There is actually almost no information about where chimpanzees (our closest genetic match--closer than a zebra and a horse!) evolved from. Pre-human remains are few and far between, and few paleontologists agree on dates and species that led to us.
While there is some truth to this statement, I also think it somewhat mis-leading. While they do say that all of the pre-historic humanoid remains found thus far would hardly fill the back of a pickup truck, to say that this is "almost no" information would be similar to saying there is "almost no information" given by a compass other than the direction of north.
I think most paleantologists (and almost more importantly now geneticists) at least agree that we share common ancestry with the chimpanzee (the direction of north) though the exact mapping of the entire tree may never be fully established with certainty.
Sorry for the vagueness of my reply--from my sources ("The Human Odyssey" by Tattersall, and Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything")
"For the first 99.99999 percent of our history as organisms, we were in the same ancestral line as chimpanzees. Virtually nothing is known about the prehistory of chimpanzees, but whatever they were, we were."
Australopithecines emerged from the tropical forests of Africa 7 million years ago and entered the Savannah--this is the first differentiation from ape to the biped that we are today. There is no agreement on whether we evolved in a linear fashion from apes or if several biped lines emerged and homo sapiens--because of our large brains--were able to survive for the greatest duration. We are poor fossilizing material and have not lived long enough--only a few million years--to leave a good trail of fossils to study. The geographic locations of fossils confounds things even further. A lot more could be said about this.
I hope that clears things up further--yes we evolved from chimps, no I don't need a statement from a "certified pre-human" (what is that anyway??) confirming that--but our knowledge of the specifics of our own evolution is hazy at best.
Did an ape boink the human mother? lol Oh that is just sick. lol We don't have a common ancestor, just common traits unless you know what our common ancestor evolved from... that would be something good to know.
Oh but the possibility that it was a human... never!!!
Precisely! Good point on a very misunderstood difference.
I found this in that regard:
"Comparisons of DNA show that our closest living relatives are the ape species of Africa, and most studies by geneticists show that chimpanzees and humans are more closely related to each other than either is to gorillas. However, it must be stressed that humans did not evolve from living chimpanzees. Rather, our species and chimpanzees are both the descendants of a common ancestor that was distinct from other African apes. This common ancestor is thought to have existed in the Pliocene between 5 and 8 million years ago, based on the estimated rates of genetic change. Both of our species have since undergone 5 to 8 million years of evolution after this split of the two lineages. Using the fossil record, scientists attempt to reconstruct the evolution from this common ancestor through the series of early human species to today's modern human species."
My understanding of what people theorize is that if you look at the evolution of organisms we all come from some original batch of something that would eventually evolve into a bunch of other somethings that would eventually lead to what we are now.
You can imagine each type of something (mammals, fishes, birds, etc) all being their own branch steaming off of this original something. These main branches, for the most part, still exist - but the smaller branches on these branches have gone extinct and whatnot. So I think what scientists say with much certainty is that we on the same branch as chimps, other apes, and monkeys.
I was sitting here pondering, that why in the world would monkeys be the first thing on the planet? Who put them here? Did they magically appear? Who did they evolve from a fly? I thought vegetation was the first thing placed on the planet? So if this were true then wouldn't we have all evolved from plants? But then who did the plants evolve from? I myself can not comprehend how we as humans, with so much complexity, could have evolved from anything. just my thoughts.
The monkey evolved from the same root animal that humans evolved from. We deed not evolve from apes that has been gotten wrong for many years. Apes and humans evolved in parallel lines from the same creature. I was watching a PBS special last night that shows that most animal life evolved from creatures emerging during the Cambrian Explosion.
They evolved from earlier animals. Although there is evidence building that the Cambrian explosion was no more or less "explosive," than previous or later eras. The best argument I have heard is that the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere that had built up by that time had reached the point where it was possible for larger, more complex animals to evolve.
So you do not teach them anything? Sounds like a good approach.
I am not really interested in playing this game any further. The first time you asked this question I thought you were actually looking for an answer. If you wish to educate yourself, I suggest a decent library - there is no shortage of information out there.
I am interested. You have no clue what I am thinking. Unless you have ESP. I want to know what the first animal, creature, or other wise was that we evolved from? I am not being a smart_ss. I know what I believe. I do not need proof. Though at one time in my life, I did not believe a _amn thing, because everyone new everything, there was know need to ask any more questions. So eventually I begin again to ask myself questions and research, about the unknown. And I decided for myself that, I was going to take a leap of faith, and believe in something that I could not see, and now I have never been, happier in all my miserable life.
and further more, don't answer, because there is know reasoning in your proof. You on the other hand, come in to forums, and provoke others with your "intelligence," Not even thinking that what you are doing is the same _amn thing they are doing.
Good I am glad, that you can honestly say I do not know. But yes I did read it. But even if we only became aware 35,000 years ago when art began, there still stands to reason, where we all evolved from originally. That is all I am asking. Thanks mark
And I question, the whole theroy that we did become aware 35,000 years ago. Because if this were the case then why would we, hurt someone else, just because they hurt us. When if it hurt us. Why would we want another to feel the same?
Also I am a question hound, I sometimes don't think people think deep enough and long enough on what they believe or what they say, or do. So I like to, arouse people to dig deep.
Nothing wrong if that is your sort of thing. I enjoy lifting others up, and tearing them down, if I see they are tearing another down, in hopes that they may see, that when they hurt another it just comes back to them. because I care for humanity.
All life started from once cell creatures about 3.75 billion years ago. I don't remember and couldn't spell the name of creatures. The Cambrian Explosion occurred about a a half billion years ago and just about all present life can trace genetics back to that event. Changes in the planet and life's continual effort to improve itself through natural selection and evolution created the variations from the Cambrian Explosion including the variation called humanity.
I don't know I'm just thinking. I enjoy thinking on things. But who knows. I defiantly do not want to start another argument. Bye Mark and thanks, I always enjoy talking with you, even when sometimes, I feel like you are trying to make me annoyed.
Seen it all before. Not just from the Quoran. The bible has hundreds of mathematical and other "proofs" as well. You start from the closed position of being a zealot, then organize so called "proof" to suit. Weak to the point of anemia.
I neither know nor care if there are writers who could write the sura or anything else that comes from religious tomes. It is a long way from evidence that your god, your religion is any different to the hundreds of others who are also 100% right in their view!
All the Islamic terrorists are mercenaries backed by Freemasons. These terrorists are not even Muslims as their dead bodies were being found uncircumcized. May be they are those who are affected by credit crunch in Europe, America and Australia and lost their jobs, so Freemasons and members of Bones and Skulls like BUSH gave them the job of killing and butchering instead.
Can you give us.... even one credible link to justify your stupid allegations... I gotta ignore fundamentalists like you...... no point...when all the "answers" you need are fed directly through special pipes.... C ya,
"He devoted all his time, energy and means to a single purpose: earning the good pleasure, mercy and Paradise of Allah, and telling all mankind about religious moral values." Unbiased? No chance! A vested interest? You betcha! What a pathetic offer of "proof!"
Why don't you guys try something novel like read the material on these sites yourself and then summarize your position on it instead of trying to outpost each other. Posting links does not advance the topic. More missing links would be preferable.
As a vaguely related aside, John Bunyan wrote the Pilgrim's Progress (while in gaol). It is a far better read than almost any of the Bible, except possibly Luke's gospel, Song of Solomon and some of the Psalms. Wonderful book. It doesn't mean you have to believe it though. Literature and truth are not linked.
I have tears of laughter running down my face after visiting your so called proof! Conspiracy theorists sites that had me howling with laughter, and a couple of religious sites that do nothing to prove anything, just propagating the same regurgitated quotes and "Proofs" Nothing independent here. The vested interest of your sources of proof is there for all to see. Fail. Like asking the maker of a car if it is the best buy! Hilarious, please continue with this entertainment. You sir, are a riot!
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