Ron DeSantis - The New Authoritarian
Florida is quickly sinking into an authoritarian theocracy under the hand of Ron DeSantis.
His latest two assaults on any standards of decency is
1) Promoting a new law that prevents Florida public colleges and universities from teaching a curriculum based on unproven, theoretical or exploratory content. Now, this is directed at anything "Christiaan Nationalists" oppose such as gay rights. But an unintended consequence may be banning teaching Christianity itself.
2) DeSantis - who will have effective control of the administration of all Florida public colleges - has directed the board of trustees of a new public liberal arts college named New College of Florida to remake it into HIS VISION of a conservative religious school.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/24/politics … index.htmlI swear, Eso, if I just put an appropriate moustache on DeSantis and ruffle his hair a bit, he would remind me of you know who......
This excerpt below is from an article that points to Republican anti-intellectualism. I had a discussion on another thread with an individual who challenged climate change as supported by the preponderance of the world's scientists, climatologists and meteorologists, solely because she saw the issue on ideological terms rather than scientific ones. She was not able to support her position beyond "because I said so".
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Of course, the issue is not really about the existence of AP African American studies. The Florida Department of Education Commissioner Manny Diaz states that the department “proudly requires the teaching of African-American history.” The real issue is about the content of AP African American studies. DeSantis claims to be taking a stand against so-called “state-sanctioned racism” and indoctrinating students with “woke” ideology. Florida’s Stop W.O.K.E. Act prohibits teaching certain concepts about race and essentially forces educators to teach views that the legislature agrees with, regardless of whether the views contradict established research and academic scholarship.
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That is it in a nutshell. Here is the link to the article.
https://news.yahoo.com/opinion-dont-exp … 33828.htmlI follow a simple rule based on the tragedies inflicted on Americans with every Republican president since Hoover: Never vote GOP in any election at any level. Look at their record:
The Great Depression
Privatized Health Care
Watergate
Watergate Pardons
Iran Contra
Iran Contra Pardons
20-year War in Middle East and Financial Collapse
Uncontrolled Pandemic and Attack on Capitol
Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.Hmmmm let’s really go back, to Lincoln and the inception of the Republican Party which would end slavery. Democrats pushed against and sought to stop Republicans every step of the way….and then some! Do you really want to get into what Democrats have wrought? We are stuck with Gov “holding” our hard-earned money, programmed to believe that what we’ve netted is what we’ve made and they are so kind to help us out later in life….with OUR money. I’m so grateful that I’m close to retirement and will hopefully get my hijacked money back, as for my kids….hard to say, but not looking so good!! The Gov spends money like drunken sailors. Clinton, with his invention of word games, depends on what the meaning of the word is, is. It was a good set-up, Dems cannot even define “woman” any longer.
While on the subject, Reagan wouldn’t have taken his jacket off in the Oval Office, much less, his pants! Obama/Biden, always apologizing for mistakes of the past when their party is the one making the majority of the mistakes past and present, seeking to change the U.S. into something else that they can never define, they just wish for us to take their word for it! No thanks, I’ve learned plenty from history and the party of destruction and despair, aka: the Democratic Party.OH YEAH ... 100% The Democrats are so deep in the mud one can't imagine how they breath.
With breathing straws donated by their beloved Party no doubt!
P.S. No offense to the sailors, thank you for your service!
DeSantis rejects Conservative immigration policy -
* He wants to role back a law backed by his Lt. Gov, .Jeanette Nuñez that gioes in-state tuition rates to undocumented children who attended at least 3 years of high school.
* He wants to reverse a Republican law that allows noncitizens to be admitted to the Florida bar.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/fl … t-00084285DeSantis wants to restrict press freedoms to allow frivolous defamation lawsuits by powerful, monied people.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/2 … a-00084023DeSantis is censoring events at the Florida Capitol that it doesn't like. - More authoritarianism and reminiscent of a fascist or communist state.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/2 … l-00083989DeSantis' handpick Surgeon General (who is prone to conspiracy theories) Joe Ladapo is investigated for allegedly falsifying Covid report
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/2 … t-00084075DeSantis wrote a book a while ago which strongly criticized President Obama. In it, he argued that Obama violated several of our founding fathers principles
What is ironic, DeSantis, as governor, has gone much further than he claims Obama did in violating those same principals!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/25/politics … index.htmlFlorida Governor Ron DeSantis is going to destroy free speech in order to save it, it seems. At least according to his latest assault on a free press!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/23/opinions … index.htmlRon DeSantis simply hasn't a clue as to what he believes. Here is an article showing he was once pro-Ukraine, and now he wants to allow Trump's friend Putin to annihilate Ukraine.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics … index.htmlRon DeSantis is doing a make-over of the New College of Florida in his own image. I heard they will rename it the New Madrasa of Florida in honor of conservative Muslim indoctrination centers.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/us/new-c … index.htmlIs it fair to say DeSantis' slogan to be "Make America over into my own image" or MAOIMOI?
Congratulations on finding a new conservative to rant about. (Have you noticed that you are just replying to yourself on this thread?)
Just because I noticed you are one of the first to post here with DSDS. How in the world you think that is any better than conservatives who rant against Biden just amazes me.
The difference is we provide truth about DeSantis while the Conservatives provide one form of a LIE or another about Biden. (I must admit they occasionally screw up and say something truthful about him, but that is rare)
At least from your warped CNN perspective. (Actually most of your comments on DS are outright lies backed up by fake media lies.)
I feel sorry for you. It must be terrible to live your life contantly deranged and angry.I am glad you feel sorry for me, but know and an very happy and, unlike you and Trump, quite sane.
What truth in regard to DeSantis are you speaking of? Are we still talking about the bill that a Senator wrote and presented, and Desantis had not even commented on? You seem to be once again accusing, condemning, and not even waiting to hear DeSantis's view of the bill.
I am not sure what lies about Biden you speak of. You need to be more precise. What I have noted when much is said about Biden, quotes are accompanying the posts. Let's face it one does not need to look very far to find the negative in regard to Biden, and he sinks himself in his own verbal ineptness.
Desantis seems to be Trump without the hijinks.
People Have been warning that Trumpism will lead to a much more competent and driven conservative politician implementing far-right policies using the same rhetoric but in a less senile way.
Desantis is that politician.
If fascism is to come to America it will be under these sorts of people, Trump was a red herring, he was too demented to successfully achieve a far-right agenda.That is not an unrealistic thought. That danger is real.
GAI agree, DeSantis is an order of magnitude more dangerous than Trump.
Where Trump was street-smart but nevertheless stupid as many hoodlums are, DeSantis is smart by any measure.
Where Trump is solely driven by his ego and narcissism, DeSantis, while probably ego-driven as well, is also fueled by a conservative quasi-religious fervor and white Christian nationalism.Therefore he is much more likely to garner mass appeal than Trump, even though he's just as much of a fascist if not more, he acts "presidential"
He does that for sure. Save for Florida, where we did a terrible job of getting out the votes, I am encouraged that people saw through the Republican BS and stopped the "Wave", Red in this case, that normally happens in the first midterm after the opposite party takes the presidency.
When the dust settled, that was a stunning defeat for Republican.
It is sad to know that 40% of Americans still accept the inequality in America as the norm, and for so many of them, the preferred norm.
Even some conservatives (Paul Ryan for one) have called for a boycott of candidates on the extremes of both sides. From their mouths to God's ear - I say.
Agreed. While I strongly oppose the conservative philosophy, there are still many like Paul Ryan who are good (if not misguided) Americans and think they are doing the right thing.
Makes a lot of sense to me, far right politics, that includes white nationalism defines DeSantis even though he does not have a white hood over his head.
The lack of a white hood is precisely why he's dangerous, we're exiting the era of outcast weirdo white nationalists and entering the era where white nationalism tries to present itself as a respectable opinion, with proponents wearing suits and slick haircuts yet still keeping the same dagger pointed at the necks of all good men, women and enbies that won't go with their heinous agenda.
Look at the book banning agenda. Under Hitler and "Don't Say Jew", books from brilliant Jewish physicists like Albert Einstein were tossed into the fire. With DeSantis, I am disturbed. He would censor the works of twentieth century black intellectual James Baldwin because he was Gay? It may be another cover for the censorship of ideas that frighten the American Right.
What does his sexual orientation or his race have to do with the content of his work? This is the kind of tyranny that we are seeing with DeSantis and his ilk and as you mentioned before, it is quite dangerous.
But these young people will not be denied:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/sch … -rcna13702Are you suggesting DeSantis might set up concentration camps for gays and blacks? Oh yes, we had those in the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s (and for Asians in the 1900s). For those of you on the Right, that was Sarcasm.)
It is the old gradualism and slippery slope trick.....
Offer a proposal that seem innocent on its face, setting up the next shot as one would do on a billiards table. Next thing you know, you have an environment reminiscent of the "Third Reich" right in your very backyard. And all would be in awe as to how we got there.
Yes, I would not put even the most egregious behavior past DeSantis, him and his Republican cohorts would dare to test the boundaries of decorum in their lust for power and control.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc … -desantis/
This is only (for now) a proposed bill, but seems to fit the new norm in FL. SMH
Florida bill would require bloggers to register before writing about DeSantis
A bill proposed this week by a Republican state senator in Florida would require bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.), his Cabinet officers and members of the Florida legislature to register with the state.
Bloggers who receive compensation for a given online post about an elected state officer would have to register with the Florida Office of Legislative Services or the Commission on Ethics — though the requirement would not extend to the websites of newspapers or similar sites.
“If a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state officer and receives, or will receive, compensation for that post, the blogger must register with the appropriate office … within 5 days after the first 164 by the blogger which mentions an elected state officer,” reads the bill, introduced by Republican state Sen. Jason Brodeur.
If additional posts about elected state officers were to be posted, the blogger would have to file monthly reports detailing where, when and by whom the post was published, plus the amount of compensation received. Failure to file reports could lead to fines.This is not sarcasm - we have one-man rule in Florida given the Legislature is a rubber-stamp for anyth8ng DeSantis wants (see the machinations DeSantis used to force an illegal Congressional map down the legislatures throat).
This bill appears unconstitutional, and reeks of overreach. Has anyone seen a statement from DeSantis's opinion of this bill?
IMO, this bodes poorly on him for not responding to this hyperbolic bill. Showing he may not be transparent or forthcoming with what he supports or does not support.Why should DeSantis explain his actions? He has the entire Florida legislature in his back pocket. I, earlier on, asked about the "why".
The question remains: Why?
We have a society where billions of dollars of dark money is sent to political candidates and political crusades, yet DeSantis thinks that he has the right to control the free flow of information.
I live in Florida as well and Lord DeSantis is introducing ever more tyrannical sorts of initiatives and legislation every day.
Just who does he think that he is?
The Republican Party, as a result, has to be considered beyond redemption and is at its very foundation, no good.Did you find any statements that indicate DeSantis is backing this bill? I have not as of yet found anything on his view of the new bill.
I think I will wait to comment on this to see if he supports the bill or if by chance it passes, will he sign it? If he does not respond to this bill openly with a statement, in my view, this shows he is not transparent with his views. I prefer a politician that offers up their views with good speed.I think Credence will back me up on this - I haven't seen anything come out of this legislature that wasn't sponsored by DeSantis in some fashion. He owns the Republicans in the legislature lock, stock, and barrel. And since the Democrats laid back and played dead in Florida in 2022, he thinks he has a mandate with his 60% win over Crist.
We need Stacy Abrams to move down here for awhile. I sure hope Nikki Fried learns from her.Yes, ESO, I back you up. In Florida, we have virtually "one party" rule. I can only hope that more Northeastern snowbirds move in to counter the GOP over influence here.
I don't think there are any fewer Democrats in Florida, if fact I would wager there are more that lean that direction. But the FDP failed miserably in getting Ds registered and to the polls while the Rs did the opposite.
We have 12 months to correct that problem
I am pushing for the FDP to fund offices in each county seat so that the local DECs can staff them with volunteers to better put a face to Democrats in the small counties. The Old FDP starved the small counties just as the NDP starved Florida.
That is why I don't give money to state and national organizations, they don't know how to spend it properly. I did spend enough on candidates around the country, however, to earn a Christmas card from the Biden's. I sent one back and actually got a response. At least their staff is doing something right, lol.
This brings to mind the movie ALL THE KING'S MEN.
If elected, which I don't think would happen, this man would destroy our democracy as we know it.
The bill is being introduced by Republicans, that is telling enough in itself. I doubt that DeSantis is that much removed from their actions.
Could be... However, this sort of sounds like a comment from ECO, on another thread. " "Because, by and large, it is the conservatives who are guilty of all this hate in America and acting on it."
I think it best to just (at this point) hold the Senator who propose the bill responsible for the bill. It may never pass or be signed. I am not willing to assume this is a bill DeSantis cooked up or will even support. It's unconstitutional. Plus Desantis is a well-educated attorney. "A native Floridian with blue-collar roots, Ron DeSantis worked his way through Yale University, where he graduated with honors and was the captain of the varsity baseball team. He also graduated with honors from Harvard Law School. "
In my view, he would not support a bill that is riddled with first amendment rights violations. He does use overreach to Govern, but this bill is beyond overreach.
I hope he does come out and make a statement in regards to the bill soon...You know what speaks louder than words about how DeSantis feels about this legislation? The Deafening Silence that is coming from him. You are absolutely right about how terrible a proposal this is - yet DeSantis has not said a word against it (that I know of). To me, that seals the deal.
I don't know, DeSantis seems more interested in promoting the conservative agenda, with free speech rights merely getting into the way.
You have to ask why is it that Republicans are introducing this sort of legislation? Surely those in the Florida legislature are not illiterate and would recognize how out of line their proposal would be.You might want to consider all Republicans are on the same page. We have a far-right element that pushes an agenda all its own. Just as the Democrats have.
I don't think Republicans are all on the same page at all. I think a lot of Republicans are angry and upset that the party has been hijacked by the far-right and it's many illogical conspiracy theories. I think you have a Trump base that is quite outside the thinking of traditional conservative Republicans.
It is pretty clear we have an element holding onto what they believe was a fraudulent election and are mad and don't see Jan 6th as the Democrats see it. We have a segment of very conservatives and some that are just very discussed with the Biden agenda. Many divisions in the party. Our foundation is not stable, at this point.
Only time will tell if we all can pull back together -- we are not real famous for doing that... We love pedestals, and many prefer the air up on a pedestal.The very serious problem we could soon be facing is that the large amount of Americans in the middle, who don't want to choose either side, will be forced into one camp or the other.
I find the positions of Credence and Esoteric to be just as abhorrent and dangerous as those who advocate "Far-right" positions of race or religion.
What remains of the MSM may support and favor the positions Esoteric espouses, but there is a reason why no one is tuning into CNN, because the vast majority of people don't agree with or believe in what they are peddling.
The effort on Jan 6th may just be the precursor to a much larger civil unrest that may ensue if any number of things that are on the precipice of occurring, do indeed happen.
An expansion of the Ukrainian war, to include direct American effort vs the covert efforts we have so far given, a collapse of the American economy more severe than we have already suffered, these are things that can trigger an awakening of the American people into action... against their own government.
That approaches closer to the surface with each new misstep and failed foreign negotiation that the Biden administration makes.So, Ken, what distinguishes the viewpoints of ESO and me from that of the rest of you? Do you have a "label" for those that hold such abhorrent views?
Entrenched is the word most suited to how I see your positions.
Often presenting animosity towards those who offer counter arguments, especially when those counter arguments seem well founded, rather than counter them with facts of your own, you label a person a Republican or Trumpster, ending any real discussion.
Years ago in the past, you could often change my perspectives and opinions on things, when you brought forth not animosity or hostility, but well founded, well articulated counter arguments.
We have both changed since those years before Trump, you have hardened, I have become truly detached from American/Western MSM and all the messaging that goes with it. We are in different places today, for sure.
I base my understanding of what is going on today from those who are there, or, from sources outside the us, or, from those within our government, from former officers and CEOs, etc. I ignore the MSM and if I want to know about a subject I will dig for my own answers.
If I get one hour of MSM news a month, I would be surprised, and that is most likely of an interview of someone like Tulsi Gabbard I seek out on Youtube.
I focus on what I consider real threats to our wellbeing as a nation, a people, a civilization, right now that is Biden and his warmongering.
That is Biden and his spend now, pay later continuation of the devaluation of the dollar.
DeSantis is a governor, his actions aren't putting the American economy at risk, he is not making enemies of the nation with the largest nuclear reserves or agitating former allies like Saudi Arabia.
I don't worry about the hurt feelings of some teachers, or Disney folk, there concerns or wants are irrelevant when Western Civilization is teetering on the precipice and we are relying on the incompetent leadership of Biden, Harris, and their Administration to see us through it.Alright, Ken, let's get this all out into the open air, shall we. Kudos to you, first off, for having the stones to challenge me.
I see your positions as entrenched, while you say that they are beyond partisanship, your words and points of view expressed therein appears to be the contrary.
We were always in different places, my opinions have not changed but have been reinforced in the light of recent events.
I won't offer hostility toward your counter arguments, but they are going to have be well supported, having "your ducks in a row". There is now no compromise for me with the Right and rightwing ideas, why should I embrace them?
Who is to say that your sources are not just as biased and partial as you accuse myself and ESO's of being? How much of your biases color your "understanding"? Neither one of us are mere errant school boys that you can awe, nor have we just recently fallen from the "turnip truck".
Tulsi Gabbard has far too many conservative viewpoints, positions for which I am going to naturally disagree. While you may consider her a hero and patriot, I do not.
You were pointed in blaming Biden and by extension, Obama for everything, including a rainy day. Yet, Trump played no role in our current economic calamities? That does not sound impartial to me.
De Santis is not President, that is the reason there are no national issues in his regard. The only armistice Putin wants would be unacceptable to the Ukrainian government. It is easy to be armchair warrior, Ken. If we let Ukraine be taken by the Russians what does that say about the viability of NATO and the alliance?
"Western Civilization" is just a code word used by White Nationalists to refer to White Supremacy. I don't care about the offended sensibilities of white people unwilling to accurately visit and acknowledge the past. I do care that DeSantis would desire to identify and penalize those that speak against him. Democracy and FairPlay is where the rubber meets the road.
Your opinion is just that. While I acknowledged that, that in itself is not going change decades of education and experience that I have supporting my views. i can be moved away from that only with compelling evidence that will involve a lot more than saying "I said so".
Your ideas as to what are threats to our nation and mine may well be two different things. So, my being entrenched in my views automatically assumes that your perspective is the only correct one? I do my own research and studies and come to a different conclusion. I speak of filters and regardless of what you say, you have your own that is rightwing skewed.
I can take on any issue that you want to discuss and surprisingly we may find points of agreement. But, that cannot be expected very often.Based on your references and links, you use American corporate controlled MSM sources mostly.
These are sites that serve corporate interests, serve government interests, they are, in short, propaganda.
The key to finding out what is going on, in reality, for a particular topic, is to find sources of information right at the scene, or finding foreign coverage that has 'NO skin in the game', or getting it from an expert or insider that is not speaking about it through a corporate media site.
Its not perfect, but it is much more substantial and factual than what you will get from the likes of CNN.
Thank you for labeling me, again, and telling me what my beliefs are.
And here I thought I was using it to refer to what passes for all these social constructs of equal rights and freedoms VS. what passes for rights and supports in countries like Saudi Arabia or China.
First correction, Ukraine is not, nor ever was a member of NATO.
Second, the Ukraine government is a farce, a construct of our interference in their government... as in US interference. Which I laid out a year ago in multiple threads. There is no war in Ukraine without US efforts. Period.
Russia made it very clear what it was willing to accept, there is no way to deter Russia from getting what it wants without the U.S. getting directly involved in this war.
That is not "armchair warrior" speak, this is coming from a proven strategist with plenty of 'boots on the ground" experience. And I have listened to other, well informed current and former Officers on the matter as well, the discussions not made for MSM news. The folks in the Pentagon and elsewhere haven't gotten any smarter since I left, more arrogant perhaps, but not smarter.
Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands of people, they do not have the resources or manpower to extend this war, they cannot win it without direct intervention... anything you here to the opposite of that is a lie.Why dont you share the sources of your information so that I can determine for myself that they are both accurate and authoritative and yet unbiased. Then, I can see for myself how much more reliable your sources are then ones used by the rest of us poor mortals.
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Don't intend to label but when I hear the term "Western Civilization" and its preservation, I smell a rat.
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An excerpt from Adl.org.
Alt righters use terms like “culture” as substitutes for more divisive terms such as “race,” and promote “Western Civilization” as a code word for white culture or identity. They tend to avoid explicit white supremacist references like the “14 words,” a slogan used by neo-Nazis and other hardcore white supremacists. While alt righters share the sentiment behind the “14 words” they’re more inclined to talk about preserving European-American identity.
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As for the Ukraine, yes, it has never been a part of NATO. Who are you to say that the Ukrainian government is a farce? From what I gathered the Russian Federation under Boris Yeltsin agreed to and acknowledge Ukraine's independent status in 1991. What is Putin's authority to renege upon that? Providing a few of those infallible sources of yours would lend credibility to your expressed viewpoints.
I forget to acknowledge that you probably have more experience in much of this area than I would have. It is just that you have biases of your own, so it's "trust but verify".
If the evidence is convincing and conclusive, I will acknowledge that and step back.
And WHY are we "entrenched". I am "entrenched" to the idea that in base 10, 1 + 1 = 2. No manner of fanciful thinking will get me to think otherwise.
I am "entrenched" to the idea that Trump is trying to destroy democracy because that is what all of the available evidence points to.
I am "entrenched" to the knowledge that Trump is behind the insurrection, again because that is where the evidence leads.
I am "entrenched" to the knowledge that DeSantis is anti-gay because all his rhetoric and policies declare that to be true.
I am "entrenched" to the idea our Constitution is a superb document and should be followed - something that MAGA is not "entrenched" to.
I will agree that Western Civilization is teetering, but it isn't Biden that is the danger, it Trump, DeSantis, MAGA, and those who give support to their dangerous ideas.
Specifically, what "positions" of Credence and I do you find "dangerous"? Is it our position on equality? How about on honesty? Maybe it is recognition of the fact that Trump is destroying our democracy?
Your comment about CNN appears to be driven by the fact that CNN reports the truth. If people are not watching CNN, they are watching similar content on ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS - far more people that who watch LYING FOX.
I agree with your "precursor" comment so long as Trump and MAGA are in play.
Biden has done a masterful job at putting and holding a coalition together to counter Putin's aggression.Biden has done a masterful job ensuring we have an escalating war where none needed to be.
Biden has arm-twisted nations like Germany into his efforts, and made sure there would be no treaty or armistice.
Biden has worked diligently to ensure there were new topics of divisive nature brought onto the national stage for debate.
Supporting CNN as a bastion of truth, like you do, is exactly why I consider your opinions and positions extreme and dangerous. For most well informed individuals, I do not need to say more on the matter.
Ken, I can only agree, in my view, the country is on the very precipice of very serious problems where Americans will be forced to choose either side. I feel many Americans will make that choice on what suits ideologies.
Some Americans are well dug in, and these kinds of cemented mindsets can be abhorrent and dangerous as those who advocate "Far-right" positions of race or religion. When one becomes so entrenched in a given belief, it can blind them to compromise, and leave little room for others' views. Even when facts are offered to at best provide room to reconsider another's view. I find this a dangerous quality.
The left media support is waning. I follow ratings, and it is clear CNN is still plummeting, showing some very low ratings. Could it be more are waking up to the fact, that these left media outlets are espousing unnecessary turmoil, by reporting much out of context?
In my view, Jan 6th should have been a wake-up call, and yes even a warning that we have American citizens so disgusted with their status quo that they were willing to protest, and enter our Capitol, to attempt to stop Congress from doing their job. I agree this was just the precursor to a much larger civil unrest that may continue. I feel that we have a very volatile situation going on, and many are complacent. Shrugging off issues that we as a Nation have not faced or not faced in a very long time. Such as a proxy war with Russia --- never dreamed I would ever have the need to outer those words. Or the fact we have a man in the White House that, IMO, is very compromised., and again, IMO, this party has weaponized our highest Government agencies.
As a rule, I won't use the name Hitler, but I must say I am seeing much of his ideologies being played out in today's society --- firstly dived and conquer. Spread righteousness that gives one human being power over another, and cancels weed out those that do not agree. A type of reversed racism causes the dislike of any group or groups they find do not have their beliefs. Tear down values and morals that are felt to be unnecessary.
This is all so crystal clear to me, and being perpetrated so quickly.Credence and I are "well dug in" because everything we believe and claim is based on provable facts and very strong logic (minus the rare errors, of course). So, I like to think our position is very well supported and reasonable and OUGHT to be "dug in" because it is true. In my view, being supported by fact and strong logic is NEITHER abhorrent or dangerous - it is just the opposite.
You are misinterpreting the ratings then. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS all carry the same content and are perceived to be equally honest.
FOX, Newsmax, OAN, and the other minor players on the Right all carry (or often don't carry) the same biased content.
The combined ratings for CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS overwhelm the COMBINED ratings of FOX, Newsmax, OAN, and the other minor right-wing outlets. (I have provided numbers previously) Hopefully, you can now see where you are very wrong.
What the Jan 6 committee proved beyond a doubt that a large swath of American's have been deluded by a lie. Since there is mountains of evidence proving the lie, it can only be their fault and desire to bring down this democracy. Look at how many Russians believe Putin and support a totalitarian state. These people are no different in their mindset. They appear to not want a free and open society but one based on authoritarianism and conservative religious beliefs.
Their actions are proof of that. Even your words lead to that conclusion. You/They can't hide behind "because they FEEL that way" since there is no reason for them to feel that way other than they want to.
The man in the White House, IMO, is exactly what America needed to right the sinking ship Trump and his supporters put us on. Minus a couple of fumbles, he has done a magnificent job. Also, Biden and the Democrats have done a great job of UNWEAPONIZING the weaponized gov't that Trump left us.
We use Hitler as an analogy because we have learned history and don't want to repeat it. Your description in your second to last paragraph is so spot on when talking about Trump, MAGA, and DeSantis.
More than Trump ever was, DeSantis is at war with a civil society and anything that smacks of equity and fairness.Since Hitler was a socialist you have NOT learned your history, you are just supporting the people that want to divide and destroy.
Socialism will end in being a genocidal maniac? Someone better warn the Nordic countries. Let alone very few of the mainstream on the left are true socialists. Pretty weak false equivalency there.
And I guess the Jews in Israel better watch out to because many of them live in socialist Kibbitzes
It has been a while since I had to explain to someone what "socialism" is and it seems someone here needs educating.
Socialism is an ECONOMIC system where the means of production and distribution of most things are controlled by a single organization - normally the state government. More specifically, it is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
You notice there is NO mention of Public Welfare in that definition. That is where most of those who misuse the term get it wrong.
Yes, welfare is part of most socialist states, BUT THEN it is also part of EVERY OTHER form of government in existence today. The difference is the degree of gov't involvement in providing that welfare.
It ranges from those gov'ts who are the most stingiest (as measured by % GDP spending on public welfare:
36. Chile
35. South Korea
34. India
33. Turkey
32. Ireland (surprised me)
In the middle are:
21. America
20. Czech Republic
19. New Zealand
18. Hungary
17. UK
The most public support
5. Denmark
4. Italy
3. Finland
2. Belgium
1, France.
Of those listed (which do not include Marxist states) the following are considered "socialist" states:
1. India
It should be easy for anybody but partisans to see now that there is little linkage between socialist states and the welfare state in non-Marxist nations.Have you even heard of the modern socialists like Maduro, Alberto Fernandez, and Lula? Are you really unable to understand that they are following in the steps of the German national socialists? They too beleive that the goverment knows best and should be the important part of any state.
And which of us that you claim follow socialist leaders have ever publicly backed any of those names that you just listed? As usual, heading to the extreme to try and paint your opposition in a way that just is not close to reality.
I concede that some of the anti-big business sentiments are comparable, just as you will have to admit that the attacks on the LGBQT community are equally as comparable to the party we're discussing.
But a Maduro attempt to circumvent a legitimate election more resembles one party in the United States currently, that's for sure.No, those people you mentioned are following in the footsteps of the National Socialist German Worker's Party worst enemy - Communism. Facts Matter.
"We use Hitler as an analogy because we have learned history and don't want to repeat it."
Umm...no. Hitler is used as a faux analogy because you wish to be offensive. There is very seldom anything in the "analogy" that makes any sense at all; just a false equivalence that exists only if you can convince the listener to use their imagination rather than reason.Yep. But, I have seen instances where a comparison may be considered, even then I have the impression that your explanation was the motive. Any real comparability was a bonus.
GAWhile this is opinion, it has many facts included. As you read this, think back on your history of how Hitler, Putin, Oban, and the like have come to power and staying in power (save for Hitler).
* DeSantis has packed school boards with his followers,
* turned the Florida Board of Education into his propaganda machine to ban books like “The Color Purple,” “Native Son,” and books on Hank Aaron and Roberto Clemente.
* That board wants to now ban an Advanced Placement African American Studies course, because any historical information that paints white people in a negative light should be banned, nor should there be any books on LGBTQ+ issues either.
* Trump Republicans have admitted to adopting the propaganda tactics of Nazi Germany.
* Hitler’s propaganda turned Germany into a war machine and led to the Nazis murdering 6 million Jews in concentration camps, along with millions of Slavs, Romani, homosexuals, persons with disabilities and other “others.” - Please don't tell me DeSantis and Trump haven't targeted homosexuals, persons with disabilities (or at least made fun of them) and "others" which today would include blacks and Hispanics
* The former German leader’s fiery rhetoric indoctrinated many of his people to think of Jews as inferior and as the direct cause of the country’s malaise.- Not much different than the Trump/DeSantis villainization of immigrants is it.
* Hitler’s poisonous beliefs initially led to an increase in German citizens attacking Jewish businesses, schools and synagogues,
* Now, let’s roll forward to 2020. We see attacks on Black churches, attacks on synagogues, attacks on elderly Asians and attacks on the LGBTQ+ community. Yet what we see is DeSantis (and now Tennessee) passing laws to ban drag queen shows, for example
* We need to realize that attacks on Blacks and members of the LGBTQ+ community (and Asians and Jews) are warning signs of what’s to come – attacks on every group that isn’t heterosexual and white.
* The author related, to show the lasting effects of evil propaganda, When I was 9 years old, my father and I traveled to Germany. We took a taxi from the airport to our hotel. Our cab driver was an unrepentant Nazi who informed his two Black passengers that he loved jazz music and that the Holocaust was Jewish propaganda, because it never happened. He then told us that Hitler made Germany great again.
* We are watching firsthand as DeSantis sets in motion attempts to deny slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws and other atrocities against Black Americans.
https://www.miamitimesonline.com/opinio … 7d073.html
Uhhh...no. We do not use the Hitler analogy to be offensive. We use it because his history is well established and with Trump and DeSantis, we are coming very close to repeating it. It is only imaginary for those with their eyes closed to reality.
So now, I must ask. You don't see the Democrats in government using some of the very same ploys or I should say ideologies that Hitler used?
Absolutely not, I see MAGA as the culprits. The similarities are striking.
As long as MAGA returns soon, to rescue this sinking-fast-Republic, I can live with name-callers, finger-pointers and hostile cynics.
I see we have a different view. I put my case forward. Naturally, this is my view.
I repeat my own opinion in regard to the Democratic party... "As a rule, I won't use the name Hitler, but I must say I am seeing much of his ideologies being played out in today's society --- firstly dived and conquer. Spread righteousness that gives one human being power over another, and cancels weed out those that do not agree. A type of reversed racism causes the dislike of any group or groups they find do not have their "
beliefs. Tear down values and morals that are felt to be unnecessary.
This is truely what I feel the Democratic party promotes.
And unfortunately, Hitler did use these tactics, and he did have a society that bought it, locks stock, and barrels.
Since you think Hitler was a socialist, you haven't learned yours. You just latched on to one work in a title without looking at what National so-called Socialism really is - Fascism.
Hitler was a national socialist, the party is even called that. Why do you think he was not a socialist? Maybe you should look into the national socialists and all of their social reforms that you and your type support.
As I said, you latched onto a word and just assumed the National Socialist Workers Party was actually economic socialism. It was not, it was Fascist and they murdered real socialists. Why would they murder there own kind (unless they are not socialists after all)?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ … ocialists/
I must agree. I see dangerous times ahead with a party that clearly is using some very destructive methods to try to keep power.
I repeat my own opinion in regard to the Democratic party... "As a rule, I won't use the name Hitler, but I must say I am seeing much of his ideologies being played out in today's society --- firstly dived and conquer. Spread righteousness that gives one human being power over another, and cancels weed out those that do not agree. A type of reversed racism causes the dislike of any group or groups they find do not have their "
beliefs. Tear down values and morals that are felt to be unnecessary."
I will disagree that CNN is up to the standards of ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS.
CNN Hits 10-Year Low As Fox News Glides To Victory In ...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyell … d8662e7d09You are nearly alone in that belief. None of your polls say what you say is true, not a one. They just say who has more viewers - period. It says nothing about standards.
This does, however. https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic … -news-poll
Go to the second graph labeled "Which media organizations are trusted more by Democrats and by Republicans"
Given that Trump has spent five years trashing CNN,
* look where CNN ranks among Democrats as being trusted. Right up there with all the other MSM.
* look where CNN ranks among all adults, within 2 points of the best MSN.
* look where Fox ranks among all adults - 6 points below CNN
That spread between Democrats and Repbulicans also explains why CNN has a -4 ranking in the first graph.
Yes, there probably are a lot of Conservatives that are conservative first and Republican second. I'm betting on it because they can't be comfortable with this kind of stuff. If they will stand up this time it will probably attract a lot of Independent Conservatives' attention.
If the more moderate Democrats see strength in that growing coalition they might stand a little firmer against their own more extreme groups. There seems to be more than just hints of the future in Pres. Biden's current no-veto comment concerning a DC laws issue.
We might get lucky. The parties themselves might finally find a little common ground if their extreme groups (extreme either way) lose a little influence.
GAAnd I would agree with you, but they are a small minority now. I also agree that what the Party has morphed into is no conservatism as we know it - Trump, DeSantis, and their adherents do not hold traditional conservative values.
Also, I need to make a finer point here. When I say "Conservatives", I am NOT talking about Fiscal Conservatives (of which I am sorta of one myself). No, I am talking about Social Conservatives, you know - those who want gov't to make you behave as they say you should behave.
Also, I am not defending conservativism here either. As best as I can tell, the philosophy is flawed. It has no guardrails to prevent bad outcomes like slavery and MAGA. History shows repeatedly that practical, applied social conservative principals do not lead to good outcomes.
The other question is "How?". Most bloggers I see do not put contact confirmation on their blog. In addition, I'd like to see Florida try and fine me for doing some thing perfectly legal in my state.
"Just who does he think that he is?"
While both Island and the link present this bill as only applying to DeSantis, it isn't so. The man is not mentioned, just lumped in with all the other elected officials. It is unreasonable to blame him for this, even if the hidden agenda was to apply it to him and all the rest were just "collateral damage" so to speak.It will be up to DeSantis to explicitly deny his involvement, otherwise in a GOP dominated legislature, he is seen as supporting the legislation as a proxy, not allowing his fingerprints or DNA to directly link him to the initiative.
Let's see if he does that....Not sure in general if he would please conservatives with any kind
of support for this Authoritarianism bill. I think many are forgetting we like less Government in our lives.
If he supports this bill, it will have conservatives sit up and take notice, and I don't think he would be pleased with their reaction.I am willing to bet that the most conservatives would support it, we will see.
It does depend on which Conservatives you are speaking of - the majority of MAGA Conservatives or the minority rational Conservatives like Cheney,
And there you go . . . "It does depend on which Conservatives you are speaking of . . . " a point I have been making for a while now.
GAMethinks you took that out of context and you ignore it when I use limiting phrases like "by and large".
And here I thought I was agreeing with you.
GA
America is quickly sinking into an anthoritarian theocracy under the hand of Joe (The Decadent) Biden.
Ron DeSantis got pissed at the CEO of Disney for criticizing his anti-gay legislation. He had his legislature pass a law that allows him to take over the special tax district that has allowed Disney - and therefore Orange County and the State of Florida - to prosper. Anti-business, big government DeSantis' goal is this "This week, DeSantis told supporters that Disney’s opposition to the Parental Rights in Education Act was a “only a mild annoyance” and that the motivation for effectively punishing the company was in response to it allegedly injecting “a lot of this sexuality into the programming for young kids.” He has suggested that the new board could influence Disney’s business decisions by adding park discounts for Florida residents and even altering the company’s entertainment offerings. - Pure conservative values don't you think? (Sarcasm)
Further, after wiping out the current board, he put in five of his henchmen. One of those board members who will influence Disney content is Ron Peri, a former pastor and anti-gay activist. He is what DeSantis' appointee believes about gays:
"“So why are there homosexuals today? There are any number of reasons, you know, that are given. Some would say the increase in estrogen in our societies. You know, there’s estrogen in the water from birth control pills. They can’t get it out,” Peri baselessly said in a January 2022 Zoom discussion, later put on YouTube. “The level of testosterone in men broadly in America has declined by 50 points in the past 10 years. You know, and so, maybe that’s a part of it.” - YES, testosterone levels are decreasing a bit, but nowhere near the 50% Peri claims. Also, testosterone levels do not impact "gayness", only God does. Also, the amount of estrogen in tap water is barely measurable and it also has nothing to do with being gay.
"“But the big part I would suggest to you, based upon what it’s saying here, is the removal of constraint,” he continued. “So our society provided the constraint. And so, which is the responsibility of a society to constrain people from doing evil? Well, you remove the constraints, and then evil occurs.” - So that is how people become gay, interesting.
Peri continues - "In the same discussion, Peri called homosexuality “shameful,” linking it to disease.
“There are a lot of unhealthy effects of a homosexual lifestyle,” said Peri. “There are diseases, but it goes beyond that.”
Peri has also said that LGBTQ people “don’t have a stake in the future” because many do not have children, and he called gay people “deviant.” - I would argue that Peri is the deviant one.
In one discussion, he linked homosexuality to the fall of the Roman Empire – a fringe historical belief occasionally pushed by some Christian activists.
“Homosexuality was praised,” Peri said. “LGBTQ today is being emphasized everywhere, even on children’s shows. And so ultimately the Romans had become weak.” - WOW!
And now he turns on mothers with In other discussions uploaded on YouTube, Peri said that “not very long ago being a mother was the pinnacle of being a woman,” and he compared abortion to genocides like the Holocaust. - It looks like he misses the days when all women were good for is making babies.
This is one sick individual that DeSantis things is good.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/03/politics … index.htmlWhat I see is DeSantis ridding Florida of the Decadent and immoral and filthy low lifes.
According to you, Peri said that “The level of testosterone in men broadly in America has declined by 50 points in the past 10 years.".
The average level of testosterone in males is 4300-1,000 ng/dl. You claim Peri said it has decreased 50%, or about 3575 points.
Did you not read your own quote or did you intend to claim he said something he didn't?Of course I did, but not closely enough, it seems. There is a big difference between 50% and 50 points. Nevertheless, my error is moot plus it gets stranger still.
I am now thinking, having looked into it, Peri misquoted the report he was drawing his information from that did say 50%. It is also possible he was conflating "points
with "percentage" because often when talking about statistics if one measure was say 10% and the next measure was 5%, a person will say it fell by "5 points". The Fact Checker clearly thought Peri was talking about percentages.
In any case, Peri was wrong. Here is the back story - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac … 381735001/"The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a “substantial” drop in U.S. men’s testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year. This means, for example, that a 60-year-old man in 2004 had testosterone levels 17% lower than those of a 60-year-old in 1987."
17% of 1,000 is 170 "points", not "nowhere near 50 points" (although 170 is not near 50).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2 … 89443b8b7f
(My comment included a typo; average level is 300-1,000, not 4300 - 1000.)
Not a medic, not a psychologist, not a biologist, but I tend to agree that low levels of testosterone will not make a predilection towards being gay. Could easily be wrong, though, as I have not researched the question.If it does, my step-son and I may have to come out of closet we don't know we are in, lol.
A show of hands of those who still actually believe that there was a 'Don't Say Gay' Bill and that it became the 'Don't Say Gay' Law, in the State of Florida?
Did the "Don't Say Gay" moniker come from critics of the bill that insist this policy will hurt LGBTQ children?
What I understand about the bill is parents now have a written law that requires parents to be the first to be notified of any health or support services offered to their kids in school and allows them the chance to deny those services on behalf of their children.
It also It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."So, if a child with gay parents want to discuss the sexual orientation of their parents in class, they must be silenced? (I don't see that happening necessarily in kindergarten (although even those kids are much more sophisticated than when I was one), but I can easily see that happening in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grades.)
Worse, is the FEAR teachers now have of being disciplined, losing their jobs, or being arrested for even coming close to discussions on those topics. I suspect that over time, teachers of conscience will vote with their feet and leave the state so that all is left are those with abnormal views about sexual orientation.Actually, I don't think a child's parents need to be part of a class discussion in a classroom unless it is in a class setting that pertains to the subject. I don't think small children need to be exposed to gender identity until they can understand the subject.
I would think if a child in the lower grades brings the subject their parents be notified, and hopefully enlighten them on the subject. The entire class need not be given a tutorial on gender identity in the lower grades K-3.
I can only share my view --- I would be so pissed off if one of my children were exposed to the subject in the lower grades K-3. I believe in letting children have time to enjoy carefree childhood, and not be burdened with such complex problems at an early age.
"I suspect that over time, teachers of conscience will vote with their feet and leave the state so that all is left are those with abnormal views about sexual orientation."
Again you are only considering your view. You need to keep in mind (and this is not my view ) that some find homosexuality and the very subject of gender identity abhorrent for many reasons. Should their rights be taken from them to have their children shielded from the discussions at school?"I can only share my view --- I would be so pissed off if one of my children were exposed to the subject in the lower grades K-3. I believe in letting children have time to enjoy carefree childhood, and not be burdened with such complex problems at an early age"
....and this too is the mindset of {Parent first} Ron DeSantis.So little Jill asks her teacher why can't we talk about my two mothers? The teacher must now reply "because Lord er Governor DeSantis says we can't", "And now I must notify other parents and the authorities you asked that question." (I think that is the intended consequence of the law.)
When "rights" compete, one side must lose, it is a zero-sum game. IMO, the least repressive right should win.
I guess, sarcastically, when the parent who thinks it is their right to discriminate against gay people wants to prevent their child from ever being exposed to it, they need to give their name to the school. That way, their child can be excused while a teacher answers the question about Jill's two mothers. Do you see the conundrum? To allow a parent their right to discriminate, you must disallow another parent not to discriminate. (Poorly said, but I think you get the point.)
Another, more real world, concrete example. I run a business. I hate blacks and will not hire one, period. It is my right to hate blacks and I am exercising my right to hate blacks by denying them the ability to work in my business which is open to the public.
Now the competing right is the right of a black to work where ever they want and applies for a job at the racists' business. So whose rights should prevail in your opinion?
My only view is one of equity. Are you saying inequity is a viable alternative view?That teacher could be truthful, tell the child I am not one that can answer that question, and make the child's parent aware of the child's questions.
First, it seems you feel teachers have all the answers to handle such an issue. Teachers are human beings they have ideologies they value. Ideologies that a given parent may not value.
"I guess, sarcastically, when the parent who thinks it is their right to discriminate against gay people wants to prevent their child from ever being exposed to it, they need to give their name to the school."
I don't see it as one parent discriminating against another. Just making a choice when they want their small child exposed to, actually, anything of a sexual nature. You do realize we are speaking about very young children?
I don't think it should be up to the school's Government when a young child is exposed to non - conventual sexual preferences.
"When "rights" compete, one side must lose, it is a zero-sum game. IMO, the least repressive right should win."
This in my view, is one scary statement... WOW
I feel we need to respect the rights of all. Canceling a person's rights is dangerous, and uncivilized. That is some scary s-it.
However, I have come to believe some in our society feel as you do.
The bill prevents public school educators from discussing topics related to gender identity and sexual orientation in the classroom . But was this ever happening in the first place?
Well, it appears that this legislation “solves” a problem that doesn’t exist. And creates problems where there were none before.Teachers and other school officials are, by law, mandatory reporters in the state of Florida. That is to say, if there is an issue with the health or well-being of a child, teachers and school officials already have a legal obligation to notify law enforcement. Also: Kindergarten through third-grade teachers do not include gender identity or sexuality of any kind in their curriculum.
Feels like another political ploy by DeSantis. Another culture war issue.So, If teachers do not include gender identity in Kindergarten through third grade. The bill should not really be a big deal, because it just legislates grades kindergarten through third grade.
The law does appear political. However, we might be getting ahead of ourselves. I would think it all depends on if DeSantis supports the bill, and would sign it. I am disillusioned with the fact he is not addressing the bill publicly. Still waiting for a statement. I myself, don't like these kinds of political games.
I don't care for government overreach either unless it becomes apparent it is needed. I am not sure what precipitated this bill. Is Florida standing up for parental rights? I could support the bill as written if the state was having problems with teachers veering away from the curriculum, in lower grades.
I wonder what precipitated the need for this bill, or was there a need?Yes, the bill should be a big deal because it now puts teachers in jeopardy.
" I am not sure what precipitated this bill. Is Florida standing up for parental rights? " - The way I see it is DeSantis is using that phrase as a pretext to take away parental rights. Sort of like Putin justifying his war on Ukraine because he fears they are Nazi's.
To me, it is pretty clear what precipitated this bill - anti-gay bias by the conservative legislature and governor.
My hand is up. If you read the bill, it is clearly anti-gay in orientation. The bottom line of it is DeSantis doesn't want childfree to know there are gay people, including other children, among them. That is why there can no longer be a discussion in a K through 3 class about the gay parents of one of the students.
You consistently misrepresent, that's my case.
OK, you beat me into submission. I agree with you, the law is wrong.
"That is why there can no longer be a discussion in a K through 3 class about the gay parents of one of the students."
Last I check in K - 3 our schools did not offer Sociology as part of the curriculum until I think high school. I guess the question is, do we need a systematic study of individuals and social structures thought to very young children? Should we even be introducing or examining the relationship between individuals and society, which the majority of children may find confusing when compared to their own family structure?
A lot to unpack in this thread...
First, comparing conservative news channels to just one liberal option is disingenuous when there is only one sheriff in town on the conservative side and multiple options on the other. For those of us on the left, our appetites fluctuate between the options often, as noted during the 2020 election when CNN's numbers spike while MSNBC's rise in non-election years. But if you look at the combined ratings among the two sets, they will be similar and trying to make a case for superiority is gaslighting that ignores the totality of the viewership between the two groups.
Second, apparently the January 6 insurrection is seen as unrest or unhappiness with one's government. For others, it was the end product of complete brainwashing and the false propaganda of an autocratic movement.
It's comical that Hitler was mentioned when this tactic is straight out of his playbook. Just as marginalizing and driving hatred towards a subset of your own population was. In today's world, one side sees the MAGA extreme as the one's being marginalized while the other side sees the LGBQT community on the receiving end of that tactic. Another example is the rise in hate crimes from openly racist terminology by those in positions of 'leadership.' It used to be automatically disqualifying to use a term like Coco Chow publicly. Now a huge segment of the American population doesn't even bat an eye at such open racism.
Lastly, someday many wish that the same segment of the population would step back and realize how many realities that are being created for them that are fabricated. Election fraud - complete fabrication that caused, at times, close to 70% of the voting Republican base to believe it and was the basis for fomenting an attack on the nation's own Capitol. Red Wave - another fabricated narrative that ignored so many data points that clearly contradicted it. The 'Joe Biden is ruining our country' narrative can also be put into this category as it ignores so much of what happened prior to his inauguration, and is what has been seen for multiple Democratic terms that follow the end of a failed Republican one - that slow recovery is somehow worse than the destruction of the nation's economy.
The majority of the American right, albeit not all, has been radicalized against their own government. There is a growing movement within the right not only to win, but to win by whatever the costs, even if that entails illegality and violence. And those tactics have become accepted by those same people. That's where the line ended between a political party and a domestic terror movement in the eyes of many Americans and why the country will continue to rise up to defeat any of the candidates associated with that movement.
DeSantis, with his backing of many of the policies of that movement, lumps himself into that category while others like the Cheneys, Romneys, Hogans, Sununus, Ryans, McConnells and Hutchinsons try and speak reason to the insanity of losing another national election - sanity that seems to be falling on deaf and cult-like ears."The majority of the American right, albeit not all, has been radicalized against their own government. " - Wish I had put it that way.
Couldn't help but to note the fabrications made by the GOP front runner (Trump) at the latest CPAC
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/05/politics … index.html
Sowing discord among Republicans is part of my mission statement.I wish I had a mission. All I can get are side jobs.
GA ;-)
I listed historic tragedies for every single GOP president in my lifetime. Where is the list of Democratic equivalencies? Not minor errors like cheating on his wife, which no doubt the list is long and includes both parties. Real damage.
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The best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate has been 33.8% for the third quarter (Q3) of 2020. The worst-ever quarterly growth rate has been -33.4% in the second quarter of 2020.3 Both occurred under President Trump, who declared a national emergency in March 2020 in response to the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic.4"
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I read the entire article. My comment was a poke! A fact, Trump had the best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate. No telling where he could have taken the country if he had a second term. Maybe we would not have this long run of inflation. However, I don't think that is something one should speculate on.
Not interested beyond that."No telling where he could have taken the country if he had a second term."
That is what I was afraid of and relieved that it did not happen....Yeah, maybe we could watch his administration ignore more dangerous testing that would lead to another pandemic that would crush the US economy. Touting the 3rd quarter spending after the government had to dole out money we did not have, that helped put the country $7.8 trillion in the hole during the Trump years is hardly something to brag about. Given four more years, Trump could have gone from adding 25% of the nation's all-time debt to closer to 50% at the rate he was going.
Well, it goes without saying that I am not going to hear much about that aspect....
I look at the end game, how much dod a president rack up in National debt?
My stats show when Trump left office the debt was 26.9 trillion. He added $6.7 trillion to the debt between the fiscal year 2017 and fiscal year 2020.
Now Obama knew how to spend., adding 8.6 trillion... OH my
Biden is running a debt $31.46 T Yikes! Can't imagine what it will be at the end of his term. Will he take Obama's crown?
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/us-debt … nt-3306296
https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprin … president/Sharlee, But Obama did this over 8 years, while Trump has his increase over 4?
So how do we failrly compare that?And that is where your reading of the numbers is off. Trump's budgets were 2018-2021, according to your own article.
FY 2021: $1.5 trillion
FY 2020: $4.2 trillion
FY 2019: $1.2 trillion
FY 2018: $1.3 trillion
And as Cred noted, you're comparing four years of Trump budgets to eight of Obama's in trying to make Trump's spending look better than it was, or Obama's worse - that's a little bit of gaslighting in trying to compare apples to oranges.
Biden is not 'running' a debt of $31.46 trillion. The nation over its history has accrued that much in debt, yes. With Trump adding about 25% of it himself. Although Biden's 2022 opening salvo of a $1.86 trillion deficit certainly is not a good start to his fiscal responsibility.
Well, you called it that someone would cherry pick a brief period. A six-month period though? That was through some rose-colored glasses if we've ever seen it.
"I listed historic tragedies for every single GOP president in my lifetime. Where is the list of Democratic equivalencies? "
What?
Your comment certainly did not ask for a list to compare Democratic tragedies, or did I miss something? We do have a user here that loves to construct lists, but he is most certainly a Democrat. He perhaps could help you add to your list.It was an opportunity to post one, if anyone could come up with anything equivalent. The silence is deafening.
Why would you get personal about a request to provide a national catastrophe where a Democrat was in charge? She's just asking for some historical facts. That shouldn't be something that calls for many emotions.
H1N1 (2009) might be a good example to list for starters.Amid the clamor of abortion news is a quiet case of torture that play out in Florida. Last month, the Washington Post reported the story of Deborah Dorbert, who was forced to carry to term a fetus with a lethal condition called Potter syndrome. When she learned her fetus wouldn’t survive, Dorbert asked to terminate the pregnancy. But her doctors and their lawyers declined, fearful they would run afoul of the state’s 15-week abortion ban. Without any other feasible options, she and her young family passed more than three months waiting for the birth and death. In an interview she described the horrific physical and psychological pain she endured carrying the pregnancy to term.
Unimaginable. This is akin to torture at the hands of government.
And it will only continue. DeSantis just signed a 6 week ban.Disney used their First Amendment rights to express their degust with Ron DeSantis' war on minorities. Authoritarian Ron didn't like being challenged, especially from a company who cares about social justice (which he does not). As a result, DeSantis went to war with the largest employer in Florida and probably its biggest money maker in terms of Florida revenue. It has escalated over time with Disney coming out on top for the moment (DeSantis is sic'ing his legislature on Disney to even the score.)
The latest threat, tax Disny more, putting up tolls on roads leading to Disney (there are already several in place), and BUILDING A PRISON next to Disney hotel.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/politics … index.html
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/202 … pt-vpx.cnnRon DeSantis stoops to new LOWS. Now you only need an 8 - 4 vote Florida to kill somebody. In the only other state to have a lower threshold is the seat of racism - Alabama, they require a 10 - -2 vote.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/desantis- … th-penaltyI don't think I posted about this latest DeSantis OUTRAGE. Now a 12th grade teacher can get fired and maybe put in jail for talking about gender identity to their class. DeSantis is living in the wrong country. I am sure he would feel much more comfortable living around kindred spirits in Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, Venezuela, or some other autocratic nation.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/3 … .%E2%80%9DIt's about time. Disney is finally suing King DeSantis for "weaponizing his political power to punish the company for exercising its free speech rights."
weaponizing his political power to punish the company for exercising its free speech rights.Is that a Tort category? This might be his 'make or break' moment. I bet the odds makers are already taking bets.
GAI'd be interested in hearing which of the Georgia code they're claiming he violated. I highly doubt there is a statute against "weaponizing his political power to punish the company for exercising its free speech rights", particularly when the "weapon" used is to force Disney to follow the same laws as everyone else is.
They didn't cite any Georgia codes. We are talking about Florida.
Sorry - my error. I knew that, and have even been there! Just old age creeping in, I guess.
Exactly...and that's the crux of it. There isn't a state named Disney....Disney is a part of the state of Florida!
If they choose to leave to pretend to be a state in another state, fine by me. BYE!
North Carolina is apparently making a play for Disney to move there.
More on Disney's suit against the Florida Authoritarian.
"“Disney regrets that it has come to this,” the company said in its lawsuit, arguing that it found itself in the “regrettable position” because it “expressed a viewpoint the governor and his allies did not like.” Disney added, “In America, the government cannot punish you for speaking your mind.”"
AND
"“It’s a serious First Amendment case,” Floyd Abrams, the renowned First Amendment attorney of Pentagon Papers fame, told CNN. Abrams said he expected the case to survive a motion to dismiss by Florida."
Ted Boutrous, the First Amendment attorney, agreed, saying that Disney had put together “a powerful complaint.” Boutrous said that Disney’s “First Amendment arguments are extremely strong.”
“DeSantis has admitted — indeed bragged about — retaliating against Disney to punish it for its speech on an issue of public concern and importance,” Boutrous added. “That is a classic First Amendment violation.”
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"The irony in all of this, as pointed out by RonNell Andersen Jones, the Lee E. Teitelbaum Chair and Professor of Law at the University of Utah’s S.J. Quinney College of Law, is that corporations enjoy expanded speech rights because of conservative justices on the Supreme Court."
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27/media/ro … index.htmlNot to abruptly change the subject, ESO, but how about this assualt on the democratic process? De Santis pulled such a slight of hand afterthe ballot initiative supported by the majority, ending lifetime disenfranchisement for former felons in Florida back in 2016.
It all follows a standard pattern of conservatives, legislative bodies denying the rights of the very people who put them there. Maybe, they need to be reminded as to who it is that they work for?
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022 … t-measuresHe is an Authoritarian. Dictators do all things he is doing to Florida.
All I could find was that ex felons can now vote but that the Florida legislature told felons they would have to pay fees like court costs before voting, but since I do not live there am I missing something?
Yeah, DeSantis misled voters by not including in the proposed ballot initiative at the time it was offered the additional impediment of fees and fines. He lost when trying to restrict a demographic that votes for Democrats, so he added so much rubbish to it, for all intents and purposes, nullifying the will of the electorate based upon the Amendment as written and proposed.
"Nearly two years after Florida voters approved a landmark constitutional amendment allowing felons to vote, state officials don’t know how many have registered. They also don’t know how many felons on the voter rolls owe court fees, fines or restitution that would disqualify them from voting under a subsequent state law that limited the amendment’s scope."
That is what you missed.Then there is an unknown number of people voting illegally, at least if I read you right (I don't doubt it is true).
You sound like you approve of that. Or am I getting the wrong "vibe" from your post?Who is voting illegally? Every study done says that is insignificant and has no impact. So why harp on it?
I didn't. Credence made the comment that are likely some in Florida because (apparently) they aren't checking to see if felons have completed their sentence before voting.
Yet you have made the same false claim reputedly over many forums.
When it comes to that, we ALL (including you) know there are illegal votes cast. And we never seriously investigate how many - Democrats are happy to just claim there aren't enough to matter without ever checking.
My point here is to say that ex-felons were to have their voting rights restored under specific conditions that Republicans changed once they lost the ballot initiative.
If the state does not know how many felons owe fees, fines, etc, why are the new voters having the burden placed upon them?
And just like ESO says, this voting fraud thing has been floated around by Republicans ad naseum, as it is a red herring excuse for them to disenfranchise those that would most probably not vote for them. No, I don't approve of illegal voting, in principle.
The entire matter reeks to high heaven, and I live here and saw DeSantis' duplicity, first hand.As I recall that matter, the issue is whether a sentence is completed, as required to vote, when there are outstanding fines or fees. My answer, and that of the state, is "No".
Certainly can't answer the question of why...except possibly that liberals are blocking any move to check. If I understand you correctly you feel that most felons will vote Democrat; it is to their advantage to have them do so whether legal or not. Democrats are not overly concerned with the legality of a vote, only that it happens, so that answer seems reasonable.Liberals can't block ANYTHING in Florida. Another false, meritless statement - "Democrats are not overly concerned with the legality of a vote,"
Your statement that Liberals can't block anything in Florida has to mean they do not have the majority influence to do so, which has to mean they don't represent the majority of citizens in Florida.
Surely you aren't against majority decision-making in a democratically-ruled society group, right?
GA'Surely you aren't against majority decision-making in a democratically-ruled society group, right?'
Stating the obvious of the current makeup of who controls a state's government is now somehow linked to being anti-democratic? That's a pretty big leap and bad attempt at impugning someone's beliefs. Someone is quickly becoming as bad as Wilderness in twisting words to lob false accusations at people.Yep, that was a rhetorical question, but it was not to link 'undemocratic' to anyone, it was to point out that the minority's legislative failures are not the Republicans' fault, it is due to not representing any degree of the majority of citizens.
The things you are criticizing the Republicans for—in this case, are because you disagree with them, not because they are doing something wrong.
I remember this felon-voting controversy. The Left's logic says it is a cut & dried issue, once actual prison time is served the criminal sentence is complete. The contrarian logic asks what about the other parts of a sentence; probation, parole, fines, restitution, et al.?
None of that contrarian view 'disses' anyone's view and it didn't lob any accusations. Surely you don't feel attacked or accused of something just because someone disagrees with it, right?
GA
What I have noted is that "some" liberals or people that lean left are very obsessed with the Red States passing laws that they find go against their ideologies. I do think we have citizens that have lost sight of the fact majority still rule in America. It rules in our Federal government as well as state governments. Majority rules when passing laws, period.
The main argument some make in regard to laws that displease them --- all the citizens are not in agreement. Much of the time the argument is from persons that do not even live in the state that are displeased with.
Some on the left feel they can dictate what needs to be done or laws that need to be changed in Red states. It is more than apparent many in our current society do not respect the majority at all -- not a bit, zero.
They are just always right, they know what is best for all. To hell with the majority.Deleted
The representatives were voted to represent their constituents. Guess if dissatisfied they can get rid of them next time around. Maybe let the people of Idaho speak for themselves. I have not seen any reports of any huge protests. I did see one headline 100 march through Boise to protest Idaho abortion laws. Perhaps they are very satisfied with the law. It certainly appears the Majority is on board.
Dito for Missouri... Maybe you might want to stop worrying about red states and work to ensure your voice is heard in your own state. Unless you live in a red state, it would be likely your views may not be acceptable to a majority.
Both states you mention are red. I would assume they are majority pro-life, as well as they would not support gender-affirming care for ADULTS before passing a bill. Just my view.
I think the problem arises due to perhaps you don't agree with the majority rules. Gosh, I am not sure an authoritarian government would ever go over in America with a majority.What I don't understand about conservatives is they fail to recognize that there are protections built into the Constitution that cannot be legislated away.
For instance, If Idaho wants to restrict adult women from leaving the state and the majority of the legislators vote for it, that does not make it legal. As an otherwise free person, who would has the right to restrict my movement from one state to another for whatever purpose?The context of my comment does not offer my view of the legislation in question being right or wrong or if it is Constitutional. The comment was to point out we still live by the majority when it comes to passing such bills. We also vote our state legislators in via majority vote.
You have diverted away from the context of my reply to FREEDOMRIDER75.
It is also clear if someone feels an unconstitutional law is passed they can bring it to the court's attention, and a law can be nullified by the court. And the people of that state can also vote anyone out they are displeased with.
I don't feel I have the right to get on a pedestal and preach to the citizens of a state that is not my own. They may have many different thoughts on any given issue than I or the majority in my own state.
You brought up abortion. Many red states are very much satisfied with their abortion laws. Since when do individual states not have the right to make their own abortion laws? You mentioned Idaho, and it is clear you have been misinformed.
The Idaho law does not prevent an "adult woman" from traveling to seek an abortion in another state. The law does prevent an adult who, with the intent to conceal an abortion from the parents or guardian of a pregnant, unemanci17 pated minor, either procures an abortion, as described in section 18-604,
Idaho Code, or obtains an abortion-inducing drug for the pregnant minor to use for an abortion by recruiting, harboring, or transporting the pregnant minor within this state commits the crime of abortion trafficking.
see entire law line 15 - 37
https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-conten … /H0242.pdf
This is legal, and in my view, the minor's parents should be aware of what they are doing.
A parent can take their daughter to another state for an abortion. There is no law preventing this.
"Idaho Bans Out-of-State Abortions for Minors Without Parent's Consent. The first-of-its-kind law imposes criminal penalties on anyone who helps a person under 18 leave the state for an abortion and classifies it as “abortion trafficking." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/us/i … .%E2%80%9D
So many people are being misinformed not by the media, but word of mouth."A parent can take their daughter to another state for an abortion. There is no law preventing this." - YET, but some states are trying. And what I hear you saying is if they do, you won't get up on your pedestal and tell them they are wrong.
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More to the point, in the few Red states that allow the people to vote, anti-abortion laws were solidly defeated by an overwhelming majority.
"Many red states are very much satisfied with their abortion laws." - NOT where the people were allowed to vote on the issue.
I am going to be very curious in 2024 to see if Red state legislatures will become more reflective of their demographics. There are a lot of pissed off women out their and the social conservative war on women won't stop and will hopefully will keep pushing women to vote Democratic.
It is still beyond me why ANY woman would want to associate with a Party that thinks they are second class citizens.No, I was not misinformed, I was using a hypothetical situation to make a point. Does a state have a right to disenfranchise black, red or yellow people because all the whites which happen to be the majority in the state vote for it? A lot of southern states were in that mode for a long time.
It is a far out hypothetical, but I need to make this example to show you that certain rights can not be taken by the majority of the voters or state legislatures, since all states laws and legislation are subordinated to the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Meanwhile a Republicans are trying to make it more difficult for citizens to bring issues up on the ballot for a vote. The GOP legislatures do not want to be told by the citizens that abortion laws are too harsh and need to be moderated. Now, we have a case where the will of the majority as expressed through a plebiscite should take precedence over the partisan state legislature. But, not according to Republicans, they believe that the state legislature supercedes the will of the people, even though they are there at my pleasure and my pleasure only (the majority of the electorate). Again, they need to be reminded who it is they are working for.It is very hard to "vote out" somebody they are displeased with in a gerrymandered state. So that is false reasoning.
"But, not according to Republicans, they believe that the state legislature supercedes the will of the people," - THAT is what many of our founders found most objectionable about the States and tried to fix it - they obviously failed.
I have become very aware that MAGA types don't comprehend rhetorical tools such as hypotheticals, similes, metaphors, analogies, etc. They an only understand unsupported false statements put out by far-right propaganda outlets like Russian's American mouthpieces, Fox, Newsmax, AON, and their ilk.
The gerrymandered representatives, mind you. Not a thing democratic about that.
An authoritarian government is going over in Florida, Montana, Missouri, ...
If he had, he would have found only a small minority social conservatives. think that is a good idea. (Results in other states prove that.) That is why he doesn't dare to go to the people.
Actually, it's not pertaining to ideology, it's pertaining to rights. Rights that the left believes are protected by the nation's Constitution which supersedes that majority rule you think is the be-all-end-all. Just because a majority of reps pass something does not make it Constitutional, and the Constitutionality has the final say. Period.
Social conservatives' ideology is not to believe in rights if they conflict with their medieval view of the world. You can observe the truth of that statement every day.
The vast MAJORITY of Americans want safer gun laws. Majority doesn't rule there, why not.
The Vast MAJORITY of Americans want women to have a choice and have access to abortions. Yet the Majority does not rule there, either. WHY NOT?
Yes, but that perspective is just the Republican side of the coin, the Democrats rightly have the same view of Righties. Republican conservatives also want to dictate what needs to be done.
As a thought, and with dictate and demand meaning tell and ask (obviously the strength of each makes the comparison), it might be more accurate to say it is the Righties that are dictating what should be done, i.e all the hot buttons: abortion, religion, etc., and the Lefties demanding that something be done. *shrug, Maybe that's just semantics and as disjointed as it reads, but it seems right to me and it's not intended to be cryptic. ;-)
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Yep, I have seen news of more than a few controversial bills.
But, once again . . . However, it might as accurate to say they are aggressively attempting to restrict change, not Rights. Pick a topic and you will find 'change' involved, and that change isn't always (or even usually), about core 'Rights' (as apart from claimed Rights)
GA
"As a thought, and with dictate and demand meaning tell and ask (obviously the strength of each makes the comparison), it might be more accurate to say it is the Righties that are dictating what should be done, i.e all the hot buttons: abortion, religion, etc., and the Lefties demanding that something be done. "
In my view Righties handled problems. Many red states passed abortion bills, and actually seem to be on top of problems quickly with solutions.
"Lefties demanding that something be done." Can't argue with that...
The problem is they talk a good game and can point out problem after problem... And even say they are going to fix them... They just never have solutions, and move on to a new problem to talk about. The old problem is just no longer a problem.I bet the Democrats would say the same thing (that Righties say they will fix stuff and don't) about the 2022 House Republicans. Or the 2017 'Repeal' Republicans.
To be clear, that's not saying your view is wrong, it's just saying Republicans don't own those valid criticisms.
GASo agree... yes ultimately hypocrisy is universal when it comes to Right and left.
I think I was trying to point out the innate mindset between
the two.
Conservatives are more apt to try to solve problems using common sense.
liberals immersing in conversations that slow problem solving or prevent it all together.
Putin is "handling problems" as well. So is Xi and Maduro and Un and Assad. Is there any other criteria you use to support somebody or some party?
"The problem is they talk a good game ..." - AS I suspected, said without an iota of supporting evidence. I should note that is what good propagandists do. I won't bother to once again list all the things the Democrats HAVE accomplished and what they have TRIED to accomplish but the social conservatives killed. I suspect they will be ignored or forgotten again."Putin is "handling problems" as well. So is Xi and Maduro and Un and Assad. Is there any other criteria you use to support somebody or some party?"
WHAT? My comment was my view o referring to right-leaning/conservatives/Republicans versus Left-leaning/liberal/
Democrats. And their problem-solving skills.
Not sure how you came up with Putin, Xi, and Maduro.
They are authoritarians, that run Nations where the government ruler and his cronies dictate all --- you know the ideologies that, in my view, mirror Amertoca's New far-left Demacrates.
I mean it is very hard not to see this kind of evil seeping into America's Government at present.It is called analogies that social conservatives seem to be incapable of understanding.
With no disrespect intended, "that kind of evil' IS seeping into America's government today.
To use another "analogy", the Germans didn't see the evil of Hitler seeping into their government until it was too late. Likewise, MAGA types don't see the evil that Trump and is sick ideology is bringing to America. But I guess it is OK, as you said Trump "solved problems". It just didn't matter how he solved them."To use another "analogy", the Germans didn't see the evil of Hitler seeping into their government until it was too late. Likewise, MAGA types don't see the evil that Trump and is sick ideology is bringing to America"
Don't agree... Hopefully, the majority of Americans see what the current administration offered in the way of trying to dictate the government has dictated the Rich's need to pay for the poor. We the government have the right to force Federal employees to take a lightly tested vaccine. The Government canceled out energy policies that were benefiting
the people. The government has dictated that we no longer will be able to use gas appliances. The government has dictated we accept millions of asylum seekers that have more than exceeded our cap on how many we let in yearly. Our Government has dictated and deemed that Republicans are obstructionists. Our Government has put spies in Christian churches. Our government has sought to protect a president's son from
prosecution. Our Government has not stopped China from setting up a vile social media site that is capable of reaching any American that has internet or a cell phone. Yet we have no input into what can be posted or viewed on that site... I could go on and on. Note the one word that is prevalent in my list --- that would be government.
Americans need to wake up and see what is truly before them. It's all been done in plain view. Right before their eyes.
Yes, just like the Germans did not have the common sense to see what evil was before their very eyes. Neither do many Americans.
Trump did solve problems, he used basic common sense and made it all look so simple. However, it is clear to me, we have many in our society that just have lost the ability to see the facts before them.
We have such horrific problems that are being ignored. I think it is due to not a brainwashed society, but a very weak-minded society. Not being able to even digest the mess the country is in.
It is being reported 85,000 migrant children have been lost. Just disappeared into our nation. So little coverage, so little care ...
This is what our society has become people that ignore the big stuff, and just talk about what Trump did or what Republicans are doing in regard to gender equality or abortion. Really?
There are thousands of children being expelled in America --- and we choose to dwell on this crap?
I have never, I mean never been so ashamed of the people in my country. The poor mentality, the lack of empathy, and the lack of recognition of what this current government is up to. People talking about weeding out, something needs to be done about a segment of our society... My God, it's time to step back and really look at what is truly happening.
In my view -- Trump did not bring "this sick ideology" to this country. many of our own citizens ushered in the sickness. Minds have become so hateful it's hard to comprehend how one can bear such hate from day to day, month to month, and year to year.
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Biden has nothing to do with a rule made by his DOE proposed he rules.
''"Biden’s America: No More Gas Stoves
April 4, 2023
Weekly Columns and Op-Eds
On February 1, 2023, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) proposed an “energy efficiency standard” for gas cooking products. For those who are unaware, this is a blatant backdoor attempt to ban gas appliances—at least half of gas stove models sold in the United States today would not comply with this regulation according to DOE. The American people deserve answers to stop this draconian measure that would be detrimental for families, small businesses, and rural communities across our nation." https://newhouse.house.gov/media/weekly … gas-stoves
"A September 2022 consent decree required DOE to issue revised standards for conventional cooking products, or determine none is needed, by January 31, 2024. The February 1, 2023 proposed rule would require manufacturers to certify their gas cooking tops do not consume greater than 1,204 kBtu per year."
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product … er%20year.
This rule will have made the industry making gas stoves so extremely expensive that only the very rich can afford these new stoves that meet Government regulations. The regulation will increase the cost to manufacture these gas stoves.
This is a slimy back door grift. But that's what Democrats are famous for - IMO.Not sure you understand what a grift is. Or you just wanted to try and project since it's obvious that Trump's election fraud fundraising was an actual grift.
One that is being investigated, I might add. It is very hard to find ANYTHING Trump has done throughout his life that can be classified as "honest".
"Don't agree..." - OF COURSE you can't. It hits too close to home.
"... take a lightly tested vaccine"- IF IT IS "lightly tested", then you have Trump to blame for that. But in any case, that is a very false claim.
"The Government canceled out energy policies that were benefiting
the people. " - ANOTHER false and unsubstantiated claim
"The government has dictated that we no longer will be able to use gas appliances." - FALSE. This is only under study to help save the planet.
"The government has dictated we accept millions of asylum seekers that have more than exceeded our cap on how many we let in yearly." - ABSURD, this is will withing the purview of gov't authority. That is the same as saying this equally absurd thing "The gov't DICTATED people not murder each other." or the gov't has DICTATED we breath clean air.
"Our Government has dictated and deemed that Republicans are obstructionists. " - FALSE, the gov't DICTATED nothing their, Biden simply told the TRUTH.
"Our Government has put spies in Christian churches. " - MORE unsubstantiated BS
"Our government has sought to protect a president's son from
prosecution." - FALSE on the face of it.
" Our Government has not stopped China from setting up a vile social media site that is capable of reaching any American that has internet or a cell phone. " - YEAH, I guess Trump didn't do that, did he. Spoiler Alert - there comes an ANALOGY - That is like saying the Gov't didn't stop the sun from rising.
"I could go on and on. " - YES you could, one FALSE statement after another.
"Americans need to wake up and see what is truly before them. " - THE CORRECT statement is "MAGA need to wake up and see what is truly before them. ". The majority of Americans already know the truth. That is why Trump LOST in 2020.
" Neither do many Americans." - THOSE Americans belong to the MAGA cult.
"Trump did solve problems, " - YOU KEEP saying that but offer no proof beyond Operation Warp Speed. All Trump did, as many of us have proved many times already, is cause PROBLEMS.
"We have such horrific problems that are being ignored." - ANOTHER Broad brush claim without supporting evidence. What problems are being IGNORED, meaning no action is being taken about them?
"85,000 children - so little coverage" - THERE must be some coverage on honest networks. I googled it and found lots of coverage, you could have done the same thing. (ALSO, Congress needs to provide the resources to allow the tracking of those kids)
"This is what our society has become people that ignore the big stuff," - ANOTHEER broad claim. What "Big Stuff" is society ignoring?
So gender equality is "crap"; Good to know.
I agree with your "ashamed" view, but it pertains to how many millions joined the Trump cult and embarrassed or nation in the process.
Patriotic Americans who still use their brains HAVE taken a step back and learned how cancerous Trump and MAGA really is.To be polite I read your entire comment. I just will agree to disagree.
You just twist my words ou of context. I have no energy to go over your long list.
"... take a lightly tested vaccine"- IF IT IS "lightly tested", then you have Trump to blame for that. But in any case, that is a very false claim."
My context was factual, and you twisted the meaning of my words.
" We the government have the right to force FEDERAL employees to take a lightly tested vaccine"
"Executive Order on Requiring Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination for Federal Employees"
Accordingly, building on these actions, and in light of the public health guidance regarding the most effective and necessary defenses against COVID-19, I have determined that to promote the health and safety of the Federal workforce and the efficiency of the civil service, it is necessary to require COVID-19 vaccination for all Federal employees, subject to such exceptions as required by law."
There were certainly some exceptions as Mentioned in the EO
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … employees/
I have come to the conclusion, you just don't except facts, even when they are produced.And that is my conclusion about you as well. The difference is, I have proof and you don't.
You didn't have to use the words "lightly tested", but yet you did to be pejorative. There was no "twist" about it, those were your words you chose to use to make a point. I didn't do that, you did and blaming it on "context" is simple a deflection.
Did I disagree with the fact that Biden mandated Civil Servants get vaccinated? NO, I didn't. I objected to your characterization that is was a dangerous thing to do because the vaccines were "lightly tested" Methinks you are the one trying to "twist" things, as you put it.
All people of conscience should be obsessed with Red states passing laws removing rights from its citizens. I realize human and civil rights don't mean much to social conservatives, but it does to the rest of us.
"Some on the left feel they can dictate what needs to be done or laws that need to be changed in Red states." - THAT is rich! Isn't it the Red states that are passing laws to prevent Blue states from giving their citizens freedom to chose?
Florida is a highly gerrymandered state so no one has any idea if they represent the majority of the state or not.
Our founding fathers tried very hard to protect the minority with the Constitution. They said so many times while crafting the document. They understood what would happen to a country when you have legislatures as lop-sided as the one in Florida because of gerrymandering. They understood it would lead to oppression of the minority.
That state of affairs seems to be OK with conservatives.I'm not familiar with any Florida gerrymandering controversies, but I wouldn't be too surprised if what you say is true. However, since that is also a Democrat tactic, criticizing the Republicans for it seems weak.
You are preaching to the choir with your Framers thought.
GA
And Republicans are not overly concerned about not putting impediments against people who are legally entitled to vote. And that is a damn site lower.....
*shrug* If they were they would actually check and find out if their claims are true.
What makes you think they didn't? You never do.
Don't blame liberals, Wilderness, DeSantis and his crimson red legislature is in control of this state, heaven help us.
Many poor and minorities vote Democrat and there is a reason for that. It is conjecture on your part to assume that Democrats are promoting illegal voters. I have never had any brush with the law and I am staunchly Democrat, so your implications of felons being associated with the Democrats has not gone unnoticed by me.It looks like the Republicans screwed themselves again. Odds are, a released felon would vote Republican.
In a survey which looked specifically at this:
45% of whites would vote for Trump while 25% didn't know or wouldn't vote. That leaves 30% who would vote Democratic. White-alone made up 41% of the sample.
19% of blacks would vote for Trump while 29% didn't know or wouldn't vote. That leaves 52% who would vote Democratic. Blacks made up 20% of the sample.
It should be clear that Republicans came out losers because of the stupid Florida Republican legislature.
Also the fact that the amendment didn't require the felons to pay the costs the Republicans claimed they had to.
The Authoritarian, Ron DeSantis, wants to hide where he has travelled. WHY?
"CNN
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and his GOP allies have moved to shield the Republican leader from the state’s notoriously robust public records laws as he prepares to launch a campaign for the White House.
One bill advancing through the Republican-controlled state legislature would conceal information about DeSantis’ travel and who he has met with at the governor’s mansion. Another would allow state political committees – like the one where DeSantis has stashed $85 million for his future political ambitions – to report their fundraising activity less frequently."
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/politics … index.htmlFlorida bill allowing DeSantis to stay governor and run for president heads to his desk
The Florida House approved a bill on Friday that would allow Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to remain as governor if he chooses to run for president in 2024, sending it to his for his signature.
Florida election law states that anyone running for an office needs to step down from a position they hold once they are officially a candidate. If signed, the bill would create an exception that the law would not apply to officials running for president or vice president.
The law would also place additional restrictions on mail-in ballots and place the responsibility for a voter to determine if they are eligible to vote on them instead of the state.
Most aspects of the law would take effect on July 1, but the section allowing someone running for president to not resign from their office would take effect immediately upon the act becoming law.That is what you can do in any authoritarian state. DeSantis has thrown away all vestiges of American values.
I heard elsewhere that DeSantis is being compared to a modern day Huey Long.
DeSantis won't talk to a billionaire GOP donor, supposedly because he donated to Trump in 2020. How dumb can you get?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 … of-vpx.cnnMy Esoteric,
So it appears you are dissatisfied with the Florida government, and I assume that this means you are moving out of Florida? Or are you staying with the rest of us who choose to live in Florida?
From the county girl in the backwoods of Florida
Bobbi HunterI have never wanted to live in Florida, but this is where my wife and her family live. So I am stuck in what has become an authoritarian state, which it wasn't before DeSantis.
Good morning Bobbi and Eso. Eso, seriously? "Authoritarian state", is that why everyone and his brother are moving here? Is that why, DeSantis is the most popular Gov in the Nation? I have just returned from Montana and Montanans love their Gov, but not as much as they love ours!!
As the shirts, 'Don't New York my Florida' suggest, 'Don't mess with my State'.
Have a great day y'all!Absolutely. There is no democracy left in Florida ever since DeSantis gerrymandered the state such that MAGA is the only gov't we have.
If an elected DA looks cross-eyed at DeSantis, he removes them and appoints his own person that will agree with him.
If DeSantis doesn't like the way the school system is working, he replaces all the leadership with MAGA-types.
If DeSantis doesn't like the electoral map the legislature draws up, he substitutes his own and MAKES the legislature accept it.
If DeSantis doesn't like the duly appointed Reedy Park authority, he replaces all the members with MAGA types
If DeSantis doesn't like the teaching of real black history, he makes the teaching of it illegal.
If DeSantis doesn't like Trans people, he manipulates the law to make their lives miserable.
And the list goes on and on.
THAT, is an authoritarian gov't."If an elected DA looks cross-eyed at DeSantis, he removes them and appoints his own person that will agree with him."
You mean a bought and paid for activist DA?
Heck yeah they get removed.
So, no answers to Florida's popularity or DeSantis' popularity?"If an elected DA looks cross-eyed at DeSantis, he removes them and appoints his own person that will agree with him."
I am not disputing your post. It may be true ---
It is only fair when posting such an accusation a source be added.
I will start here. I would like a source to verify this is factual.
Time for the truth... We all need to face truth one way or another.Then why don't you, such as your claim the document leak showed America lied about something. Just the statement, no facts. Isn't that hypocritical?
Besides, turn around something you said to me many times - don't you read my posts? I posted the article about DeSantis firing an elected DA in the thread on Roe v Wade. Since you didn't read it there, I will post it here.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi … -rcna76983
I am pleased you at best have excepted majority rules in your state.
My wife talked me into moving here from Hawaii, as I put my foot down about living abroad.
I already knew that Texas was uninhabitable by my standard as was much of the Deep South. I thought that there was hope for Florida being on the cusp. But De Santis and the Rightwingers are determined to extinguish the blue flame using every dirty trick in the book and some not found there.
California was too expensive, I did not care for Arizona politics. The wife wanted it warm, yet I couldn't care less. I no longer needed to commute in inclement weather. I was attracted to Washington State, Oregon or Vermont. If not for the horrendous cost of living and the volcanic fumes (she has asthma), I would have remained in Hawaii.
So, no, Florida was not my best choice, but I will continue to push for the "blue" all the same.
Bobbi, Hey, so glad you said that. Can I assume the majority still is a part of the Flordia government?
SharIt is a fake, gerrymandered so-called majority.
Right now MAGA holds 84 seats to Democrats 35 seats. Based on the political make up of the state, a fairly drawn map would lead to something more like 44 MAGA, 40 Democrats, and 35 Independents.
Since independents are hard to elect, let's split them 19 - 18 giving us a total 63 MAGA to 58 Democrats. So, the so-called majority that exists here is ARTIFICIAL.
DeSantis wants the conservative Supreme Court to overturn YET ANOTHER prior ruling. This one is a 2008 decision that said a child rapist cannot be put to death IF the child does not die.
I can't remember what I thought in 2008 when this ruling came down, but I think I would have opposed it. I understand their reasoning, but in my mind, there are worse things that can happen to a child and rape is one of them.
Now, I do have a caveat to that feeling. It is there can be no doubt they offender did it. There needs to hard forensic evidence and not just witness testimony.
Now, if Florida, I wouldn't support such a law as DeSantis is proposing because he made it very easy to put somebody to death.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/politics … index.htmlESO, I saw this and I am outraged. He is out of line, both he and his Reichstag for proposing such a thing in defiance of the Supreme Court rulings in its regard.
Who does this fellow think that he is?
I already have issues with the death penalty in principle but recognize its application in the most extreme of cases.
Outside of treason in times of war, it should not be used if the accused is not directly involved in causing a death of another.
Next thing you know DeSantis will want to have it apply for black men who whistle at a white woman. That is extreme but a slippery slope is a slippery slope,
The Authoritarian Florida governor Ron DeSantis is on a roll in laying waste to civil rights. He also cost Florida 2000 jobs and a BILLION dollars from Disney in his war on business.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/politics … index.html
Ron DeSantis Signs Law Allowing Trans Kids to Be Taken From Their Families
https://newrepublic.com/post/172748/ron … n-families
DeSantis attacks the LGBTQ community with a series of HATE laws
https://www.axios.com/2023/05/17/desant … lgbtq-laws
Anti-social laws signed by DeSantis this year
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics … index.html
Disney won't come to Florida because of DeSantis
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/disney-end … lake-nona/Pretty soon, DeSantis is going to catch up with Trump in the number of court cases he is involved with.
Restaurant sues DeSantis over his anti-gay laws.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/us/flori … index.html{sigh} see how this works folks:
"Restaurant sues DeSantis over his anti-gay laws"
It is a restaurant which hosts drag queen shows and the show goes on....
Governor DeSantis just happens to be SANE...and doesn't believe that it is suitable to have children in attendance!
He believes, as I do, children should have normal childhoods; allowed to just be kids for the small amount of time, which goes by in a flash!
I have yet to hear a good argument as to how children are benefited from watching this type "show"?!
Who does it benefit, and how...may be the better question⁉️
This protection is also given in the schools; no need to go there with sex talks and illustrations, especially in the lower grades!
It's simply common sense, to most people.
More common sense:
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz … -just-talk"and doesn't believe that it is suitable to have children in attendance!" - DO YOU really believe that made up excuse?
Kids don't see sexualized drag shows, they aren't allowed in. Anybody who tells you that, like DeSantis, is lying.
https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/ … rformance.
https://www.salon.com/2022/06/30/drag-q … parenting/
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opini … 09561.html
https://reason.com/2022/12/29/the-fight … ral-panic/
Kids don't need to be protected from drag shows, they need to be protected from conservatives.ESO, check this out, tyranny can assume a variety of forms.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative … 25634.htmlYeah, I read that and posted it on one of these forums. Sick, isn't it?
BTW, I am handing out petitions to get an initiative on the 2024 ballot to give back a woman's right to chose in Florida. Do you want a copy?Yeah, count me in, drop me an e-mail with the particulars if you need to....
I will. I have a whole eight, so far. For me, that is amazing because I obsoletely hate meeting people face-to-face in uncomfortable situations.
-1000000000000, what type of logic is this. This is what is called inverse inference i.e. what is bad is now good, what is totally preposterous is now logical & other inverse psychologies. WHAAAAAAAT????
Sorry, I don't live in the past. I accept new knowledge and incorporate it. I also don't let religeous prejudices fog my brain. Should we bring back the inquisition?
Oh noooo nooooo- let me educate you. I don't live in the past. Such an idea is beyond logic. I am a Liberal but I am of SOUND/SANE mind. I DON'T believe that young children should be exposed to anything drag in the schools. That is BEYOND INAPPROPRIATE. There is such a thing as boundaries, especially for children. What's WRONG with you???????
I think that is the crux of the matter, not that people are living in the past or are afraid of change... its that what we are being asked to accept today is insane.
The Biden Administration is conducting a war against the world's largest Nuclear Power, on it's border, and we are currently encouraging Ukraine to attack Moscow. The latest attacks on Moscow were run by SAS agents from within the borders of Russia. That anyone is attacking Moscow at all... is insane.
There is no other word that can be used, we have people willing to risk human civilization itself because they are that deluded.
The Biden Administration also supports sex change operations on minors. This is also insane, it is society's job to protect its children from harm. Our government is instead allowing them to be preyed upon.
The Biden Administration supports men pretending to be women, so long as they say they identify as a woman, they should be treated as a woman, allowed to compete against real women, and they want all of society to accept this... and if they don't accept it, they want those people who refuse this insanity to be silenced, arrested, fired, etc.
This Administration is run by corrupt, cruel, and insane individuals... whether they are the ones running the war in Ukraine, or are the ones deciding to push these harmful trends on the rest of American society...
If I were to equate the Biden Administration to its Roman Empire equivalent, I would have a hard time choosing between Caligula and Nero.I would choose Caligula. Caligula was the definition of INSANE.
As is this Administration... chock full of Nuts.
"There is no other word that can be used, we have people willing to risk human civilization itself because they are that deluded.
This Administration is run by corrupt, cruel, and insane individuals... whether they are the ones running the war in Ukraine, or are the ones deciding to push these harmful trends on the rest of American
society..."
So well said. However, their brainwashing techniques seem to be working on much of the population. Which is truely an anomaly.
Sorry, can't deal with such mindless insanity today. Maybe tomorrow.
Now that DeSantis has left Florida to make a failed run for president, he is showing the world what kind of Authoritarian he will be (spoiler alert, much worse than Trump). He is going around the conservative air waves blasting the MAGA hero Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/25/politics … index.htmlJust listened to a discussion of the conservative pile-on to Chick-Filet, and very conservative, evangelical organization because they had the AUDACITY to create a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion department. They correctly pointed out that this exemplifies what America is supposed to be all about.
Doesn't the Statue of Liberty say Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.". Today, right-wing media will call that communist indoctrination or something else equally stupid.
I bet they want to strike the following words from the Preamble of the Constitution - [/i]"In Order to form a more Perfect Union,"[/i] EEK, "Union" - sort of like Socialism isn't it.
establish Justice - they may add the words "for White Rich People"
insure domestic Tranquility - WHOA - that sounds too much like DEI, strike it.
"promote the general Welfare" - OMG - SOCIALISM, strike it.
secure the Blessings of Liberty - MAGA will insist adding the words "except for Women, Blacks, Gays, and Latinos"Now WHO'S s acting paranoid, now, eh. Now who is projecting, eh.
FYI - Projecting is accusing others of what you actually believe or your group believes. That is clearly NOT what I was doing. I was simply applying what MAGA has said in the past to my examples.
For example - "promote the general Welfare". Welfare is NOT socialism in my mind. IT IS socialism in the mind of conservatives - based on what they say here and other places. THEREFORE, I would NOT want to strike that clause from the Preamble. On the other hand, I am certain conservatives wish it wasn't there."promote the general Welfare"
Why would anyone want to remove it? It is the primary job of government, after all. From Mirriam Webster:
welfare
noun
wel·fare ˈwel-ˌfer
Synonyms of welfare
1
: the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
Government is supposed to promote the general "welfare" of the country as a whole.
But "welfare" has another meaning as well:
welfare
1 of 2
noun
wel·fare ˈwel-ˌfer
2
a
: aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need
And this one is in line with what you want the preamble to mean: forced charity from some to a select few others (modern American "socialism"). It does not mean for the population in general, it means charity for select individuals, and it is NOT the primary task of government whether you think it is or not and whether we change the more properly descriptive term of "charity" to "welfare" (as in our system of charity we call "welfare") or not.
You might consider that the people that wrote those documents had no conception of what we now call "welfare"; it was not even a part of their culture. They most certainly did NOT intend to indicate that a government should redistribute wealth for the "welfare" of the poor.A RESOUNDING THANK YOU. Wilderness, there are some people who mentally & psychologically haven't progressed beyond adolescence. Adolescence is the period where one can be fantastical, even utopian in their ideas; however, when one reaches adulthood, practicality ought to set in.
Well, the present day Liberals are adolescents mentally. They have that Peter Pan syndrome. They refuse to grow up & accept reality. They live in the world of fairy tales & believe that America should be such. To reiterate, it is so sad really. It isn't sad but downright schizoid, if not severely psychotic in scope.
Because your side equates "Welfare" = "Socialism"
DeSantis must be really, really stupid - he claims he doesn't know anything about Amanda Gorman's inaugural poem that was banned from a Florida elementary school. He said “This is some book of poems. I never heard of it. I had nothing to do with any of this, but it was a book of poems that was in an elementary school library and the school, or the school district determined that was more appropriate to be in the middle school library. "
He is claiming he "knows nothing about it," ROFL The idiot signed the law that let, in fact encouraged, the to happen.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/30/politics … index.htmlIf I were Ron DeSantis, I would not want my name associated with these guys...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/p … r-AA1coQ0yWhy does Ron DeSantis want to make America look like the fascist fascist State of Florida? He made a funny the other day. He said if you make him President, he will pardon the convicted Donald Trump and get rid of the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, and the IRS.
Once there is no money coming in, he will shut down the federal gov't entirely, I guess.You know, Esoteric, you have to wonder about DeSantis' understanding of what it means to be a leader and public servant.
He panders to the MAGA's, speaking of pardoning Trump regardless of the nature of his offenses. He throws the red meat in regards of DOE and the DOEd. He does not begin his candidacy by speaking of the integrity of the office and rule of law.
DeSantis is both an idiot and a tyrant and I am ashamed that he has come as far as he has. I speaks volum s about the people of Florida.
You know that Trump is trying to get pledges from other candidates to agree to pardon him if anyone of them win the Presidency. He is a dastardly man without an ounce of integrity. Which one of them can take the job of President seriously and still make such a promise to Trump?
DeSantis and his MAGA legislature are having a very hard time passing laws that are constitutional in the Fascist State of Florida. Federal judge shoots down a law aimed at decreasing voter registration.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/us/phila … index.htmlESO, this link was about the shooting in Philadelphia, recently.
Oops, let's try this one.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/politics … index.htmlA wrench thrown into the DeSantis juggernaut, has to be a good thing...
I am laughing my ass off watching this bumbling authoritarian blow any chance he had at beating Trump.
The best scenario I can see is the following:
* Trump is convicted and sent to jail but wins his primary
* MAGA redoubles down on their lysogeny
* MAGA triples down in their homophobia
* MAGA continues to tell women we will throw you in jail for even thinking about getting an abortion or cross state lines to get one.
* MAGA keeps discriminating against Blacks
If all of those things even partly come to pass, we may be fortunate enough to have a Democratic majority in the House (fairly likely) and a supermajority in the Senate (damn near impossible).
Then we can reverse the backward slide to 1787.
And now DeSantis wants to invade Mexico to deal with the drug cartels? What a guy, just who we want to be president.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/26/politics … index.htmlESO, DeSantis is a phony that is throwing immiginary red meat toward the MAGA types. He remains a "nothing burger" without even any meat between the bun.
As I said in a thread I created, he comes off as insincere and phony, at least Trump is authentic in his madness. People see that he is a poor imitation of the master, that is why he continues to lose support even within his own state.
DeSantis' new motto for Florida "Florida is the state where learning goes to die.”
You will find that quote here: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/26/us/new-c … index.htmlThe little Authoritarian, Ren DeSantis, has struck again and hurt many Floridians. Hurricane Idalia came sweeping through leaving massive destruction in its wakes. There is a group of mostly immigrant workers, 2,000 strong, that work for an organization called Resilience Force who crisscrosses America going from disaster to disaster helping to rebuild.
At least 1,000 WILL NOT COME TO FLORIDA because of DeSantis' anti-immigration law. How sad is that.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/us/flori … index.htmlEveryone knows DeSantis lies almost as much as Donald Trump (who holds the record on lying). Well, he lied during the second Republican "debate" again. Here is how:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/27/politics … index.htmlLOL It has been my experience, throughout a long life, that anything "everyone knows" is more likely to be false than true. I think it has been that way through history.
The FAILED, thank God, presidential aspirant, Ron DeSantis, has suffered another set-back to his authoritarian war on his opponents. A ruling by a federal appeals court vacated a lower court ruling in DeSantis' illegal ouster of an elected official.
"Florida voters in 2020 re-elected Democrat Andrew Warren as State Attorney for the 13th Judicial Circuit in Hillsborough County, which led to Warren implementing new policies and advocating reforms. Warren's policies and advocacy ruffled the feathers of Republican DeSantis, who suspended the state attorney from office in August 2022 and appointed a political ally to replace him.
Warren in September 2022 filed a federal lawsuit against DeSantis, claiming he had suspended the state attorney in retaliation for his opinions on abortion and transgender rights that were protected by the First Amendment and sought reinstatement.
In both cases, the statements on abortion and transgender never became policy. Warren never distributed the statements, nor included them in materials provided prosecutors, and never trained prosecutors on them, court papers said. U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle ruled that the suspension violated the Florida Constitution and U.S. Constitution protections in two of six factors but nonetheless rejected Warren's claims on the merits. The judge ruled that DeSantis would have suspended Warren anyway based on unprotected activity."
The federal appeals court disagreed and vacated Hinkle's flawed ruling.
The very Conservative "U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit unanimously ruled on appeal that the the U.S. District Court erred in concluding that the First Amendment did not protect the activities behind those certain factors. On Jan. 10, the appeals court vacated the lower court's decision and remanded the case to the district court to reconsider whether DeSantis would have suspended Warren based solely on unprotected activities."
I find it very encouraging that even conservative courts keep wannabe dictators like DeSantis and Trump at bay.
The anti-business DeSantis also attacked Disney for objecting to DeSantis' war on LGBTQ+ noticed this ruling and says it should also apply in their case against the oppressive governor.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani … &ei=10Boy, DeSantis is such a lying idiot!!
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/politics … index.htmlSo, what do you think of this ESO? The Florida Republicans have the nerve to use tax payer dollars to bail out Donald Trump. As a resident of Florida, how does that sit with you?
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A plan spearheaded by some Florida Republicans to use taxpayer funds to assist former President Donald Trump in covering fees tied to his numerous legal woes was ditched after Gov. Ron DeSantis said he would veto the proposal, per Politico.
The bill was filed earlier this month by Sen. Ileana Garcia, R-Fla., for this year's legislative session, and could allow Florida to give Trump up to $5 million as he navigates four criminal indictments at the federal and state level as well as a second defamation trial with writer E. Jean Carroll. Politico reported that the proposed legislation, which would give money to presidential candidates who were Florida residents, had already received backing from Florida's Republican chief financial officer and a member of DeSantis's Cabinet, Jimmy Patronis.
“It’s in Florida’s best interest to make sure their champion for the President is allowed a fair shot at the White House without being taken down by some fake witch hunt,” Patronis said Monday, per The Washington Post.It is not surprising that Republicans would try something illegal like that - look who their hero is, Trump, a one many crime family. MAGA Republican's simply do not believe in the rule of law or our Constitution. (If they did, they would drop Trump like a hot potato.)
What does surprise me is DeSantis threatening to veto it.
Oh yes, Patronis is taking after Trump by lying about everything.
"As sea levels rise, DeSantis signs bill deleting climate change mentions from Florida state law"
DeSantis certainly proves himself to be a very stupid man.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/politics … index.htmlThis seems to be the worst governor in American history's answer to everything - DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
First you can't talk about homosexuality with his Don't Say Gay law and now you can't talk about climate change with this Don't Say Climate Change rule.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/21/climate/ … index.html
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