To all atheists: what if I asked God for the winning lotto numbers and He said 13, 8, 28, 18, 2, 48
and you won, will you believe in Him OR will you say it was luck, coincidence and rigged
How did you receive this numbers? And no. Your probability of winning with any set of numbers is practically zero, no matter how you got them, yet eventially someone wins. Just a freak coincidence.
But will you take a leap of faith and gamble that these numbers may be Devine? If yes, deep down you believe in Him; if not, you truly are atheist. The answer to my question is hidden in your conscience for that is where God and the devil reside.
Nope, you just had a lucky bout of themporary insanity.
How, exactly, does God tell you the winning lottery numbers? And how do you prove it's God who gave them to you? You can't, so your lottery win is just dumb luck.
First The heavenly Father does not work that way, he loves all his creations, why would he allow some to be rich, and some to be poor and suffer. Because the answer is it is not is system of things , it is satans.
Besides numbers and lottery goes with the subject and worship of the god of good luck
Isa 65:11But you, you that leave Jehovah, you that forget my sacred mountain, you that set a table for Lady Luck and fill mixed bowls for Destiny,
That is what they do today call numbers destin to come out.
And what do they say the words good luck.
You see people give worship to deities and don't even know it.
wait, why would God allow some to be rich and others poor and suffer?! Is that sarcasm?! genuinely confused by your statement
Abdus I have grown adults most parents want what is good for their children, I do
But when it comes to your religious conviction , My children belong to God, they must make the truth and relationship with him on their own, love is not forced .
To sparta, that's a good thing, because I certainly do not want to think like the world
The world has been contaminated by greed, hate ,crime , moral breakdowns, no respect for others, no love,
brain be washed!
most greed, hate crimes , moral breakdowns etc have been caused by religion....
To sparta I never said religion did not cause the problems , as said in my many comments, but we individually are responsible for our own actions , that like saying all people evil, but we know that is not true.
You dont like to think like the world, when the majority believes in christianity, followed by islam, then judism. The world is thinking and taking the same god in 3 ways and parts. Im pretty sure that is thinking like the world
Example on the Island of BorneoThere are 50 new ones since 2003
A fact before that time and year no one knew certain species existed , So they are not recognize until they see one.
The reality is they were always there or existing.
GOD the same.
I would be as inclined to believe in God as I would that I would go on to be in a plane crash and end up on an island with Jack, Kate, and Charlie.
Seriously though, I would assume that the numbers came from something else in your mind, maybe ones that stood out to you without even knowing it. Or that you just picked them at random while convincing yourself it was God. Either way, I would chalk it up to a massive and lucky coincidence.
No, I would believe it to be a coincidence. Eventually someone wins. Unless he came down and was like "sup here are the numbers" and numerous upon numerous people are there to witness the event I believe it to be completely coincidental.
"Religion is a black and white canvis, except that canvis had a monkey throw different colored paints at it until it is unrecognizable as a canvis."
That is wisdom :-)
Perhaps religion is a superstitious fantasy.
You obviously see no issue with the fact you believe everything good/coincidental is god.
Perhaps the media has led you to your beliefs? Thus the thoughts you hold are not entirely your own?
Yep, what about ALL the other people who DID NOT win that lottery? Did God just not care about those people because YOU are so special?
The media in america is so godsentric, it is impossible to escape god here. It is so ingrained in american politics, media, and life. I was not turned off by any of this, I have gone to churches and enjoy the passion.
Here is a small article that I have written entitled the 'The Proof of God' that I am yet to publish as part of my forthcoming book. I look forward to your critique.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5ClZ … GdISkVLV2c
Nobody is going to read your links. Most people won't even allow them.
Whether you read it in secret or not, is between you and your Lord.
Belleart the point is money is a perishable , no garentee of having it your liftime, but the
Natural things we can be sure of the sun , moon stars, rain, these grow our food by seasons, plants release Oygen for breathing.
All These Are Faithful.
Kiss and Tales: Money is a social construct, it is perishable Il give you that, but so is religion. And the natural things you have named are not faithful, they are logical, scientific and have a purpose.
Belleart humans can not out live the sun , and moon and stars, all things that benifit us keep living, when we even as humans
Who are scientists can only live from generation until a new one arrives. And unless you go and be educated this is limite
Kiss and Tale: There is no need to call me uneducated for an opinion I am fully educated on but simply differs from your own, however I still don't see how the sun and the moon are faithful things just because they'l outlast generations of people.
First off, how would I win, if YOU asked your god for the numbers? Your sentence structure is grammatically incorrect. I suspect you meant to ask, "What if an atheist asked god for the winning lotto number and he said, ....."
The biggest problem here is that an atheist would never ask a god or gods for anything! He doesn't exist. And secondly, this so-called god or gods couldn't answer because he doesn't exist.
So, your question is just nonsense to an atheist.
I've never understood why people would ask God for the lotto numbers. Surely, if he exists, he has MUCH MUCH MUCH better things to worry about than increasing your financial wealth.
Then again, I've never understood why people would pray to pass a maths test, to make their gay children straight (can't fix what ain't broken), for a new job, a new car, money, getting people out of jail who are in there cause they broke the law etc.
Surely, with the war, famine, poverty, abuse, rape, murder etc in the world - the fickle problems of a few people who aren't happy with what they have would be the least of His worries. Yet, it seems to be in the forefront of many believer's mind (NOT all, but quite a number of the more fanatically against everything else type believer (eg against gay marriage cause..."God" but happy to pray for the lotto numbers....) seem to be).
I don't believe in God, therefore I would never ask Him (or her) for that matter the Lotto numbers. And should a spiritual God type being ever present themselves to me, with the Lotto number, I'd still never follow them - a God willing to overlook child abuse etc in favour of the lotto numbers isn't worth following.
This guy is trying to rationalize a belief in god just to prove something to himself. Lottery numbers are Not proof of god, of course. But this superstitious person thinks it would somehow convince people that god exists.
The irrational concept of ones own personal experience with god being sufficient enough evidence to prove his existence is why we can't move forward as a society.
I would not say such a thing if I did not know this to be true. You do not know how I know this. Maybe you will figure it out one day ,but for now I know the truth.
To be clear, God has not given me the lottery numbers, the question I have posed is hypothetical. The point I am making is that even if God gave you the winning lottery numbers, after I asking Him, you still will not believe. You'll find logical reasons to not believe whilst ignoring the likelihood and mathematical odds of such coincidences. The coincidence being: asking God for the lottery numbers and He providing.
"You cannot guide whom you like, but [it is] God [Who] guides whomever He will, and He knows best those who will be guided". [Quran 28:56]
Wow. You can make yourself believe in anything, can't you? What you are saying is that your god does whatever he wants to do to you and you are just thanking him for coincidences.
I thank Him because I am a grateful slave. You are ungrateful, perhaps due to arrogance?
I prefer to think I am not a slave and that I am intelligent enough to know the difference between fact and fantasy. The lottery? Of course - wishful thinking just like "praying" (wishing) for luck and a god's favor. Wishing is fantasy and false hope
Not everything is black or white; sometimes things are grey. Rumi was once a very logical guy, until one-day he met Shams Tabrizi. Shams Tabrizi threw Rumi's books in the water, but the pages remained dry. That's how Rumi, became Rumi.
Religion is a black and white canvis, except that canvis had a monkey throw different colored paints at it until it is unrecognizable as a canvis.
Rumi was a 12th Century Sufi Mystic, philosopher and poet. His the best-selling poet in the U.S.
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201404 … lling-poet
Nope, never heard of Rumi. And just because he's sold a few poetry books, how does that make him an authority on the gods?
Rumi is not an authority on God, his views are merely opinions. The Muslim world, unlike the Catholic Church in Rome, does not have a Pope governing the religion. The Muslim world has the Quran and Hadith (books) which are accessible to all.
Abdus, you say if 'God' shows up on TV, we should know it's actually the Devil and not God, but if he cheats the lottery and gives you the winning numbers in private, then it's really God and not the Devil? Can you not see any problem with that?
@Chasmac within your conscious it is difficult to know whether it is the devil or God that is inspiring thought. The only way to know is to try and consult your conscience. My Hub on Taqwa may explain things.
So, Abdus, if you know the difference between god and the devil, why don't you clue everybody in so they won't be confused any more?
@Austinstar I rely on the wisdom of others to help me shape my opinions for I do not know whether I am being inspired Allah or the devil. I hope God is merciful towards me.
Yea that is funny when I read about the spider woman of the dream catcher According to the Anishinabe people, the Spider Woman used to travel around all the time, to visit cradles of the newborn babies. She had the power to weave magical webs
What if God gave you those numbers and you DIDN'T win? Would you stop believing in him?
If I didn’t win, I’d consider those numbers came from me; but if I did win, I’d consider it came from God because He decreed.
This is why lotteries make so much money from gullible people.
If you believe those winning numbers came from God, you'd also be forced to conclude that God cheated the lottery by giving them to you.
I know God would not give me the winning lottery numbers because that would be cheating and since God does not lie he would not cheat.
Are you giving me the winning numbers in this scenario or are you suggesting god is speaking to me directly? If you gave me winning lottery numbers, I'd give you the credit, not god. And if I heard a voice from the sky that gave me winning lottery numbers, I'd wonder where that voice came from, why it gave me those numbers, and a whole lot of other questions. An atheist isn't determined to disprove god, they're just hungry for answers. And, were a deity to appear before us, we would scrutinize it with the same level of skepticism as we do religion.
Once is an anomaly. Twice is a coincidence. Thrice is a trend. Fource(???) is a possible pattern.
I'd only raise an eyebrow if "God" gave you the winning numbers at least four times in a row with absolutely zero duds.
Maybe if "god" showed up on television and predicted the winning numbers every time (for all to see), then I might start to run some experiments on this entity to see if it was a true manifestation.
When the anti-Christ appears and claims to be God, and flies around on TV like Superman, only then perhaps you will believe. But, that kind of belief is what will damn your soul. My advice, when you see 'god' on the TV, know that to be the devil.
Maybe if "god" existed at all, I would believe it.
If God actually existed, then our job as moral citizens is to track it down and kill it for the countless atrocities it has committed.
Morals? You only have morals & ethics because of religion. Your morals are dictated to you by ancient old religions, unless of course; your morals are flexible whereby incest & pedophilia is acceptable to you, otherwise, what's to say it's wr
How are Hindus and Buddhists perceived? Are they Moral? Priests are the ones most likely to commit pedophilia, and Christians are more likely to commit incest. Muslims are more likely to behead children. Your "God" is the most immoral of all.
Morality comes from the societal comstructs of the time. MAyins thought it was moral to rip hearts out. That was their construct, slavery was legal, but we see it as wrong. But wait a second, i know a few religious texts that endorse it.
Religion did not invent morality or ethics. Most people would come up with these standards on their own. I am a living creature, I do not want to die. Murder is wrong. I need resources to survive, I do not want to lose them. Theft is wrong. Etc etc
Oh, don't worry, Abdus. The Bible also advocates slavery, and as a bonus, it also supports genocide and rape!
So does that mean God did wrong allowing you to exist , why should people listen to people who benifit from all the good things and never say anything good about that.
But only the doom and gloom you train yourself to have.
Oh Massa god, thank You and not evolution for ALLOWING me to exist! Please don't strike me dead Massa, suh. I just want to PLEASE you! On my knees yassuh.
Your humor is only funny to you, So is your belief in the spider woman mabe, she can save.
it's not meant to be funny. You are the one making me laugh. You are such a tragic creature. Spider woman going to come bite you in your sleep hahahahahahahaha
What's funny is you believe in that and never seen a spider woman, but you make fun of others who have their own beliefs.
I dont make fun of others beliefs. I just deal with ignorance with sarcasm. It isnt my fault some people refuse to look at the world with a open mind. If everybody thought alittle more critically wed get our answers faster
You thinking that I believe in spider woman is just ONE of the things you have made up in your head. I do Not believe in ANY supernatural superstitious nonsense. Now get that through your head if you are able to.
John you are correct you do not make fun of beliefs , my comment was meant for another, I used your comment space .sorry for the mix up.
John you are correct you do not make fun of , my comment was meant for another.
I hardly think atheists play lottery. We do not believe in luck. Most atheists are advocates of Chaos Theory(including myself). A lottery winning combination doesn't prove God's existence in the same way "a universe tailor-made for humans" doesn't prove an intelligent designer.
No one was counting the number of failed attempts.
I am atheist, i love playing scratch offs and would like to win some cash perchance
John, apparently, all you need to do to win the lottery is just to ask god for the right numbers! Go for it and let us know if it works....
How could i be so foolish the answer was so obviously right in front of me this whole time
Absolutely! Abdus GAVE us the right numbers in the question! HE must be god!
Not sure whether to construe your comments as either blasphemy or progress? At-least your warming to the idea of a God of sorts, albeit a man or spirit.
Blasphemy! I have the t-shirt too. I loathe and totally disrespect any sort of cult or religion. Live with it.
I have my going straight to eternal hellfire express card ready. Because obviously I do it just because I am trying to rebel, but deep down i still know it to be true.
By the way. I don't believe in a god or gods. Or hell either. But you are welcome to join the atheist haters club of america or even the world. Oh wait, you already belong, don't you?
I guess our values are different.
"But do not revile those [beings] whom they invoke instead of God, lest they revile God out of spite, and in ignorance: for goodly indeed have We made their own doings appear..." [Q6:108]
Just for clarification I dont either. I just think it is hilarious how completely oblivious this guy is.
John, you are correct. He is oblivious. I'm so sad that religious indoctrination is still happening in the world. Someday, we will overcome this form of child abuse and wake up to Life, the Universe, & Everything!
Like I said, Atheism is much like any other religion. You two are seeking comfort in each other to reinforce your own beliefs. Or maybe your undergoing cognitive dissonance? Dunno.
Religion.....by definition requires believing in a god and the worship of that god or gods. This is the definition of religion. Not only is atheism a lack of belief in a god. But it lacks the terms to be constituted a religion at all it isnt one
Abdus, you are rather delusional. Atheism is not a religion. No matter how many times you try to convince yourself. Enjoy your fantasy.
I dont see very many atheists finding comfort in their lack of belief in a diety. That sounds rather presumptuous dont you think. How would we find comfort in the lack of anything?
Abdussalaam: I am an agnostic but trust me when I say I would like nothing better than a loving god.
I would also like a gold plated Audi, a personal beach and Kate Upton.
So when I ask which one is more likely, will you come visit me at my beach?
Perhaps we are all agnostic with an inclination towards either belief or disbelief in a Devine? For even the Prophets didn't really truly believe until they saw, for seeing is believing. Ihsan is to worship Allah as though you can see Him.
I would have to say that since the bible has a number of verses concerning money, and none of them speak about getting unearned wealth, I can say if you hear God telling you winning lottery numbers, it is probably not God who is giving them to you. Money can destroy a person and have them ignore the teachings of the Bible. If you require winning the lottery to believe in God, you'll never be a true believer.
Valid point :-) I believe in destiny and how your wealth is determined at birth, but you must still graft for your bread in a dignified manner without cheating nor stealing.
I agree with everything you said, but wealth being determined at birth. In the United States many people have been born into poverty and become wealthy.
Wealth comes from God,according to the bible
read Deuteronomy 8:17,18 don't attribute what God does, to anyone, or anything else
As D.T Dremer aptly put it, Atheists aren't determined to disprove god or any religion, I don't categorize the way I see the world, but I also don't follow any religion, for good reason, but I don't go about trying to get people to believe that how I see the world is correct, yet many a religious person (family included) has tried to get me to see why religion and god is real. Why cant we all just be happy in our own beliefs and not shove it on other peoples faces?! Why should people who believe in god be so determined to spread that belief?
And why are you so determined to to try to get us to see the logic behind your question when 1; asking a deity for lotto numbers is extremely selfish and narcissistic, and 2: you could have asked for something actually impressive, like solving a worldwide issue which would be hard to ignore if it were suddenly granted?
Maybe instead of trying to prove that people who don't believe in religion are illogical because they don't adhere and live by a book written by people thousands of years ago (which is oppressive, sexist, un-accepting of difference and appears to be pretty hypocritical) , just be content knowing that you find solace in it yourself. By asking questions like this you are only opening yourself up to criticism about a belief you hold, and what good is that doing anyone?
Your family are only trying to save your soul because they believe in an afterlife and want you to be in a heaven. But once you reach adulthood, your family can no longer influence your beliefs unless God wills.
My argument is that people should be happy and content in their own beliefs and not force it on anybody else, regardless of family ties, we should be content in knowing that we all see the world differently.
Fair enough. I am saying you can't force anyone to believe even if you tried.
The point is as a loving parent we love ours
to the best of our ability, not being partial,
The example in comparison is we all living enjoy the sun moon, stars, scenery, companiondhip, and animals , this planet has gifts to us. People are blinded
I am not an atheist, but I will answer your question with a question.
Why would an atheist ask anything of a God he does not believe in?
In the hope that a Devine being can do anything one asks of Him?
Belleart , example you have two daughters say a year apart, would you feed one child and not the other if you really loved both the same., would you by one clothes an not the Other What about health , would you take care of one in sickness not other
but how is that possible hahaha ? if "God" came down form heaven and gave me superpowers, would i believe in him? yes. But thats never going to happen :S.....
Apparently the only God available to answer this question is the one in the "Bible". Maybe your God isn't the same one in the "Bible" The Christian American Populace so desperately clings too. I'm sure that will offend some. But so many are closed to the possibility that what they believe may in fact not be the way it actually turns out. In any case consider this. 450 Billion Planets (Not mentioned in the Bible) have been discovered by man to date that could possibly support life. And 7 Billion people on this planet. So I say if God is in fact talking to you and giving you lottery numbers out of order and you believe that they are in fact the path to your happiness, then drop that $1, buy that ticket, then come back and tell us how it worked out. But I have an open mind. I hope you win, because that would be pretty awesome. Good Luck.
The thing is God does not take you down a, one way street to bless you, when he gives you a gift it is yours and no doubt he gave it. I here of stories of lottery winners more bad stories behind the winnings then good.
False friends fake relatives.
I offer this to all... What is truly amazing and perhaps revelationary is that God is the reason you breathe and He is enabling you to survive or even die and either become "close" to Him or not. It will always be your decision not His.
Perhaps if you could convince Him that is, the "Great Author from Above" that you have indeed discerned His objectives and you would offer all inclusive of your very life He would allow you this ungodly amount of money and you would donate all of it to His cause not unlike the Christ. If indeed you believe the Christ is the Son of God and Christ is God's manifested presence on earth, it would seem you must do His work without this significant cash-flow and give rather than receive. God is not a communist or capitalist these are our manifestations.
Then I'd have to say you're either a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur or very wealthy..
Don't go behind the money which is not yours either you'll surely not get it or you won't know realize the worth of that money
Then Mara why did Jesus tell his deciples to sell their belongings and follow him.
Mt 19:24 Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.”
Satan gives too. Math 4:9
I'm not an Atheist, nor a Christian, but the bible says wealth comes from God
God stated it is He who gives wealth
17 And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth.
18 But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
that was a different time under different circumstances.
True he has rewarded some with wealth, like King David , his son Solomon, but they sat on thrones that represented him
thrones of Governments now belong to satan. Mt 4:8-10 , tells
God spoke it and it is for everlasting..Only God gives wealth, and it shouldn't be attributed to Saten-that's blasphemy
Mara By Scripture did satan offer all kingdoms and glories to Jesus?
Mt 4:9And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.”
Verse Luke 4: 6 says and I give it to whomever I wish.
Talk is cheap, anyone can offer anyone anything, but Satan produced nothing.and he couldn't have..Wealth comes come God
Atheists do not believe in God and a lottery win however it occurred would not act as 'proof'.
The only way people would be convinced is if he appeared.
For atheists there is no reason to believe in God because there is no indication that he exists. However, there are many indications that he doesn't exist.
Religion is too bigger departure from logic for some people to bear but on the whole atheists do respect other people's rights to believe in whatever they wish.
For a start - I think that if you believe in God it would be totally inappropriate to ask Him for winning lottery numbers and that he wouldn't comply with a self-centred materialistic request. If he would then everybody would be giving it a go!! Secondly, it is impossible to predict the outcome of the lottery, so if you did attempt to gain divine intervention it would be pure coincidence if you actually won. Thirdly, many religious think gambling is reprehensible so if you are religious perhaps you shouldn't be entering the lottery.
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