as sending me a thank you letter for making them away aware of some internal staffing problems, which they seriously need to fix!
However...... they did not.
Dont be a fool my friend, your life and works depends on those accolades. To lose one is like losing a limb.
I wonder how you are going to make up for a lost one.
Perhaps you can find a replacement, or, grow another one?
Oh Sun- I've lost that one before. It's how they operate.
But it is not good business sense to keep "ticking off" decent, veteran hubbers. All of us are the real back bone of this site.
And, quite frankly we all know what happens to humans when their spine breaks. A company is just like a human. It needs to be nurtured and fed. Not reprimanded for caring.
But it is what it is....
People are such pervs. My son teaches 1st grade. The other day some guy asked him, "Won't people think you are a child molester?" He replied, "I didn't need 4 1/2 yrs of college on the Dean's List to do something so sick." What is wrong with people?
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