Banned for Personal Attack?
- Emile Rposted 12 years ago
0That call isn't made by you or any other hubber. It is made by the moderator who evaluates the conversation. Baiting is also not allowed. So, if someone continues to push the conversation, then they will be banned, if the other people in the conversation were banned.
Untrue.
But, that's not how it works, as I explained before.
This is one of the problems Emile.
Forum decorum, would state that a person who posts to another person's post, then they are directly talking to that individual. If you(or them) do not respond to a specific post, then that person is actually talking to the OP or making a generalized statement in the thread.
This is not followed or understood by either moderators or hubbers.
Don't take it personally, Emile. Believe it or not, moderators here are merely human beings, and you know they are. I doubt seriously they have any experience whatsoever in determining the intent in posters minds.
Sure, sometimes a ban is called for and it is fairly obvious why it is given. Other times it makes no sense whatsoever if the thread is taken in its entirety. But there is also the "control" factor which some people cannot help but wield occasionally to reassure themselves and others they still have a certain amount of power.
Human beings, damn those uppity primates!
Take the advice given b more seasoned hubbers. Sometimes things don't seem to be fair or make sense, but be persistent in your queries to the staff. They may have had a good reason to impose the ban, but at least you can be satisfied with a more precise response. Give the moderation team some time as they are only a few of them and have to moderate thousands of posts per week.
Well, I don't think it would make sense to continue to email, if I haven't gotten a response from my other ones.
But, thanks for the advice.
Emile,
I see your frustration. I don't know what trnspired or what thread caused the ban. I have seen HP ban both parties because the conversation has been a little to heated. A 3 day ban is a cooling off period. Don't take it so hard, take it with a grain of salt. Many of us have been banned for one reason or another and the next time someone upsets you, just walk away like I do and go write for awhile.
By the way they will not ban you for expressing your thoughts and trying to gain understanding. So don't worry you will be fine.Wow.... so they actually told you why you were banned instead of just banning you multiple times with no explanation.
Not sure ,but someone said I was one ,so I can't wait to find out too
Gee I wonder if I'm one!
Being a liberal in Australia means being like a Republican in America, although the labour party has moved so far to the right it's hard to tell their policies apart.Oh ok,I thought it was Labour was more like Democrats, and National party like Republicans (thinkin NZ Politics) that is.
Just goes to show I know jack about Politics.
Can see I will have to start my own Maori Party here too
No, but there are bits and pieces in my hubs about working in Vegas, Chico and NYC as I recall, and a bit about a few weeks I had there with my then wife on a driving holiday.
I have seen a fair bit of the States and Canada and love both countries. Have you been to San Francisco yet? I loved it!
I dont know if it was the particular thread in which you were banned,but I do remember a discussion and it looked mostly between you and one other hubber.
(I did offer my 2cents ,most unusual for me)
Havent seen him about lately so hes either under another account or banned too
Anyway if that was the same thread ,I thought you handled yourself really well, and the other person came across to me as unreasonable and provocotive.
Anyway pleased ya back.As someone else pointed out it is nto necessarily the other person who reported you, it can be someone completely different just being a b!t@h and the mod not really reading it to realise it is joking around. There are a few people here who seem to be at that game frequently, some even tell me on occasion that they have reported me for a 'personal attack' when I have simply been disagreeing with them - they are invariably born again morons, christian teachers, or other extremist type.
As others have also pointed out, it si no good complaining, enquiring or even mentioning your ban as nothing ever comes of it - except maybe the mod reads it and realises that they should have read it a bit more closely, little hope of that though I would think
Maybe we could have a set of traffic lights on our account or sign in page...and if the amber lights on ,we know to 'pause' (and not speed up,like my hubby does)
Green and ya good to goHey Emile,
I was banned for calling someone "clueless", which was taken out of context. My post was a response to someone calling me a "prejudiced bigot".
So, it's subjective really. Someone can report any post and call it a "personal attack", but if the moderator doesn't agree, then nothing will happen. If the moderator agrees, then it is something that you can get banned for.
I'll give you an example of something you can be banned for, but isn't an attack or even personal- call someone "ignorant".
Being called ignorant or calling someone ignorant is something that will get you banned, but moderators fail to understand that every human being on the planet IS ignorant in some capacity. However, pointing it out to the person, is considered a "personal attack".
Hmmm. Maybe I'd better be a bit more careful - I tend to use that word rather freely in the same sense you do. Mostly in reference to myself (I am ignorant in a great many areas) but occasionally in reference to someone else.
It's rather sad when someone gets so wound up from a silly forum that they actually work at taking offense when none is offered.
I don't take offense and no one on these thread can offend me. I've already accepted their actions and expect what they bring to the table.
It is pretty sad that many people are sensitive(too much) and must feel that they have to be offended. So much for those who do get offended learning tolerance or forgiveness, as many are supposedly taught to do.
I have no need for tolerance, since I have already accepted them and what they will do.
Forgiveness? The fact that forgiveness is preached throughout the religious of the world is part of the problem. It isn't about forgiveness of those who wrong you, but it is about forgiveness of self, for putting yourself in the position in the first place.
But, yes Wilderness, do try to be more careful.
You're telling me?
I know it, I've been banned several times for supposedly "insulting" others or "personal attacks".
The person who reports the attack, doesn't even have to be in the conversation. They could be sitting on the sidelines watching the conversations and if they deem something an attack, then they can report it. That's just how it is done.
The only people who should be allowed to cry foul is the people in the conversation. So, if you were having a one on one with me, and you found something as an attack, then you should be the only person who is allowed to report it.
This is human nature and it automatically done, within every person in existence. The problem is Ego. Many do not have the ability to see past their own, which is mostly why people get offended to begin with.
Quite a bit.
Yes there are. Then again, there are some who are not rational at all, but use irrationality as their basis for rationalizing their actions.
Yes, it could, depending on the moderator who is on at the time.
But, seriously. Now I know who the culprit is. I'll get you for that, and your little dog too.
I try to be really careful as to what I say online. I get hurt feelings easily and I worry a lot about hurting others' feelings.
Usually when I write something that is not meant to be offensive, but could possibly be taken offensive, I add a smiley to it to kind of show that I mean it in the best possible way.
That said, I also worry that my smiley makes it look worse... like I AM meaning it in an offensive way and the smiley is just twisting the knife.
Sometimes those cute little smileys can look like a smug little jerk... definitely can make a man err woman mad when it's added to something rude and factual. You know?
The best thing to do, I guess, is realize that we're writing text... there's no in-person contact. I can't see the gleam in your eye when you say something sarcastically humorous. Ya' know? And there can be sooo many jerks online hiding behind a keyboard -- acting in ways they wouldn't in real life. That lack of being able to read a person's real-life reactions and the fact that there are trolls on the Internet, makes it a tough environment for us sarcastic folk.
To add to that, I want to say that I have been sarcastic in the past... I suppose "throwing it" and someone took me seriously and attacked me. This was me not being able to "take what I dish out." That said, I had dished out friendly sarcasm when a person took me seriously and bashed me. Who is at fault? Both of us. I didn't take into consideration that these are cold words on a page with no face to read. The other person misread what I'd meant and hurt my feelings. There is no real way to fix it other than clarification -- and then later, laughter about it.
I've learned that now I have to choose my words carefully, fait for me? Not really, but it does keep from accidentally hurting other people.
It sounds like a rough thing, but how I do it now is I read my stuff before posting it in a really hypersensitive way pretending I'm easily offended... then editing it to avoid any such offense.
Rambling, but I hope that kind of explains, I guess, how I deal with these kinds of situations.mebel, the first 3 o 4 inches of your post (about the smileys) has me laughing. I think that smiley-face thing is a challenge for a lot of people. I don't use the smiling one as much as I lean toward:
. That's one I feel pretty comfortable using, because I guess it's "where I'm often coming from". One I'm always torn about is: (the hideous, laughing, one). On the one hand, if I'm really thinking what I'm saying is funny to me, I want to add it (because a smiley isn't enough). On the other hand - really - no, I'm not laughing hideously to the extent that my use of that emoticon would suggest. ( ) (See what I mean? )
That whole no-tone-in-typing thing does make serious challenges sometimes. I've had times when I've done something like really try to post a thought out answer to someone's dilemma (trying to be helpful); or else when I've viewed a discussion as interesting and thought contributing substance to it was what people might enjoy - - only to have someone insinuate (or out-and-out say) that the motives behind the post were (basically) rotten or selfish ones. A lot of people do have a tendency to assume the worst of everyone but themselves. And, as you say, a sense of humor can get any number of people in trouble. (That's one of "mine" because I don't usually come across like a "wild and crazy" person.)
Most of the time I take none of what goes on here seriously at all (even if some of my posts, which I enjoy doing at the time the conversation is going on, would appear otherwise). If I'm in a bad mood I don't come here in the first place, so the only time I'm here is when I'm feeling pretty friendly towards the human race.
Everybody has his buttons that can be pushed, though. I have one; and although it's extremely, extremely, rare that someone on here (or anywhere) can effectively irk the heck out of me, it's when someone is rotten about people who haven't done anything to them and/or when someone understands so little about whoever it is he's being rotten about/aggressive toward, I think he needs some "enlightenment". The "defender of all people" and "mother instincts" come out in me, and that's when I'll get pushed into trying to "politely sit somewhere on his rear-end". As one of my close friends says, though, people don't like to be "enlightened" - and so I'm then left, after I've calmed down, embarrassed at not just ignoring something. (The worst part is, the only thing I'm ever drinking when I'm on here is coffee or else water. So, I can pretty well embarrass myself completely sober. ) The other side to that, though, is - really - if people are going to come on here and be rotten to/about others, they do have it coming.
Personally, I just think everyone who chooses to get involved in a public forum should know this stuff can go on from time to time, be a grown up and move on - and never mind banning or reporting stuff. (But, I suppose the people running a forum like this have their reasons for needing to ban.) I've often thought people ought to have little icons to add to each post to indicate "where the post is coming from" (dry humor, anger, the naive belief that having a "serious" discussion is being friendly, hatred of all long posts, hatred of all short posts, "here just for fun", etc. etc.) That didn't really have anything to do with the question, but good point anyway.
awe.. You signed up under me too
Well I vote the naughty kids bring pizza next time
OK by me. Tell me what you like on it.
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