Why is my Hub Score High when

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  1. schoolgirlforreal profile image80
    schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years ago

    I have most of my hubs in 60 or 70's?

    Note: I'm sure this was asked before. Should I have looked it up first?

    1. Fullerman5000 profile image63
      Fullerman5000posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I wonder the same thing. I think it might have to do with how active you are by commenting, and how active you are in hubpages. Because mine would be low and even after i write some hubs will still be low but when i start reading, commenting and voting on hubs it will go higher. I not certain this is the right answer just a theory.

      1. schoolgirlforreal profile image80
        schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        cool answer. very possibly true.thx smile

      2. jloeding profile image60
        jloedingposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        This is exactly what my coach told me.  Be active in the community.

    2. liftandsoar profile image60
      liftandsoarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I have this image of wise and notable people sitting around a table reading hubs and evaluating them according to wit and usefulness and interest.  Not so?  :-)

  2. WriteAngled profile image85
    WriteAngledposted 9 years ago

    Maybe you are very active on the site.

    My hubs are currently ranging from 76 to 95 with the average score being 83, but at the time of writing I am only one point above you in personal score.

    To be honest, though, the more I look at the scores, the more meaningless they seem to be. Hub scores bear no relation to the total or current number of views, but move up and down randomly. Average hub score bears little relation to the fluctuation of my personal score.

    Unless someone actually draws attention to the system, as you have in this thread, I no longer take any notice of it. The only relevant factor is how much I do or do not earn from the hubs. There is little point in getting wound up about a totally non-transparent and artificial scoring system. smile

    1. schoolgirlforreal profile image80
      schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      hmm yeah.
      I want to make $. In my whole time only $42 not sure why.
      Also since hub scores etc don't matter, how will I know even by comments if my certain hubs could make a best seller? just a thought. LOL

      1. MonetteforJack profile image80
        MonetteforJackposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        That's strange ... You mean to say you earned $42 from the time you joined until present?  You have a lot of following and your accolades state that you are read more than 10k!

        1. WriteAngled profile image85
          WriteAngledposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          The CPM can be well under one dollar for those not favoured by the Hub Gods.

          1. schoolgirlforreal profile image80
            schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            cpm? I know sorta what that is. sad really...most of my good hubs are on religion and mental health...so the 'hub gods' dictate cpm?

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              cpm is how much you earn divided by the number of visits times 1000.  It is the earnings per 1000 views.

              Reports that religion has a very low earning rate - no one clicks.  On the other hand health has a very high earning rate per 1000 views; the problem is getting those views as the competition is stiff because of the high cpm.

      2. relache profile image75
        relacheposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        If you want to make money, then you might want to consider making that the focus of your time on the site instead of the social aspects here.

        How to tell a good Hub?  They tend to rank in the 80s and 90s, turn up in Google searches on the first or second page and get good amounts of traffic.  They also tend to not be about religion (that pays lousy).  For mental health issues, better Hubs would most likely be less subjective and more objective.

        If you don't know why your earnings are so low, it means you need to take the time to learn why, or all this advice probably isn't going to help.

  3. Howard S. profile image90
    Howard S.posted 9 years ago

    Fullerman has the basically right answer for Hubber score (what the OP called Hub score).

    The answer WriteAngled gave about the meaninglessness of individual hub scores was  true until quite recently--the past month or so. It is my impression that the algorithm is now much more sensitive to:

    1) the acceleration or deceleration of page views and comments others make

    2) best practices in hub layout that have been promoted in response to Panda

    Whether either of these scores has any bearing on earnings is beyond my purview.

  4. WriteAngled profile image85
    WriteAngledposted 9 years ago

    That is still not my experience, Howard.

    Hubs with hardly any views in the last day or so, and with some of the smallest numbers of total views ever, often sit at top of scoreboard.

    A hub with many views daily, relatively frequent comments, and accounting for nearly half of my total views since I started on HP, is sometimes near the top, but often much further down.

    Incidentally, daily views on this hub can show a far greater percent variation than views on any of my other hubs. However, this hub never shows either red or blue arrows. Other hubs start showing arrows even when there has been practically no change in views.

    Average hub score can rise by 2-3 points and this rise might never be reflected in my hubber score. In fact, I have seen my hubber score drop by 2-3 points during such a rise in average hub score!

    What is more, some hubs on a secondary account of mine, written in the same writing style, with the same layout and same density of Amazon capsules as used on my main account, covering a variety of topics, on average score 20 points less than hubs on my main account. It seems they are either being penalised by co-existing on an account with some sales hubs, or because the account holder is not active on forums etc.

    Also, and more fundamentally, the quality of a hub surely depends on its content (and layout if you insist), and thus is constant until the content (and/or layout) is changed in some way. Therefore, the fact any one of my hubs can vary in score from 75 to 95 at any given time is further evidence that hub score is not quality-related, but only views-related.   

    To equate quality with whether a hub happens to get views or not is one of the most absurd theses I have ever heard.

    A poorly written hub covering a topic searched for by many people will always be guaranteed a high score, while a well written hub on an abstruse subject may well find itself constantly in the doldrums.

    From all the above, I cannot accept that an individual hub score has anything whatsoever to do with the quality of that individual hub. 

    I was also interested see that a hubber with a collection of less than 50 hubs scoring between 59 and 90, most ranging in the 70s, has a personal hubber score of 100. My 23 hubs currently range between 73 and 92, most in the 80s, but my score is 95. This hubber also does not seem to be particularly active on the forums. Does this not imply that hubber scores are equally farcical?

    Non-transparent "brownie point" systems based on unstated and secret parameters are totally unhelpful. It is impossible to act on them because they provide no meaningful information. Hence I just ignore them.

    1. QuestionMaster profile image82
      QuestionMasterposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Non-transparent "brownie point" systems based on unstated and secret parameters are totally unhelpful. It is impossible to act on them because they provide no meaningful information. Hence I just ignore them.


    2. Howard S. profile image90
      Howard S.posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      WriteAngled, thanks for providing those examples. I will think on them in relation to hubs on my accounts that I don't yet understand. I don't expect to report back here, but may write a hub someday. The problem is that the algorithm is dynamic--it's always changing and ahead of us.

      I want to affirm that we are in agreement that Hubber score and average hub score bear no relation to each other. This is contrary to what is stated in the FAQ. The FAQ hasn't kept up-to-date with the algorithm.

  5. 2uesday profile image73
    2uesdayposted 9 years ago

    Since I had a Christmas hub as my top hubscore in the middle of the summer - when it had no views (maybe 1or 2) I pay no attention to the scores on my hubpages. If they all dropped below 50 I might start getting puzzled and try to do something about it but apart from that I see no point in them.

  6. schoolgirlforreal profile image80
    schoolgirlforrealposted 9 years ago

    I know alot of my low ranking hubs are either poetry or whimsical stuff (not many words like more than 200) that I wrote early on. My best hubs, well I know what they are. Should I unpublish the weak, unworthy ones? lol smile

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Good question, and one not easily answered.  In many cases non-performing hubs will take off after months or years of languishing and bring in some traffic.  Others will never be read by anyone.

      I removed a few of mine when we got the subdomains, but less than a half dozen.  I've kept a couple that I like even though they get no views just because I like them.  My feeling is that I will wait for a few more months and re-evaluate the non-performers, giving them a chance in the subdomain.

    2. K9keystrokes profile image90
      K9keystrokesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You know Schoolgirl, I consolidated a few hubs that were short in words and getting minor to no traffic, and made one hub out of them. Since the topic was poetry it was an easy change. Not long after making this revision I did see a rise on the overall hub score average. The average will always be higher if you can eliminate the lowest countable factors. These weak hubs are now seeing traffic and some (tiny) revenue upswing. This change did take place after the sub-domain change, so I feel the information offered by Howard and other strong hubbers here truly has merit. Cheers!

  7. WriteAngled profile image85
    WriteAngledposted 9 years ago

    CPM is what you get paid per 1000 impressions. I have seen it vary from $0.75 to $11.50, but recently only at the lower end of the scale.

  8. Howard S. profile image90
    Howard S.posted 9 years ago

    My advice:

    1) Move the sub-par hubs to your blondey subdomain. Starting with those that use little but text capsules will make it easier. If any can be consolidated as @K9keystrokes suggested, this is the time to do it, but don't force them. Turn on HubPage Ad Program for blondey subdomain so that you will earn for page views rather than for clicks. Consider doing more of your social interaction here in order to build readership.

    2) Turn off HubPage Ad Program for schoolgirlforreal subdomain. This is the AdSense environment that @wilderness is describing, i.e. where ad clicks count. Step (1) will reduce the number of low hub scores in this subdomain, as @K9keystrokes suggested.

    Don't give up the faith. My wife writes about Christianity, social issues and politics. She earns ten times what I do with only twice the number of hubs. It can be done.

  9. chablis345 profile image60
    chablis345posted 9 years ago

    I am a relative newcomer to hub pages but my hub scores seems to range in the 70's to 80's, and am slightly confused with 'sub domains'. I am not sure just how money is made as so far I have not made a bean but enjoy the writing anyway and hope that others will like my hubs for the entertainment/information value.

    1. 2uesday profile image73
      2uesdayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Nice high score on your profile and 70's and 80's mean your hubs are well into the do-follow for search engines, so I think it might just be a case of early days.  Just wanted to say welcome and it  looks like you are making a good start.

      P.S. Do n't forget to sign up for Hubpages ads scheme or Adsense or both so when the results start to happen you will get paid.

      1. chablis345 profile image60
        chablis345posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Thanks for the advice 2uesday.  I will do as you suggest and hopefully some time in the future will see some results!


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