what did the monkey evolve from?

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   sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

   Just wondering.

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Pre-prehistoric man.
      

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      usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Monkeys are not evolved at all rather created by the creator.

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      From the little know Tyrannosaurus Monkey… a viscous, yet cuddly, banana-eating dinosaur

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The Tyrannosaurus Monkey is not mentioned in the bible.  Do you need any further proof that the bible is the true word of God, and rubbishness is the evil work of freemasons.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years ago

   http://www.larryjzimmerman.com/origins/ … lec14.html
   
   

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      dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nice find

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      nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Quoting from larryjzimmerman.com:
      "The first group of mammals that we think fits Matt Cartmill's definition of primate is the family Petrolemuridae, found in the early Paleocene of Asia."
      
      However, using Google I couldn't find any images of Petrolemuridae, any indication of how many fossils from this family have been discovered, or how the fossils were dated.

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   Jeromeoposted 14 years ago

   Adam named all the animals, there were no monkeys before God created them and they were not called monkeys until Adam named them.

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      kerrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Adam spoke English?
      
      Sandra, Mark's link is excellent, but here's one that's a little more visual: http://www.cameronmsmith.com/pix/PrimateEvolution.jpg

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         weblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Religion Vs Science

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            Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Isn't it fun.  Seeing some think Adam was a monkeys uncle maybe he spoke chimpaneez.

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            candice5posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            This is totally contrary to anything I have ever heard, He spoke Hebrew. Before Usmanali says it he was not a freemason lol:) How naughty of me, Couldn't help it.Freemasons speak English.

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   jonaitisposted 14 years ago

   There is actually almost no information about where chimpanzees (our closest genetic match--closer than a zebra and a horse!) evolved from. Pre-human remains are few and far between, and few paleontologists agree on dates and species that led to us.

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      dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Is it..?

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      taveuni13posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      While there is some truth to this statement, I also think it somewhat mis-leading. While they do say that all of the pre-historic humanoid remains found thus far would hardly fill the back of a pickup truck, to say that this is "almost no" information would be similar to saying there is "almost no information" given by a compass other than the direction of north.
      
      I think most paleantologists (and almost more importantly now geneticists) at least agree that we share common ancestry with the chimpanzee (the direction of north) though the exact mapping of the entire tree may never be fully established with certainty.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oops, I missed this
      
      Almost no information = some information.
      
      What are you expecting exactly - A written statement from a certified pre-human?

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   jonaitisposted 14 years ago

   Sorry for the vagueness of my reply--from my sources ("The Human Odyssey" by Tattersall, and Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything")
   
   "For the first 99.99999 percent of our history as organisms, we were in the same ancestral line as chimpanzees. Virtually nothing is known about the prehistory of chimpanzees, but whatever they were, we were."
   
   Australopithecines emerged from the tropical forests of Africa 7 million years ago and entered the Savannah--this is the first differentiation from ape to the biped that we are today. There is no agreement on whether we evolved in a linear fashion from apes or if several biped lines emerged and homo sapiens--because of our large brains--were able to survive for the greatest duration. We are poor fossilizing material and have not lived long enough--only a few million years--to leave a good trail of fossils to study. The geographic locations of fossils confounds things even further. A lot more could be said about this.
   
   I hope that clears things up further--yes we evolved from chimps, no I don't need a statement from a "certified pre-human" (what is that anyway??) confirming that--but our knowledge of the specifics of our own evolution is hazy at best.

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Clear as mud!

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   Pete Maidaposted 14 years ago

   The apes and humans are derived from the same ancestor.  We did not come from apes; apes are our cousins of sorts.

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So was it half human and half ape?
      
      Did an ape boink the human mother? lol Oh that is just sick. lol
      We don't have a common ancestor, just common traits unless you know what our common ancestor evolved from... that would be something good to know.
      
      Oh but the possibility that it was a human... never!!!

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         Pete Maidaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Humans and apes were different genetic mutations of the original organism.

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Then there is supposedly the missing link.

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            goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I like this answer

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      Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Not my cousin,though one does seem to be obscessed with bananas

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      Earthscribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Precisely! Good point on a very misunderstood difference.
      
      I found this in that regard:
      
      "Comparisons of DNA show that our closest living relatives are the ape species of Africa, and most studies by geneticists show that chimpanzees and humans are more closely related to each other than either is to gorillas. However, it must be stressed that humans did not evolve from living chimpanzees. Rather, our species and chimpanzees are both the descendants of a common ancestor that was distinct from other African apes. This common ancestor is thought to have existed in the Pliocene between 5 and 8 million years ago, based on the estimated rates of genetic change. Both of our species have since undergone 5 to 8 million years of evolution after this split of the two lineages. Using the fossil record, scientists attempt to reconstruct the evolution from this common ancestor through the series of early human species to today's modern human species."
      
      More: http://anthropology.si.edu/HumanOrigins/ha/primate.html
      
      By the way, great link Mark, back in the first few posts...

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   frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

   Nuts. No doubt

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   Janettaposted 14 years ago

   frogs hehe

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   Paragliderposted 14 years ago

   so what about H1N1 - did that evolve or is it God's latest creation?

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    aniketgoreposted 14 years ago

    A Man. Monkey evolved from a Human .

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    boy ya gotta wonder lol

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    aniketgoreposted 14 years ago

    Human-----> Monkey------>Human------> Whats Next?

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       marisuewritesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       If humans came from monkeys, why aren't humans still coming from monkeys....O wait,  Hmmmm  a  few people come to mind....)

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       sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ROTFLMAO!!!!

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    LondonGirlposted 14 years ago

    The monkey evolved from George Bush.

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       lrohnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Don't know about that. Evidently you haven't met my ex!

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       Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well, at least half of the species from Barak Obama. Or was it Tony Blair?

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    sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

    I was just about to comment on all these post cause they are so funny!  But I will just say. OMG these comments are friggin' funny. 

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    JoeMposted 14 years ago

    My understanding of what people theorize is that if you look at the evolution of organisms we all come from some original batch of something that would eventually evolve into a bunch of other somethings that would eventually lead to what we are now.
    
    You can imagine each type of something (mammals, fishes, birds, etc) all being their own branch steaming off of this original something.  These main branches, for the most part, still exist - but the smaller branches on these branches have gone extinct and whatnot.  So I think what scientists say with much certainty is that we on the same branch as chimps, other apes, and monkeys.

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       goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I also like this answer to.
       
       could it not be said that we all came from the same substance, but given different parts in the role we all play on earth

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    ...how bout another monkey

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    FreshtoDeathposted 14 years ago

    Exactly, I created them because I needed somewhere to put the HIV.

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    Tom Cornettposted 14 years ago

    Monkeys couldn't get a dance at the prom and ran off to the jungle.

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    waynetposted 14 years ago

    A potato salad.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Mark cleared this up in post2.

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       why you always act like a twisted tail of Mark

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Twisted tail? Your the only thing twisted around here. See Marks link. Oh that's right, you only believe your own crap.

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    Pamda Manposted 14 years ago

    Pandas live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead panda.

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       Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       They are sadly also close to extinction.

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          Pamda Manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Another failed attempt at trying to decode my words...

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    usmanali81posted 14 years ago

    SO IT HAS BEEN DECIDED BY ALL THAT Monkeys are not evolved at all rather created by the Ultimate Creator.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Only in your mind usmanali

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          Pamda Manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry, earnest, but SHUT UP!

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          usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          who said

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, at the same time as the dinosaurs, about 10,000 years ago.  Carbon dating is a conspiracy of the rubbishist freemasons.

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    Pamda Manposted 14 years ago

    From other thread:
    
    He double posted to revive this topic.
    
    So I will repeat this message again, and I hope you all will cooperate. The following is in CAPS so everyone can see. 
    
    WE WILL NOT POST IN THIS FAIL THREAD EVER AGAIN, AND WE WILL WATCH IN THE SIDE HOW MANY TIMES HE WILL DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE POST UNTIL HE GETS REMOVED FROM HUBPAGES ONCE AND FOR ALL.
    
    Check my Panda Poetry on here: <no links please>

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Some more love and tolerance... usmanali style
    
    Quran Surah 62: The Congregation
    A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 5

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    Pamda Manposted 14 years ago

    I have no eye see.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    The world as usmanali sees it
    
    

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Future of rubbishists, evolutionists, atheists, capitalists, materialists, socialists, humanists, zionists and freemasons:
       
       who are evolved from MONKEYS and could easily evolve into the following because it's just a matter of CHANCE.
       
       

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    goodfriendiamposted 14 years ago

    I was sitting here pondering, that why in the world would monkeys be the first thing on the planet? Who put them here? Did they magically appear? Who did they evolve from a fly? I thought vegetation was the first thing placed on the planet? So if this were true then wouldn't we have all evolved from plants? But then who did the plants evolve from? I myself can not comprehend how we as humans, with so much complexity, could have evolved from anything. just my thoughts.

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Great logical thoughts

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          goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          thanks usmanali81

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             no problem my dear, it's my pleasure

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    Pamda Manposted 14 years ago

    Lol. Someone actually agrees with The Interesting Incident Of Panda Man.

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    Pete Maidaposted 14 years ago

    The monkey evolved from the same root animal that humans evolved from.  We deed not evolve from apes that has been gotten wrong for many years.  Apes and humans evolved in parallel lines from the same creature.
    I was watching a PBS special last night that shows that most animal life evolved from creatures emerging during the Cambrian Explosion.

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       goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thats fine Pete, but where did they come from?

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          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          They evolved from earlier animals. Although there is evidence building that the Cambrian explosion was no more or less "explosive," than previous or later eras. The best argument I have heard is that the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere that had built up by that time had reached the point where it was possible for larger, more complex animals to evolve.

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             goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Ok, but were did these animals come from?

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                Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                What do you teach your children when they ask this question?

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                   goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I will answer your question Mark after you answer mine

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                      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      LOL
                      
                      From earlier, less complex animals.

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                         goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I let mine decide for themselves what they believe. But now were did these less complex animals come from?

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                            Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            So you do not teach them anything? Sounds like a good approach.
                            
                            I am not really interested in playing this game any further. The first time you asked this question I thought you were actually looking for an answer. If you wish to educate yourself, I suggest a decent library - there is no shortage of information out there.
                            
                            ciao

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                               goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               I am interested. You have no clue what I am thinking. Unless you have ESP.  I want to know what the first animal, creature, or other wise was that we evolved from? I am not being a smart_ss. I know what I believe. I do not need proof. Though at one time in my life, I did not believe a _amn thing, because everyone new everything, there was know need to ask any more questions. So eventually I begin again to ask myself questions and research, about the unknown. And I decided for myself that, I was going to take a leap of faith, and believe in something that I could not see, and now I have never been, happier in all my miserable life.

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                                  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  and further more, don't answer, because there is know reasoning in your proof. You on the other hand, come in to forums, and provoke others with your "intelligence," Not even thinking that what you are doing is the same _amn thing they are doing.

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                                  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  I am glad you are happy.
                                  
                                  I know exactly what you were thinking and I was sort of wondering how many times you were going to say, "but where did that one come from?" before you got to the unanswerable question.
                                  
                                  How many times were you going to ask it?
                                  
                                  Edit - sorry, cross posted. Oh well.

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                                     goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                     Well mark, it stands to reason, that it all had to come from somewhere. So I just wanted to know how evolutionist reason it all out.

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                                        Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                        But you told me there is no reasoning in my proof.
                                        
                                        You have obviously chosen not to look at the evidence I have already pointed you towards and discarded it so why would you want this question answered?
                                        
                                        Personally - I do not need this question answered. I am happy to say "I do not know," for certain. I have my ideas - none of which involve an invisible super being clicking his fingers.

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                                           goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                           Good I am glad, that you can honestly say I do not know. But yes I did read it. But even if we only became aware 35,000 years ago when art began, there still stands to reason, where we all evolved from originally. That is all I am asking. Thanks mark

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                                              Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                              Of course there is a place we all evolved from "in the beginning." LOL. I do not know for certain exactly where it was. Nor do I need to have an answer to be happy.
                                              
                                              There are several scientific theories, although not yet a consensus and no one has as yet been able to reproduce the conditions exactly enough to be sure.

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                                              goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                              And I question, the whole theroy that we did become aware 35,000 years ago. Because if this were the case then why would we, hurt someone else, just because they hurt us. When if it hurt us. Why would we want another to feel the same?
                                              
                                              Also I am a question hound, I sometimes don't think people think deep enough and long enough on what they believe or what they say, or do. So I like to, arouse people to dig deep.

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                                                 Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                 Lost me. What has the time frame that we became self-aware got to do with hurting people?

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                                                    goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                    Because to become aware, we become aware of our own selves and the impact we play on the big picture and each other.

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                                                       Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                       So what? What is intrinsically "wrong," with hurting some one?

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                                                          goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                          Nothing wrong if that is your sort of thing. I enjoy lifting others up, and tearing them down, if I see they are tearing another down, in hopes that they may see, that when they hurt another it just comes back to them.  because I care for humanity.

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                                                             Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                             I still do not see how the time frame that we became self aware has anything to do with this. Perhaps you could explain.

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             That's just an argument without any proof. By the way where this oxygen came from ???

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                Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Distilled from the rectal gasses of freemasons.

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          Pamda Manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hydrogen > Helium > Lithium > Carbon > Oxygen > Bacteria > Phytoplankton > Zooplankton > Fish > Amphibian > Reptile > Bird > Mammal > Primates > Humans
          
          Lithium > Sodium > Calcium > Molluscs
          
          Carbon > Fish
          
          Oxygen > Ferns > Shrubs > Trees

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          Pete Maidaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          All life started from once cell creatures about 3.75 billion years ago.  I don't remember and couldn't spell the name of creatures.  The Cambrian Explosion occurred about a a half billion years ago and just about all present life can trace genetics back to that event.
          Changes in the planet and life's continual effort to improve itself through natural selection and evolution created the variations from the Cambrian Explosion including the variation called humanity.

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             usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             What the heck this life's continual effort is ??? Is it a branch of science ??? any formula for that ???
             
             You forgot to mention the monkeys along with humans to be the result of the variations. why this evolution had double standards ??? Some being created as monkeys and others being as humans WHY ???

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       usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What about plants ???
       
       It's you who is saying that you are not evolved from apes, in contrast, the evolutionists agree upon that, at least they agree that the thing which you people are evolved from looks like monkeys.

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    goodfriendiamposted 14 years ago

    Well, because if we became self aware that we had a brain 35,000 years ago, then why would we want to hurt another that is equal with ourselves

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       Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Money, power, control, pleasure, food, reproductive rights, on accident. etc etc
       
       I still do not understand what argument you are trying to make?
       
       Nor do I understand what the time frame has to do with hurting each other.

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    The Monkey's Disgrace
    My mom reminded me of this poem:
    
    Three monkeys sat in a coconut tree
    Discussing things as they are said to be.
    
    Said one to the others, "Now listen, you two,
    There's a rumor around that can't be true
    "That man descended from our noble race
    "The very idea is a great disgrace.
    
    "No monkey has ever deserted his wife
    "Starved her babies and ruined her life
    "And you've never known a mother monk
    "To leave her babies with others to bunk
    
    Now quit ya monkeying around you lot !
    
    "Or pass from one on to another
    "Till they scarcely know who is their mother.
    
    "Here's another thing a monkey won't do
    "Go out at night and get on a stew.
    "Or use a gun or club or knife
    "To take some other monkey's life.
    
    "Yes, man descended, the ornery cuss
    "But, brother, he didn't descend from us."
    
    
    
    
    
    

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    goodfriendiamposted 14 years ago

    I don't know I'm just thinking. I enjoy thinking on things. But who knows. I defiantly do not want to start another argument. Bye Mark and thanks, I always enjoy talking with you, even when sometimes, I feel like you are trying to make me annoyed.

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    manlypoetrymanposted 14 years ago

    I'm guessing that Monkeys come from those little Sea Monkeys.
    Those ones...that are under a microscope and you just have to add water!

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       Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Ahhhhh...no wonder the plumbings over-active

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    There is more proof for evolution than any other theory. The Quoran and the Bible were both written by men to control the ignorant masses. Obviously works on some.

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       janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Quran open challeges to all who say that it is written by human to write one verse like its verse.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Explain please?

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             janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             see
             http://www.submission.org/challenge.html

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                earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Seen it all before. Not just from the Quoran. The bible has hundreds of mathematical and other "proofs" as well. You start from the closed position of being a zealot, then organize so called "proof" to suit. Weak to the point of anemia.

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                   janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   so you think that proof is not good and human can write a Surah like it?

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                      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      I neither know nor care if there are writers who could write the sura or anything else that comes from religious tomes. It is a long way from evidence that your god, your religion is any different to the hundreds of others who are also 100% right in their view!

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                         janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         you are the psychic who see the sun then cover his eyes and still shout that ''it is night''

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                            usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            LOL

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                               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               Neither of you will address anything about your religion without quoting it. You are just another fundamentalist who is too blind to see the lunacy you spout.

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                                  janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  so you are quiting the challenge? and diverting from the topic?

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Simple changes, that made us different, easy to explain, read about it in any modern book.

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    janni321posted 14 years ago

    Dear earnesthub, As you see the challenge, no human can produce the Sura like it! even if he can take help of all the forces of the universe. isn't that a big proof?

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What are you talking about? The sort of proof offered is of the same type offered by the bible. Make a straw man, then knock him down, using your own book as proof of it's truth. Nonsense!

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          janni321posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          so thats mean the proof is poor because it is also in bible?
          Is that a criteria of checking proofs?

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       JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You wanna see "proof":  http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
       
       http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran … ation.html
       
       http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Contradic … _the_Quran
       
       Isn't it funny...  how the fundamentalists feel "God" says.... exactly what they seem to believe in?

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yep! The population in 2008 was  6,706,993,152, so to give the zealots their due, their chance of being right are more than  6 million to one against being the owner of the truth.

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          usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You forgot to mention the following
          
          http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/
          http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/washington.html
          http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
          http://www.harunyahya.com/

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             JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Your freemason BS not gonna rub on us...  take your medications for PPD.

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                usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                At last, you called Freemasonry a BS

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                   JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I dunno about freemason... but I do know YOUR BS....your Takiya tactic not gonna work... diversion from topic... try again.

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                      usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      There are thousands of websites to expose the evils of Freemasons. Some of them are here for you to click and get enlightened.
                      
                      http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/
                      http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/washington.html
                      http://www.harunyahya.com/

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                         JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I'm not a freemason.... not interested in those links....you gotta worry about your fundamentalist beliefs.

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                            usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Not a single fundamental of Islam is against humanity ... not a single.

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                               JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               Are you kidding?....Quran has countless verses.... encouraging violence against non moslems.... even yesterday Nigeria was attacked by Islamic terrorists.

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                                  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  All the Islamic terrorists are mercenaries backed by Freemasons. These terrorists are not even Muslims as their dead bodies were being found uncircumcized. May be they are those who are affected by credit crunch in Europe, America and Australia and lost their jobs, so Freemasons and members of Bones and Skulls like BUSH gave them the job of killing and butchering instead.

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                                     JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                     Can you give us.... even one credible link to justify your stupid allegations... I gotta ignore fundamentalists like you...... no point...when all the "answers" you need are fed directly through special pipes.... C ya,

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                                        usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                        Here ... take it
                                        
                                        http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/
                                        http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/washington.html
                                        http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
                                        http://www.harunyahya.com/

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                                           wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                           I thought he asked for "credible" links...

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                                              usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                              Here it is, the credible one ... with references
                                              http://www.harunyahya.com/

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                                                 earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                 Still laughing. This about the Author.
                                                 
                                                 "He devoted all his time, energy and means to a single purpose: earning the good pleasure, mercy and Paradise of Allah, and telling all mankind about religious moral values."
                                                 Unbiased? No chance! A vested interest? You betcha! What a pathetic offer of "proof!"

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                                                    usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                    you can bark as much as you like

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                                                       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                       ..and you can hate as much as you like, no one takes you seriously you sad little freak.

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    Bibowenposted 14 years ago

    Why don't you guys try something novel like read the material on these sites yourself and then summarize your position on it instead of trying to outpost each other. Posting links does not advance the topic. More missing links would be preferable.

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    Paragliderposted 14 years ago

    As a vaguely related aside, John Bunyan wrote the Pilgrim's Progress (while in gaol). It is a far better read than almost any of the Bible, except possibly Luke's gospel, Song of Solomon and some of the Psalms. Wonderful book. It doesn't mean you have to believe it though. Literature and truth are not linked.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I have tears of laughter running down my face after visiting your so called proof!
    Conspiracy theorists sites that had me howling with laughter, and a couple of religious sites that do nothing to prove anything, just propagating the same regurgitated quotes and "Proofs" Nothing independent here. The vested interest of your sources of proof is there for all to see. Fail.
    Like asking the maker of a car if it is the best buy! Hilarious, please continue with this entertainment. You sir, are a riot!

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       Pamda Manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Why do you still respond to this shhit?

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          candice5posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I won't again, too late, He is just doing such a job of irritating me with his Sh@T

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I know why I do Panda man why do you?

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       Pamda Manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Nope. I am awaiting your enlightenment, earnest.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          To be honest Panda Man I think we both find it hard to not feel outrage when religious or other endorsements include hate and loathing for fellow humans.... just my feelings about it.

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    Pamda Manposted 14 years ago

    Indeed.

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    Pamda Manposted 14 years ago

    Good move, candice. Finally, someone that listens.

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

    An evangelical religious nut.

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