I've just served Hubpages with 6 DMCA notices...

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   This makes me angry. Six weeks ago I flagged two hubs which were copied from my own hubpages, in the second flag I said something like "you know what, all of his hubpages are stolen from other hubbers, please delete this account".
   
   I just realised that these hubs HAVE NOT been removed. Why, therefore, should I bother hopping? Or flagging? I'll leave it to you lot.
   
   I have just spent 20 minutes serving hubpages with 6 DMCA complaints, all from this same user. This is why I think that a shock to the system is GOOD for Hubpages in the long run.
   
   It felt strange, but it had to be done.
   
   UPDATE: The team jumped on it, deleted the users hubs and the account, case solved. Apology given, apology duly accepted, case solved.

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      Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am curious how the Hub got published in the first place?

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      2besureposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It takes a while to send the link to Google for it to be investigated.  HubPages can not delete someones account.  When someone plagiarized your work, you should contact Google first, with the proof of the dated your work was originated. If the person is a constant offender, his Google account will be banned. I know it is difficult, but you have to prove to Google that you are the original author.  Hope you get the situation resolved soon.

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         ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

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            sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            fo sure , tobesure!

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            2besureposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Ryan, it is not necessary to be rude, because you don't agree with me or you feel my information is not correct.  That was the procedure the writers at eHow had to go through when our work was stolen.  I still hope you situation is resolved quickly.

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               ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I wasn't being rude, I was being factual.
               
               What do Google have to do with a Hubpage? By all means email Google when you find a copied Hubpage, they will laugh at you.
               
               What do Google do after you have contacted them? Go on, entertain me. So, after I contact Google to tell them that a fellow hubber has stolen by Hubpage, what happens next?
               
               Do Google file a DMCA request to Hubpages for me? I can dream.
               
               If you want a loaf of bread where do you go? The baker. If you want a pound of mince where do you go? The butcher. If I want a hubpage removed from Hubpages I can tell you that I most definitely don't go to Google.

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                  2besureposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  This is what I was referring to.  http://www.google.com/support/blogger/b … fringement

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                     ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     You have linked the contact form to report stolen content on Google Blogger and site.google.com.
                     
                     At no stage did I mention Google sites or Google blogger in my original post.
                     
                     I am referring to content which has been stolen and hosted on Hubpages. Do you understand now?

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                        2besureposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I stand corrected.  Again, I still hope you get justice.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               2besure, the procedure is wrong.
               
               First of all, it's irrelevant to this example, because Ryan was reporting that one of his Hubs had been copied on HubPages itself.  Clearly, it would be stupid for a HubPages member to go complaining to Google about something that can be resolved in-house.
               
               Second of all, if you find one of your articles copied on another site, Google should not be your first resort.  Your first resort is to issue a notice to the webmaster, and give them a chance to remove the offending articles.  If they don't respond within a reasonable time, then you complain to Google.
               
               It's considered etiquette to give the webmaster a chance before destroying their livelihood...
               
               However, if they're obviously a spammer rather than just a misguided newbie, you might go straight to Google as Nelle suggests!

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hubpages can delete Hubber accounts who steal content from other Hubbers. And, that's what I think Ryan is dealing with.

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         Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did you not read the part where Ryan said the Copied hubs are on Hubpages? So, Hubpages can delete the account!

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      pauldeedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      When you flag a hub it says just below the button at the bottom:
      
      Copyright violation?If this Hub copies content owned by you without your permission, please follow these instructions for filing a DMCA request.
      
      We require a valid complaint in order to remove something under the DMCA, and we respond to DMCA notices typically in less than 24 hours.   Simply flagging something is not sufficient.  If you flag it we will review the hub for compliance with our rules, and we may be able to unpublished on that basis, but that's not nearly as strong as sending the proper notice.

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         ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         OK cheers Paul, I did notice that this time (hence the DMCA requests).
         
         It just felt a bit strange sending Hubpages a DMCA for the removal of a copied Hubpage, but no sweat.
         
         It would be good if the duplicate content filter could pick up internally copied content though (or indeed, identify this at publishing stage).
         
         As no duplicate content will be permitted in the near future, I assume that your system will be configured to notice such instances of theft?
         
         Cheers for the mug by the way, the exact right size for my coffee machine

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            IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Hey why did you get a mug and the rest of us didn't? Have you joined the Elite?

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               ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Because I flew 5700 miles, hopped onto a San Francisco tram, got lost for a while, and then wandered into their office I got a couple of t-shirts and a mug, which clearly beat my plan of stealing a Hubpages branded pen or mousemat
               
               I do have a hubpage on that actually, its called 'Hubpages HQ' if you want to check it out.

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                  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Just call me Dora in future
                  
                  Edit: it was Dora? film..Finding Nemo?

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                     ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     What does that mean? Is that a Scottish phrase?

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                        IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Cross post...short-term memory loss - forgot you were out there!

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                           ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Lol, I did google it, but was still none the wiser
                           
                           The mug is ace (not wanting to make anybody jealous), the hubpages team have their names on theirs I believe.

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                     rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     It's Dory. I've seen it so many times..
                     
                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqDZf3sm … re=related

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                        IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Duh! *slaps head*
                        
                        Of course it is Dory - loved that character - didn't mean to become her!

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            Maddie Ruudposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Indeed, we will now be unpublishing all Hubs that are duplicated at the time of publication (either within HubPages or externally), going forward.

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               ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Tremendous, I look forward to it

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      CARIBQUEENposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It is good that you were justified. I can imagine how irritating it was for you to see duplicated material from other hubs. Lazy and dishonest persons are prone to do this.

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   Hauntyposted 13 years ago

   EXACTLY! Two days ago I reported a troll who's been harassing hubbers on their hubs. Provided links to look into etc. He is still there, doing the same.

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      Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Gee, if they ignore their own Elite, what chance do us peasants have of being noticed? 

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         Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Uncouth lout! Why am I even bothering with your aweless response to my fabulous remark! Have you no respect for the Elite of the place?!

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         j4funposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You're right. This cracks me up. LOL. I kinda feel sorry for the HubPages office though. I mean one week they're being praised to the heavens, then the next week they're being publically slammed and dumped on by the same ones they make elites. Unbelievable.

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Do you understand what an elite is?
            
            And, would you not be angry with the events described in the original post?

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               j4funposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               LOL. Sure I do. I'm using a lower case "e". I'm using it in terms of the definition as, "those being selected as the best". Some people believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I say elite is in the eye of the beholder.
               
               Regarding your 2nd question: A little more patience and gratitude would go a long way. I mean for goodness sakes man, HubPages has bent over backwards for you. What are you complaining for? You're in better shape than many others. Perhaps you should cut them a little slack with all they have going on right now. Talk about biting the hand that pats you on the head. LOL.

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                  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  And you would be wrong, just like Ryan thought you were.
                  
                  Elite is something labeled to specific hubbers who do certain things for the Hubpages Community. They are not the "best" as you might think.
                  
                  Hence, Ryan was right, you didn't know what "Elite" stood for within the Hubpages Community. But, nice try.

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                     j4funposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     It's amazing how you "jump" and don't read 1st. Duh! I know what the HubPages "Elite" program is. I said I was using it in my comment as the definition I gave.
                     
                     Please pay attention. Duh!

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                        ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        "those being selected as the best"
                        
                        No, you clearly didn't. If you do, as I suspect you now do, what problem do you have with the elite team?
                        
                        It WAS the wrong word for them to use, as this problem was inevitable. But when one delves into the reasons for recognition it is obvious that they are worthy of recognition in some form.
                        
                        Elite is a horrible world, hubpages 'Superstars' would have been better, but that is hardly their fault is it? As far as I am aware they cannot opt-out of the 'e'.

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                           Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I requested to have my "e" taken down and it was.

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                              ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Fair enough, still isn't the fault of the 'elite' people though.
                              
                              It was the wrong word, but recognition isn't unjustified in itself

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                              KCC Big Countryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              So did I.  I'd rather not have the label.  I'm still who I am without it, but have a lot less hassles.

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                                 ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 It shouldn't be that way though, that says a lot about some of the people on here

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                        Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Please pay attention?
                        
                        That is one of the dumbest things to say to me.

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                  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Exactly, you have proved my point. You have absolutely no idea what an 'elite' member is. The truth is that they have much MORE right to complain than you or me. Whoever you may be behind that false identity.
                  
                  How much more patient? How long should the Hubpages team get to remove copied hubs, in light of Flixya, Squidoo and Yahoo Answers all complying with my DMCA request within 12 hours a few days ago?
                  
                  Six weeks is far longer than one should expect and you damn well know it. Although I suspect that I would have been waiting forever, the flag is not in a queue... it was ignored. That was pre-slap of course, I suspect and hope that we will be seeing something different.
                  
                  Holding up better than most? Pah, what 75% of my income gone? Good one. I've been just as affected as everybody else, seeing as relativity is the only measure.

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                     j4funposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     LOL. Whine. whine, whine. I need to get out my violin. Such a sad, sad, pathetic story.
                     
                     Anyway, I'm glad you got your problem solved. The whining was becoming almost unbearable. Now you can go suck on your thumb or little binky until the next catastrophe occurs.

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                        ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't tend to get wound up my anonymous trolls so any attempt to evoke anger or an argument is going to fail.
                        
                        I would be happy to have it out with your real account though, fancy it?

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                           j4funposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           sniff, sniff. You binky is waiting for you. LOL. Pathetic.

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                              ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              

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                              Sufidreamerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Aw, Bless - yet another brave little keyboard warrior hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. Aren't you just adorable.

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                                 Karandaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Aw that's so cute.

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            Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            "Elites" refers to a number of distinct elite groups, otherwise the plural of "elite" is "elite". Just saying.

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               ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Of course, only 'elite' people are intelligient enough to understand that. Superiority and all that

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                  Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Lol, alright. I think I was helping. When I make a mistake I would want it to be pointed out to me.
                  
                  As for HubPages elitism, everyone needs a place where they can feel superior.

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   LOL At least hub hopping keeps people busy and postpones the moment when they start asking tough questions

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      Mutiny92posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      **There goes something shiny**
      
      I forgot what I was going to say, now!

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      Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Nah!  There have already been some tough questions asked, Misha.

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         Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         These questions don't have enough quorum, yet. Everybody is busy with hopping. The burning question is whether to flag poetry or not.

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            Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Or decorum! 

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               Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               LOL Your posts have enough of decorum, and you are one of the toughest questioners

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   I emailed Seth from Squidoo the other day by the way, it took him an hour to delete a copied lens and freeze the users account.
   
   A case of a lesson already learnt by Squidoo which is now, slowly, being learnt by Hubpages?
   
   I hope that they learn it.

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      oceansnsunsetsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I hope they do too, as all this is pretty horrifying.  I didn't realize this level of stealing and publishing copied content was going on, add to that they are making money off of others content.
      
      Its kind of necessary this be nipped in the bud....  Its troublesome to even hear about this.

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   Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

   Good Luck with that Ryan ,of course you relise now that elusive 'e' might just be harder to attain now buddy lol
   
   
   How do know when your work gets copied or stolen outright?
   Depressing.

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   pylos26posted 13 years ago

   Yep…everyone needs a status where they can call Ole Ron  “a pigheaded bastard” with impunity.

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   UPDATE: The team jumped on it, deleted the users hubs and the account, case solved. Apology given, apology duly accepted, case solved.

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   Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

   Ryan I'm sure a DMCA (not to mention six) gets a lot faster track than a flag from hopping.
   
   BTW I always do go the Google route, because copycats just move on to another venue and continue copying you. Go to Google, get their adsense account deleted and they're usually gone for life.
   
   Anyways I've had pretty good luck with G.

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What contact form or email address do you use for that Nelle? I may try it with a blogger blog.
      
      My DMCA requests with Google ALWAYS get ignored, which is frustrating.

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         rmrposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ryan, I usually contact the thief first. If that doesn't work, then I use this form- https://www.google.com/adsense/support/ … _complaint

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         Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I've only done it twice but it worked both times.

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   Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

   Hi KCC - I hope you got some clicks and kaching today.

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      KCC Big Countryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Nelle.  I finally got 1 click yesterday. None over the weekend and none today so far.  My traffic is almost back to normal, but the zero clicks is killing me.  Unless something extraordinary happens, I won't make payout for the first time in over a year.

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    Joy56posted 13 years ago

    What is the weather like in good old Manchester Ryan...... It is Sunny today, but on Thursday, Paddy's daY, i hear there is snow.... wonder if someone will turn it green. 
    
    nice to see you have not lost your fighting spirit.  I have not been around for a while, as my dad passed away in January, thinking of getting down to some writing again now.... cheers you all/.

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry to hear about your father Brenda.
       
       But, I don't live anywhere near Manchester   And I never did, I was in Yorkshire.
       
       I am now in Norfolk, which is where I am from, and the weather is OK... I didn't even need to put the heating on yesterday

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          Joy56posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          oh yeah sorry, I forgot you were at Sheffield Uni, at one time weren't you......  In the context of hub pages, Sheffield and Manchester are pretty close, but i kbow what you mean.
          
          No heating here today either, very sunny.... So What took you to Norfolk, is it nice living there.

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

    You're wrong Marissa. I make my entire living online. This isn't a hobby. People who copy my work are scum. I call my lawyer, who specialized intellectual property rights, and he nails them. Their G account is the first stop and then any other affiliate program they've got on a site. Period. It pisses me off so badly, I can't think straight when it happens. So its worth every penny. They're toast.
    
    I've learned the hard way that it's not worth the backlinks or any of the other nice things I used to think. Making money online is a war, between G and the spammers and scrapers. Things have changed alot recently and I'm in this for the long haul.

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       Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Wow!  You've got some kinda moxie, Hoxie! 

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       Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I'm too nice for my own good, I guess.  However, a few times I've contacted the webmaster of the site, and they've agreed to publish a taster and a link to the original instead of my whole article.  Usually you can tell they're just some misguided newbie who's been listening to the wrong kind of advice - I politely explain to them why it's a waste of time to copy other people's content and they appreciate it.

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          rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I do the same, depending on what kind of site it is. I had a hub show up on a Cape Cod preschool site, (with no ads), and I let her know that she could keep part of the first paragraph with a link to the original article, or I would need to file a DMCA. I saw no reason to do that in this case, and she apologized and complied. So now I have a nice link, and the article is helping parents.

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       Pandoras Boxposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I agree. I don't have a lawyer, but I agree.
       
       Give a thief a second chance, a free pass, a smile and a gentle reminder? Um, no. I see no need for that.
       
       Hang 'em high, for all the other thieves to see and be warned. It's their unethical practices that mess stuff up for all of us.

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    I don't want to be in your shoes Nelle...

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       lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I don't want to be in the shoes of the person who copies Nelle.

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    saltposted 13 years ago

    Good work. Good when things are resolved for the better!
    
    Note too a comment on one forum I had which someone said something
    that I thought was in appropriate about little boys. That hadnt been deleted either. I may have been the only one to be concerned about how it was written, yet I thought it was worth noting.

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    Pandoras Boxposted 13 years ago

    I see your points, Rebekah and Marisa, and concede your greater sense of charity, but I have a hard time believing that people don't realize their theft is a theft. I confess I'm probably wrong about that though, people are amazingly stupid. I'm more inclined to believe however, that they just figured they'd get away with it, and then play dumb when they don't.
    
    No patience for such games.

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