Traffic Way Down Since Monday

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  1. Miebakagh57 profile image73
    Miebakagh57posted 23 months ago

    Yes. So is everyone.

  2. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
    PaulGoodman67posted 23 months ago

    I did see a slight rise in traffic last week, somewhere around ten percent. I'm hoping that it will be built upon this week.

    A big surge would be preferable, of course, but a slow recovery would be better than nothing after the desperate times we've been experiencing.

    1. eugbug profile image96
      eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      It's creeping up slowly for me, but not as fast as previous years. And traffic is one half and impressions one third of what they were last year, plus CPM is lower.

      1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
        PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

        I wouldn't dispute that the situation is dire.

        This month's payout will be one of the worst ever and it's for a December! The payout next month will be even lower... I can't even find the effing words!

        Medium seems to be in dire straits too, although for completely different reasons to HP. According to SEM Rush, Medium traffic has fallen by 2/3 in the previous year!

        1. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          So who's getting all the traffic or have people become lethargic as regards Googling stuff and reading? Maybe it's a case of planet-wide, post-COVID exhaustion?
          As an experiment, I've made a slideshow YouTube teaser to see if I can get traffic to one of my troubleshooting guides.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

            The last time I looked at the internet, there were a multitude of alternative reading options if someone doesn't like Medium, or HP for that matter. I don't believe that reader numbers are down overall across the English-speaking world.

            I'm sometimes unsure if Medium is really doing anything unique or if it's just Blogger with an earnings program.

            Another problem for Coach Tony is that I don't think he has all the dollars to pump into Medium that Ev Williams had. If he started dishing out $500 bonuses, there would be people flooding back.

        2. Kenna McHugh profile image92
          Kenna McHughposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Sounds terrible! Why stick around?

  3. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
    PaulGoodman67posted 23 months ago

    Traffic levels seem to be stuck. Little evidence of a continued slow recovery.

    1. eugbug profile image96
      eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, I see that too. Last year I was getting 800 extra views per week at this time, now it's maybe 10 or 15.

      1. SerenityHalo profile image92
        SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        I'm missing about 6,000 daily views.

        1. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I'm probably missing around 3000 compared to last year.

          1. SerenityHalo profile image92
            SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            It's brutal, right?

            1. eugbug profile image96
              eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Yes and it's getting worse because traffic should be rising but it's started to fall again.

          2. Solaras profile image82
            Solarasposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            That is horrible.  I am sorry to hear it.

    2. eugbug profile image96
      eugbugposted 23 months ago

      Make that falling again.

      1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
        PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, it's going down, worse than last week! FFS!

        Although there was maintenance again. I wonder whether that affects reporting.

    3. AdeleCosgroveBray profile image89
      AdeleCosgroveBrayposted 23 months ago

      Dire income levels again this month. A person might think Maven/Arena, (or whatever they're calling themselves this week), would have the sense to realise their policies are not working. When this site was Hubpages proper, my income was fine. Now I'm pondering deleting the site as a waste of my time.

      1. Solaras profile image82
        Solarasposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        You seem to be under the misapprehension that we and Maven/TAG are in the same boat.  In our dingy, we get paid 60% of one pageview.

        They, on the other hand, get 25-29 times what we earn.  And if revenues decrease, they can just increase the ad frequency to improve their earnings.

        So for every $5 an author earns here, they have the potential to earn $100-150, if readers will slog through all the ads.  And if at the end they click on a click bait article who knows what that earns HP.

    4. eugbug profile image96
      eugbugposted 23 months ago

      It looks like Google wants to eliminate companies by repeated downranking.

      1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
        PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Yeah, I've given up on the search engines for the time being. I think whatever the issues are, we individual writers are essentially powerless right now.

        I'm working on knocking my Pinterest into shape. I'll keep editing and improving existing hubs, of course.

        I do wish that HP would tell us more about what's going on and their response. Nobody stepped into Paul E's shoes after he left, regarding communication, so we're always having to speculate.

        It can feel like we're left to stumble around in the dark.

    5. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
      PaulGoodman67posted 23 months ago

      Rather than improving, traffic levels are drifting downwards if anything. So depressing.

      1. Kenna McHugh profile image92
        Kenna McHughposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Unfortunate

    6. eugbug profile image96
      eugbugposted 23 months ago

      Mine isn't falling, but barely increasing and at a slower rate than last year, so the overall trend is a fall for the last few years.

      1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
        PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

        The latest Google update is focused on Amazon hubs. It's effing brutal but won't affect hubbers unless they have product articles.

        It's affected my accounts with Amazon articles badly, but the others seem unscathed.

        Another reason for me to focus on Pinterest for now!

    7. Thomas Swan profile image94
      Thomas Swanposted 23 months ago

      Is Pinterest still a thing? I don't know personally, but I thought all the cool kids went to Instagram, then to this Tik Tok thing. I don't follow it much, but you may want to look into it before putting in the work.

      1. eugbug profile image96
        eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        The unfortunate thing about Instagram is that backlinks can't be added to posts. You can add the link, but a viewer would have to copy and paste the link into their browser to follow it. A hyperlink can be added to your profile.

        1. Kenna McHugh profile image92
          Kenna McHughposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Pinterest works for me. It's in my #2 spot for Traffic Sources.

          1. eugbug profile image96
            eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            It's in my no. 1 spot but I've only got a couple of repins of the 100 or so pins I've added in the last couple of years.

            1. Kenna McHugh profile image92
              Kenna McHughposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              I don't track them that closely. Google is my #1 spot.

      2. eugbug profile image96
        eugbugposted 23 months ago

        There must be another update because traffic is 20% down on last week. It looks like Google is going to chip away chunks until there's nothing left of sites.

        1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
          PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Rather than one big panda mauling, it's death by a thousand cuts!

          1. eugbug profile image96
            eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Danny Sullivan is going to die by a thousand nags by the time I'm finished with him smile

        2. SerenityHalo profile image92
          SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Prognosis: not good.

        3. janshares profile image94
          jansharesposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          For the first time, abysmal earnings are making me ask myself how soon I should start unpublishing articles that have zero views and start putting them somewhere else. I'm happy to leave the articles that generate most earnings for the passive income until the end. But it feels like it's time to start addressing the elephant in the room. It's sad but I'm being practical and realistic at this point. sad

          1. theraggededge profile image87
            theraggededgeposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Earnings are hilarious right now. Well, if I didn't laugh, I'd cry, so choosing to see the funny side. Haven't been this low since the end of the Apprentice scheme.

          2. Kenna McHugh profile image92
            Kenna McHughposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            I have the same point of view. It's tough. I don't understand why HP doesn't make an overall announcement about what is happening and their plan to rectify it.

            1. SerenityHalo profile image92
              SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              The radio silence is ominous. It makes me wonder if they don't care, if they don't really have a plan, or if they're somehow unaware of how bad this is for writers. Perhaps they're cautious to say anything because they don't have a clear plan.

              I don't have an optimistic lens though.

              1. eugbug profile image96
                eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                From the staff list, there seems to be only maintenance people and editors/managing editors who keep the site ticking over, but maybe not everyone is listed. So perhaps all direction and marketing is done centrally by TAG, but they don't talk to anyone from my experience of asking them about things.

                1. SerenityHalo profile image92
                  SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  I definitely think the problem comes from the TAG side.

      3. viryabo profile image84
        viryaboposted 23 months ago

        Made payout just by the skin of my teeth! This is getting crazy!

      4. Solaras profile image82
        Solarasposted 23 months ago

        I used to make payout in 27 hours.  Now it can take up to 8 days for that to occur.  HP was an important part of my income stream, and when it fell off the map in September, along with several personal tragedies at home, I was left scrambling for new sources of income, as the pandemic and tariffs have slowly chipped away at my other pet supplies business.

        I am confident that my thoughts on the subject of TAG and their "plans" for us are very unpopular. You could call them conversation killers.  Never the less, since folks seem to be leaning in my direction a bit, I will repeat myself.

        TAG has no plan for us.  I actually think the management at Arena resents us and our trailing commissions, when they would much rather pay English-as-a-second-language folks to write reviews or "news" and have editors clean them up.  $ 10-15 bucks an article and they are done with the cost for that.

        Right now TAG stuffs ads into our articles at approximately twice the rate they do on Sports Illustrated.  They apparently know the difference between tempting readers and suffocating readers.

        TAG make 25-30 times we do for each read, depending on the length of the article.  They are okay with that, and if they need more, they will add more ads. 

        We can add content to CrimeWire in the beginning for a meager return. But I don't think that the arrangement Paul and Paul setup originally to share equitably with the writers is anything the Arena folks want to repeat or even continue. 

        The new, oblique terms state we get paid 60% of a pageview.  All other impression earnings plus  40%of that  first impression goes to TAG.  Not to make HP flourish, but to pay the bills for their flagship properties Sports Illustrated, The Street and Parade. They want those to flourish at all costs.  They see those properties and other acquisitions as the future.

      5. eugbug profile image96
        eugbugposted 23 months ago

        Traffic seems to be down today. Semrush is reporting increased volatility.

        1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
          PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

          My traffic has been pretty constant recently. Neither down nor up. Just crap.

        2. SerenityHalo profile image92
          SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I've gone down slightly... I've lost about 200 daily views. Numbers overall are horrible.

      6. eugbug profile image96
        eugbugposted 23 months ago

        I wonder is everyone using an electric lawn mower to cut their grass now or do they just not fix things? This troubleshooting guide gets less than 150 views a day peak now. I don't think I'll bother updating any articles this year to get a 2023 date because it seems to be a waste of time. There's nothing more I can add to guides anyway.



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        1. SerenityHalo profile image92
          SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I think it's just HP and where Google has placed our articles. I use to have articles that would get 1,000 daily views, or even 500... it's rare now to have one that's pulling in 100.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, it's a rankings issue.

            I would still keep editing at least once/year. Even if the edit made is trivial, it's necessary for freshness, I believe. That said, HP have recently been through pretty much everything (they seem to be on Turbofuture now).

            My focus at the moment is driving traffic from other places, as well as trying some other strategies. I've more or less given up on search engine traffic to my HP articles improving in the near future.

            1. eugbug profile image96
              eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              I notice too that my blog only got one view this month.

        2. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 23 months ago

          There was another update Thursday, traffic down again.

          1. Jan Stepan profile image85
            Jan Stepanposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            It was an unpleasant surprise to log in today and see the drop in traffic. I hope it will recover again soon. I don't know why those updates always hurt us so badly.

            1. eugbug profile image96
              eugbugposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              It's as though Google want to eliminate sites by chipping away at them until they give up.

              1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                Yes, we're now past mid-Feb. Things should be starting to get a little better purely from seasonal factors, but instead, traffic's getting worse.

                HP's still pushing for trying to improve the site(s) generally with editing and advice (e.g. latest newsletter), but that doesn't seem to be enough.

                For sure, it can take months for improvements to reap rewards with the algo but a majority of a year has gone by since the editors went through Owlcation and Google still seems unhappy.

                I used to say: "maybe low traffic is the new norm" but the new norm now appears to be slowly dying. I would be happy with just the crappy traffic and earnings of a year ago at this stage.

                1. EricDockett profile image93
                  EricDockettposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  There is a saying in bodybuilding that goes: "You can't out-train a bad diet."

                  Maybe the HP version of this is: "You can't out-edit a bad user experience."

                  Until they fix the ad issues, I don't see how all the editing and updating in the world helps.

                  1. SerenityHalo profile image92
                    SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    This is an accurate summation of the situation.

                    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                      PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                      The sad thing is that I really want to write more here, but it's difficult to justify the time and effort if my views and earnings are going to drop lower regardless.

                      There was a time not that long ago when I felt that I was at least treading water, but that algo hit near the end of last year was a big one.

                      We've had a few crushing blows and a multitude of smaller ones. It's so dispiriting and there's currently no sign that it's going to end.

                      1. SerenityHalo profile image92
                        SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        The only thing that seems to work, which is entirely unpredictable, is to write in a way that Android Google picks up your content. The surges from that tend to bring in nice earnings. I noticed it only happens for me with brand-new content, but it's hard to predict what will actually get picked up.

                        For me, it seems to be DenGarden articles that Android Google likes.

                        Other than that, I think writing only for the niches that have the highest traffic is the best way to keep things afloat. Owlcation, DenGarden, Pethelpful, and Spinditty seem to be the strongest ones. Every once in a while, I update a spreadsheet of traffic numbers based off Semrush.

                  2. Madeleine Clays profile image96
                    Madeleine Claysposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    I agree 100% with you, Eric. I have little to no incentive to write on this platform anymore with things as they are. It's just not worth my time.

        3. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 23 months ago

          This seed sowing guide is running at about 70% less traffic than last year, with practically no growth. The same for all Dengarden guides. I'm not sure who speculated about it, maybe Paul, but perhaps the way Google works is they only allow articles to be in the limelight for so many years then they're effectively dumped, no matter how much they're improved or how good the quality.


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          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 23 months agoin reply to this

            I think that's the overall trend recently.

            SEM Rush generally shows the main niches as being in slow decline over the past few months.

            SEM Rush authority scores for HP niches haven't improved. Ironically, Medium has a good score, despite large amounts of spurious health and financial advice. It doesn't seem to help Medium much though.

          2. SerenityHalo profile image92
            SerenityHaloposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            I'm not sure whether Google dumps older articles or not. I do think Eric is right that if a website has a bad user experience, there is nothing you can really do as a writer to work around that. Until the user experience is enjoyable for the niches, HP writers are going to struggle.

            1. Madeleine Clays profile image96
              Madeleine Claysposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              Agreed.

        4. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
          PaulGoodman67posted 22 months ago

          Another new week but traffic and earnings are as dismal as ever. I was actually getting more views a month ago.

          1. eugbug profile image96
            eugbugposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            Mine is up a bit this week, reaching mid November levels. Probably a home & garden surge. Still 40% down on last year though.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              When I look at my top-earning articles, many of them sit at around #3 in the rankings. That sounds great and would be if they hadn't been at #1 at one point. You can lose around half the traffic with each ranking drop.

              My earnings are simply a joke nowadays. Perhaps the only saving grace of this site is that the earnings are (to some degree) passive. Medium's worse in that the site's lost 2/3 of its traffic but the writers still have to run around on the hamster wheel for their diminishing returns.

              1. theraggededge profile image87
                theraggededgeposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                Medium is dire for me at the moment. Probably because I can't be bothered to avail myself of the hamster wheel big_smile

                My peak was $800 in a month, but now, phlumppp.

              2. Jan Stepan profile image85
                Jan Stepanposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                And that's the very reason why I gamble my time here on Hubpages and not Medium. smile

        5. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
          PaulGoodman67posted 22 months ago

          Of course, as soon as I moaned about the traffic earlier in the week, there was a new algo product update straight after. It gave me another 5-10% on this account.

          That's really just clawing back what was lost at the last update and not life-changing. Essentially, I would need my traffic to double to get back to anywhere near what it was a couple of years back.

          1. eugbug profile image96
            eugbugposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            My traffic is down a bit today, but it generally peaks on a Wednesday anyway for educational stuff. I guess Thursday and Friday are lazy days in school and college.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              It's a product reviews update. So one wouldn't necessarily expect a big impact on educational articles.

              1. eugbug profile image96
                eugbugposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                Unless it hits sites as a whole. I'm ot sure whether people sell much stuff on Owlcation, maybe books and such.

        6. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 22 months ago

          Traffic seems to be down a good bit today. There appeared to be an update on Thursday.

          1. SerenityHalo profile image92
            SerenityHaloposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, it just keeps coming down along with the earnings. We’re still a sinking ship, it seems.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              Normal Friday for me on this account.

              Updates vary in their timing, though. I have ten accounts and there can be days between the effects on them.

              We need either a big, benign boost or a sustained period of gradual gains. We've not seen anything like that for two years. On the contrary, we've had several major drops and lots of minor ones.

        7. Carb Diva profile image99
          Carb Divaposted 22 months ago

          I'm noticing the same (dismal) trend.

        8. hclpd profile image81
          hclpdposted 22 months ago

          Don't expect any different, especially with the influx of AI generated content.

          1. Jan Stepan profile image85
            Jan Stepanposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            AI is definitely a serious issue and not just here but overall... I hope adequate steps are taken to minimize AI content as much as possible. Fingers crossed for better times.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              AI is super useful as a writing aid. I'm discovering more uses for it all the time. The problem is when people just copy and paste the entire answer without any additional work to fact-check, and edit the language and structure. It creates articles that can be problematic and they're not easy to filter out.

              There's a much bigger problem though. The system we've got used to, whereby people type something into a search engine and then get a bunch of websites to choose from is under threat.

              The whole idea of search engines and websites and the business models that go along with them won't last long if the AI system is adopted, where people just ask a question and then an answer is generated by AI.

              The threats are multiple and I think certain forms of (human) writing might be doomed, unfortunately.

              1. Kenna McHugh profile image92
                Kenna McHughposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                AI helps give information about a topic but does not give the source. Once it does that, then we'll see some significant changes.

                1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                  PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  As far as the filtering goes. At present, HP has two layers of protection that articles have to get through.

                  The first layer uses software to weed out material that blatantly breaches rules (eg plagiarism) and/or is so obviously low quality that a computer can spot it.

                  The second layer uses human editors to assess what is good enough to go in the niches.

                  While the humans will still stop crap going into the niches, I suspect that the amount of stuff making it passed the software stage will now be absolutely huge, because most of the AI stuff won't be stopped by the current software.

                  It's the sheer volume of AI-generated material that will likely be problematic for HP, I suspect.

                  1. Kenna McHugh profile image92
                    Kenna McHughposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    Coders will write code to assess and qualify AI.

                    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                      PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                      There will certainly be an arms race but AI generates unique new material that is written in good English. It's already very close to indistinguishable.

                      There are a few patterns in the way that, say, ChatGPT currently expresses certain things, but those will likely disappear quickly.

                      Ultimately, the only thing that AI maybe won't be able to generate is a genuine sense of soul, personality, or consciousness. However, other AI won't be able to detect that.

                      HP doesn't really have to detect AI anyway. If something's of sufficient written quality, they can let it through regardless. The only problem then becomes the veracity of the content.

              2. Jan Stepan profile image85
                Jan Stepanposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                I think you tapped into an important topic. Of course, if one would only use AI as an inspiration and direction in its writing, then maybe it wouldn't be such an issue since it would still be the "human behind the keyboard" who would be the deciding figure.

                But I think I know people way too well and their drive to make things as easy for themselves as far as it allows them to. If you give people one finger, they take the whole hand.

                That's just how it works, which means that people won't only use it as a helpful tool but will make it work for them with time, and that's the point I am so worried about.

                Technology was meant to make our lives easier, not replace human creation.

                1. theraggededge profile image87
                  theraggededgeposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  Writers could still hold an upper position if they attest their work is fully human-created. Like hand-made and organic goods, it could be a selling point for search engines.

                  1. Jan Stepan profile image85
                    Jan Stepanposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    I hope you're right about that. Let's hope for the best!

                  2. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                    PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    Hmm, how did the market for human-created clothing go after mass-produced manufacturing arrived? big_smile

                    Certain types of writing will be okay, I would think, such as opinion pieces and creative works, but I'm struggling to see how a lot of general info-based writing will be able to hold its head above water in the future.

                    Search engines and websites seem like they might be threatened by AI  too.

                    I hope I'm wrong, but I think writing articles could go like music, where all the money is sucked out of it. You can still make music and sell it but the value sank to almost nothing (in most cases) following digitalization.

                    I've actually been writing a few articles with help from AI recently. But I think people may start going straight to the AI at some point for their info.

                    We're at an inflection point, I believe. However, it's impossible to predict exactly how it's going to go. For example, nobody really predicted that texting would become a thing when mobile phones became popular. Technology can have unexpected consequences.

                  3. Kenna McHugh profile image92
                    Kenna McHughposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    You have a good point. I have found AI helpful in finding new ways to express an idea or look at a topic differently. It will never write the article for me.
                    AI is not sentient. Luckily, that separates us from electronically generated content.

                    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                      PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                      I am really talking specifically about writing for an income.

                      I am also looking to the future, rather than focusing on the now. What's likely to happen over the next five or ten years.

                      We're moving from a situation where AI is basically functioning as a writing aid, for example, Grammarly, to where AI actually becomes the writer, for example, ChatGPT.

                      It's important not to confuse the influence of AI on the actual writing with the effects of AI on the writing and publishing industries. I am really more focused on the latter and what it means for writers who rely on their words for an income source.

                  4. DrMark1961 profile image99
                    DrMark1961posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    But you do realize that AI will create an attestation for you to include at the end of the article so that your readers will be sure that it is human-created?

                    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                      PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                      Many of my hubs are likely going to be hybrids from hereon. My intention is to write about what I know and fact-check. Whether others will be so scrupulous, I'm not so sure.

                      AI is the perfect tool for bullsh*tters!

                      My own feeling is that sites will have to rely more on *who* is writing the articles. Publishing something by a complete unknown seems much riskier now. It's easier to produce something that appears convincing, even when it might be inaccurate.

                      It feels like the internet might be entering another one of its "Wild West" periods!

        9. Rada4Health profile image91
          Rada4Healthposted 22 months ago

          Very low traffic as well

        10. janshares profile image94
          jansharesposted 22 months ago

          My traffic is up, more than it has been in a long time. Fingers crossed for a continued upward trend. Anyone else?

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

            None of my accounts have changed much, aside from one which is getting a lot of MSN traffic to one particular article.

            Are you seeing a rise in traffic across all of your articles, Jan, or is it focused on a particular niche or niches?

            1. janshares profile image94
              jansharesposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              Owlcation.

          2. Kenna McHugh profile image92
            Kenna McHughposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            Yes. I am up. Better than last month. Fingers crossed!

            1. janshares profile image94
              jansharesposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              +1

          3. eugbug profile image96
            eugbugposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            Up 8% for Monday compared to the previous Monday.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              According to Search Engine Roundtable, the Google Products Update is causing a lot of volatility around the web.

              Just not much for me at the moment, though.

              My traffic's barely any different from what it was last Monday on this account. sad

            2. janshares profile image94
              jansharesposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              That's good, Eugene.

              1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                I'm still not seeing much difference on HP stats.

                If I go to GA for this account, then it looks like +11% for yesterday over last Monday. However, that seems to be because of an irregular dip last week, rather than a rise this Monday. Today, GA is showing -4.5%.

                My overall feeling is that there's just some turbulence happening, rather than any real gains, but I hope I'm wrong. It's impossible to judge accurately from just a couple of days of stats.

                I can't see other people's stats so maybe I'm an aberration, but looking through all my accounts, mine don't appear to have improved.

                What is weird is Amazon product review sites. A few of mine are doing fine, but many have dipped almost out of existence. That's where the real turbulence seems to be for me. It's also a major cause of my loss of earnings.

                1. janshares profile image94
                  jansharesposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  I'll have to watch over the next few days and weeks to see, Paul. Your analysis is probably correct based on the trends. We can only hope. Maybe the little bump on Owlcation is due to college study at this time of the year.

                  1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                    PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    Generally speaking, the trend over the past few months for me has been my traffic being pushed flat at a low level, like it's been sat on by an elephant(!)

                  2. Kenna McHugh profile image92
                    Kenna McHughposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    I have a Bellatory piece doing super well. The others are up too.

                2. SerenityHalo profile image92
                  SerenityHaloposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  I’m at my lowest. No change seen here. Only occasionally a bump from Google Android.

                  1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                    PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    I'm still getting some bumps from sources like android, MSN, etc. but the sad thing is that they're nowhere near as dramatic as they were last year.

                    I'm still hoping to drive some traffic from Pinterest but although I'm getting thousands of impressions now, there's not much more actual traffic.

                    1. SerenityHalo profile image92
                      SerenityHaloposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                      I've taken a break from Pinterest for the meantime. I've been slowly rehauling pictures on here. Looks like HP is going to be changing cover pictures based on another forum thread.

                      I only get bumps with Android for brand-new content. One bump made February about $100 better than January, so I'll take it. Otherwise, the earnings and traffic are all very low. It would need to jump about 6,000-7,000 daily views for me to say there has been a rebound. It's been a downward trend since September.

                      Glad to see some people are seeing an uptick, and sometimes my account is slow to adjust to changes in traffic.

        11. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 22 months ago

          Today, Wednesday's update seems to be pulling down traffic again.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

            It's difficult. I think all that can be concluded at present is that there's some volatility happening.

            Every Wednesday, I get ten newsletters from HP, one for each account.

            The most recent one showed some accounts up five or ten percent, some down five or ten percent, and some hovering around zero.

            I interpret that as not much overall change in recent times.

            If I only had one account and it showed a rise of ten percent, I'd think things were going well. If I had one of the accounts that showed a ten percent fall, I'd think things were going badly.

            Even with ten accounts, it's difficult to figure out what's going on day-to-day when things are so tempestuous.

            I guess I'm reserving any judgments until the dust settles. Maybe we'll have some vague idea by the weekend.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              According to GA, the traffic for this account that I'm writing with wavered around for a couple of days and now it's back at the same level it was a week ago!

        12. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
          PaulGoodman67posted 22 months ago

          I'm thinking it was turbulence earlier in the week with little or no long-term effects on viewing numbers.

          Traffic should really be creeping up now that we're into March. It all feels fairly stagnant to me apart from the waves a few days ago.

          1. eugbug profile image96
            eugbugposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            I'm just after taking a look at my 2020 traffic and this year's is actually at the same level (there's a phase shift in the graph because I didn't adjust for the days of the week to be the same) I know I've probably got more articles since 2020, but they haven't been terrible prosperous in terms of views.  I think the higher traffic for 2021 and 2022 probably spoiled us.

            https://hubstatic.com/16400393_f1024.jpg

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              I think you're confirming the stagnancy that I've experienced too.

              I don't think I was "spoiled." I had just 5 months of good traffic in '21 and things have been dismal ever since.

              Before that, there was another barren period lasting 18 months.

              The site hasn't been good in any sort of sustained way since 2018/19, which increasingly feels like ancient history.

              2018/19 was good for me, anyway, as  Amazon was still a big earner back then.

              For earnings generally, I can't really remember anything so dire for many years. It really doesn't feel like it's worth the effort.

              That said, I have produced a few new articles, partly to experiment with AI and partly to experiment with Pinterest.

              I don't see the new articles making any difference to my earnings. It's just pennies.

            2. Jan Stepan profile image85
              Jan Stepanposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              If we made your data statistics appear vertically, you would have what almost looks like a DNA strand. big_smile

              1. eugbug profile image96
                eugbugposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                I'd have to twist them a bit though to make them helical smile

                1. Jan Stepan profile image85
                  Jan Stepanposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  Definitely! smile

        13. theraggededge profile image87
          theraggededgeposted 22 months ago

          Even though I'm publishing more, traffic is still falling. It seems to be a waste of time.

          1. Jan Stepan profile image85
            Jan Stepanposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            I still want to believe that it will turn around one day. I guess the hope is what drives me forward to continue writing here.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              In the background, there are also changes coming down the pipeline brought by AI that will likely have a profound effect.

              HP are putting out mixed messages with their fixes in some ways.

              On the one hand, the editors are putting in lots of hard work to improve the quality of articles in the niches, which is presumably aimed directly at the search engines.

              On the other hand, introducing the Rojo chatting seems to be pushing the site in a different and new direction.

              1. Solaras profile image82
                Solarasposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                I don't know that editing an article for the 12th time is hard work, or that it produces much if any benefit.

                Rojo is taking the site in a new direct as are the "News" articles from TikTok.  TikTok pays for views to new videos to those with large followings like any other content site.  HP invites users to upload their own videos to HP, and HP will share these videos on their TikTok and Instagram accounts. 

                Free videos, for them to enrich HP on.  RoJo, I assume, is there to further this aim. It is indeed a new direction for HP, and one that has little to no focus on the writers here, with the exception of Delishably.

        14. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 22 months ago

          The stagnation continues, but no volatility on the Semrush graph. Stagnation implies traffic fall in real terms, considering it should be rising at this time of year for me.


          https://hubstatic.com/16408538_f1024.jpg

          1. Justine Guiao profile image92
            Justine Guiaoposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            That's a huge gap.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              Feb/March '21 was during the 5 month "bliss period,".so it's a comparison of best and worst, in some ways. But still... It's sad how things have gone.

              When things first began to go downhill 20 months or so ago, I thought the site might be able to bounce back relatively quickly. Instead, things just got worse. sad

        15. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 22 months ago

          Meanwhile traffic to this physics article has increased, maybe because it has a thumbnail in the featured snippet alongside a few other images. Google won't give me a SERP result because Ray already has a similar article.


          https://hubstatic.com/16408971_f1024.jpg

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

            I have one or two that have bucked the trend. I can't figure out why. I've tried tampering with others to make them more like the anomalies.

            Of course, the success may just be to do with changes to the algo punishing rivals and the hub doing better that way. If rivals sink, you do better.

            I've also been looking at what HP editors have been doing in Pethelpful with images and layout.

        16. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 22 months ago

          There was a 10% drop in traffic yesterday, no evidence of an update from Semrush. What's going on? Traffic still down by the hour today.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

            I don't know. I don't tend to get too concerned with day-to-day fluctuations unless they're huge.

            My traffic's pretty normal according to Google Analytics. That's "normal" in the sense of being crappy.

            It could be a Spring Break/Easter Holidays thing that's affecting you. It doesn't seem like a change to Google.

        17. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 22 months ago

          Traffic is down a bit this afternoon (Thursday) because of the latest major Google core update.

          https://www.seroundtable.com/

          1. SerenityHalo profile image92
            SerenityHaloposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, I think this one is bad. It’s actually impressive how bad my traffic is today.

          2. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

            It's difficult for me to assess. I've got a few individual hubs in various accounts surging dramatically, which tends to skew the overall figures. I'd just say there's some turbulence going on.

            The last update, there was turbulence followed by a return to stagnancy. It's difficult to predict what will happen with this one. Rollouts can also last longer than they used to, weeks rather than days.

            1. SerenityHalo profile image92
              SerenityHaloposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              I’ve been progressively losing traffic since September. I’m down about 7,000 daily views now. I’m not very optimistic about a recovery anymore. I occasionally get a surge on an article and that’s about the only thing that’s keeping me going. SemRush for all the niches has been showing consistent downward trends.

              It would be great for things to improve, but I suspect Google wants a very specific way for its navigation.

              Perhaps there will be a wild twist when this new update is fully out in the next couple of weeks… it doesn’t seem like it though.

            2. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
              PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

              The previous core updates, certainly over the past 20 months or so, have affected us negatively. However, it's too early to draw any conclusions about this one.

              Search Engine Round Table said something similar to what I was thinking:

              "Remember, these updates can take about two weeks to roll out, and sometimes, the changes you see within the first few days are not where things stick. So be patient and wait for the roll-out to complete before panicking."

              1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

                At the moment both my views and earnings are up 50% for this account. I expect that to be temporary, though, as it's due to one article surging.

                Generally speaking, I share the sense of gloom.

                I welcome the recent initiatives by HP to generate traffic. However, it could also be interpreted as them looking for alternative sources of traffic. In the past, for me, search engines were the only source that supplied sustained and substantial levels of traffic.

                1. SerenityHalo profile image92
                  SerenityHaloposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  I like seeing that HubPages is at least trying to make changes. I have a hard time not being skeptical of some of the experiments. Some of them I think just need to be fleshed out better. Other experiments I think they've taken things in the wrong direction. I'm hoping eventually they'll find something that really does have a positive impact.

        18. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 22 months ago

          The odd thing about this seed sowing guide is that I'm down 90% in traffic, yet I have two featured snippet photos. Maybe I need to change them. Meanwhile the guide that gets the text featured snippet doesn't have any photos to accompany it, so it's time to give a bad feedback review to Google for what it's worth.


          https://hubstatic.com/16418388_f1024.jpg




          https://hubstatic.com/16418390_f1024.jpg

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 22 months agoin reply to this

            Is it possible that the drop in traffic is because of it losing traffic from related keywords rather than anything to do with the snippet photos?

            If you're still getting featured snippets, the main keyword might be doing okay but the related keywords are in the dumps.

            Most of my articles that do really well actually get more traffic from the related keywords than the main one.

            So when the related keyword traffic goes down, the article loses most of its views, despite maintaining ranking for the main keyword.

            I don't know. I'm just putting it out there.

            1. JerryFisher profile image86
              JerryFisherposted 21 months agoin reply to this

              I've seen you guys talking about surges before. I've just had one where a five year old article with a typical view count of about 30 a day out of the blue peaked out at about 1800 views/1400/750 over three days and now back to normal. That wasn't due to any editing on my behalf - I haven't touched it for years.
              But the question is have you ever analysed why this could happen? I'm sure you have but have you then found enough answers that you've been able to maintain the surge, or, even better, start a surge? Cheers

              1. eugbug profile image96
                eugbugposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                Often this is referral spam where a false source is listed to get someone who is analysing their traffic to visit the source.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referrer_spam

                1. JerryFisher profile image86
                  JerryFisherposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                  Yeah thanks - That explains it well.

              2. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
                PaulGoodman67posted 21 months agoin reply to this

                The reasons for why a surge happens relates to the source of the traffic. There is no one, universal reason.

                The cause can be spammy like Eugene says but there can also be legit reasons.

                For example: getting featured by MSN on their page can give you hundreds or thousands of extra views for a time.

                Google will also often boost traffic around algo updates to test out pages and sites.

                The most common time to get a surge is just after an article is published but it can potentially happen at any point.

                I sometimes try editing articles to try to get them to surge. The jury's out on how successful that tactic is. big_smile

                1. JerryFisher profile image86
                  JerryFisherposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                  Yeah if only you could contact the spammers to say 'pick me - pick me.'

              3. janshares profile image94
                jansharesposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                I've had it happen a couple times, Jerry. It's usually for the MSN reason that Paul cites or that new thing HP is doing with news stories that link back to your article. You can't control it, or make it repeat, it just happens. Enjoy it while it lasts. And the extra coins, too. wink

                1. Solaras profile image82
                  Solarasposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                  100+

                2. JerryFisher profile image86
                  JerryFisherposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                  Yeah - back to normal sadly. But I knew something was up when there was no more than two or three Amazon clicks a day on the surge up to 1800 views - same as a typical 30 views a day. If this happens to most on HP from time to time it must be pretty costly for them with no real ad clicks, or maybe they bill the advertiser for the surges

        19. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 21 months ago

          I often wonder does editing articles too frequently piss off the the Google webcrawlers and put the articles on some sort of blacklist for wasting Google's resources. I've edited some articles hundreds of times. However, articles can no longer be force crawled, except by site owners, and I think they now just visit every so often, so maybe it's not an issue.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
            PaulGoodman67posted 21 months agoin reply to this

            I doubt that it gets you blacklisted. Although "hundreds of times" does sound a little, urm, obsessive! smile

            I normally edit a few times/year at most. At my most intense, it's still maybe only two or three times a month.

            I have a handful of articles that have surged multiple times. Usually, they earn me not much more than the price of a coffee, though.

            Of course, the other side of surges is that they can provide the potential for garnering more backlinks and improving SEO.

        20. Solaras profile image82
          Solarasposted 21 months ago

          Well, the goodly gnomes in the editorial department have been zooming through my PH articles, with minor updates to almost all of them.  One article, that has been out there for over a decade, still had a shameful typo in it.  The horror.  Thanks for finding and fixing it.

          The net result is a 50% increase in traffic and earnings.  That is encouraging for the moment, but I wonder how long it will last.  Were the increases due to corrections in the Google Algo update rollout or the edits.   I wish I knew.

        21. PaulGoodman67 profile image96
          PaulGoodman67posted 21 months ago

          I'm struggling to discern what effect, if any, this latest Google algo update is having. Some of my accounts seem to be doing slightly better. Others seem to be suffering.

          Maybe that's a sign that not much has really happened.

          Of course, the real change could come toward the end of the rollout. We've experienced "stings in the tail" before now. I don't feel a great deal of hope but surely we can't just keep sinking, there has to be some sort of respite or improvement at some point?

        22. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 21 months ago

          I just lost a photo snippet for a physics guide. Google won't rank it because of Site Diversity and a similar article on Owlcation, so traffic has dropped hugely as a result. What's annoying is that traffic was actually growing for this guide, now it's back to square one.



          https://hubstatic.com/16433913_f1024.jpg

          1. Solaras profile image82
            Solarasposted 21 months agoin reply to this

            That sucks; is it a quality article that is on a different topic from yours?  Can you change the title to make it a little more different from the other article.

            1. eugbug profile image96
              eugbugposted 21 months agoin reply to this

              It's pretty much about the same thing, but more recent than mine. Mine is 10 years old, but it was about a variety of related topics in a particular field of physics. I split up the article into four articles and this article was what remained. I can't really change the title, just add extra keywords.

              1. Solaras profile image82
                Solarasposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                I would say that is further evidence that Google prefers fresh articles to revamped ones.  How are the other articles you spun off doing?

                1. eugbug profile image96
                  eugbugposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                  Not doing well. Typically from zero to a few views per day.

                2. janshares profile image94
                  jansharesposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                  So much for evergreen articles, then. Do you think they've lost their value?

                  1. eugbug profile image96
                    eugbugposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                    Probably, Google is fickle and dumps quality content when the new cool stuff appears, even though it's often of lesser quality.

                  2. chef-de-jour profile image100
                    chef-de-jourposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                    From the moment TAG introduced their horrendous ad placement regime our articles have lost value yes Jan; there's no doubt Google sees the whole package as low status. Long-term side effects? Anyone's guess.
                    I'm still writing fresh material for Owlcation, albeit at a slower rate, and have noticed quite a mild leap in impressions and earnings the last few days since they introduced the new video?
                    Overall the outlook is gloomy, not so much doomy.

                    On the subject of AI - I personally wouldn't touch it with a proverbial bargepole! It's here to stay that's a no-brainer but at this moment in time I'm keeping well away. I'm a purist I guess. I don't want artificially generated prose undermining the creative impulse. Give me the human touch every time. Does that make me a dinosaur....?

                    1. Jan Stepan profile image85
                      Jan Stepanposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                      It doesn't make you a dinosaur. I am 23 years old, and I totally agree with you. It's a scary development, and it isn't beneficial for humanity.

                      Where it can save lives, where it's necessary for us to evolve – fine, go ahead. But don't let AI take away people's jobs because today's economic model, as it is now, isn't ready to provide for it.

                      The ones who support AI should also find a solution to how it will work out with less labor force needed when the population continues to expand. I am so curious to hear.

                    2. janshares profile image94
                      jansharesposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                      I'll be a dinosaur with you, Andrew. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

                  3. Solaras profile image82
                    Solarasposted 21 months agoin reply to this

                    I think they like certain things for a while, then abandon them for some new trick.  For instance, I have seen articles full of inaccurate information, but ranking well, because they have quick and easy comparison charts. Google likes them, so if you can find a way to insert them (Topic: Pros, Cons for example) do so about midway or towards the bottom.  This will change when some new technique comes along.

                    They liked bullet points a lot before, but charts are preferred now, in my humble opinion.

          2. eugbug profile image96
            eugbugposted 21 months agoin reply to this

            I slightly changed the title image on this and added a couple more items and a few extra words to the infographic. Nothing major. I'm exploring the possibility that Google had some issue with OCR or it didn't like the extra detail and that's why it dumped the image. So I've changed back to the original one. Maybe they only like images with little going on in them.

        23. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 21 months ago

          A 16% drop in traffic yesterday for some reason. Probably because of Easter.

          1. Kenna McHugh profile image92
            Kenna McHughposted 21 months agoin reply to this

            Same here. The bunny rabbit is busy, and churches are open.

          2. Jan Stepan profile image85
            Jan Stepanposted 21 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, I am experiencing the very same.

        24. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 21 months ago

          It's up today compared to last week though.

        25. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 21 months ago

          Weekly traffic since the start of the year. This shows the stagnation with no improvement.


          https://hubstatic.com/16453473_f1024.jpg

        26. eugbug profile image96
          eugbugposted 21 months ago

          This is for the same period in 2019 with 44 less articles. Traffic by the first week in April was already double what it is in 2023. So I guess due to a combination of downranking of sites and dumping of evergreen articles by Google.


          https://hubstatic.com/16453483_f1024.jpg

         
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