Transgender
Lol!
Then the Gestapo will get their share of being attacked called perverts!
In this conversation it seems the transgressions of a very small minority are being used as an excuse to label most men as suspicious perverts. Well, the majority of us are not. Even in a unisex facility we would be there to perform a natural and normal bodily function and give everyone else present the respect we would want for ourselves.
So get with it everyone. Get comfortable with matters of sex. Discuss the subject openly and freely without building up a guilt complex. It's only problematic when you hide behind fear and hypocracy.
If you "need to go," go - and don't be afraid of ignorance. The excretary function is not to be confused with the sexual function, at least not to us normal people.The fuss is that the bathroom laws which are being passed allow any male who claims to be a woman access to women's facilities. The definition of "woman" has been watered down to the point that self declaration is all that is required to be a woman. Men who have raped women are even being housed with women in women's prisons.
When a man dresses in stereotypical women's clothing, grows his hair long, takes estrogen and gets a boob job, he is still a man. There is no such thing as changing one's sex. Men who claim to be women are still men.
Men can use men's facilities, or trans people can fight for a third set of facilities.
We've been through this before. Without a physical examination, hormone test, chromosome analysis and a verbal interview it is not possible to categorically determine someone's biological sex.
For example, this is Aydian Dowling. He is a transgender man and a model.
His biological sex assigned at birth was female.
Please explain how forcing Aydian to use the women's bathroom helps resolve the issues you mention.It is a different situation when females choose to undress with males. I don't know if Dowling showers with men or not, exposing her genitalia. If she does, it is her choice to do so. Men are generally not threatened by females in their private spaces. Historically, men were fine with women sharing their bathrooms and bathing areas. It was women who wanted to be separate from men. Women fought for sex-segregated facilities, for their privacy, modesty, safety and dignity.
But Dowling's situation is different than most other women. Typical women like me are faced with the opposite situation: men in women's private spaces -- men who obviously are men. Great for Dowling that she doesn't mind encountering men in men's public restrooms and gym locker rooms, and that men don't mind encountering her in their private facilities. But most women certainly do mind encountering guys like these men below, who are demanding to be allowed unrestricted access to women's facilities. I don't want to change clothes with these guys. I do not want to shower with these guys. I do not want to tend to toileting needs with one of these guys in the next stall. This is not unreasonable on my part.
1. Aydian Dowling's pronouns are "he", "him" and "his" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcCwegFCu38)*. Now you know that, if you continue to use the female pronoun, it indicates that you just have a problem with the existence of transgender people. I hate to break it to you, but referring to Aydian as "she" against his wishes, won't stop him, or other transgender people, existing. It will, however, make you look disrespectful, petty and narrow-minded.
2. You seem to be assuming that all transgender men have female genitalia. That's not the case. Transgender men can undergo gender reassignment surgery, so some have a penis. Again, please explain how it's helpful to force a transgender man in that situation to use the women's bathroom.
In terms of the security issue. The issue is not transgender people. The issue is men who want to spy on women.
3. The photos you posted don't help your case. Without a full medical examination, chromosome and hormone analysis, and a personal conversation, you cannot know for certain whether anyone in those photos is biologically male or female. Here's another example:
In terms of Chromosomes, all the women in that photo are males. They are biologically male because of a condition called androgen insensitivity syndrome.
In terms of gender, all the women in that photo identify as female*.
Again, please explain how it's helpful to force these women to use the men's bathroom. Also explain how it's helpful to refer to any of these women as "he".
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*Note:
I used Aydian Dowling's image because he is a vocal advocate for transgender people and is happy for his image and story to be shared with the public for the purposes of educating people about transgender issues: https://www.instagram.com/alionsfear/
I used the image of those women because all the women in it expressed a desire to de-stigmatize their condition (androgen insensitivity syndrome) by taking a photo without hiding their faces, and placing it in the public domain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Orchids01.JPG
The man below is currently living in a homeless shelter for women. He is using valuable resources earmarked for women. The homeless shelter cannot remove him because he claims to be a woman.
My problem is with males who are bullying females, demanding access to women's private facilities. Some of them are transgender, some of them are not. Males are males, whether they are transgender or not. I am not singling out transgender people. I simply don't want males of any flavor in spaces reserved for the privacy, safety, modesty and dignity of women and girls.
Interestingly, I searched for incidences of transgender males being assaulted in men's facilities, and I couldn't find any. But there are numerous incidences of transgender males being assaulted in women's facilities. It seems men see the transgender male go into the women's room, and feeling protective, men follow the transgender male in to throw him out, and the transgender person is often assaulted at this point. It seems that perhaps it is safer for males who present as women to use men's facilities. The man below seems to think so. He identifies as transgender but does not claim to be a woman. According to his blog, he uses men's facilities exclusively and says he has never been bothered by other men.
Thank you, duckduckmoose for your reply. Being a woman is a biological state. There is no such thing as "feeling" like a woman. How do we know that any two women have the same inner felling? We can't know that.
No amount of dresses or makeup make a male into a woman. Many women hate dresses and makeup. Does that make them men? Of course not.
I appreciate that you accept that you are a male who presents himself in public in a manner that fits society's current stereotypical appearance of women rather than the stereotypical appearance of a man. I appreciate that you are living your life as you please and wearing the clothing that you like, and yes, even using women's facilities, without causing harm or calling attention to yourself. This system/scenario has worked for many years but now that anyone can claim to be a woman and *poof!* they are one, women are put in a dangerous position by men like those in the collage photo I posted earlier.
Here's what the lovely Danielle Muscato posted on Twitter for International Women's Day a couple of weeks ago (black-boxed for language):
As you can see, it received more than 500 likes. Women are in big trouble.What are girls supposed to do when a fully intact male is allowed to compete against them in high school track? This boy is only a freshman, is only 15, and is already able to break state records in girls track. He has four years to decimate the girls' records in this state (Connecticut). Four years to put up male records in girls track, records which will stand for who knows how long before actual girls are able to break them (if ever).
He is being allowed to compete on the girls team simply because he declared himself to be a girl. According to the article, he has not undergone any treatments to feminize his body. The girls on his team and the girls from other schools he competes against are being told that their right to and desire for fair play doesn't matter. What is most important is what the boy wants.
Why is this acceptable?
http://www.courant.com/sports/high-scho … story.html
This is what I mean when I say that this issue goes way beyond "just need to pee." There are so many negative consequences attached to the current "anyone who says they are a woman is a woman" law. Society is applauding men who step on women to get what they want, and erode the progress women have made in becoming better than second-class citizens. These men are "stunning and brave," and if women don't like it they are hateful bigots.
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