"Christian love"; explained

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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
paarsurrey wrote:

What is Christian Love

Paul and the Church founded the Christian Religion; and it started by a fiction; the Father Killing a Son; so cruelty is the theme of the Christian Religion; not love.

Love is just to allure the common people to the fold of the Church or churchianity.

Jesus had got nothing to do with this religion that Paul and the Church founded while Jesus had gone to India after when he escaped from a cursed killing on the cross; in Jesus' absence they started this misnomer in his name"Christ", only to mislead the people.

Just Curious wrote:

Um, if the OP said something like 'what makes one an Ahmadi muslim' that would be a pretty good answer.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/71883?p … ost1570334
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did they have malls in india then? Cause if they didn't Reo would be better.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Paar you lie here with that reference. The exact quote was that you weren't addressing the question asked by the OP. Is it the teaching of your faith to lie? This appears to be the point you are making. I suppose since most religionists agree that if a person lies they cannot be a prophet of a god; I would assume it would follow that if the philosophy included a belief that it is ok for the followers to lie, that makes the false prophet a lier also? I don't know. Seems to me that follows. What do you think?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In jesus' absence.... LOL.. obviously jesus has some power to "escape the cross" as you put it paar... so how come jesus allowed himself to be absent while this misnomer of christianity was being perpetuated by paul and the church.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was a Son of Man/woman; he had no power.
  
  So Paul and the Anti-Christ flourished; though Jesus has forwarned the sheep beforhand of Paul's nasty doings:
  
  "Paul of Tarsus: A wolf in sheeps clothing
  
  While he was alive, In the flesh, Jesus warned us to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
  
  Jacob prophesied: "Benjamen shall ravin as a wolf ". Jesus warned us to beware of Benjamites entering into the sheepfold.
  
  Sheep do not kill. Wolves do. Jesus warned us to beware of killers who enter into the church and teach doctrines of killing and sacrifice.
  
  He also told us to beware of the leavenof the Pharisees. Leaven takes a small measure of grain and greatly expands it. When Jesus fed the 5000 in the wilderness he showed us a living parable of the leaven of the Pharisees. He handed out a few loaves and fishes, representing his few commandments, and when they returned to him, they had multiplied and expanded into 12 baskets full of refuse, unusable doctrine.
  
  Paul was a Pharisee, of the tribe of Benjamen, a self confessed murderer of the saints, who greatly expanded upon the words of Christ. He was the one Jesus warned us about. He taught many things that Christ did not teach.
  
  John went out with Paul, to try him, and when he saw Paul do the works of darkness, and curse and blind a man, John parted company with him. He understood that Christ came to give men sight, not to blind them. He understood that Paul did the works of darkness, and not the works of light.
  
  Paul laments that ALL the churches of Asia have rejected him. The book of Revelation is written to the 7 churches of Asia, that rejected Paul, and one letter says: I know you have tried them that say they are apostles but are not, and you have found them liars.
  
  Pauls doctrine is his own, and not Christ's, neither can these two gospels be reconciled."
  
  http://inthenameofheaven.blogspot.com/2 … thing.html
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was going to respond to this...then I saw that it was just more nonsense from paarsurrey
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Christian say "God is love"; this expression is not from Jesus; why publicise it as a core Christian belief then?
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, what about the conversation on the false prophet mohamed. You promised we'd talk.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Love has different connotations and meaning; not very suitable to explain realtionship between the Creator-God and the human beings.
  
  The better word is mercy or grace:
  
  [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=1
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As I told you paar. As long as you leave this thread here I will ask you, on every post, to explain your ideas on the false prophet mohamed. You promised we would talk.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mohammed is not a false prophet. There are only false understandings to what he said because some bozo began imposing his understanding on another and declared it law.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You cannot be serious. You think he was a prophet? You honestly believe the angel Gabriel spoon fed him the words of the quran? I'm afraid I don't buy that.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. I think he had a role in that part of the world in their context. A prophet is a messenger. Now we may not agree with the message because we are not in that mindset, but at the time mohammed brought order to the beduoins.
  
  "Gabriel spoon-fed him"
  
  Gabriel is angel of truth. Truth spoon-fed Mohammed. He spoke from what was true to him.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would disagree with your whole post, on several levels; but that is neither here nor there. 'Truth' is certainly a word used in fascinating contexts. Thanks for sharing an interesting take on the subject.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you can disagree of course but i will belabor that a belief in a prophet denotes a belief in tadah a God that actually chooses real prophets.
  
  I define prophet as they are in mundane terms, a man with a message he believes came from God that offers transcendence.
  
  How could you say Jesus is a real prophet and Mohammed not.When Jesus is supposedly NOT a prophet but a son of G-d. Buddha is not a prophet because he is an ascended master.
  
  As a matter of fact, Mohammed is a prophet, like Isaiah because he bears a message from G-d.
  
  Jesus and Buddha however are masters. They are God in man. Do you see the distinction?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not actually saying anyone is a prophet. I simply thought you were using the term prophet as it is normally defined. I was somewhat shocked you considered Mohamed to fit the bill. If you define it this way, ok. Sounds more than reasonable.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well it is your mistake or your misunderstanding. You should not deny the greatest of them:
  
  "Not possible to refuse Muhammad rationally: Analyzing William Montgomery Watt"
  
  William Montgomery Watt called Muhammad, may peace be on him, 'one of the greatest sons of Adam,' he regarded the Holy Quran as divinely inspired, though not infallible, yet he continued to be an apologist for Christianity all his life. Is there any rational way to reconcile Watt's views?
  
  The more we study Watt and other reasonable Christian Orientalists, it seems that only way to deny prophethood of Muhammad, is to have an irrational animosity against him, like the medieval Christians or a deceptive approach of constantly shifting sands! Propping up necessary illusions against the greatest champion for humanity and propaganda seem to be the only way to sustain denial of Muhammad. This Google Knol is dedicated to analyzing person and writings of William Montgomery Watt.
  
  Any interpretation of individual incidents of the prophet Muhammad's life that is not consistent with his well established achievements and well documented developments of his life, completely violates the principles of history. It is an obligation of every historian to give the readers a plausible and a consistent account of the person they write about. Unfortunately, when it comes to the Holy Prophet Muhammad, many Christian writers are unable to rise above the centuries of medieval prejudices against him that the Catholic Church had cultivated in the times of crusades. This introduces numerous contradictions in their writings and in my opinion William Montgomery Watt is a prime example of this phenomenon.
  
  If my knols are boring to you, it may be that you need to read more of them, as was suggested by John Cage, "If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all."
  http://knol.google.com/k/not-possible-t … mery-watt#
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's a long post paar. Like I said, if we are defining prophet as a guy with an idea like she said, then, sure. Why not? mohamed was definitely a guy with an idea. Happy?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Prophets are not with an idea from themselves; they have a Message from the Creator-God; like Noah or Jonah.
  
  Muhammad has also a Message from the Creator-God; though one can deny that; no compulsion.
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  thebrucebeatposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Neither Noah nor Jonah were considered prophets.
  Just sayin'.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  On what grounds? Please
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  thebrucebeatposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In the bible there are the major and minor prophets. Being prophetic, in biblical terms, was bringing a message of admonishment to the people of God. They were there to correct a people that were going off the rails. Neither of the people you mentioned were considered one of the prophets of the bible.
  You may define prophet differently than the bible does, and that's fine. I'm just saying that using these two instead of, say, Isaiah or Malachi, to mention just a couple, will cause some strict bible adherents to wince.
  Personally, you name whoever you like and the earth will still turn for me.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are no major or minor prophets; the important issue is ; are they sent with a Message from the Creator-God? If yes, then they are prophets messengers of Him. There are Law bearing prophets like Moses and there are prophets who are not Law bearing like Jesus who follow the Law of Moses; but every one is truthful:
  
  [2:254] These Messengers have We exalted, some of them above others: among them there are those to whom Allah spoke; and some of them He exalted by degrees of rank. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and strengthened him with the Spirit of holiness. And if Allah had so willed, those that came after them would not have fought with one another after clear Signs had come to them; but they did disagree. Of them were some who believed, and of them were some who disbelieved. And if Allah had so willed, they would not have fought with one another; but Allah does what He desires.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=253
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know.I kind of like the guy with an idea definition. Seems to fit better. It just works better for me. Sounds like a realistic definition of the word. And you know, I've been thinking about it. The truth is, words have so many definitions and we seem to get confused when we're talking, so I've decided to use a specific definition for words that cause confusion.
  
  Mohamed was definitely a guy with an idea.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Notwithstanding the later sentence mentioned above; one could improve the definition:
  
  Noah or Noe
  
  From Quran:
  
  [10:72] And recite unto them the story of Noah, when he said to his people, ‘O my people, if my station with God and my reminding you of your duty through the Signs of Allah offend you — and in Allah do I put my trust — muster then all your designs, you and your ‘partners’; then let not your course of action be obscure to you; then carry out your designs against me and give me no respite.
  [10:73] ‘But if you turn back, remember, I have not asked of you any reward. My reward is with Allah alone, and I have been commanded to be of those who are resigned to Him.’
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=71
  
  Noah or Noe
  From Bible
  
  [11] And the earth was corrupted before God, and was filled with iniquity. [12] And when God had seen that the earth was corrupted (for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth,) [13] He said to Noe: The end of all flesh is come before me, the earth is filled with iniquity through them, and I will destroy them with the earth. [14] Make thee an ark of timber planks: thou shalt make little rooms in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without. [15] And thus shalt thou make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits: the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
  http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=1& … &f=s#x
  
  So by reading the above from Quran and Bible ; pleae tell us if Noah had an idea from his own self or a Message from the Creator-God that he wanted to tell the people to save them from disaster.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought we were talking about Mohamed. What does Noah have to do with this?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is for the definition of a prophet or messenger.
  
  Muhammad had not intention or idea until the Creator-God chose him to deliver a message to the people; like He chose Noah or Jonah.
  
  So Muhammad was a truthful prophet like Noah or Jonah or any other before him:
  
  [46:10] Say, ‘I am no new Messenger, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you in this life. I do but follow what is revealed to me; and I am but a plain Warner.’
  [46:11] Say, ‘Tell me, if this is from Allah and you disbelieve therein, and a witness from among the children of Israel bears witness to the advent of one like him, and he believed, but you are too proud, how should you fare?’ Verily, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=9
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said. Mohamed was a guy with an idea. Yours is just a flowery mythological way of saying it. It's like my names mean gift from the goddess of wine. No one would honestly believe a goddess gave me to my parents. That would be crazy.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  If you insist on the word idea; then the idea was from the Creator-God; He chose Muhammad with a Word from His mouth to deliver it to the people.
  
  The idea came from the Creator-God; Muhammad was not self-motivated; he just obeyed Him.
  
  Muhammad was a truthful, selfless prophet.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, you are adding on to what I said. I don't know that I could agree with that now. I get lots of ideas. I'm pretty sure it doesn't make me a prophetess.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  REALLY?
  I thought he was VERY selfish.
  How many wars did he fight in, (that he started?)
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mohammed was not selfless. How many wives did he have? The hadith says he hit them.
  
  Oh, and one of them was SIX years old.
  
  Mohammed was a bigotted, sexist, pedofile.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those passages have been abrogated by verses in Suras 9 and 5.
  A bit like the bible really, the quoran back peddles only when something stops working for it's disciples.
  
  It is only a short time since the other religions were murdering unbelievers and burning witches.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its probably only going to be a short time until ugandan christians START murdering gay people legally. They do it illegally now even though it is not enforced but they're tring to legalise the death sentence for gays.
  
  All thanks to the bible.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Christians are killing muslims in Nigeria as we speak, it's been going on for years.
  http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_ … eria.shtml
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.persecution.org/2011/03/04/u … g-attacks/
  
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … hristians/
  
  So, your point is?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My point is that the major religions kill each other and espouse the same type of hate as each other and participate in murder.
  Call me crazy, I don't see the loving in murder.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Seems like a re-run of the Crusades, Earnest. What else is new. Christian v. Muslim v. Jew v. Atheist v. Jung v. Spaghetti Monster v. Flying Goat Star v. Politically Correct Environmentalist. Sadly, it seems humanism still is the object of affection --that and Western force fed capitalism (emphasis on Ism ©™)
  
  James.
  
  A good read is Neil Gaiman's American Gods, as well as, Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As you would suspect, I have read Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. I see little conflict between Jung and atheism, and out of the rest of that lot, I'll go for the noodles James.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Timothy Donnellyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Paarsurrey, from the Scriptures you have used from the Old Testament Bible, Noah was told what to do by God - to build an ark, not to (further) waste his time with the wicked people who had already decided to follow corruption. God had made a decision, and He carried it out through His servant (and child) Noah.
  What the Islamic Scripture says, seems to be different, because why would God have to "convince" an already obedient servant?
  I think He strived with the other wicked ones (even also through Noah) to warn them of their paths of destruction for some time, but "the Spirit will not always strive with man" (2nd Nephi 26:11) ... Eventually, God takes the action (or causes the action) upon the souls who would frustrate His plans (for His children - because He needs nothing). Therefore, the record of the Great Flood is evidence (a sign) of a God who will not be mocked, and will not allow His plans to be frustrated.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please read the verses again and then substantiate you viewpoint.
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  Timothy Donnellyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're right, I read it wrong. Mohammed did there what he was told. I may have gotten the notion from reading your statement at the bottom. In hindsight though, I think it would be Good to plead to God to have more patience with the wicked. I think if one was righteous in God's eyes, he would grant him that, maybe somehow. What do you think?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well yes, if one were to be so puerile in character and elementary in thinking, they may very well deny that Muhammad's words were the words of Allah based entirely on an "irrational animosity or illusions and propaganda" however, many choose also to invoke logic, reason, rationale, evidence, critical thinking and a host of other tools in analyzing the claims and words of Muhammad, none of which were mentioned.
  
  Really? I would therefore call into question, based on that claim, all Muslims whoever wrote about Muhammad, the Quran, Hadiths, etc. and any "medieval prejudices" they too may have cultivated.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate your post.
  
  Thanks
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How are we to rationalize this contradiction?
  
  What does your mindset have to do with anything? As you say, "Gabriel is angel of truth. Truth spoon-fed Mohammed."
  
  In other words, they were words of truth from a god delivered by an angel, hence are words you must live by if you believe in gods.
  
  If you use the argument that your mindset does not agree with those words, then you are disagreeing with the words of a god and are hence sinning.
  
  How do you justify your dilemma without invoking what you want to believe as opposed to what you are supposed to believe as ordered by gods?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  once again, you miss the point. I am explaining symbology while you are wrangling about god this and god that.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Presenting an obvious contradiction in terms of explaining "symbology" or explaining five pin bowling would make accepting your take on symbolism or bowling that much less valid.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So paar, exactly when did you realize Jama'at Ahmadiyya wasn't anything other than a simple guy. Was that before, or after, you declared Mohamad was no prophet? Do tell the whole story. I'm curious.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It seems he'd rather answer himself than you.
  
  He's the only one i've seen who answers his own posts. Probably trying to restart a thread everyone else is ignoring, or over.
  
  I personally wish he'd comment on his own religion, than telling all christians how wrong the Bible is, and such.
  I've told him so, but never got a reply, nor has he stopped.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and I'm tired of him taking snippets of a post and turning them into a thread completely opposite of what was said. I warned him what I would do if he didn't back down. Apparently, four cats in a window isn't threatening enough. I'm going to have to get a new avatar.
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, four cats don't really seem all that threatening, just_curious...lol
  
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know, but I love the picture. When I'm yakking on this forum my head has an image of all of our avatars, walking around like bobble heads talking to each other. The cats make me laugh when they're talking, so I can't really change them.
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think I'm gonna make my avatar my sassy teenage cat, Po. He's also known as John Cougar Mellencat on occasion, depending on his mood! If I catch him at the right angle, I can get him to look fierce!
  
  *bobble, bobble*
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've been trying to get a good shot of my puppy for am avatar, but the camera won't do him justice.
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  mecheilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  
  being gracious and merciful are two characteristics of god that is brought about by love.
  
  by the way paar, don't you know that allah is not even god's personal name, but simply another term for "god".
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Creator-God has let us know His name and His attributes very clearly; Bible has failed in it though:
  
  [20:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  [20:2] Ta Ha.
  [20:3] We have not sent down the Qur’an to thee that thou shouldst be distressed,
  [20:4] But as an exhortation for him who fears God,
  [20:5] And a revelation from Him Who created the earth and the high heavens.
  [20:6] He is the Gracious God Who has settled Himself on the Throne.
  [20:7] To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, and whatsoever is between them, and whatsoever is beneath the moist subsoil.
  [20:8] And if thou speakest aloud, it makes no difference, for He knows the secret thought and what is yet more hidden.
  [20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.
  [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  [25 or 6 to 4] Ta Da.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please quote or give correct references; I don't get it.
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  Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is not from Jesus like I said:
  
  [6] We are of God. He that knoweth God, heareth us. He that is not of God, heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. [7] Dearly beloved, let us love one another, for charity is of God. And every one that loveth, is born of God, and knoweth God.
  
  [8] He that loveth not, knoweth not God: for God is charity.
  
  [9] By this hath the charity of God appeared towards us, because God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we may live by him. [10] In this is charity: not as though we had loved God, but because he hath first loved us, and sent his Son to be a propitiation for our sins.
  1st Epistle Of Saint John Chapter 4
  http://www.drbo.org/chapter/69004.htm
  
  It is manipulation from Protestant Church.
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  Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Charity is the pure love of Christ." -Moroni 7:47
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Neither from the OT nor from the NT.
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  Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's quite the stumbling block, isn't it.
  The passage with it's complete and accurate translation as dictated by a prophet of God who supports the new testament in it's entirety.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Especially when so many "Christians" are so hate-filled!
  Judgemental and mean. Taunting and petty. Spiteful, without class.
  They talk the talk only. They do not enter the narrow way. Use the name, ignore the tenants.
  
  "Love your neighbor as yourself."......when do you ever see this here?
  
  Instead, you sense a strain of real venom.
  And that is anti-thetical to Christ, isn't it?
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry you have come across many like that.
  Sadly, you are correct, this is not becoming of a one calling themselves Christian.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Hey Paar, let me ask you a question.

Nevermind "christian love"- but just Love.

I reject "christian love", because it's associated with "godly love" or "god is love" or "love comes from god", which is actually a joke.

Love itself - Teachings lead people to believe that they must love themselves before they love others, but are to love others.

Love itself - Is show in actions of the individual, it speaks about how they love themselves and how they love others.

So, that leaves me with my question- Would you die for a complete stranger?

Please remember, to do so, requires full conscious awareness of the consequences. But would you give your life up for a complete stranger?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Christian religion starts with mythical killing by a father a son;a very bad start and a role model; and then they preach love.

Is it not weird?
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No-one is interested.
  Why do you try to revive these useless threads?
  You should just write hubs. I notice you only have two.
  
  I see, you probably wouldn't get many readers. I guess that explains everything.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know? People want to know the Truth; Christianity cannot hide behind myths.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why not? Your religion does.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, you support that Christianity should live in myths. Why?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do not edit my quotes to make it appear that I said something i did not again.
  
  This is why your religion causes so many conflicts.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Write some hubs.
  That's mostly what this site is about, isn't it?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The people of Islam is also right in the thick of its myths living it as though they were literal truths. Covering the women to hide a man's lust. Banning alcohol to control man's vices. It is all external control and no internal understanding of Mohammad's teachings. Mohammad was teaching respect for women and encouraging clear-thinking. His followers misunderstood.
  
  A true muslim does not need to cover a woman's face and body.
  A true muslim would not be drunk in the presence of so much wine.
  A true muslim would see a Christian as his brother in Allah.
  
  Stop your war-mongering and be a true Muslim.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "god" I love your mind...
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hello James!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  `ello, sunshine, did you miss me?
  {{ have been busy with some techie work. whats news? }}
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  are you flirting with me James? but yes...I've been busy too, I shall tell you some time when it is done.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely! but don`t tell Ronnie
  I was in-town a few weeks back, UWS, my old stopping ground.
  New Avery Hall looks amazing! Tons of aspiring Julliard's everywhere.
  
  James.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't been...now i gotta see it.
  
  Did you know they used to call me Sunshine in college. It was nice to be called that again.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I did not know that. Nonetheless, sunshine it is
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  always a pleasure james
  (and interesting broken link...hmmm...)
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  broken link???
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  chains...links..what's up with that?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  couldn't render my photo correctly to use. jeje.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No more weird than Muhammad starting wars and his followers conquering most of the known world killing everyone in their path who didn't accept Islam.
  
  And, then they preach peace. How weird is that?
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DoubleScorpionposted 13 years ago
Not to poke the bear...but a Prophet/ess is nothing more than a "seer" who is believed to have received thier message from a divine source.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A person with a Message from the Creator-God Allah YHWH is called a messenger or prophet in the Revealed Religion:
  
  [72:27] He* is the Knower of the unseen; and He reveals not His secrets to any one,
  [72:28] Except to him whom He* chooses, namely a Messenger of His. And then He causes an escort of guarding angels to go before him and behind him,
  [72:29] That He may know that they (His Messengers) have delivered the Messages of their Lord. And He encompasses all that is with them and He keeps count of all things.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=26
  
  *The Creator-God.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is what I said. I just used simplier terms and skipped the references to religious texts.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you.
  
  Our friend "just curious" took it as if idea was the essence of your argument; message is the more proper word that is why the prophets are called messengers of the Creator-God also.
  
  Not a point of conflict
  
  Thanks and regards
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thebrucebeatposted 13 years ago
He may have had a message of correction, but noone who heard him would survive to act on them. Prophets were to bring people back to proper living. That was clearly not Noah's purpose.
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Onusonusposted 13 years ago
John 14-
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

Jesus was sent by God the FATHER for the salvation of mankind.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
What is Christian Love

Paul and the Church founded the Christian Religion; and it started by a fiction; the Father Killing a Son; so cruelty is the theme of the Christian Religion; not love.

Love is just to allure the common people to the fold of the Church or churchianity.

Jesus had got nothing to do with this religion that Paul and the Church founded while Jesus had gone to India after when he escaped from a cursed killing on the cross; in Jesus' absence they started this misnomer in his name"Christ", only to mislead the people.
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