How does a religious person contradict having a mind?

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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
You say others have no facts, while basing your life on a pack of lies that control you, as you want to control others. Grow up, get rid of your "devil in the corner" beliefs and take reponsibility for your own life.
You will get much better moral outcomes!
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Okay, I'm not trying to create another argument - I'm just curious: For those of you do not believe in God, a supreme being, a creator - do you believe in "spirits" like the Native Americans and the ancient Celts did?
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  spiderpamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  *off topic* Oh my! What a cutie pie in the pic!
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No. Can't have one without the other.
  
  I do appreciate spirituality though. But that is not the same thing.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, religion does not own spirituality.
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Thanks, Spiderman, for the comment about my granddaughter. Sorry I got off topic. I had read where another poster mentioned tribes' believing in God even though they had never heard of Him, and I thought about this.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
It seems to me that the argument going on isn't as complex as everyone is making it.

Now, I know there a couple of religions represented here.

Spiderpam has continually asked for proof?

Proof of what exactly?

Something that isn't defined by man.

Now- my point of view isn't based on faith. My point view comes from science, philosophy and personal research of questions I had regarding Life. The knowledge I gained isn't open for interpetation. It's based on facts.

Scriptures you find in religious text is open to interpretations. Because, they are NOT based on facts.

FACTS are clearly defined by science and philosophy.

Life and it's true meaning are hidden by religion, because people can not be trusted to live self-responsibly.

History has showed the civilized world, precisely why religion shouldn't be practiced anywhere on Earth.

It's man-made and has only one purpose- to enslave the human conscience and demoralize existence.

You have a consciousness that tells YOU are ALIVE!

You have a conscience that tells YOU between Right and Wrong!

You have free will of thought and actions.

As long as you are self-responsible about every aspect of your life, your honest with yourself and in dealings with others and you protect life.

If you can live your life, as I just stated- then you have absolutely no use for or should you feel the need - to seek guidance elsewhere.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Well Cagsil why don't you give us the true meaning of life then?

Without an after life your meaning of life boils down to a few years of eating, farting, excreting and then you die. Quite the meaning of life you have to offer. Okay let's take it a little further. Let's assume you are living a wealthy life where you basically have everything you want. Fine that's great, but for just a few years in the large scheme of things. Now consider someone living in poverty in a third world country. If that person living in poverty in a third world country believes in God then they are wealthier than you are my friend because they will have an after life. Too bad for you.

See Cagsil religion and belief in God gives us more than you could imagine. It gives us the true meaning of life. Sorry for your measly existence.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil you completely avoided my question.
  
  Now don't bother trying to send me to one of your Hubs cause I won't be going there. Just try to answer the question to the best of your ability.
  
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am glad you consider my life a measly existence. It purposely shows you have no understanding of your own religion.
  
  It shows how ignorant you really are about life. It shows perfectly well your faith is misplaced, because you were not bright enough to leave me alone.
  
  If I didn't answer your question, then you can simply say that and I'd get back to it. There is actually a good reason that I didn't answer your question and that would be because I didn't see you post it.
  
  Now- since you now have my undivided attention. Let me inform you of something.
  
  I don't care what you believe. What's I've learned is factual.
  
  Therefore, you have no ground to stand on, like your pathetic god.
  
  Remember, religion was created by MAN and not to be taken serious in today's society. Why? Because, reality says it doesn't exist- yet morons who don't know the real definition of reality, because they were never really interested in looking up the damn word, shows ignorance about life.
  
  But, if you want the TRUE meaning of life- it is for you to create your own purpose and to never do anything harmful to society. You are to form your own rational and sane thoughts. You are to guide your own life, through consciousness and your own individual conscience.
  
  You are to accept FULL responsibility over your life, that includes spiritual(which means help better society, by doing for others it gives you a satisfaction unmatched by any other source). You are to be honest with yourself and in your dealings with others. You are to protect your life and others.
  
  If you cannont accept that answer, then obviously you clearly don't understand life.
  
  Religion has nothing to do with living life. It isn't needed at all and for those who do follow, it can actually be detrimental to your life. Because, you live a life in a cloudy mist, instead of living like your suppose to.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Now I will make a faith based assumption on the spiderpig to assume her political belief.

I will make an assumption that she is a sheepish Obama supporter. She buy's into all of Obamas speeches looking for no truth behind his words. "Yes sir, mr. president, since you sound smart, you probably are". This is how the spiderpig is trained to believe. Believe as taught. While she is trapped in her ignorant sheepish faith, she see's no separation that Obama is causing in the country. That would require thought. If I am wrong, it's alright because this was just a faith based assumption. I did not logically believe it as absolute. However, the spiderpig will not understand. She will only predict my mentality as rebellious to protect faith and discredit me.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Correct me spiderpig. Tell me that you aren't an Obama sheep.
  
  Afterall, he uses the same psychology the bible uses to capture believers. Make them be dependent on him. You are a dependent sheep mind. Run some more sheep circles and write lies about me to protect your blind faith.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where is the spiderpig?
  
  I wrote this entire political "faith based assumption" for her to show how faith works and she will not answer.
  
  Could it be a correct assumption? Uh oh.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Give it a rest! You will see if you're right soon enough and I promise I won't say I told you so.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Jesus is on the way to cast me to hell for not believing. Your faithfull minds have already filled me in.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You got the wrong Christian bunky! I believe and have always believed that all most everyone will go to Heaven you just may not get the seat you want. I believe hell is for the most evil,hitler,etc.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your god created hitler as you believe your god created all. So blame hitler on gods free will. If he didn't want hitlers, he shouldn't have granted free will. Why did he let hitler kill so many innocents, why didn't your god save them?
  
  I will assume your answer from a faith based assumption: "It is a lesson for our sins."
  
  Me: I thought your jesus already died for our sins?
  
  You: Um, I'll get back to you on that.
  
  What you do not see is that you are a separatist just as hitler. Your faith blinds you to this. Look at the repeated arguements, wars, deaths, your sheep separatist faith has caused.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He didn't die. He atoned for our sins in the Garden of Gethsamane.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Alright. This is a cowards way out. Why do you accept someone else dying for what you do wrong. Pay for your own sins. This would be much more honerable. Do you often ask people to pay for your mistakes? This is selfish.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Was my post to complicated for you? I can simplify it for, it's no problem.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Excuse you?
  
  I found what was stated funny. What's your point?
  
  I was required to understand your post to laugh at his.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'll pay for my sins I just know I'll be forgiven. I'm a coward in your eyes thats ok, I'll survive that criticizm.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I don't ask others to pay for my mistakes. I take pride in paying for my own mistakes. If we didn't make mistakes and pay for them, we wouldn't learn from them. How is it paying for your sins if you will be forgiven? That is a contradiction.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You ever love someone so much, like your Mom, that it killed you to have to tell her you lied or stole something. Her disapointment in you went to your soul. Even though she said I forgive you didn't it tear your guts out when you thought about how you hurt her? Thats the feeling you don't get away with, you just try like hell to check yourself so you don't hurt her again. Does that make sense?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! but you left something out. If my mom only forgave me and didn't punish me, wouldn't I learn from the mistake or be likely to do it again if there was no punishment to learn from? If there was no punishment, I wouldn't learn anything. Simple forgiveness solves nothing without punishment or correction.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The burden of guilt on your conscious is a powerful learning tool. When I knew I hurt my Mom I felt like crap. All It took for me was to look in her eyes and know I let her down. I'm not everybody and I'm not always right but it upsets me to know I have done wrong. In the context of religion I believe God blesses my life and when I commit a sin I've offended him and I hurt inside. Through prayer he says he'll forgive but he expects me to corret my behavior, he doesn't write a blank check future bad behavior.
  
  I have some appointments to go to, go easy on the Christian hubbers they really believe they are trying to help you out. They don't get it right all the time but their intentions are good. If you want an agressive debate hammer me, I can take it. I'll talk to you later.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone is taught a different conscious until they learn their individual conscious. What is wrong to your conscious isn't the same as my conscious. Some do not have capability to know an action is wrong if they have no taught conscious. This is why punishment is sometimes neccessary. Not everyone has teachers as yourself. Some learn from trial an error.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are coming on a religious forum and trying to mock those who believe in god. You don't even know when you are doing something wrong, how will you correct yourself?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is nothing wrong with making people think. Some people such as yourself are incapable of thinking on your own.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So a top 10 religious philosopher and ranked 2 in Spiritual and Religious books cannot think for himself, you are way over the limit of stupidity.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Another question for the ignorant sheep to encourage you to think ouside your pack.

Should belief be continually evolving or content and unchanging?

Can you answer that?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Answer me you silly sheep!
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Belief of what specifically?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Anything and everything. Should belief evolve or stay the same? If you say stay the same, you contradict a learning mind.
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  dahoglundposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whether a person is religious or not has nothing to do with whether they have a mind. Since philosophers throughout history were religious, such as Thomas Aquinas.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Another sheep who doesn't read previous post's. This has already been tried. Using examples of smart people doesn't work to protect your ridiculous faith.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, even if you take "smart people" completely out of his example the statement still stands. It really depends on what you apply the word belief to. For example, I believe the Commutative property of addition. My belief of that property will never evolve or change.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is absolute to you? Was the commutative property of addition there before our conscious minds developed laws of addition? It's only absolute because you believe it absolute with faith. Any belief you have is a simple creation of your mind. Nothing is absolute unless you believe it absolute. Because it is absolute to you doesn't mean it is absolute to me.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like it's your world then man. If life deals you philosophy, become a philosopher. I believe the commutative property of addition, because it is proven through mathematics not faith. Yes, it was there before our conscious minds developed the property. It just took this long to represent it so our 'conscious minds" could see what it was. My point still stands, I will never evolve or change my belief about it. I will also say that many believers and non believers would say the same, because it is what it is.
  
  Dare I say, here is a good example of the proof from Wiki:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition_o … ers/Proofs
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You and I both know wikipedia is rubbish. You consider wikipedia absolute? I agree that many will agree with you, believer or non believer, but only if they have faith in your belief. No belief is absolute or it would be believed by all.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If it's something you believe, it's a belief. lol
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, I wasn't done typing. I was trying to watch football at the same time. I meant I'm not the one who discovered them, but I believe them. The only people who wouldn't agree, are the ones who don't understand. Just because one doesn't understand, doesn't make it less true.
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livelongerposted 14 years ago
Not all theists are dogmatic.

It's quite a (false) leap to go from "we don't know how/why existence began" to "God said to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and to believe this, that and the other." Being open to various possibilities to the former does not necessarily lead someone to the conclusions of the evangelical Christians.
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
What no responses to this?
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
I think that trying to prove the other side wrong is a waste of time, for anyone. I hope you are doing well marine. But you are probably fighting a lost cause. But keep on truckin', I could be wrong
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have been before and you will be again.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I know that, everyone is wrong at some point. At least I am willing to admit that Not sure what I have said to you that is "wrong", but thats cool.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing today.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I meant in general. Other than speaking of religion (which I've never bashed only asked questions), and cannot be "wrong" since it is a personal belief. What have I said that was "wrong"?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice to see you Cole. Even though the believer refuses to learn anything in protection of faith, I am learning how their faith blinds their sheep mind. Granted, it is pretty annoying at times to see indviduals refuse to think in protection of faith.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good to see you as well. Yes I agree that that is the case sometimes.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Cole,
  
  What's up?
  
  How are you today?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, I'm doing well. This week is going to be a lot more chill than last week, no exams And I have Wednesday off of work and school, off to the beach!
  How are you?
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am doing fine. I'm glad your exams are finished and you can relax.
  
  Cool- on the beach thing.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Meditate , evolve yourself and only then will we be able to have an intelligent debate.Right now you are such a silly ignorant person.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey mohit,
  
  What's up?
  
  I can see things are going as well as could be expected.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Life is strange Cagsil
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing strange about it.
  
  I would call it interesting.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would call it both strange and interesting
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
The seat you want??

Does Heaven have different sections? Like orchestra, balcony, nosebleed? How do you get front row? You have to like cure cancer or something?

I don't understand.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
I just curious why you chose to form your belief the way you do?

It doesn't make sense.

I also don't understand why you won't accept full responsibility for your life?

You seem to have the ability of thought, as you've expressed yourself here.

You seem to have a sense for what's right and what's wrong, except for a few things, which are based on facts, that you are calling wrong because of your belief.

I mean, you seem pretty level-headed about yourself and seem to have confidence in yourself, so where does your belief fit in to your life?

Is it something that you really follow or are you just one of those who says, "I believe in god", but I'm not religious?

I'm curious...please let me know.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I really believe what I say but I also know I'm not the brightest star in the sky, so I don't have all the answers. I went to church today and I do as I believe I'm supposed to. I always help out where I can and I cry for people who suffer and I pray. I believe we are entering a time where things are going to change in a profound way because so much of what is happening has been predicted. I watch everyday for signs of the anti-christ. I don't know I would know one if I saw it but I watch. I know you'll go to Heaven and almost all will but I believe there will be levels of glory and if we don't work hard here we may be seated towards the rear but, it's our choice.
  
  The only thing that really fires me up is when non-believers badger a believer, I hate bullies and I will stand up for someone in trouble, I always have. I don't care about what you say to me I can take it but sometimes you guys and gals are too hard on the belivers. If you knew the church people as I do they are good Americans and good Moms and Dads. They don't get it right every time but they try they never just blow it off. They all have problems and everyone of them would stop to help you if they could. We never discuss politics in church, never. We are never told who to vote for or ask who we did vote for. My church has no paid clergy so the money collected goes to service projects in our community.
  
  You're good people you don't have to abuse someone to make your point and if they don't get it, take it out on me when I log on and we can fight it out,ok?
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
I think not.
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getitriteposted 14 years ago
Society and our brain-washed parents gave us this false reality, even teachers. It is "Reality" for the believer, as it was to me when I was still incapable of thinking on an intrepid level. And, unfortunately, it will be "Reality" forever, for some. But it's still extremely absurd.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
I'm pretty sure I have at least one post this forum that gives my answer to the topic, but just in case...

How does a religious person contradict having a mind?

A person can not contradict having a mind. Because, each person has a mind.

How ever, a religous person goes beyond their own minds reality. And, it isn't healthy for the human being to waste energy on such nonsense.

Religion I find is very harmful to society, as a whole.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong. A religious person does contradict having a mind.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't contradict having a mind. It contradicts the proper use of the mind.
  
  Come on Marine.
  
  I know your agrument.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol If it contradicts the use of a mind, it contradicts having a mind.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago

Prophet's childishness !
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing intelligent to add as usual Tantrum.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wasn't talking to you !
  but as you are, let me tell you, that someone who needs 10 years of his life to write a book full of very naive poems, who's prize is 1.50 $ in Amazon, has nothing intertesting to say either.
  It can be ranked above the Q'ran and the bible ,as you have been so kind to let us know ,in every opportumuty you have. that doesn't mean anything
  Harry Potter have more sales than you. So ?
  That makes Harry Potter the better Book ?
  I don't think so !
  Why don't you get real ? nobody's buying your nonsense !!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Still talking non sense as usual, I guess making sense is too difficult for you.
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  topgunjagerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha, i'm sorry mohit, not trying to insult you but that was freaking funny=)
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So what are you trying to do?
  Do you think it is a big joke to get ranked 2 in Religious and Spiritual books till date?
  We are talking Religious Philosophy and not some childrens book.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  you sound like a broken record !
  repeating all the time I am always talking nonsense, and you are ranked above the Bible & Qu'ran !!
  
  you lose credibility ! you're not serious !
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What makes me lose credibility , you saying so you don't have any credibility to start with
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I'm not here for my 'credibility' !
  I can't care less if someone thinks highly of me or not!
  I don't have to hide behind a 'book' to think I'm worthy!
  Or to hide behind a god for that matter !
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good so you understand you have no credibility and absolutely no spiritual knowledge and so no one will take you seriously.
  You cannot write a book of this calibre and neither do you know god so you are just blabbering as usual.
  For once try and say something intelligent.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, everyone knows from your little prophet preaching. No one is capable as you are to write a religious book. You are the chosen prophet!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cant handle the truth.?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Keep destroying yourself prophet. You do all of the work. Keep preaching self awareness as if you have it.
  
  You silly arrogant little prophet. You are not the chosen one.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you decide who the prophet is ? Foolish arrogance.
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topgunjagerposted 14 years ago
you know what, i'm not trying to make enemies here, i'm just here trying to make a difference and convert preachers into doers. i'm sure you all have good intentions but the world could really use the kindness of your heart=) watch this video, i know it's hard to take but how much longer are we going to ignore it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYxVbpvR5-4
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you will preach to the preachers, be a Grand master?
  Dont jump the gun, go step by step.
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  topgunjagerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i have taken steps my friend, what steps have you taken to help feed you're brothers and sisters? why wait when you can be a part of the change "now"
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@mohit
If you continue arguing with me, it only shows how foolish you are !

something i've been showing all the time, thanks to you, and nobody else !
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are definitely very foolish and it is not possible to have an intelligent debate with you as you have no intelligence, people like you mess up this forum.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@Mohit
You're so naive as your poems !
Always coming back for more!
But you know what? you bore me !
Belittleing me doesn't make you great.
It only shows what kind of person you are!
If these are the ways of an 'enlightened' one !.....
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why come here and abuse me and my work?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm trying to teach you HUMBLENESS.
  something that your PRIDE don't let you see!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay so you are the grand master teaching the enlightened ones, how humble, one can definitely learn from you.
  Go to religious forums and abuse the highest ranked religious philosopher on it, tell him his work and rankings are all rubbish ,great philosophy you spread.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No comments!
  More PRIDE display !
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ignorance! You do all of the abuse yourself. You are your own destruction, remember that you silly little prophet?
  
  Your arrogance ruins your work. You silly arrogant little prophet. What did your good book teach about arrogance? I think you need to read some more.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Silly fool is what you are.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
You're digging your own grave !
I'm out of here!

Don't want to see the end !
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
Okay, so let me see if I get this straight. Having religion in your life precludes you from having a mind?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you believe, you have a mind, of course!
  We're all human beings.
  The thing is how believers use it, I think
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes according to Marineallways and Tantrum if you relate with the great masters and their teachings you have no mind.
  How can someone who believes in a higher intelligence have a mind
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say
  Show me where did I say that !
  So you're still digging your own grave !
  Oh Well ! sometimes it's very difficult to learn !!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You clearly can't read you lying little prophet. I said believers contradict having a mind, not that they don't have a mind. Keep twisting words to make them fit you lying little prophet.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean by contradict having a mind? Try and have more clarity if you can with your limited intelligence.
  works as a soldier and says believers work for the government, no limit to your rubbish.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. It contradicts having a mind. Would you like me to explain?
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Um, not arguing your point.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't ask if you wanted to argue. Just asked if you would like me to explain my point.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure. I appreciate all viewpoints.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is honerable. I agree with you.
  
  A mind is capable of forming individual belief through self teaching rather than being taught. When a person joins a grouped belief, they are taught what to believe. They do not have to use their individual mind to form individual belief because they are taught belief by the religion or group. When joining a grouped belief, they contradict having a mind to think of individual belief. This is the best explanation I can provide. I don't see any logical gaps.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I have my belief system, which is, independent of religion as I do not believe in it. I understand exactly where you're coming from. I don't make a lively debater, huh?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes you do. You are honest from what I can tell and don't write circles to protect faith as of yet. What do you believe?
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I believe in something greater than myself, but I'm still the driver. Others let someone or something else do the driving. If it works for them, that's fine, just don't tell me that I'm not handling the wheel well enough on my own.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is honerable to me as well. I have respect for anyone that has a mind strong enough to develop belief outside what is taught.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is a powerful anchor in many people's lives.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. It can be learned without being taught.
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  zampanoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  a cow is much bigger !
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
I was attempting to see if the thread-maker was saying that those who believe are mindless. Not sure what the gist of the forum is about.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeas that is what he was saying.
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
Hmm, makes no sense. It takes a mind to believe, doesn't it?
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monazposted 14 years ago
I find the leading question of the thread a bit confusing.
But I think all religious people are mostly fanatics.
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
Oh, Religion and Politics.
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dino abruzzeseposted 14 years ago
dino abruzzese

hello
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice addition to the topic. I realize your a new, but get situated before jumping and saying nothing, besides hello.
  
  Yes, I realize that saying 'hello' is something, but not really in reference to the topic at hand.
  
  But, thank you for playing.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow! You're brutal!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Come on, did you expect anything less in these forums.
  
  Everyone has something to say, and some don't have much to say.
  
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
8:13 - [In Context|Original Hebrew]
"The fear R302 of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride R303 and arrogance and the R304 evil way And the perverted R305 mouth, I hate.

You silly arrogant little prophet. You claim to know the bible, yet you are full of arrogance.

What does this make you? An ignorant hypocritical little false prophet.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  13:11 - [In Context|Original Hebrew]
  Thus I will punish R503 the world for its evil And the wicked R504 for their iniquity; I will also put an end to the arrogance R505 of the proud And abase the haughtiness R506 of the ruthless. F163
  
  You want me to keep going you silly false prophet?
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zampanoposted 14 years ago
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's why I'd rather go to Hell !
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's already a spot for you there.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you ! now I feel relieved !
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wisest point...I have read! Thank you
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heave?
  
  The wisest point...YOU have read! Hmm....?
  
  You must not read much of the forum. There are a lot of wise reads for you.
  
  But, to give you a little insight on the statement you responded to- Blessed are the poor in spirit(this would mean those who are not believers), for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven(their Kingdom is Earth).
  
  Again, Jesus always taught people to be conscious individuals, to think for themselves and use honesty in their actions, with themselves and others.
  
  His message is quite clear to those who understand him and his teachings. Remember- he also told- "DO NOT worship a false god or idol!", which many simply interpret as no other than him or his god.
  
  And, that's an assumption on a religious follower's part- the god you are to worship is inside you- it is your own consciousness, which lead by your own conscience.
  
  You are NOT to seek outside guidance otherwise. It's NOT required in life to seek guidance from a higher power.
  
  And, Jesus was NOT a higher power. He was a human male.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to make your likeness in clay right now.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Am I making a claim to be a prophet? No.
  
  Am I making a claim to be a GOD? Yes, but only over myself.
  
  Am I making a claim to be perfect? No, no human can achieve perfection, regardless of how hard they each try.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And, where is HEAVEN supposed?
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Heaven is in your heart
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
I've gone toe-to-toe with some who think that their view must be taught to others, too.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, maybe some are incapable to develop a belief on their own without first being taught. Still, this doesn't mean a person should have to follow or be taught their entire lives. People should be taught to eventually lead which would be self teaching rather than follow for a lifetime which I would consider a taught belief.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does this make sense?
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm, kinda. But, I'm fuzzy about the beginning. You mean, you could start out being taught, but move away from that to form your own belief system?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! If you are dependent on a belief system. Not everyone is dependent on absolute belief.
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sooner than laterposted 14 years ago
gotta bring this cherry to the top for the "individual" challenge. sorry for your pains.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No pain, no gain!
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