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   AEvansposted 15 years ago

   I am far from being Atheist and when I was a child I believed in Santa Claus ***sigh**** nowadays children are not even allowed to have an imagination which I believe assists in their creativity. Many of us write and we believed in Santa when we were small. Many of us are believers of God and we believed, I don't believe when you believe in something that is a figment of one's imagination that you become or it causes Atheism. Those who do not believe in God , do not believe by choice due to Science etc. which is truly there choice.

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      sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Creativity does not stem from whether we believe in santa or have imaginary friends growing up. It is Television that is more responsible for lack of creativity than anything.

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         AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Why do you think that?

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   sooner than laterposted 15 years ago

   a few of those doors turned out to be conspiracy theories. Heck don't take my word for anything. I like when people don't. I hope that they research on a personal level. 
   
   I say that pagan based holidays are an insult to God. No matter why YOU celebrate them. If you discover that something is an insult to God, would you have the strength to walk away from it.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Why is it an insult to God when these holidays were co-opted by believers into Christian holidays in order for them to convert more people to Christianity?
      
      This argument, like all the OP creates, is become circular.

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         sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         why is it an insult to God when these hilidays were co-opted by believers into Christian holidays in order for them to convert more people to Christianity? -
         the same reason it is insulting for a grown man to offer candy to children out of a windowless van. You know, people laugh at the Mormons and Jahovahs Wittness's but at least they hit you head on. Its not easy for them to do what they do. And though we can laugh and make insults about them, they have some real strength and conviction to be out like that.

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            Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Well, I guess you know better than Pope Gregory did, I guess he wasn't a "real" Christian.
            
            Many atheists have "real strength and conviction" too. My sister is a Jehovah's Witness, I find it sad they don't even celebrate birthdays...

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               sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I have to say I know better than Pope Gregory did. He should not have incorporated pagan practice into the church. He is just a man. As are all Popes of the past and present. So, he is entitled to mistakes. But this one is a doosie. Makes me wonder if he was more interested in bringing money into the church or souls to the foot of the cross. I bet the first.

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      Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I walk away from fanatics all the time. Their insulting judgmental ideas are an insult to God, who alone reserves the right to judge and condemn. Beliefs are our own, and we are free to have them, but the freedom of thought and choice is not license to pass judgment, the moment we take it upon ourselves to determine who is right and eligible for salvation, we assume God's power that is sin. Many a biblical character was chosen and used by God to do evil things that served his purpose to teach and instruct. The Atheist may very well be a tool to test your faith and capacity to forgive and love. They may be beloved by him for their independence and willful search for knowledge. the truth is we don't know. Until I do I will defend their choice, as I still believe them to be God's children and feel he believes in them still.

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         sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         "I walk away from fanatics all the time. Their insulting judgmental ideas are an insult to God, who alone reserves the right to judge and condemn."
         
         comments like this Scott, how do you know what is an insult to God? How do you determine a fanatic? We could never agree. These "fanatics" propose an idea. Easter is one of the best. It has deeper pagan roots than Christ like roots. The rabit, represents something.
         the eggs, represent something.
         the fact that the rabit lays eggs represents something.
         the day we celebrate easter represents something.
         collecting eggs represents something.
         
         Sure its fun for the kids and a time to bring families together, but so are things like The Passover.
         
         Am i a fanatic, you bet. These holidays when implamented were fanatical of the time.

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   caravalhophotoposted 15 years ago

   Wow...I am also a believer of God and St.Nicholas and my children and their children are also believers. 
   
   There is a difference between the real St.Nick and the one portrayed in cartoons and Hollywood stories. 
   
   As children, I think it is awesome to play into a childs imagination...I mean really, did believing in "Santa Calus" define you as an "Adult", does having fun with your children on that magical morning as you watch their eyes light up and you hear their laughter that bad?
   
   When we were old enough to understand God in our lives, which by the way he  plays a very big influence in our home, we learned the difference between Santa Claus and St.Nicholas.
   
   I am not into Atheism, I am 100% a follower of Christianity and when I do make a mistake, I truely feel better when I have asked God for forgiveness and have been able to remove all the negative energy...I'm not perfect.
   
   Do Athiest not celebrate Christmas?  Is it considered a non-holiday as Johova Witnesses (by the way, JW's do not celebrate any holidays except and correct me if I'm wrong...Mothers Day)?  I do have friends who believe in a higher power, not necesarilly in God and ones who really don't care one way or another yet they celebrate this holiday...I'm going to have to ask what they are actually celebrating...interesting.

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   Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

   As far as conspiracy theories go, I don't give them any attention. A theory is a theory, Many believers have pointed this out on these forums to ridicule non-believers and expose weaknesses. Now in Science a theory has a different meaning then in language, and is in fact backed by fact, data, and experiments. As far as religion and dooms day prophecies, these theories are nothing new. I am disturbed by how many of my Christian friends believe the end is near and actually hope it comes. They believe they have arrived so to speak and our safe, having nothing else to do but wait for their reward.

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   awareposted 15 years ago

   thanks Scott i read your freedom isnt free hub and liked it very much

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      Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hey thanks for reading and commenting, I am grateful for the input.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   I celebrate Christmas and I am not a religious person.
   
   It is a holiday of peace and love to me. It is a time for friends and family to get together and show their love for one another. And isn't that what Jesus would want?
   
   It's hard to ignore Christmas anyway, you get time off work, the stores are closed, there are many, many references to Christmas and television specials. I always feel more peaceful and positive around Christmas. Yes, some overdo the commerciality and that bothers me. I don't do it that way.

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      caravalhophotoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for your answer on what you are celebrating. 
      
      I am also not a "religious" person we are a "spiritual family" and again with that said...God is who we celebrate on this day.  We also celebrate love, peace, friends and family.
      
      I never looked at Christmas as just a celebration of "peace and love, friends and family" and I thank you for your response.
      
      Again, this is just a question...does it bother you to be wished a "Merry Christmas", since I believe that term was brought on in a "religious" type term rather than "Happy Holidays"?

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         awareposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         i wana talk to the person that finds it offensive . cus i got two words for them . and it aint merry xmas

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            sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Ok, I will not say that I find it offensive. I cringe a little because people don't know what they are REALLY celebrating.

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            caravalhophotoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I believe that society changed the phrase "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" to conform to "all religions", although throughout History it was Christ who is celebrated. "Merry Christmas" does offend some people.
            
            Some people believe that the term "Merry Xmas" is sacrilegious and would prefer the written use of "Happy Holidays".
            
            Society really has different views and it is hard not to offend someone in todays World.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   Not at all, I always wish people a Merry Christmas
   
   I wrote an article on another site about what to buy your pet for Christmas and it was changed by an editor to for the holidays. That bothered me a bit. I don't have any problem with talking about Christmas.

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   Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

   I define a fanatic as one who uses religion to justify or legitimize a personal agenda that is ultimately self serving, and contradictory to the basic fundamentals of that religion. Telling one that they are doomed to hell and condemned because they do not believe what you say, first denies God's ultimate authority in the matter and place the condemner above God.
   
   radical Islam has nothing to do with Islam, but with power racism, and money. The same is true of Christianity. How many towns filled with Christians and Jews were burnt to the ground by the crusaders from Europe? Here's one Constantinople, the center of eastern Christianity at the time it was sacked and razed by Christian armies.
   
   Modern zealots and fanatics aren't interested in saving souls but condemning them. They hide bigotry, racism, and discrimination beyond professed faith and religious duty. There is nothing holy or righteous in telling someone filled with doubt that they are a sinner and destined to hell.

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      sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I am not sorry that I posted "yes" to your question about salvation concerning pagan holidays. I did not like how you imposed the question and tried to sweep the subject under the rug or make it miniscule. Do I feel people who celebrate Christmas are going to hell? no. but who knows. We can't worship false gods.

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         Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Nobody is worshiping Santa Claus, that's like saying if you celebrate your birthday its idolatry and you're going to hell. That's a pretty broad jump of logic and unsupported by the bible. I could really care less if you think I'm going to hell for celebrating Christmas, its not for you to decide, even in my pride I recognize the true authority in this matter. I know Christ was born in the spring not on December 25, I also celebrate Easter to acknowledge his resurrection. Once again, you talk about people making assumptions then you assume God's authority to decide my fate. Who's going to hell now?

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            sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            just raising questions, not determining who is or is not going to hell or heaven. The issue of these pagan holidays is a little deeper than meets the eye. thats all I'm saying.

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               Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with you, there is alot more then meets the eye, and people should explore it on their own. But if you have faith then it should be a non-issue, like the sabbath, I wonder if God really gets angry that people pay their respects on the wrong day, or maybe he just wishes we'd do it everyday? This is all semantics and wasteful debate. Does Santa Claus cause Atheism, no personal choice does. Is the devil leading you astray? No you know the way and its up to you to follow, remember the responsibility for your fate will fall to you, I don't care how real the devil is, God is not going to accept "The Devil made me do it"
               
               All this is just pointless. Its more ways for people who know the way to justify not following it.

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            sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            well they sure arent worshiping Jesus. thats my point. confusion. All I could think about was gifts when I was a kid waiting for Santa. What am I going to get.

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               Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               You're relating personal experience and using it to generalize. You don't know what they're worshiping, or what they're doing that day. I know hundreds of Christians who spend that day in prayer and study, they even bake birthday cakes for Jesus. Looking at their house from the street you'd not know what was going on inside. What you did in ignorance as a child is a mute point today, you repented and moved on, what are you worried about, I see alot of your own fear and concerns of salvation coming through on your posts. Let it go, and just believe. Stop focusing on the where and why, and whose rules are right and wrong, its not about any of that. Love God and put him first then let the rest fall in line.

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                  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I know hundreds of Christian who spend that day in prayer and study. really? did my personal experience as a child sound unlike the majority. Yours doesn't sound even fractional.
                  
                  then they bake birthday cakes for Jesus? why? he was't born then. So sit around the pagan tree and eat Jesus cake?

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                     Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Give it up man, I only know a few hundred Christians I'm not ignorant enough to say all Christians do this, and why do they celebrate his birthday on this day because they don't know what day its on so observe it on this one. Take your attitude somewhere else, people try to be civil with you and understand it and you piss on them and their ideas and fling the same generic insults around, Go write a hub or something.
                     
                     The only way you'll be happy is if you can find a way to justify your anger and hate towards others. Go on doing your thing the only soul you're damaging is your own. Would you be happy if we gave you a cross and nails so you could show us all how pious and righteous you really are?

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   He didn't incorporate pagan practice into the church, he just used the dates people already viewed as holidays.

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      sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Pagan holidays with pagan practices. Then they become a Christial holiday????????????????? what am i missing here?
      
      let me ask you, do you decorate a Christmas Tree? If so, why?

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    Here's something to consider for Christians. recently I attended a theological debate sponsored by a local Bible college. The issue was Christs official deification by the council of Nicaea. Now long before this it was widely accepted by believers that Christ was the son of God, and the human embodiment of that power. However at the time of his death and for 300 years after there was a continuing controversy concerning this, as most Jewish converts felt worshiping Jesus was idolatry as they are told that there is only one God. It is known that there are many Gospels that have been printed and circulated that contradict Christs deity, and consequently after this council of Nicaea, most of these disappeared. By this decision the Roman emperor pretty mush legitimized the worship of Christ as the son of God. In itself this is not too drastic as I said before most Christians had believed this from day one, but the other side of that was that Roman emperors believed themselves to be the so called Sons of Gods, and worthy of worship. By saying it was okay to worship the son of God they were by extension saying it was okay for Christians and Jews to worship the emperor and pay him homage. Most of what all believers practice was set forth by this one emperor and the council he convened. Judaism, Christianity, and what we know about Jesus would never be the same again.

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years ago

    I find it hard to believe that a guy called SAINT Nick caused athiesm. I was brought up as a child believing in Santa and yet I live in a very catholic family. I still believe in God.
    
    Santa does not cause athiesm. That's just an excuse. Athiesm is just a disbelief in something. It's all about the brain, some people are more susceptable to believe in things. I am one of those people apparently.
    
    Surely, it follows psychological logic, that people who don't believe in God are less likely to believe in Santa.
    
    Next we're going to try blaming the Tooth Fairy for cancer or the Easter Bunny for world hunger. Santa does not cause athiesm because there were athiests way before there was a Santa.

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years ago

    As for the Merry Xmas comment - the letter X has been a symbol for Christianity for hundreds of years.
    
    X = Cross (like the one Jesus died on)
    
    Therefore the abreviation is not sacreligious.

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       Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Careful that logic and sound historical fact are going to offend people. There's no time for reason or rationality in the forums. Believe what I say or pay the price that the motto here.

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          L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I know, I'm going to stay quiet now. The funny thing about zealotism on this site is that I believe in God and yet when I use logic to support arguments for God I get called a heretic by all the zealots.
          
          A lot of people don't seem to realise that logic and religion can go hand in hand and that things aren't just black and white.

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             Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Welcome to the club.

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       caravalhophotoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Taking the word "Christ" out is considered by some sacriligious and personally when I am wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" I take the time to let them know I am celebrating Christ.

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    sooner than laterposted 15 years ago

    "A lot of people don't seem to realise that logic and religion can go hand in hand and that things aren't just black and white."
    
    what logic? you mean, do I understand why pagan rituals and days were incorporated into the church? Yes, I understand why they did it.
    
    Black and White? you mean right and wrong.
    
    So, I think it is not logical that people cannot decipher right from wrong once something has become the tradition of man.

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       Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       On the issue of right and wrong, and black and white, let me interject this question. I will admit from the start it is neither fair or easy but valid nonetheless.
       
       I have been to war and willfully taken lives. I knew it was against God's Commandments and even Jesus' I should have forgiven my enemy and loved them, but I valued life, my life so i fired my weapon, and now here I am today while may enemy who felt just as right and just rots in a grave.
       
       Will I go to hell, when the question of right and wrong came about, I chose a third option, that which was necessary. We do live in a world with many shades of gray. To say this is not so, is to be oblivious to truth. God saw many evil things happen out of necessity and good, Without a gray area in between man would then be in the position of having to say God was wrong. There is more then wrong and right, black and white.
       
       If not then every executioner is a murderer, and all who refuse forgiveness destined to hell. You who refuse to love your enemy are guilty as well. Once you draw a line in the sand about morality you soon find yourself on the wrong side of it. There is no forgiveness in absolutes.

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          sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          look, take life how you will. Are you going to hell? I dont' know. Killing a man is not the unforgivable sin. If ever I was in the military, i would be a medic. but thats just me.
          
          are there reasons to fight- probably. I'm sorry for those who have had to. I'm not the judge. I have met alot of people who have killed before. One of my personal friends was an Apache Helicopter Pilot in Desert Storm. He killed way to many to count. those of you that understand how good the optics are in an apache understand that he problably saw the whites in their eyes. But we have enemies within. that is what is more concerning to me than the man with a gun.
          
          "fear not the man who can take you life, but he that can take your soul". isn't this an incredible statement?

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             Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             What a cop-out answer for a man of absolutes and certainties. Its what I expected though.

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                Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                You may as well bang your head against a wall. Most religionists sign up for the certainty. Or at least - just in case,
                
                Been there, seen it, done it, decided there is only one way.......

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                   Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Yeah strange how this believer always comes away with more respect for Atheists and nonbelievers then other Christians. Everytime I leave the forums I wonder.."Do I sound that crazy when I talk about God?" What an exhausting mental exercise in futility.

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                      Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Not as far as I am concerned you don't. But then you are open to the idea that jesus is an ideal and an internal struggle rather than an external savior.
                      
                      And this opens you to the idea that god is not an external person. In fact - he is in you, and available regardless of whether you are a "sinner" or not - because you get to decide what is a sin.
                      
                      This will not work well with traditional evangelical christianity that relies on you accepting that YOU are worthless and some one else did the work for you and what you need to do is what you are told and the rest will be taken care of.
                      
                      This is to prevent you from thinking for yourself and - as an ex US marine - I am reasonably certain you are familiar with how this ends up.

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                         Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         You pretty much nailed my take on it, funny how I can take a bible and say it supports every one of those conclusions. But in the end I don't need to. I think its enough to support it with my own decisions and choices. No I'm not worthless or undeserving, I ran into this issue early in life being used by those who portray themselves as the portal to God. Its a control tactic similar to the head games abusive men play on women to keep them around and sad.

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                            Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Sadly - after many years of trying - I have given up attempting to have the type of conversations you are attempting.
                            
                            I now resort to poking fun and provoking them into showing their true colors.
                            
                            Pity really but after 100s of hours of ignored reasonable arguments and logical discussions, I have reached the conclusion that it just ain't worth the effort. The only reason I even speak to them at all is in the hope of preventing the damage they might do to another young person - in much the same way they damaged me as a child.
                            
                            And yes - I feel quite comfortable lumping them together.  Had quite a flash back when this one started with "Are you sure it is OK not to believe? What if you are wrong and GOD damns you for all eternity? Are you too scared to go against the Holy Spirit?"
                            
                            http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/25714?page=8#post485720
                            http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-are-atheist … oly-Spirit
                            
                            I put him down as English. This is the way English church schools did it back in the late 60s/ early 70s to combat the hippies.........

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                               Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               I save my real explanations on belief and thoughts for hubs. People on forums are either for or against and there's no room for compromise without admitting you're open to suggestions. Strange that we have become so closed to new ideas and options. In the quest for knowledge and answers a student must sometimes realize some answers will not be what we like but that doesn't mean they aren't valid.
                               
                               I see too much what if on here and not enough what about now. Am I to live my life in fear of what ifs or in the confidence of what can be when I choose so. You're right though it just isn't worth the effort or headache, and my blood pressure can't take the strain.

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                sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                You want me to say what I don't know, then 2 seconds later you want to accuse me of saying who is hellbound and who is not. Stop acting childish. I have tried to talk to you on a personal level. You talk to others like I am not here(as to insult me) and you make way too many assumptions to say that "I" am judgmental. All this time you question "me"
                
                seriously, what is your problem? I know pride is one, you already told me. I know that you live in sin, and think its ok because you can relate to sinners????????????
                
                AKA- the most dangerous man in the world. You are a belly rub to Christianity.
                
                Now go justify your actions for taking life.
                
                They can throw me in jail before I do that. Enemy or not. The government who sent you is a little questionable. Hows that for an answer?

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                   Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   About what I expected. You don't like people who live outside of fear, with conviction and belief. I live in sin, and think its ok, that's rich. You do have a gift for trying to turn people's words around and ignoring other replies when they come into conflict with your shortsighted beliefs. Thanks for the honesty though its about time the hate and anger came forth and stopped hiding. Look down your nose at soldiers and serviceman you coward and hide in your hole and hope you are never put to the test. The only thing questionable is your sanity, the government didn't send me, 280 million Americans screaming for vengeance did, more to the point I went because I don't TALK about doing the right thing, I do it.
                   
                   You're a small man and can go take it up with the moderators if you have a problem with people giving your own insults back to you. Or talk to God about it, and see what he says.

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                      sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Yeah, you're a real hero. Now I hope that stupid band stops playing patriotic tunes in your head when you decide to talk to me again.

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                         Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         Wow jealous much or just mad at people who have a backbone and stand for what they believe. Let it go man, this ain't your pulpit, forum or website. You came at me and started all this don't cry now. I tried to be civil and you wouldn't have it so you wanted to play dirty and be childish, now you don't like that either what's it going to take to make you happy then pistols at dawn or burning me at the stake. Just let me know I'm pretty accommodating.

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                            sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            a look back at our conversation clearly looks otherwise. good day to you, preacher of "love".

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             Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             So fear is the heart of love? Bull.

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       L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Oh dear, I was hoping to stay away from religious debate.
       
       So I am just going to say that no, that is not what I mean. That is not what I mean at all. Not even close. I mean, geez, talk about putting words into my mouth.
       
       I mean that there are several rational arguments that back up the existence of God. For example physics can be used to prove a creator force (something can't come from nothing) which can be used as an argument for God.
       
       As for the whole Christmas debate. Noone worships Santa, if so then they're a bit daft. People know that Jesus was born on Christmas. More people worship Jesus than woship Santa. You see no churches to Santa. He isn't really a threat; just a loving, fat guy.
       
       Although I do thank you for supporting my point about zealots on this site. You just had a go at me even though I was supporting the idea/concept/sanctity/belief of/in God.
       
       =]
       
       I shall just say that I am not trying to cause an argument. I believe in God. Seriously, I do. But my point is straight forward belief isn't the only support for him/her/it. Logic and reason can also be used.
       
       It doesn't just have to be science vs religion. There is ground inbetween where science can support religion. THAT is what I meant about black/white. Not paganism and ethics and whatever you were on about.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    Way back in the twentieth century when I was a teenager I was reading my grandmothers Bible. At the time I did not know that several different had translated the bible. I do not know if it was Tysdale translation Luther's or who's; I remember it was printed in 1876.
        I remember that it said that Jesus had mentioned his not being in this world for much longer. One of the desciples then said " Tell us when your birthday is so that we may celebrate it"  Jesus then said " Don't celebrate my coming into this world, If you have to celebrate anything celebrate the day that I leave it".  I have been trying to find that verse over the years and can not find it. Has anyone else ever seen this verse.

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    awareposted 15 years ago

    i posted xmas a few times . wana know why i used that term? cus Christmas is to long a word . its easier for me to type. see how simple things can be?

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    On that note I'm outta here. This has once again become a pointless argument of personal belief. Sooner, take care have a great week, as always you are the author I love to disagree with. everyone else, be sure that you don't get so wrapped up in debating life that you forget to live it. Later folks.

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years ago

    Can't we all just get along?
    
    Why the constant need to argue?

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years ago

    All of you just, please, shut up! Seriously, now you're all acting like children! Enough is enough! Just accept that people believe different things and leave it be! I am using way too many exclamation marks! ARGH!!!

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years ago

    Wow, that seemed overly angry...
    
    It's not, by the way, but I hope you see my point...

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Are you a pirate Luke?

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       Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yarr he could be

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       L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Ok, I give up about this whole argument.
       
       MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR!

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          sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          What is your exact position on religion?

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years ago

    I have considered the prospect...
    Unfortunately I live pretty much as far away from water as you could get.
    
    I also thought about becomming a ninja for a while. Then I figured I'm probably too fat. I did have lessons in ninja when I was younger though so you never know.

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       Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hehe. You could come to Florida
       
       When I was little I wanted to be a mermaid.

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    bill yonposted 15 years ago

    look out for the demons in the candy,they might be in the presents too.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    Goodbye spewer of hate and anger may you live a long productive life and may all bow to your religion.

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       sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       No, your religion is the popular one. not mine. "if they hate you, remember that they hated me first".
       
       You dont' have to wory about that quote, everyone "loves" you. oh preacher of love, man of infinite wisdom, killer of his "enemies", man of honor. So strong is he that held the guns and killed his enemy. So weak is he that stands for what he believes?

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          Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          WoW!
          
          That is deep.
          
          Is there a hidden meaning in that  that I am too stoopid to get?
          
          Will the spider woman be able to 'splain fer me?

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             sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             It would just require a little reading Evolution guy. I know you are the man for the job, as I have seen the novels you post.

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                Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                ALready read your book. It was wank and produced people like you.

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                   sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   You read! Now I'm impressed!

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             sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             No one can help you.

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    drej2522posted 15 years ago

    Hold on a second....SANTA ISN'T REAL??? Noooo!

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    drej2522posted 15 years ago

    Let's get back to important issue here...There's no SANTA??

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       wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       
       I hate to dash your hopes and dreams...
       
       But yes it is true. There is no santa.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Sssssssshhhhhhh!

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       Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I had an argument once with a kid who said Santa was dead. I said, "he can't be, I saw him on Ed Sullivan last night." True story...
       
       Then again, at the same time I was worried that Batman was going to be killed by the Joker on the next episode

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       sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yes there is! Have you written your letter yet?

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    AEvansposted 15 years ago

    I just wrote about Santa can't give you the hub but he was real and he doesn't cause Atheism in Fact St. Nicholas was a priest and then became a bishop only on HP can we find such unusual topics.

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       spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       If you say so.

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    sooner than laterposted 15 years ago

    What have you been doing today?
    I think your thread induced 12 converts today
    
    good subject.
    
    I want to tell you, there are many pieces to the pie that lead to atheism- they all complement eachother. True work of the devil.

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       spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Doing well, thank God. This subject was not my idea. My
       youtube friend noticed the trend, I started to notice it here and there you go.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    Just one comment...
    
    
    Just because there is a video on YouTube does not make something true...

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    spiderpamposted 15 years ago

    
    
    Another case of Santa Syndrome
    Mark Knowles stated:
    
    "OK - You believe there is a god.
    
    Children believe that Santa Claus comes and brings them presents when they are good at Christmas.
    
    Your belief is on a par with this and I no more choose to believe in god than I do in Santa or the tooth fairy."
    
    
    More proof Santa causes Atheism. Thanks to Mr. Knowles!
    
     

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry you are unable to understand. I know it is a difficult concept to grasp, so I will explain it again:
       
       A belief in god is a childish as a belief in Santa.
       
       Sorry your beliefs have been proven worthless. You must be very angry.
       
       I don't blame you. I would be too.

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          Presigoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          A lack of belief in God is hopeless abyss that many have found. They hate those who have the true joy of faith and spread the venom to try to rob the rest of us. Misery not only loves company it absolutely needs it

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I do not hate you and I am not miserable.
             
             How could I rob you? Are you saying that because I do not believ - I am "robbing" you of something?

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    Presigoposted 15 years ago

    Spiderpam, you have written a thoughtful hub, I appreciate the hard work and research you have done ! Thank you and Merry CHRISTmas !!!

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       spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Anytime and thanks! Merry Christmas to you as well.

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    Dolores Monetposted 15 years ago

    Santa gives us the opportunity to give without expecting thanks. I like that. Even though Santa is pretty commercial, the spirit of giving and the crazy flying sled are just too cool not to do. When I was young, I thought I'd ditch Santa when I had kids but when I had kids, I just got caught up in the whole HoHoHo.

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    Paragliderposted 15 years ago

    SpiderPam - I agree with you. Santa Claus becomes unbelievable quite early in a child's development. The momentary shock is soon offset by the realisation that (relative) maturity is a good thing. ('When I was a child, I thought as a child, etc, etc'). Discarding Santa paves the way for discarding more invasive, more virulent myths. Discarding Santa is, for some children, the first sowing of the seeds of rationalism. It was for me.
    
    Let's hear it for Santa - he brings joy to little ones, then launches them into youth, and young, free adulthood.

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    AEvansposted 15 years ago

    No offense but this is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard, I am not Atheist and when we were children we believed in Santa. I wrote a hub about Santa you should read it, he was once a real walking, talking, human being who aided the poor, I am standing in disbelief on this one.

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       thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I think this was mostly done in fun, and I find this rather funny.

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          AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I do to and I certainly hope she wasn't serious! If it was it certainly was a ridiculous mis-perception! lololol

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             thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I doubt it was meant to taken too seriously, but I've seen happen more than once, and look at all the fanfare. I think she struck a chord, whatever it is. What did you think of my Christmas hub?

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                AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I truly enjoyed it and have actually gone back several times to re-read it certainly tells the truth and the videos along with the hub are perfect!

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                   thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   You have a lot of hubs for me to get through, but the Santa hub is a great start, thanks for the rather pleasant convo. Goodnight.

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                      AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Goodnite!

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       Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I wrote a hub about Santa too http://hubpages.com/hub/Jesus-God-Santa which does actually lend a little support to Pam's theory. There are certain parallels between the realisation as a youngster that Santa doesn't exist and the later realisation that God also might not exist. I don't think there is a causal link between the two, but the parallels are interesting.

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          AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Well I will certainly read it I always enjoy gaining knowledge.

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    lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago

    And what does the word spiderpam influence?  A fictional character for some? hmmm.........

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       Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       We are each fictional characters in some way or another. We shadow part of our existence and guard closely what we know. We each wear a mask, so as to protect oneself.
       
       It's based on our foundation as a person, a sentient being. As for Santa Clause causes Atheism?
       
       I can see a parallel to each, but no direct link. Santa Clause is for story-telling to kids in their early years, to help give supportive and positive nurturing to fresh minds.
       
       Atheism is a religion. Therefore, it's a business. All Religions are businesses- each was established on a specific code of ethics, bound or bonded to a higher cause.
       
       Does it matter? Not in the slightest.

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    B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 15 years ago

    oh my word..
    ok, yes , we all know that Christmas is jesus's birthday..but come on now, I refuse to ever tell anyone that santa clause doesnt exist and that if they believe in him they are athiests..
    
    pure insanity..
    
    think of the children and their joy instead of some right wing , bible thumping stuff..

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       Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Agree completely.
       Hi Black Cat - how are you?

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       (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Is it really? I thought December 25 was the end day to a three day cycle in which the sun is at it's lowest point in the sky and begins it's "ascent" back upwards?
       
       Well, I certainly learned something today.

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    B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 15 years ago

    wanna hear something ironic, the person who physically, mentally, and sexually abused me for 13 yrs of my life as a child was a "devout christian / Baptist"...hmmmm
    
    kind of makes ya think now doesnt it?

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       maggiebeansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You was unfortunate to have gone through that, abuse of any kind sickens me. But that persons actions are not in line with any religious teachings and I am not religious. Bad people are just bad people what ever faith they choose to hide behind.

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    Stevennix2001posted 15 years ago

    well now that i think about it.  doesn't the belief in santa contradict atheism, since atheists don't believe in god or any type of super natural force; or anything else that could be construed as a fairy tale figure.  at least, that's got me thinking.

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       Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Not worth thinking about unless you know some ADULTS who believe in Santa. Young children cannot be christian or atheist in any meaningful sense. These are adult positions.

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          lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          beautiful point thanks

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          Stevennix2001posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          yeah, you got a good point there. it just didn't make any sense to me once i thought about it. 

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years ago

    
    
    Congrats spider on your Youtube fame!
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN49IPmyCA

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       spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       LOLOL I know I found it last night. I was kinda in shock. Thanks Truth.

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          marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          lol Are you happy about that? Do you think it's good publicity for the biblical believer to publicize they believe Santa causes atheism? I think your sacrasm is getting used against you. Not very smart if you ask me.

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    Valerie Fposted 15 years ago

    Plenty of adults think St. Nicholas of Myra was a real person and a good example for others to follow. So yes, in that sense, lots of adults believe in Santa Claus.

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    thisisoliposted 15 years ago

    And Santa is often brought up in relation to God because he is another authority figure which watches everything,knows if you are good or bad, etc.  God and Santa have a lot of things in common, including the fact that they do not exist.
    
    (Though Santa does one up God on this one because htere is a fair amount of proof he did exist in one form or another in the past)
    
    If you can laugh at a child for their belief in Santa, you can laugh at a religious person for their belief in God.

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       cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       if an adult believes in a being no one has ever seen but who is revered by millions all over the world (God), people think that is perfectly fine but if an adult believes in a being no one has ever seen but who is revered by millions all over the world whose name is Santa Claus, people would cart him off to a mental hospital.

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          Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Good point, Cosette!

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    cosetteposted 15 years ago

    hey there
    
    well, back later. have a great day.

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    Tikimanposted 15 years ago

    Well I've been "studying" Atheism too. Yep! It's as scientific as Shockofgod's reasearche and I have come to a theory of my own.
    
    Rational thought is what distroyed Santa. Rational thought is what distroyed the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy.
    So Rational thought causes Atheism.

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    Precious100posted 15 years ago

    1)IF YOU UNSCRAMBLE THE WORD SANTA IT WILL GIVE YOU...SATAN! 2)IN THE ENGLISH DICTIONARY "CLAUS" IS A SPACE. THEREFORE, SANTA CLAUS MEANS=GIVING SPACE TO THE DEVIL! WHY DO PARENTS LIE TO THERE CHILDREN. IT'S A LIE.

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Why are you spamming all the threads with nonsense?
       
       You're a very angry alter ego !

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       SquigglesMcBeeBeeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       did is the stwangest ting I has ever readed on here.

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          earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Yep! This one is right up there! Should be framed.

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       wsp2469posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Santa Claus was a real person.  he still lives on as a spirit within us all--at least those of us who are good people-lol

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    Tikimanposted 15 years ago

    There is a youtube video about this called
    "Atheists and the Santa Syndrome" by SuperSoylent.

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    The Paulposted 15 years ago

    Every once in a while some theist thinks they're being terribly clever when they point out the simplicity of atheist arguments.
    
    "The problem of evil?  When are you going to stop whining about that childish old thing?"  "Santa, the Flying Spaghetti Monster?  Can we please be serious here?"
    
    It seems not to bother them that even though the arguments are indeed simple and silly, they can not refute them.
    
    Or maybe they resort to ridicule because they can't refute them.

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    Gustavo Magnusposted 15 years ago

    I don't know where to begin here... sorry.
    
    In fact, did you know that 87% of the percentages people mention in blogs are made up? And 78% of the time it works and people think they really have a solid point? This is also scientifically proven, so take that!

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