The Art of sockpuppeting on HubPages - how to do it effectively?

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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago

I am very interested to figure out the psychosis that creates this thing called sockpuppeting. Do you have any idea. In case you don't know that there are laws that prevent it -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
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  LindaSmith1posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What does this have to do with hub pages though?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  'You have a child and he has become a killer of the masses - I am sure you have not the least responsibility.' ~Adolf Hitler to his Father
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
The Hand That Controls the Sock Puppet Could Get Slapped - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/techn … wanted=all
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 12 years ago
Hello...another interesting topic that I neither understand nor can really contribute to; however, i would like to leave a comment so as to easier follow those who do. '
Thanks,
Thomas
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Greekgeekposted 12 years ago
It's the vain hope that people will like you more if they see people liking you. And/or it may make your argument or page seem more convincing, if there's "other people" taking your side.

Alas, the Shill is an old and hoary tradition; it's just that with the internet, people can shill themselves.

If one wanted to be charitable, one could liken sock puppeting to the street performer's practice of putting a few coins in the hat they set on the sidewalk, because people are far, far more likely to add coins to a hat with coins in it than an empty one. Human psychology is funny that way. However, I find the busker's habit of leaving a few coins out to get things started far less irritating than people pretending to be their own fans or supporters. The latter feels more like manipulation, due to the impersonation.

I've also seen the sock puppet approach used far too often as a substitute for persuasive and logical argument, which is irritating, or for ganging up on another member, which is mean-spirited and unjust.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "I've also seen the sock puppet approach used far too often as a substitute for persuasive and logical argument, which is irritating, or for ganging up on another member, which is mean-spirited and unjust."
  
  -Very true...
  
  How to stop that?
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  Greekgeekposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We continue to call out, ban, and ridicule sock puppets for being cowards. We continue to point out that it discredits anything they say.
  
  Remember, most forum moderators have tools to help them detect sock puppets. There are ways (I say vaguely, having been on sock puppet patrol for years as a moderator on other sites). Report and flag suspected sock puppets, so that admins can take a look and intervene as needed.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Greekgeek, good reply.
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Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago
I have to say that my owner gives me pretty much a free rein.

I don't have to support him much except when he gets into a silly argument on the politics forum. Then I need to be a right winger for a while which is a little distasteful but that's what being someones sockie entails.

Funny thing is that he has never supported me in any of my arguments and that definitely is mean spirited.

Anyway, can't stop, he wants to me to go round his Facebook stuff Liking a load of things. Busy, busy, busy.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very good solution to prevent sockpuppeting ...
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Emile Rposted 12 years ago
I see people get called sock puppets quite often. I don't know if they are, or aren't. It seems as if the fastest way to get accused of being one is to have a disagreement on the religion or political forums; because, I guess, the thought of anyone disagreeing is unfathomable. Only a sock puppet would dare do it.

I've been accused of being one. I don't think I am. Is the sock always aware of the hand?
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  MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, they are usually aware that they are arguing with themselves or hiding behind an alternative screen name because they don't want to use their real one to post.
  
  That's what we are talking about when we say sock puppet right?
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You mean you think people actually argue with themselves on the forums? That would be the definition of boredom.
  
  I will say that there are a few here I would breath a sigh of relief to find out they were sock puppets attempting to make the other side of the argument look bad, but I've seen crazier; so you never know.
  
  I was joking with my last question. I think I'd be aware of a hand shoved up far enough to move my mouth. Although, it might come in handy from time to time. It might have the foresight to close my mouth before I shoved my foot in it. I'm still struggling to learn how to do that on my own.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  *smiles* I swear to God I wasn't being sarcastic. I know that's rare for me, but I really mean it this time. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something in my understanding...
  
  As far as foot-in-mouth disorder, I must share that I am a long-time sufferer... Those who love me overlook it because I am such an awesome person otherwise.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It seems that by definition, the sock puppet is created to support the puppeteer as opposed to just being another userid created by an existing member.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If it is a SP created to argue a point (purposely badly) that is contrary to original accounts view or to say things that the original account holder wouldn't, then I am lumping them in with the SP label. In short, if you created an account to become a "persona" separate than yourself specifically for use in forums, then you, by my definition, are a SP.
  
  I wasn't talking about you baby, you know I love you. And I think you would say the same things with your main account.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and I think by definition, that wouldn't really qualify as a SP as it does not support the puppeteer.
  
  Only if you actually supported yourself would you be a SP.
  
  Absolutely. Consistency is the art of deception.
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Cagsilposted 12 years ago
A knowledge exchange in how to effectively sock puppet haunting of the forums? WOW! I've now seen it all.
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
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Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago
I don't need a puppetmaster, I make as ass of myself without any help whatsoever.
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 12 years ago
Greekgeek...

Yours is a detailed knowledge of sock puppetry that has filled my coffers on this subject! It seems rather a lot of work just to get someone to like you...or get them to 'appear' to like you. I guess I prefer my "me" time over my "popular" time. Thank you for the schooling!
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  homesteadboundposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  but we like you anyway!
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dungeonraiderposted 12 years ago
One of my favorite games, League of Legends, has a trailer outtakes with a sock puppet in it. Since that is obviously sock puppet related, a link should be in order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6CRamuAkXc

Anybody that is arguing in their favor on the forums with dual accounts needs to play more games, it's much funner!
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paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago
I have been thinking about doing the sock-puppet thing for a long, long time. I know I would be damn, damn good at it...
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
Impersonating Another Person Online is Now a Punishable Crime in California – Penal Code Section 528.5

"Impersonating another individual online is punishable as a misdemeanor offense that may bring with it a sentence of up to 1 year in county jail and a maximum fine of $1,000. The new law also permits victims to pursue civil claims against the impersonator for monetary relief."

http://www.southerncaliforniadefenseblo … et_crimes/

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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 … l-networks
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
"But the effort is amusing as well, for there is absolutely no need to spend millions of dollars to create fake identities online. Any child or troll can do it for free. Millions do. If the government insists on paying, it can use salesforce.com to monitor and join in chats. There is no shortage of social management tools marketers are using to find and mollify or drown out complainers. There's no shortage of social-media gurus, either.

Tools are quite unnecessary, though. Just get yourself a fake email account, Uncle Sam, and you can create and manage anonymous and pseudonymous identities across most any social service."

-Jeff Jarvis
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 17 March 2011 13.08 GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … sy-spammer
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
Those intelligent people must shutter their mouths, who do not understand the gravity of the matter.
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Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago
Where's an unintelligent sock puppet when you need one?

Oh, I'm here.

Sorry, I forgot which ID I was using.

In some ways the sockie and master relationship could be viewed as the ying and yank of modern internet culture. Although, did not Shakespeare himself refer to the art in the Alas poor Sockie speech?

Re. the military operating sockies. Fantastic. Now the playing field is level. I didn't want to take them on while they were using guns, but a false account is right up my street.

As regards the sock thing generally. Surely if you don't use your real name on the net then you are immediately a sockie?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You got it fatalistically wrong. You can have as many accounts here on hubpages, or on any website. You become a sockpuppet only when you use them on a single thread, making it appear as if they are all different people?
  
  Well Mark Ewbie, this thing is indeed very casual unless its happening on you. I have no mind to get a psychosis, or have any legal procedure on me - otherwise I could very well make you understand what is sockpuppeting.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I know it can be very irritating if you are the target. Unfortunately, making it clear it is very irritating means it will continue to happen - such is the way of some people.
  
  The internet is a great place for the bully, sneak and coward to thrive - total anonymity. But without anonymity we place ourselves in real physical danger - because there are silent watchers and stalkers too.
  
  Telling people online you are going on holiday? You are telling potential burglars too? Posting pictures of your children? Let's not dwell on that.
  
  Back to sock puppets. By necessity we are all an element of false for our protection. Being allowed this anonymity means others can abuse it.
  
  I find that not being bothered about the sockie problem helps me cope with it. So what if there's an internet argument somewhere? It's not really very important. There will be plenty more tomorrow.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are still in haze. Use whatever picture you want, or whatever ip-address you want, and get a psychosis or schizophrenia - I have no problem; but don't abuse others with it. You can very well detect the abuse, can't you Mark? Can't you feel when someone is avoiding reason and still talking back drivel on you? That's a simple indication that's it's either a sockpuppet, or he has constipation or something else.
  
  I had a teacher, who told me once - that if you escape a place for a problem, the next day you will find the same problem where you escaped. Escaping does not help.
  
  Do check this post - to the last - this man caught a sockpuppet in public - http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/85441
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I checked it. I had already briefly noticed it - someone upset someone else on the forums or a Hub page.
  
  My reason for being here, mostly, is not to get involved in forum stuff. It is a waste of time. I am here to write stuff.
  
  If I hit a thread 'problem' it is not a big deal. Why waste time on it? My view, or theirs, is not really very important.
  
  If someone leaves a nasty comment on a Hub Page I can delete it.
  
  It's possible to get deeply involved and hurt by forum stuff. Much better to ignore it, rise above it, move on.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I don't think that's quite right. My understanding is that you can have as many accounts as you like on HubPages, but you must choose ONE of those accounts as your main identity, which you then use when participating in the Forums. You're not supposed to swap around from thread to thread.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, thanks. Yes, that's correct. But the actual problem-creator is when someone comes on a single thread with multiple accounts. The only intention it has at that time - is to manipulate.
  
  By the way, if someone uses multiple sim-cards, or fake 'ip-address generator softwares', then they can easily violate these fragile rules.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Of course that's true, but one can only feel sorry for anyone who goes to those lengths to create sockpuppets - clearly they don't have a life, if that's what they have to do for amusement. They usually end up either getting banned one way or the other, anyway.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very well said!
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "Of course that's true, but one can only feel sorry for anyone who goes to those lengths to create sockpuppets"
  
  -But the problem is, I have seen some people on HubPages, just doing that. Should feel sorry for them?
  
  In 2010, Raphael Golb was convicted on 30 of 31 counts, including identity theft, criminal impersonation, and aggravated harassment, for using multiple sockpuppet accounts to attack and impersonate historians he perceived as rivals of his father, Norman Golb.
  
  I feel the government made those laws by mistake...they should have left the matter on compassion and charity
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, if all they're doing is being stupid. And every time you see them harassing or attacking another Hubber, you hit the "Report" button. Simple.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What allegations can you report to the moderators? Can you explain? Can you explain these terms- ' harassing or attacking'?
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Harass: To subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation, or to make repeated small-scale attacks on a person.
  
  Attack: To set upon with violent force, or to criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.
  
  If you see anyone harassing or attacking on these forums, you simply hit the "report" button on the offending post and complete the screen that appears.
  
  A HubPages staff member will then read the post.
  
  If the staff member agrees with you, the offender will be banned from these forums for some time. If it is their first offence, the ban will be only for a few days. If they are a repeat offender, the ban will be longer and may even be permanent.
  
  If the staff member does not agree with you, no action will be taken.
  
  I observe that you take offence easily, and as a result you risk being found guilty of harassing or attacking yourself! I advise you to cool down and be more moderate in your language to avoid being subject to a ban.
  
  I have been here for 4 years and I can assure you that the people you are accusing of being sock puppets are nothing of the kind. People like WriteAngled and Cagsil are well-respected writers here and you will not endear yourself to the community by attacking them. The use of a pseudonym or screen name does not, in itself, indicate that someone is a sockpuppet.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, Marisa, the thing is, I never start a dispute. If I say anything, it's a reaction. Tell me nice things, I will tell nice things. I will never get banned - because I never start anything myself that can lead to such a consequence. I never play a game that I do not know the rules of. I do not lose. If I ever sink, I will take everyone with me.
  
  Please quote when did I say those two people you mentioned are sockpuppets? When? Please quote.
  
  'Well-respected writers' is a subjective term. When did I attack such honorable men? Please define what do you mean by 'community'; and please elaborate the ways that someone can get 'loved' by that 'community'. I am indeed interested.
  
  Thanks.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Here is one example. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/87169?p … ost1869226
  
  See above.
  
  You are either being deliberately obtuse or your knowledge of English is worse than I thought. Please look these words up in a dictionary, they are very simple basic terms.
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  GeneralHowitzerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks a lot Marisa your words are useful... now I know...
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
Well, Mark, that's one way to deal with it. It's called passive-acceptance or evil. I am not telling you are one. But that's what it is. Thanks for your time here.

One thing for you, you might have missed this one-

Impersonating Another Person Online is Now a Punishable Crime in California – Penal Code Section 528.5

"Impersonating another individual online is punishable as a misdemeanor offense that may bring with it a sentence of up to 1 year in county jail and a maximum fine of $1,000. The new law also permits victims to pursue civil claims against the impersonator for monetary relief."

http://www.southerncaliforniadefenseblo … et_crimes/
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. To my knowledge there is no Mark Ewbie anywhere on the planet. That's why I chose it.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ...so sure?
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Positive.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  One should be...
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
U.S. legal implications of sockpuppeting

1) In 2008, 49-year-old Missouri resident Lori Drew was prosecuted and convicted in Los Angeles for creating a MySpace account on which she claimed to be a 16-year-old boy named Josh Evans.

2) In 2010, Raphael Golb was convicted on 30 of 31 counts, including identity theft, criminal impersonation, and aggravated harassment, for using multiple sockpuppet accounts to attack and impersonate historians he perceived as rivals of his father, Norman Golb.

Do you want more?
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aguasilver posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

Evolution Guy, you are ONLY ever here to cause disruption, and you are very good at doing that, I grant you, but whatever anyone posted it would only be met with ghetto speak of inane comments, so why bother?

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/84324
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
Wesman Todd Shaw posted 3 weeks ago

This "Evolution Guy" - I see the exact same typical cowards on ever website - it's so easy to hide behind a fake name and avatar and spout ridiculous hatred all the time.

I'm Wesman Todd Shaw.

I live at 9919 County Road 158
Kaufman, Texas.

"Evolution Guy" is a pathetic coward with no intellectual ability whatsoever - most probably that person is a paid propaganda poster.

"He" doesn't write hubs - "he" only exists on this site to cause trouble, and make a general ass of himself.

What a coward!

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/84324
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logic,commonsenseposted 12 years ago
As long as the sockpuppeting is done in the privacy of the home between 2 or more consenting adults, I see no harm in it!
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Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago
I just tried this sock puppet thing with last nights socks.

Words of advice, use clean socks my fingers and hands have a funk going on right now.

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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What about going to a neurologist for some relief? Some folks dread to go to the doctor; but a brave soul like you will not I guess.
  
  ...Those birds fly high
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  dungeonraiderposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I saw an ad recently that portrayed a health care system being downed by various competitors in sock puppet fashion. I was ready to dismiss this topic until I thought about it a bit more.
  
  Someone selling, say, designer socks, could join hubpages and become an authority on designer socks. Then somebody could take a dislike to them and discredit them via sock-puppetry. (I'm trying to keep it light, still).
  
  It wouldn't be funny to the person being discredited and thereby potentially losing sales? Maybe it's a stretch, but I guess sock-puppetry could be more than just fun and games, and indeed, harmful.
  
  No offense, Phenom. But you're cryptic style, at least on this topic, left me, and probably others, scratching our heads for a bit. Carry on. (HP will soon be the leading authority on sock-puppetry, me thinks).
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well dungeonraider, I am only cryptic-style to those only who are not clear themselves. I am very fine with friendly.
  
  You are right; that's the point. This sockpuppet thing is not funny indeed. If it were, the US government had not had created laws against sockpuppeting.
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MelissaBarrettposted 12 years ago
Once again, wouldn't it be ironic if the person talking out so fervently about sock puppets was one of at least two sock puppets created at about the same time and belonging to an older account? That would be HILARIOUS.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are you an astrologer?
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PhenomWriterposted 12 years ago
1) PhenomWriter posted 24 hours ago
What is that F , you said in IDGAF ? - such a civilized and religious-minded lady...shah...you have a sinner!

2) MelissaBarrett posted 24 hours ago
LMAO, aren't you cute? You haven't even cut your troll baby teeth yet.

3) PhenomWriter posted 24 hours
F rr u s trated??

4) MelissaBarrett posted 24 hours ago

ROTFLMFAO...

You betcha...

You are truly the master.

5) PhenomWriter posted 24 hours ago

Does ROTFLMFAO mean this? - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p … fid=210272
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Such a sivilized and relisious lady...huhu..holla?? - http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/87179#post1868110
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Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago
Many of our Founding fathers produced pamphlets under different names. This sockpuppetry phenomenon has been going on for years.

Me thinks a huge global conspiracy is being exposed, right here on HP's little forums. A historical moment for sure
WTFC's?

Something for you to add to your urban dictionary!!
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You take too much time to gain consciousness from a blow
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a sexual innuendo? I do not appreciate it
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  MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  LMFAO... That was FAF.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is F is what you teach those kids? ...indeed, a relisious and holy teacher ...start a business, you will run it well.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I taught my daughter F just the other day! She can write it and everything!
  
  Thanks for asking.
  
  So, avoiding the sock puppet accusation are you? Wonder why that is? Could it be because you don't want your MAIN to get anymore slack than it already does?
  
  Anyway, I'm off to my first of four thanksgiving dinners this week. Thats a lot of effing turkey.
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I just noticed the 100. Congrats.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Teach that F properly, she may get better than you writing that
  
  When did I create such an F-lady account here
  
  ...you went out of my hand, and you have now even a daughter?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  an innocent man thinks and speaks like an innocent man
  
  Thanks for those kind words...you give me evidence
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Innocent? HaHa I ain't innocent , but you got no proof otherwise so
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Such an honorable man the vulture is
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  WTF are you even talking about?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Eat your F
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Juggalo Justice! HaHaHa when Your down with the clowns all you need is your hatchet and your Faygo. P* off to the haters F* off to the racists.
  
  IDC!!!!! MMFWCH!!!!! You want my couch? You can't have my couch. Now get on the table I need your tippie tippie toes. HahaHaHa
  
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are so innocent and kind-hearted
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, I am a wicked hatchet wielding M*F*ing Juggalo. Whoop Whoop!!
  
  I's a going chicken hunting HaHaHa!!!
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Angry??
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WriteAngledposted 12 years ago
What confuses me about this whole thread is that Phenomwriter is obvious a sockpuppet his/her-self.

As to what the US government does or does not legislate about the matter, I really could not give a toss. Hard as it may be for Yanks to accept, the US does NOT dictate to the rest of the world.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Prove that I am a sockpuppet, otherwise drop your words. How dare you say that. Who knows you are not a sockpuppet?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are becoming boring...
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How come?
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The intensity of your response, with the bolded fonts, makes me even more certain my guess was correct and you are a sockpuppet.
  
  As for me, I am not a sockpuppet. A true photograph of me is displayed. If you follow the + link on my profile, you will access my real name.
  
  In case you cannot be bothered, my name is Krys Williams. I am a freelance translator and book indexer, resident in Treorci Wales, providing my services through the company Tehuti Knowledge Services Ltd www.tehuti.co.uk
  
  Unlike you, I have nothing to hide.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My name is Bill Gates, and I live in Washington, and I am a Marxist theologist by profession. I work here- www.theastrologycompany.com/ .
  
  Unlike you, I have nothing to hide.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So you are accusing me of lying...
  
  Seems typical sockpuppet behaviour to diss others while hiding behind an alter-ego of a supposed "poet" who seems to know nothing of poetic conventions.
  
  And yes, I am a published poet, although not in English. In Esperanto, under my previous name of Krys Ungar with a collection called Meznokto Metropola.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "So you are accusing me of lying..." -Just drop that drivel. NOW
  
  "Seems typical sockpuppet behaviour to diss others while hiding behind an alter-ego of a supposed "poet" who seems to know nothing of poetic conventions."
  
  -I may be a supposed poet, dear lady WriteAngled, but it's clear that you are a scoundrel, for you freely accuse a person without any evidence.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  With respect to your mastery of otherwise of the genre of poetry, I'm sure every reader will be able to reach his or her own opinion on the matter.
  
  Your forum behaviour is typical of a sockpuppet in my experience. You can, of course, readily disprove that by revealing your identity. If, on the other hand, you are unwilling to reveal your true identity, you cannot complain if people challenge you.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "With respect to your mastery of otherwise of the genre of poetry, I'm sure every reader will be able to reach his or her own opinion on the matter."
  
  -Please keep your subjective opinion about my work, to yourself. If you don't, I will tear down your each filthy hub here, and analyze them in public.
  
  "Your forum behaviour is typical of a sockpuppet in my experience. You can, of course, readily disprove that by revealing your identity."
  
  -Your forum behaviour, dear lady WriteAngled, is like that of a little-girl who did not get food for a week from his father, in my experience.
  
  -Please reveal your identity first. I have severe doubts about your existence here.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  As I said in my previous response, each reader has the opportunity to reach his/her own decision about your "poetry". I have reached mine.
  Unlike you, I have indeed revealed my identity, on this very thread. I am Krys Williams, resident of Treorci in Wales, sole director and sole employee of Tehuti Knowledge Services Ltd, freelance translator and book indexer.
  
  You are getting tedious in the extreme.
  
  You are totally free to your opinion about my hubs. I look at the comments and the $, which is quite enough for my satisfaction.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "You are totally free to your opinion about my hubs. I look at the comments and the $, which is quite enough for my satisfaction."
  
  -If you know that, then please have the knowledge that I do the same; but unlike you, who seek a few dollars, all my hubs are non commercial.
  
  (A woman who knows the subjectivity of literature, should have thought twice before saying this- "alter-ego of a supposed "poet" who seems to know nothing of poetic conventions")
  
  My name is Bill Gates, and I live in Washington, and I am a Marxist theologist by profession. I work here- http://www.theastrologycompany.com/
  
  Next time you ask anything- first give me your moblile number, email id, social security number, the number of your car; I will check.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What then is your opinion of the life and contribution to humanity of Camilo Torres?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know what is an 'internet troll'? Please provide me- your moblile number, email id, social security number, the number of your car; I will check.
  
  -If you don't - then you are a sockpuppet.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
  starting to sound like some seeriouss cyber stalking going on here eh?
  
  Nah he is jus building a holiday card list.
  
  Oh, yuh think so?
  
  ya think theyll call da cops
  
  I dunno maybe?
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  skyfireposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh look we have Troll with bill gates name in astrology profession. No wonder tarrot reading is so effed up these days
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  and we have a rascal here...
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  skyfireposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You're being too modest.
  
  Oh wait, troll finally attacks
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Don't go under the bridge!!
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Such rascality
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  FloraBreenRobisonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I love this cute dog. Thanks for posting it.
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Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago
I want my sh*t and I ain't gonna die till I get it!!!!!
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2uesdayposted 12 years ago
PhenomWriter are you or are you not Tanmoy Acharya?

I ask as you seem to know a lot about the forum posts he made and you both like red text.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very good astrology 2uesday. I saw what happened to him. Did you? oh...yes...red text was only that Tanmoy's property...
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  2uesdayposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  More than that - I do not need a crystal ball.
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  2uesdayposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What did happen to him? I think I was off line.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't you?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Many astrologers can ever predict by reading your email. I met a few of them. Nice to see you are one of them 2uesday.
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 12 years ago
Oh it's a sad day when reasoned debate about sock puppetry dissolves into an unseemly exchange of charges and counter charges...
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Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago
This whole thread is a waste of space.
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  i liked your Sex. I. response above - good for a chuckle this a.m......thanks for that!
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nice Kitty...
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  FloraBreenRobisonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I LOVE CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a cutie.
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WriteAngledposted 12 years ago
Furthermore, do you think Ernesto Cardenal was true or not to his priestly vocation by accepting the position of Minister of Culture within the Sandinista government?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know what is an 'internet troll'? Please give me- your moblile number, email id, social security number, the number of your car; I will check.
  
  -If you don't - then you are a sockpuppet.
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WriteAngledposted 12 years ago
Provide me with yours first, and then I may consider obliging.

I have a contact form on my company web site for email.

As for my car, even I don't remember the number

BTW, what do you as a Marxist theologian think of the fact that Catholic priests may become members of the Communist Party of Cuba?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you are not willing to give yours - then why will I? You sound just like a typical coward-ghetto sockpuppet. You smell from the whole...shah...nasty
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you already have the ability to email me should you wish, so that is one point to me and nil to you.
  
  I am surprised you are not willing to enter discourse on the subject of your academic interests.
  
  We can discuss astrology as well if you wish. I state in advance that I am of the Liz Green/Howard Sasportas school.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't discuss with sockpuppets.
  
  You too, can email me in my company website. Please write the subject 'Contacting Bill'. That's all.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But, isn't that what you've been doing?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  When they come like scoundrels without a single evidence...
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For someone who appears somewhat intelligent and most of the time rational, it's ironic that you don't see the irrationality of your own actions, which has been shown by you throughout this entire thread, including your OP.
  
  *palm to face and shakes head side to side*
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Show me one...I will check...
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You're arguing from the sock puppet position to begin with. The only thing you've done is manage to dig the hole you're already standing in deeper.
  
  Yes, sock puppets are used in the forums. They are used to circumvent the banning process.
  
  You're sitting in the exact same seat as you are arguing against. You have managed to distract many people from the original OP, at this point in time, but you're making yourself look worse.
  
  The topic "Hubpages Knowledge Exchange" is about exchanging knowledge. Sock puppet information isn't actually adding knowledge to the community considering most of the community knows what a sock puppet is to begin with.
  
  Your sub-topic, Hubpages, the Community? Yes, sock puppets play a part in the overall community. And what you're discussing or attempting to discuss has been discussed a number of time. It's usually when people have had their ego hurt by one...do they open threads like this.
  
  How to do sock puppet posting effectively? Well, you've managed to do a very good job up to this point. Is your next statement to me going to be...ARE YOU REAL?
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I remember those posts. Who the heck was that guy anyway?
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "Tanmoy Acharya", Never mind...
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are you REAL Paradigmsearch?
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only for the next 130 days...
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you have anything wrong with this post, then do complain to the moderators. I believe you do not own this website. But you behave otherwise.
  
  You have any evidence that I am a sockpuppet? Please show them, otherwise drop these subjective intuitions of yours; because the way you are speaking is very often indicative of a borderline psycho.
  
  ...your reasons were frail prejudices...sorry for your subjectivity...please keep them to yourself...or two young ladies comforting a psycho??
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry to say, that's exactly my reaction. You seem to have some kind of axe to grind, PhenomWriter, but it's difficult to work out what it is. You have a strange style of writing which makes it hard to understand what point you're trying to make. Perhaps you're not a native English speaker?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What I want to convey is clearly understood by those that I am intending to.
  
  Whether someone is native or not is irrelevant here. Speak on the subject.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, I note there is no Bill at "The Astrology Company", which is run by Bob Mulligan, who seems to be making no claims to expertise in Marxist theology.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I told you to email me. Please paste your entire website info here, first. I will consider later.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Another interesting subject would be that of the Berrigan brothers and the transformation of Jesuits from upholders of the Inquisition to radical thinkers.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Remind me never to argue with you on any subject.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  AWWWWWWWW!!!!!! Why not??????????????? *sulk*
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I was just reading though your responses to the, er, fellow Hubber and thinking what a strong set of points.
  
  The only way of defeating such argument would be to deploy my best sockie.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Website info??
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Scroll up the thread, my web site is posted.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  mine is too
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am to bed now - unless you give me your moblile number, email id, social security number, the number of your car - you are a ghetto sockpuppet
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Illegal!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Serious Cyber Stalking!!!
  
  FELONY!!
  
  Tsk, Tsk!
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, a site belonging to a Bob Mulligan, astrologer is posted.
  
  Of course, if you are Bob Mulligan, you have the option to prove this here and now.
  
  If you are not, I believe impersonation by false pretences is an actionable offence.
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  like you sockpuppet?? read the legal actions I can take against you. F??
  
  "my name is Krys Williams" -If you are not, I believe impersonation by false pretences is an actionable offence.
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Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago
Apropos of Sweet F All.

How long should a poem be?
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Depends if you want to use a specific form or be free, Mar
  I like sonnets, rondelles and villanelles, and my ambition is to master the cynghanedd in Welsh....
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have never climbed it.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You may find it adamantly alliterative if you do...
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh THAT cynghanedd.
  
  I wandered lowly as a crowd....
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That seeks to reason why, and fails...
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  OK. I have vacuuming to do. Otherwise I'd be glad to banter poetry related material with you all day.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, well, I follow the doctrine of the late lamented Quentin Crisp
  
  "after the first year the dust really doesn't get any worse"
  
  QC also gave us the immortal words of wisdom:
  
  "Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag them down to your level. It's cheaper."
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for that quote. I loved QC.
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 12 years ago
OK...As this has become tedious...how does one 'unfollow' a forum thread? I have to Un-follow an entire category?? Great. Just great...
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Thought,
  
  Go here: http://hubpages.com/my/activity/topics-following
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  homesteadboundposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You can go to the top of this forum and click unfollow right here on this page.
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 12 years ago
Cagsil...you are awesome!
Thanks.
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Jason Marovichposted 12 years ago
@Phenom - If you ever sink you will take everyone with you? Where did you ever learn of such a homicidal reasoning?
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  PhenomWriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's not 'homicidal reasoning' - it's called the consequence of deliberately suppressing truth. I will not do anything...it will happen. I learnt this thing from experience. Nice that you dared to ask...
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