I thought the left wanted to tone down the "Rhetoric" and "Vitriol"

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Jim Hunterposted 13 years ago
This isn't a nice thing to say.

Hateful race baiting.

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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They don't! What they want is for the right to compromise on their principles, they want the right to shut up!
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True.
  
  When you tell the truth about the left they tend to get unhappy.
  
  But when you tell the truth and they do exactly what you say they will they tend to lose elections.
  
  To change their philosophy would be ridiculous to them so they just want us to not spread the word of their treachery.
  
  They have a funny religion.
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  Ms Deeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And that's why they hate Palin so much. By the strong American values she portrays she is a stark contrast to the Left's myths and lies, blowing their cover before the public.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease support her in 2012!
  
  Please, please, please...
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, yes, pretty please, GOP, put Sarah Palin at the top of your ticket in 2012! Please, do.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God forbid!
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  Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Look at the bipatisan support for Sarah. I'ts a real kum by ya ha ha ha moment.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Values like quitting in the face of "whithering" media attacks?
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  She quit to spare her state the expense of having to defend her against hundreds of nuisance law suits propagated by the left! She has honor which is more than I can say for Obama and the scum that serves in his circle!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Some water with your breakfast?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm, check a recent article in the San Jose Mercury News.....she is NOT the saint you portray.
  
  She's QUITE the little Diva.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lady, here's a link to a list of links that deal with the some of the ethics complaints filed against Palin. All but one of the links is working and I didn't come to the conclusion that these are baseless complaints. it looks more likely that Palin either doesn't have an interest in discovering the laws that control her actions in office or, just doesn't care about them.
  
  Lady, how do lawsuits that have been in part brought about by your beloved republicans become just a nuisance in your opinion? I'm sure it is quite a nuisance for most politicians to obey the laws of the state and country they represent. This doesn't stop them from doing so in most circumstances. Do you actually believe that obeying the law should be considered nothing more than a nuisance when you are a politician, or does that only apply if you're a conservative republican?
  
  This shows a pattern of placing herself above the law and doing whatever benifits her and those around her the most, regardless of the laws involved. The complaint about the dog sled race might be considered frivolous until you remember her attitude about laws andrules of conduct. Ignorance of the law has never been a excuse for not obeying a law. Being the Govenor and the most powerful person ina state normally indicates that this person is well versed in the laws of that state. Either she feels her position affords her the luxury of actually knowing how to govern the state or she simply sees herself as being above them. IMO it's the later.
  
  The complaint about offering a free product endorsement for a company because they pay your husband is an ethical violation. It is explained in the laws and if Sarah could be bothered with nuisances like obeying the law, she would know this. This might be considered a personal attack and a silly problem to most who dont care about the truth.
  
  Let's waste a little more breath here. Lady would you be so kind as to prove any of these lawsuits to be baseless?
  
  base·less adj.
  Having no basis or foundation in fact; unfounded.
  Synonyms: baseless, groundless, idle, unfounded, unwarranted
  These adjectives mean being without a basis or foundation in fact: a baseless accusation; groundless rumors; idle gossip; unfounded suspicions; unwarranted jealousy. Used in a sentence: Belief in the Republican Party's ability to recognize the truth, even when it slaps them upside the head, is baseless.
  
  I here you Ron, I am considering volunteering in my area to help get Palin the Republican nomination for president, I dont think there is anything I can do that will do more to help improve this countries future.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not a single conviction, and yet people like Charlie Rangle, the guy that sat on the committee that writes our tax laws and who avoided taxes for 17 years gets a pass... Where are the media attacks on Rangle?
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Not a single conviction,"
  Well, that's technically true, since when your state legislature finds you guilty of ethics violations, they don't get to convict you. They just find that you violated ethics rules.
  
  "yet people like Charlie Rangle"
  
  *Hmmm, I got nothing but a technicality to defend Palin...what should I do? Oh, I know!*
  
  "But...but...but...Charlie Rangle!"
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rangle, Geithner, Holder, Waters, Ballance, Richardson, Blago, Kilpatrick, Jefferson, Spitzer, and on and on... but we don't hear much about them or about Pelosi's Father and brother both of whom escaped prosecution but were as crooked as they come!
  
  Face it Palin has been harassed from the day McCain announced her as VP and for no good reason other than pure HATE! The left hates her values, hates are conservatism, hates her because she belives in the fundamental principles of the constitution! She stands for everything they HATE and they must take her down!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Would you like to know why I hate her?
  I saw her on c-span, on the night McCain introduced her as his running mate. And I really liked her! She was funny, self-deprecating, I was thinking "Oh yeah...a strong woman, has a family, etc"
  
  Then the very next day, she got up on stage and massacred Obama. Real mean, nasty stuff. Personal. And I thought well sh*t, just another politician, but in a dress.
  And so it went from there.
  She's just another mean, attacking pol.
  And I was doubly mad at her for being a woman and resorting to that stupid crap.
  
  So be it.
  She is just like all the other nasty, insulting, personal damaging pols, out for money and power.
  
  Now, it seems the worst thing about her is she can't admit a mistake, and refuses to take responsibility for herself and her words.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I liked her at first, too, LMC, but it took me longer to figure her out than it took you. lol
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There's no shame in that. At least you figured her out, which is more than I can say for a lot of folks out there.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Face it Palin has been harassed from the day McCain announced her as VP and for no good reason other than pure HATE!"
  And the ethics violations. For which she was found guilty by her Republican-majority State legislature. Let's not forget that. Maybe if you name a bunch of names and say that they're corrupt, too, then we'll all forget that the darling of the Tea Party was found guilty of ethics violations by her own, Republican-majority State Legislature. Or maybe her corruption will somehow become acceptable, seeing as how she's not the only corrupt one? Or maybe folks will be distracted from Palin's corruption by these accusation of corruption on the other side? Either way, it didn't work.
  
  "Face it Palin has been harassed from the day McCain announced her as VP and for no good reason other than" the fact that she couldn't name a single Supreme Court ruling (other than Roe v. Wade) that she disagreed with, in spite of the fact that any 10th grade history student could have trotted out Plessy v. Ferguson (the one that established the 'separate but equal' doctrine) or the more recent Kelo v City of New London, which opened the doors to let a city use eminent domain to take land from a private owner and give it to some other private owner (you'd think with her supposed love of individual rights, she'd be at least as annoyed about that as I am). Or the fact that she had no idea how being Governor of Alaska gave her international relations experience. Or that she couldn't name any of the news magazines she reads. Or....
  
  "The left hates her values,"
  Well, she seems to value xenophobia, imperialism, and preemptive attack on people who have neither the inclination nor the ability to attack us, so yeah, I guess so.
  
  "...hates are conservatism,'
  Well, we don't much like Sarah's brand of conservatism, that's certainly true. It's blatantly belligerent, unabashedly ignorant, and hostile to rational discourse.
  
  "hates her because she belives in the fundamental principles of the constitution!"
  Um, if she actually did believe in those, we wouldn't have much cause to dislike her. But it's pretty clear to us that her belief in Constitutional principles only applies to her followers. People like Muslims, city-dwellers, and college graduates need not apply.
  
  "She stands for everything they HATE and they must take her down!"
  She stands for unfocused anger, willful ignorance, and unreasoning fear, which are never good even alone. In combination, however, they are a recipe for disaster.
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  shynslyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, that is still a very good (and relevant) question... as somebody who myself is not a huge fan of Palin, I still want a straight answer about that crap.
  
  Why is such a horrendous tax cheat in charge of the federal tax code and allowed to skate, with his primary defense being... "Well, I just didn't understand the law."... Uhm, don't you WRITE the law?
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What does Rangle have to do with my comment to you. We were discussing Palin and since you had nothing to offer you pick another sound bite to offer in place of a relevent response.
  
  As far as I have seen their is no delusion group running around defending him either. If he broke the law he will be dealt with, remember he is a Democrat and they still have to obey the laws of this country or face the consquences. Remember when both parties were in this position?
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you may or maynot disagree, but you can see my statement on yhe Sarah Palin forum I just left.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Kindergarden age answers to adault questions. We start discussing Palin and her actions and the best you can offer as a defense is...well the Democrats do it to. Little billy hollers, Mommy Lady hit me, lady replies,mommy billy hit me first so I'm allowed to hit him since I act like a spoiled little brat. .
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you test your theory.
  
  Tell the truth sometime.
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  Ms Deeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How about you? Why don't you test your theory that Palin quit in the face of "whithering" media attacks?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Palin offered few clues about her ambitions but said she arrived at her decision in part to protect her family, which has faced withering criticism and occasional mockery, and to escape ethics probes that have drained her family's finances and hampered her ability to govern."
  
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 01738.html
  
  You people make this too easy. Even when I spot you a few points, you can't keep up.
  
  Go get some more FoxNews talking points; I'll be waiting.
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  Ms Deeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Right, this says she " quit to spare her state the expense" of the legal battles she found herself in after the campaign with McCain. This is the reason she gave, more than the "whithering" media attacks. She still has had the "whithering" media attacks, but has spared AK the legal expense by not being in office. I'd rather believe it from the person than from the media, even Foxnews, and it is the cost to AK that she says was the reason she stepped down. This makes sense with the track record of all the fiscal policy principles she followed as a mayor, in the AK state role of overseeing the oil industry there and then as governor in that she is very respective of it being the people's $, and not hers to profit from. Have you read about the expense cutting she did of the city and state governments she ran? It is from that position of principle that she decided to step down. What she did supports what she says. I think that speaks more than what the media claims.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  She has spared Alaska much more than legal expenses.
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  Ms Deeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I see do not want to discuss the facts.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ron, how did she save the state money on legal expenses when she is required to pay for her own defense. Oh yea, it's coming out of the kick backs she engineered that will pay her over a billion dollars a day for the rest of her life. See lady, I can make crap up just like the right. Why do you think Palin deserves a retirement of over a billion dollars a day from a job she couldn't even finish? Dont you think the homeless could use this money? Dont you think Alaska will need it to cover the cost of the next oil spill Halliburton causes?
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really think he's still on. His comment is five hours old.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't really think about it. I dont sit here all day either, lol. I stop by check for comments and comence spreading my brilliance around.
  
  BTW< did you really think he would never come back? We're winning this round by default. It's default of delusional thinking on the right. hahaha
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Winning?
  
  The left isn't winning anything except a free pass from the media.
  
  You will lose in 2012...again
  
  You will lose power for at least 12 years...again
  
  And Barrack Hussein Obama will write an autobiography...again
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "how did she save the state money on legal expenses when she is required to pay for her own defense."
  Wouldn't the state have to pay for the prosecutor? And what about the time that the court and the witnesses, many of whom are state employees, could be spending on other things?
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok Jeff, I'll give you part of that one. Technicslly I believe the prosecutor is paid a salary and no additional money would be spent for him to do his job. I would have to say that with over 7 different allegations of ethics violations, it is the job of any state employee to help find out if their elected officials are morally capable of doing the job. I don't think they should just ignore the charges simply because they have been made against a Republican, do you?
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I don't think they should just ignore the charges simply because they have been made against a Republican, do you?"
  Definitely not.
  But there's not much point in pursuing an investigation that could lead to impeachment and, if found guilty, removal from office, if the person in question has already resigned.
  
  Unless there might be actual legal punishments like probation, a fine, or incarceration...
  
  I really don't know all the details of all the things she's been accused of. I just know that the Alaska Legislature ruled that the had violated ethics rules.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Calling a white guy gringo is race-baiting? Err, not in my book.
  And it's understandable she would feel relief, "I felt some small relief in knowing that at least this shooting wouldn't be used as a reason for yet another backlash against immigrants, or at least that’s what I'm hoping. In this political climate, it's hard to tell."
  Since Immigrants get called murderers, drug-dealers, criminals, etc all the time.
  
  What's more telling to me is in the comments section. One woman wants to get her fired!
  So, Palin, Beck, Rush etc can say offensive things all day and night, but they want this Latina fired?
  Ahahaha!
  
  FIGURES!
  
  Like Palin says---they won't shut us up. But they SURE want to shut anyone up who makes THEM angry!!
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe it isn't up to organizations to end the vitriol. Maybe it's up to individuals. Seems organizations and businesses will do whatever it takes to stay in business, regardless of whether it's ethical or not. Hence, finger pointing and name calling, greed, lust, power, etc.
  
  But if individuals, one at a time choose to end the vitriol, we reclaim our power against any entity that takes our power from us.
  
  Including political parties, religious institutions, and anything else that may oppress or force.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmmmm, the article wasn't written by an organization.
  
  It was written by a hateful individual.
  
  When the left quits being so hateful maybe then we will too.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think I can rest my case here. The individual, despite his affiliations, chose vitriol, thus perpetuating the problem, not helping to solve it. He probably claimed his right to do what he did based on his awful affiliations. A poor reason, in my assessment.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You would have a better case if you had read the article.
  
  You may have even seen "he" was actually a she.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't need to read vitriol to make an informed comment. When have I not seen this over, and over, and over again? It's just more of the same, but my comment still has relevance for any who may gravitate toward it. If it doesn't fit where you're at you're obviously not obligated to make it relevant to you.
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habeeposted 13 years ago
What about Ed Shultz calling Republicans "bastards"? I don't watch him - I read that on the Huffington Post.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've watched! That guy is a hateful crazy loon! LOL! I can't believe any one would put him on the air!
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They are the only ones resorting to vitriol.
  
  Its their stock and trade.
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  tony0724posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you want to see hate at it's crescendo look at the comments on the Huffington Post. I believe I have the record for most deleted comments when I present them with the facts.
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "There'll be fightin in the streets, with our children at our feet, and the morals we all worshipped will be gone" Pete Townshend "The Who"
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Haven't been to the Huffinton site in awhile. Is it as bad as the moronic crap that spewed on the Fox news site?
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  tony0724posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  By far worse. Borderlining on brainless
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not worse. The same. But yeah, brainless.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  guess I need to stop by and check it out for myself. Nothing personal but i do like to verify something beforeIi talk about it. I wonder how many people just said to their best friend..Why dat daress a come pleate waise o time bubba, shute deys lots of dem good conversative sites that dont even know how to lie. Boy howdy, ain't dat dare yankee about a derned fool. Wastin time athinkint he could spend alistenin to dat dare geenyus Glen Bek. Hey bubba, did you here that sum isa tryin to say dat Glen Bek is one of dem fancy underdrawers wearin Morn mums? Anybuddy thats as smart as dat boy is is got to be a believin in the same god we does. I aint a figgerin them morn mums to be no heathens like dem izlams is.
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logic,commonsenseposted 13 years ago
Jim, that is correct. They want everyone but themselves to tone it down. You see no one is as smart as they are and therefore they are the only ones that should be allowed to say whatever they want. TIC!
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Ps: I think Republicans are bastards too. Just as Liberals were just called liars.

The thing is, when someone says, "we need second amendment solutions to those bastards", that's when you have to worry.

Capice?
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Capice?
  
  No, I have never understood anything you have ever said.
  
  non sono certo di aver capito bene
  
  capire?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How about this:
  
  We can have Matthews and Shultz and Olbermann say to their audience:
  
  "You real Americans out there...we need to do something about these Republicans. We need a second amendment solution to take care of them. We need to lock and load on their agenda and not re-treat, but reload on their attacks!"
  
  Now THAT would be vitriolic.
  
  Comprende?
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think the left as usual would shoot themselves in their collective feet.
  
  Obamablessyou.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They're not the ones who show up to political rallies with guns.
  
  FAIL.
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  couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, I got two bruthas and an uncle who can break someone's kneecaps for them if you need it. Dial 555 - compare. They can be 'taken care of' the family way.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, this is not slight on you couture, because I know you meant no harm.
  
  But that man who was shot, and told the Tea-party guy "You're dead"?
  
  He says there is a Tea-party crime syndicate.
  
  And I believe it.
  
  San Jose Mercury News...apparently, someone made threats on Sarah's behalf!
  
  And just the way they operate...all the gun talk, the violence, the ugly rhetoric.. it IS like a mafia gang...only with less morals.
  
  Italian Mafia had morals in their own way.
  
  They did not shoot kids or mothers.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Italian Mafia had morals in their own way."
  
  You have been watching way too many movies.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't expect you to understand...
  
  Not everything is black and white, and there are certain levels of grey that sometimes are necessary.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago
Absofrickinlutely hilarious that the teabaggers would consider this hate speech. That's right in line with safety through gun proliferation, and freedom by handing power over to the corporations.

Oh, and those weren't targets in Palin's ad, they were surveyors sights.

No wonder these guys hate education so much.
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shynslyposted 13 years ago
Just out curiousity, where is she getting this supposed "backlash against immigrants" crap?

Living all of 10 miles (as the crow flies) from the border, the only "backlash" I see is against all the criminals that keep sneaking into the U.S., usually also bringing in drugs, guiding other criminals, shooting Border Patrol Agents and ranchers, costing our already over-burdened welfare system millions, and leaving huge nasty piles of trash all over the AZ desert as they trespass through.

But I can't say as to where I see any "backlash" or anger towards the thousands of actual immigrants that (legally) live and work around here, in fact, quite a few of them were really good friends and coworkers of mine until we lost touch after I left two years ago. Friends and coworkers who for the most part, share the same gripes and issues I have about their criminal counterparts.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"She still has had the "whithering" media attacks,"

She is the Queen of attacks. If she is going to play the game, she is going to take some hits too.

And hers are about as rotten as you get...personal, venal and straight to the juggular.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I pretty much agree with this. If you can dish it out, you should be ready to take it. I don't like people picking on the kids of politicians, however. They should be off limits. Spouses, too.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. But that goes for the politicians themselves, too - they should not parade their children like campaign props.
  
  As for her daughter, Bristol, it's her mother's connection that gave her celebrity status. She would just be another young unwed mother, probably very poor, if it weren't for her mother. She even parlayed that into being the spokesperson for an abstinence campaign.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't referring to Bristol. She put herself in the limelight. I was referring to Trigg, Amy Carter, McCain's adopted daughter, and Chelsea Clinton.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Trig is a campaign prop for Palin's numerous Tea Party and book appearances. She waves him around for a minute then passes him off onto her aides. Poor kid.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's about as hateful as any post I have ever seen! Oh but only the right is the promoter of hate! LOL
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No reason to make fun of him. He didn't ask for fame.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Was livelonger making fun of Trig? It doesn't look that way to me....
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, no, no!! You misunderstood me! I was saying that we shouldn't make fun of the kids of politicians. Trigg was made fun of on TV - not by LL! I don't believe LL would ever do such a thing!
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, sorry about that! Yes, I misunderstood.
  
  Who the heck made fun of the kid? That person should be publicly shamed. That's way over the line.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
You beat me to the punch (not intended as violent rhetoric), LL.
Other politicians put a media shield around their children.
Mrs. Palin has not missed an opportunity to put her brood in front of the camera, whether it's Bristol on Dancing with the Stars or the others on her Sarah Palin's Alaska show.
If she doesn't want her children to be the focus of media attention she sure has a funny way of showing it!
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Aha! So now you're saying that you and LL want to punch me, huh? You liberals are so violent!
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Jeff Berndtposted 13 years ago
So the editorial basically says this:

"I'm glad the shooter was a white guy, 'cos if he were Latino, there woulda been an anti-Latino backlash."

Wow, I have no idea how someone might come to such a conclusion.

Is it a good idea to talk about this hypothetical backlash in the national media? Well, she certainly has the right to talk about it to anybody who'll listen to her. But I prefer to discuss how to deal with actual backlash that has actually happened rather than complain about something that might have happened (but didn't) if things had been different (but weren't).
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  Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I did not find the editorial profound, but the writer was expressing an opinion and deep fear that in any violent crime in AZ involving a Latino, the victim needs to BE the latino or the game of teabagger spin begins. That's the opinion without hate or vitriol.
  
  Jimmy may be testing to see if there's support for wingnut topical censorship of NPR editorials.
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  Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I did not find the editorial profound, but the writer was expressing an opinion and deep fear that in any violent crime in AZ involving a Latino, the victim needs to BE the latino or the game of teabagger spin begins. That's the opinion without hate or vitriol.
  
  Jimmy may be testing to see if there's support for wingnut topical censorship of NPR editorials.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Ha ha, Habee!
I cannot picture myself punching you or even wanting to punch you under any circumstances. I like you way to much. Oh, and I'm not a violent person. Sharp tongued, perhaps, but not inclined to physical violence

LL -- I found it very interesting that in the Sarah Palin Alaska show the ONLY shot of Trig was when Sarah and Todd were dropping him at Grandma and Grandpa's house (Todd's parents as I recall) for babysitting.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder how much the state of Alaska was paying for baby sitting services?
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Yes, Palin has been under intense public scrutiny. When McCain chose her as his running mate she was virtually unknown outside of Alaska. The public rightly wanted to know everything about her. If she was to be a heartbeat away from the presidency (which was a big concern, given McCain's age), people needed to feel comfortable with her.

I cannot speak for everyone, of course. But I disagree that the left hates Sarah Palin for her values, conservatism or the fact that she believes in fundamental principles of the Constitution.
There are many members of Congress who believe in/stand for similar values.They are not automatically hated. In many cases they have our respect.

With Palin it's not so much about what she believes it's the way she conducts herself that is the problem. If she wants to be taken seriously as a candidate for office, she needs to do more than spout bumper sticker mantras. She needs to bone up on the issues and get a grasp of the complex subject matter required of the job.
If her goal, instead, is to be a right-wing media star on Fox with an open forum to foment anger and promote tea party candidates, she's still going to be under public scrutiny.

Oh, and it's not just "the left" who have issues with Sarah Palin, btw.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  She actually came to the attention of the media when she quit the last job she was elected to before she quit the last job she had been elected to. Can you say sell out for big bucks. Can you say integrity? That's two oaths she has taken and blown off. Quite a little track record she got going here.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Don't sugarcoat it Jeff. Tell us how you REALLY feel .
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Yes, Stump (I will not use your initials because, unfortunately, they are the same as the person we are discussing ).
I just have to laugh when I read hubbers talk about Sarah Palin's "honor." She personifies LACK of HONOR.
She never, ever does the honorable thing.
Oh wait, perhaps they mean she honors money!
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Having the same initials should raise my IQ level a couple more points. Hot diggity dog, I's a genius now.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Believe it or not, I liked Sarah Palin at first, too.
I was really quite excited when McCain picked her as his running mate.
That all changed with her Katie Couric interview and Joe Biden debate.
It's been a rapid descent from there.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was excited to see more women entering the race for the Whitehouse when McCain selected her myself, MM. It didn't take long to discover how unqualified to hold public office this woman really is.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
No LL was NOT making fun of Trig. He was pointing out the expedience to SP of having a special needs baby to exploit for her own good.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that's pretty much how I read it, too, only I read "baby," full stop.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Who dared make fun of little Trigg on TV? That is lower than low.
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habeeposted 13 years ago
Family Guy and Bill Maher.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Booo. They should only be picking on people who choose to be in the public eye; certainly not on a toddler.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Bristol is kinda fair game, but not Trigg. I hated it when folks used to make fun of Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton, too.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I absolutely adore Bill Maher.
  
  If you cant make fun of people what good are they. I'm not racist but will laugh like crazy at a racist joke. I'm not a religious person and simply adore the Priest, Rabbi and a duck walk into the bar, jokes. I am a small man by societies standards and yet I love all the old ones about the Man from Nantucket. Please, I make fun of myself all day long and ya know what, I hasn't caused the first broken bone or illness. What the heck is wrong with laughing at something that funny. When I laugh at me it doesn't show disrespect to me from me. It shows that I dont feel the need to take myself so seriously that I am incapable of being happy. What sound does an Italian helicopter make? wop wop wop wop. I disliked growing up in the south due to their habit of calling a son with the same name as his fathert, little so and so. You see, my fathers name was Dick and that meant I was answering to little Dick at the same time puberty hit. OMG I am so offended at me for saying that about me. Some times I will laugh at myself for no reason other than to see why so many others enjoy it, so much.
  
  Arguing with some people on here is like running a race in the special olympics. YThey may win but in the end, ytheir still a retard. I am about as politically correct as Palin is correct for politics.
  
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How was the Family Guy bit insulting to Trig? It didn't even seem insulting to Sarah.
  
  And as for Bill Maher - he's a comedian, and an un-PC one at that. He seemed to be insulting Fox News viewers, not Trig (or, again, Sarah).
  
  Neither of them were bashing Trig. Including the fact that he has Down syndrome is not taunting him for his disability.
  
  Contrast this with Limbaugh's taunt of a 12-year-old Chelsea, calling her the White House dog, or with Beck's taunt of Malia Obama, calling her stupid.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess it's a matter of opinion, LL, but I thought Maher's comment was over the line. And even Huffpo refers to Family Guy as "mocking" Trig:
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/1 … 62522.html
  
  As for your comment about Chelsea, I fully agree with you and already stated that I didn't like how Amy Carter and Chelsea were mocked. Wow. Beck's statement was terrible! I think you already know my feelings about Beck.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it's a matter of perspective, I guess. I could see it from your perspective, too, although I felt that the butt of his joke was really FNC watchers. Maher says a lot of stuff that could be clearly considered "un-PC" (offensive to some).
  
  HuffPo is really a bit of a liberal version of Drudge Report (i.e. a controversy-stoking rag...) And Beck will say or do anything for ratings. I swear he (and Limbaugh) will eventually be exposed as not believing a single thing they say, and that they said/did everything just to get better ratings.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beck. For all his diatribe about what is right, he doesn't make a very good Christian, and even a worse Mormon. And I have a right to say that because I love my Mormon relatives. Many of them are wonderful people. Beck is a mockery to what is good because of his twisted perception of what is "right."
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Thank you for your honesty, Stump. You are not alone in laughing at un-PC jokes!

I had to reassure myself which baby boy Palin was Trig vs. Tripp. I stumbled upon this and had to share it. It is too funny!

Tripp Palin's Name Explained
Posted by Brett Singer

Bristol and Levi Palin - I mean, Levi Johnston and his fiance Bristol Palin - named their kid Tripp.Curious about the choice of Tripp for Bristol Palin's newborn son?

Laura Wattenberg ("The Baby Name Wizard"), told the Chicago Tribune that Bristol wanted to go with a "tr" name to go along with her brothers Track and Trig. That's speculation, of course, but it seems like as good a theory as any.

According to Wattenberg, adding the extra "p" is unusual – Trip with one p is "more traditional," and is a "preppy-style nickname for a 'third,' like the popular name Trey." The extra p usually makes it a surname, says Wattenberg, like Linda Tripp. Remember her? Wattenberg says that Bristol "is doubtless too young" to recall the woman who secretly taped her phone calls with Monica Lewinsky. I can't imagine anyone would name their child after Linda Tripp, especially making the choice to shift a last name to a first name. Although I guess if you really hated Bill Clinton, that might motivate someone to do it. I'd probably pick "Star", after Ken, but drop the extra R.

I didn't really think about how my kids' name would go together, although many families do. Melvin Van Peebles gave all of his children names that started with M, that way the initials would always be MVP. And George Foreman named all of his kids… George.

Anyway, here's the deal with the name, according a naming expert:

- Bristol probably wanted to continue with names that started with "tr".
- the extra P is unusual.
- it's a preppy name
- it means "third", like Trey.
- the name was probably not chosen to honor Linda Tripp.

I really wonder if these baby name gurus are just making stuff up as they go along. But hey, it's a tight economy, and work is work.

So there you have it!
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty sad picking on babies!
  Hope you feel real good about yourself.
  They did not choose their mothers. What kind of heartless mean person would purposely make fun of a child with a disability? Guess it's all right if it's about someone you hate so much.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  now, now, remember, attacks like this are part of the freedom of speech line of reasoning the right was using, just, the other day, you probably remember it well as it was just, the other day. Just the other day. I swear it was just the other day. Now if I could remember what that line is from, I would be able to stop wondering about it.
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  Stump Parrishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you are referring to MM's comments, it seemed to me like she was making fun of the kid's mother.
  
  So people should not be picked on or made fun of because of the way they are born, Right. Does that also apply to conservative Christians and the way they treat homosexual men, women, boys, and girls?
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He (Mr Singer) was making fun of Bristol's baby's name - Tripp - not Sarah Palin's baby with Down Syndrome, Trig.
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