"Iran president says HE'S PROUD of Holocaust denials" (Yahoo!)

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   fishskinfreak2008posted 14 years ago

   THIS IS DISGRACEFUL

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      he didn't say he was proud. He said it was a myth. And is understandable if you know that Iran and Israel are constantly on war.

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      psychicdog.netposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The world should never forget what happened to the Jews in WW2 or any other inhumane acts in history. Denying such things damages our collective humanity and is totally insensitive to all those who lost loved ones. "Our primary purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them at least don't hurt them" - Dalai Lama.

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           so don't hurt them !!!
         
         http://www.aztlan.net/du_deformed_iraqi_babies.htm

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   It certainly is. How can Iranians take this clown seriously? Or don't they have any choice?

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They hate israelis, so why would they care ?

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      dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree Earnest, how can any Iranian tolerate this, especialy the millions or so with education.
      
      Jon in Nashville

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You didn't catch the news this summer?

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I saw most of the news I think. I did not necessarily believe all of it though.
         What are you saying tk?

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            tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I was referring to Iranians protesting bogus elections being shot down in the streets. So the answer is  that it seems they don't have much of a choice.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               OK tk thanks! I was not quite sure what you meant, with so much coverage and all. It looks like no choice to me too.

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      fishskinfreak2008posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They don't have a choice. The election of Ahmedinejad to a second term was clearly rigged. In fact, Ahmedinejad's second inauguration was THE FIRST TIME that Iran's ex-presidents chose to stay away.

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   sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

   I'm sure money maker will be proud of this too!

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   What worries me is all the Iranians who do not hate anyone.
   There would be millions of them probably.
   It is pretty hard to shut everyone down morally, but it would be a scary place to speak your mind.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      arab minds don't work as ours.Bad press is what make this countries look that bad. And us don't understanding their beliefs and ethics and morals.

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         tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That is an irresponsible and bigoted comment. Disgraceful.

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            darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So you are saying that culture and upbringing plays no part in a way that a person thinks?

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               tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Did it look like I was saying that?
               
               I was saying that Arabs are not alien creatures whose "minds don't work as ours," whoever "our" is supposed to be. Dehumanization is reserved for sworn enemies in the midst of mortal struggle. If you, or anyone else, considers all Arabs as your sworn enemy then that is your rather considerable problem.
               
               Cultural differences don't mean people can't understand each other and pretending they do is a particularly transparent ploy for those who don't want to.

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                  darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, it did look like you were saying that.
                  
                  'alien creatures'?
                  
                  <no personal attacks>
                  
                  Next time I see the Samoyed I'll just keep scrolling down so I don't have to see the inane questions and off-topic rantings of a sophist.

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                     tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     That would probably be best.

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              Intelligent people don't need explanations. the prove is darkside & misha interpreted what I meant. <text removed - no personal attacks in the Forums.> But I will take the trouble to explain to you, my child.
            'Our mind' : occidental <western
            Theirs :oriental< eastern
            Different cultures, different upbringing
            
            For your record,  I like arab people and understand them. If you don't THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM!
            And I'm not American. and I'm happy not to be. Thank you

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               LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               If you think Iranians are Arabs, you need to work on the understanding a bit more. They aren't.

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                  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  He doesn't even believe they are human! Finer distinctions are a long way off the learning curve.

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         ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Sure they do.  You just have to find their analogs in your society.  There's little difference in the though processes of a Christian Fundamentalist and an Islamic one.  They get their cues from different belief systems, sure, but at their base they both believe that a written holy book is the only star to which you orient your life.
         
         One man in a government is a Holocaust denier.  You can't by any stretch of the imagination say that because Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust denier that the entire Iranian population is.  When it's all said and done people are individuals and you can't make too many broad assertions about them.  Well you can, but you'd be wrong.

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         LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Iranians aren't Arabs.

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   tantrumposted 14 years ago

   I've never seen someone so close minded as fishskinfreak2008. Really !!!!!and before with the post about Caster Semenya. Please !!!

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Having read fishinfreaks profile, I am very suprised that he finds himself being so judgemental. As somebody who has had so many apparent problems himself, I would have thought that he would be more understanding of the problems facing others.

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I don't judge. If he likes to be that way... I gave my opinion. And yes, I read his profile before. If he can publish more than 300 hubs, he's fit for a debate.

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            ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Im not saying that he is not fit for a debate tantrum, I am saying that I am very suprised that he is so judgemental against those facing hardship when he has faced so many of his own. E.g. Caster Semenya. I am actually backing your corner.

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               tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Of course Ryan I know This was my opinion. once more

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   He may grow up eventually Tantrum, take it easy

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   I think you grossly misinterpreted Tantrum TK. I don't see what you see.

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "arab minds don't work as ours" is not difficult to interpret, and permits no end of unacceptable conclusions.

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Definitely not the best wording, but you are taking it out of context, he explained his point further...
   
   Just an example that Arab minds don't work as American minds:
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1InZCpvY25s

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      Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Talking of cultures, Arabs make up only a tiny percentage of the Iranian population - most of them are Farsi, Azerbajani and Kurds

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Farsi is the Iranian language. So it's arab. the rest live in arab territory and as you say are different cultures.

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            Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Oh Tantrum. It's Persian, and they ARE different from Arabs

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               tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                 Persian is arab nowadays  Persia doesn't exist anymore
               Persia< Iran

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                  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Interesting logic
                  
                  Eskimos<America, therefore they do not exist.
                  Kurds<Iran, therefore they do not exist, etc.

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                     tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     That's not what I said. As I stated above, common people call all that area 'arab'. And eskimos exists, even Alaska is a part of USA. So ? I don't understand you

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                        Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        LOL They are Persian, and they identify themselves as Persian, this is what matters And if most American and European people are ignorant of this, you do not have to contribute to it, especially considering your rants about American ignorance

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                           tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           So do you know the different ethnics and tribes of Africa, their languages and religious beliefs, or do you call all that area  african ?

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                              Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Absolutely not. Yet I do not pretend to have opinion on their intra-tribe relations
                              
                              Oh, but I definitely can tell Ethiopians, they are different. That said, there could be several ethnicities within Ethiopia, too

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                                 ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 I can always spot a Somalian, and often a Nigerian..... but I seem to have a knack for that. I have even correctly guessed peoples origins to a UK city before.... without them opening their mouths. Especially people from Liverpool and Newcastle, can often spot them quickly.... 
                                 
                                 People from Britain can often spot somebody from Russia or eastern Europe too...... doesn't matter where you are from or the colour of your skin, we almost all have certain characteristics which show our heritage I think....

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                                    Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    I noticed that, too - when I lived in the South, people do look different. I suppose that this is an example of the complexity - my nationality is English. However, my ethnicity is not - in the North West, we are mainly Nordic rather than Saxon.

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   GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years ago

   exploits that reeks to heavens awwwwwwwwwwwww, what an inhumane remarks...

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    GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years ago

    Holocaust killed millions and a hurled remarks like that from a leader will definitely spur anger as this is uncalled for...

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Welcome to the world !! anger is here to stay. Blame it on the oil if you want. Of course they hate you americans! and i'm sorry. But that's all there is. Not commenting further as I'm not american. I don't lack respect for other countries and their citizens.

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          GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          There is nothing intelligent with massive murders and making nasty remarks about this... this is not an anger but a show of ignorance and barbaric ways of life... low life that is... hehehe...

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             tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             what do you have to say about this
             
             http://www.aztlan.net/du_deformed_iraqi_babies.htm

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    Cranooposted 14 years ago

    The sooner the better this clown is out of office, I couldn't believe it when he was re-ellected. It's no wonder the middle-east is in such a bad condition if they elect people of his stature.

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    such ignorant replies amaze me   I'm sorry for brainwashed people I'm not commentong anymore.

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       How is taking issue with Holocaust denial "ignorant" or "brainwashed"?

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    GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years ago

    Hmmm we're not talking about if someone is American or not here, this thread is about Holocaust don't jump out of the fence... besides the veracity of what you have had spammed is not yet proven...

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         you are so base I can't believe it. I'm saying I'm not american Because I don't
       I come from a third world country so I know what I'm talking about.
       You come from 'the american dream' that more than a dream is a nightmare. shame you're so brainwahed ,you can't see reality. And this is my last word.

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    psychicdog.netposted 14 years ago

    "Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          you people can put this in paractice then. I hate ready made phrases ! why don't you think one of your own ????????

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    GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years ago

    Hehehe you see I'm not a robot, my judgement is fair and square and I dont want to say about the ways of the Arabs and bad things about 'em for I have no right to say that... but you've just shown racism here and you just hurled the Americans a racial slur... What a pity...
    
    And oh how I wish you'll not be flagged with your remarks here hehehe...
    Now whose lacking in judgement and who is biased hehehe you're eating your words buddy...

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       the above are your words:'but you've just shown racism here and you just hurled the Americans a racial slur... What a pity...'
       I've not been offensive. I'm sure you hope someone flags me. And I'm not racist at all! I have a lot of american friends that think just the way I do. Are they racists too?
       And America is not a free country ? Can't I have my say ?
       you're way out of reason. I'm sorry if you don't understand !

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    psychicdog.netposted 14 years ago

    We feel things, we all bleed, we all cry, we all love - no matter what we say, we all feel and it is better to feel LOVE than it is to feel HATE - that is universal wouldn't you agree - (my own words!)

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       GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Now that's better hehehehe...
       
       @misha you have a nice avatar hehehe interesting and commands some attention and authority...

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

    what on eaarth are you all talking about it in here

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       GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       see the posts in this tread here and for sure it's interesting hehehee...

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    GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years ago

    Okay buddy... maybe I'm just tired...
    
    Good day to you buddy...
    
    We have our own principle and oftentimes we fought hard to protect 'em...

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And I can understand that. but it's better to think before  you write. Peace!

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          GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Nevermind... whattaheck... forgetttaboutit...

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    Oh Tantrum, take a break, you did get offensive here. It really does not help your message a tiny bit...

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Where ? And I will apologize

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    Along the several posts. There were no personal attacks but blanket statements that immediately put people on a defensive, and they don't hear you any more

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I apologize for my offensive comments. Sorry if someone felt touched
       I don't care if nobody listens. It's up to them.
       I have an audience out of here, so it's all right by me.
       I don't care for personal attacks.
       all attacks are welcome.
       I like good fights.
       I'm not afraid of saying what I think
       I hate censorship
       

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    Maybe he's bored

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    AEvansposted 14 years ago

    Oh For God Sake ! It is recorded in History who were those people dumped in big holes? Rag dolls? My friend's mom also stays with us full-time she is Jewish, 80 years old and lived through the bombings of London her parents family members were sent to concentration camps and murdered by the Nazis in Poland and Lithuania it is not a Facid it is real! Ignorance can be blind.

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    Sufidreamerposted 14 years ago

    Still a distinct Persian ethnicity - the Farsi culture goes back at least as far as the Greek, and they have a long and proud history.
    
    Calling a Persian an Arab is a bit like calling a Greek a Turk.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I know what you mean. But today Irak ,Iran Qatar and all that area is called 'arab' by common people

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    Sufidreamerposted 14 years ago

    Sure, although it is sadly incorrect - throw in the Sunni/Shi'a divide and it becomes even more complex.
    
    An interesting part of the world.
    
    Mind you, back to the original point, the President of Iran is a complete divvy

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    Sufidreamerposted 14 years ago

    Not a particularly good example - The Africans that I have met are happy to call themselves African, in the same way that I am happy to call myself a European.
    
    This does not make a Zulu the same as a Masai, a Greek the same as an Englishman, or a Persian into an Arab.
    
    Always very complex, though - is Misha a Russian, a European (if born west of the Urals), or both?
    
    He is deserving of his own nationality, a Mishanian

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       Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       LOL Thank you Sufi, actually I feel being sort of alien to any place but myself, so you might be up to something

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    @ misha
    When someone says ther's hunger in Africa, We know that maybe he's talking of Somalia
    When someone says there is this problen with arabs and their oil, maybe he's talking about Irak.
    That's what I mean

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    LOL Were did we start, again? I think I don't remember, for a life of me

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          

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    tksenseiposted 14 years ago

    It is a crying shame to see the great energy, intelligence, and potential of the Iranian people covered by a blanket of cartoonishly blatant oppression.

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       Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I think it is a crying shame to see the great energy, intelligence, and potential of the American people covered by a blanket of cartoonishly blatant oppression.

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          tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          A pebble in your shoe is annoying and can cause injury if you leave it there long enough, but you can stop and shake it out when you've had enough.
          
          A boulder on your head can crush you, and you can't remove it without a lot of help.

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             jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Is That Confucius?

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                tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Wolfgangcius.

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             Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Now i am trying to contemplate - having America on one hand, and Iran on another - which better fits a pebble, and which - boulder?

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                tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I'm sure you'll figure it out.

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