What is creation?

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   jomineposted 12 years ago

   What is meant by "create"?
   What does anybody mean, when they say god created?
     Which one is right, Creatio ex Nihilo, Creatio ex Materia or     Creatio ex Deo?
   Is there any other creation?
   
   Any non-contradictory explanations?

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      earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I can only think of one.
      
      Goddunnit.
      
      Seems to cover all contingencies.

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         jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         

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         Rod Marsdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with earnest. Let God take responsibility. OR Just for fun you might want to look at evolution, string theory, the big bang, etc.

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      kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Creation is the way of getting something out of nothing, the causing of a particular thing to be, to exist...
      
      Anything perceptible to the human senses are not fully created but partly, this is why the physical world gives one the perception of imperfection. This is so simply because all physicall senses were designed exactly for such a situation.
      Thus it is impossible for them to perceive anything fully created.
      
      NOw there is the ultimate of all creation and this is self creation...The bringing out of nothing a particular thing of itself and by itself...
      This ultimate self creation then is known as Creator because it has created itself and is also creation because within itself lies every other created thing...
      
      There much more the understanding mind may add to see the true picture..

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         jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Can you understand that what you said is out right illogical and irrational?
         
         Nothing can self create. Self creation is a contradiction.
         Creation is an action mediated by an actor object on a target. It needs minimum of two objects. All else is poetry, good imagination, but no substance.

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            lone77starposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Jomine, can you understand that you are judging something about which you have no understanding?
            
            What you call illogical and irrational makes sense to me, because I've had some experience with creation. From all I've read of your posts, I suspect you do not believe in God. Your proclamations about Kess's description are thus like a blind man ridiculing an artist's preferential use of one color over another.
            
            Oops!

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               jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Please explain, how nothing create something or something can create itself, before it comes into existence!!

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      aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What does it mean to "create a building"?
      Or anything else that can be "created".
      We all "create" things out of materials we have access to, and are capable of manipulating into something that did not exist before we "dun it"!
      
      God took materials (?) which we don't know anything about, and created what we call our material universe, with all it's contents.
      
      It really is easy to understand.
      What we have trouble with is trying to wrap our finite (little) minds around how this could be, etc.

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         jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No problem, it just means that there was something out there(what ever that may be)for god to create. It means matter is eternal, god just re-arranged it.

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

   I cant speak for 'God', but creation is what you build with your mind. Once you cause it to manifest in the physical world with your hands, tools, machines, subcontractors, what have you, that is called making.

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   lone77starposted 12 years ago

   Jonathan's definition is good for creation from physical self.
   
   Creation from the spiritual self is one of picturing a desired end result as if it has already been done. (Motivational speakers use this technique in their goal setting sessions.)
   
   That's creation... at least the first part of it. The object created is, at this point, only a template or blueprint. It possesses no time dimension, so it has zero duration.
   
   How does a creation gain persistence (time)?
   
   The Buddhists call the next step, "allowing." Originally, I called it "letting go," when I first started to work with this. Scientologists call this "postulates" or "not know." And that works, too. You see English (in fact, any human language) is not entirely adequate to discuss this subject. The vocabulary is somewhat imperfect.
   
   The first book of the Bible calls this next step in creation, God's day of rest.
   
   So, whether you call it "resting," "allowing," "letting go," "postulating" or "not knowing," you are talking about the same thing. When you can understand how these terms are related, then you will have started to have an inkling of understanding on this subject.
   
   So, you picture it, then allow it.
   
   The only source for the creation of the physical universe can only be one that is not made of the same stuff. A rock cannot create a universe and neither can a Homo sapiens body.
   
   The Nazarene teacher talked about knowing the truth and that it would set one free. When one knows (opposite of Scientology's "not know") the truth of anything, the object seems to disappear. Why? Because by "knowing" that truth, one is taking the persistence out of it -- returning it to the original instantaneity of creation -- an infinitely thin slice of time. In the next moment, the rest of the physical universe moves from that instant, and the object appears to disappear.
   
   Beautiful in its simplicity.
   
   And creation in Genesis? The first six "days" were outside of space-time. They were the images or blueprints of physical reality. The seventh day -- God's day of rest -- has now persisted some 13.7 billion years. Enjoy!

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