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Bigcountry12577posted 14 years ago
Tell me how Porn should be protected under freedom of speech? Also tell me something (that's good) that has come from pornography?
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I pray you get no replies! :)It's always sad to see when someone tries to defend atrocities of life.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And, what's that suppose to mean? You claim to be defending the U.S. Constitution, yet you don't want replies to this thread because of the atrocities.
  
  Make up your mind would please.
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  my first part of the answer was in jest...but thanks for proving my point
  
  the point being that the Constitution has been mis-interpreted to please the lowest life aspects instead of the higher characteristics of life
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess the valid questions are did you see my point of the conversation? or did you simply dismiss it? Because I do agree with you on some points of protecting the U.S. Constitutional Rights of everyone.
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  please, elaborate
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Elaborate on what? There are two questions? If you cannot answer either of those two question, then I guess it is what it is.
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I never presume, to the best of my ability, to understand where someone is coming from until they elaborate on their point...
  
  I answered your questions...again as from previous post
  
  my first part of the answer was in jest...but thanks for proving my point smile
  
  the point being that the Constitution has been mis-interpreted to please the lowest life aspects instead of the higher characteristics of life
  
  you sounded like you had more to say in answer
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then it is what it is. No presumption was required in missing my point of the conversation.
  
  Forget it. It would take too long to explain it to you.
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I suppose you are the judge of what are the lower and higher aspects of life? What if I disagree with you and say I am the judge? Then what?
  
  [I put this reply in the wrong place, below. That is why it is repeated here.]
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  gosh yes,I can only go with my heart and with what I have read about what has been written in philosophies, belief systems and religions since the beginning of time...that there are higher and lower levels of consciousness in humanity and how civilizations are best governed... and that if those had been abided by, if we had learned from our histories and connected with our own individual highest level of consciousness, we all would be in a much better position than we are now.
  
  but here we are...and some still choose the way they do...religions, philosophies and belief systems would call that rebellion against the natural order of the Universe...but that is not judging, that is just perspective and as long as I have a say in how things happen in civilization, I will say what I think and feel is right...but I cannot defend what I deem are the lowest levels of character, but I would defend a soul that didn't know any better and is willing to learn to change
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just remember, no matter how "high" you believe your own level of consciousness to be, there are bound to be more highly evolved individuals than you. Will you recognize them? Based on your responses here, I'm guessing not.
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  Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cags and PrettyPanther are both prodding at what I think is the important thing. If we start defining what is "moral" for ALL people, where does that stop?
  
  I'm not a fan of slippery slope arguments, but in a Constitutional system that is arbitrated by Judicial precedents, it's not really fallacious to point out that one person's morality is not another's... case at hand standing as a perfect example.
  
  The people working in the industry, while probably most have troubling childhoods etc., they have found a way to survive and created a community in which they can find some degree of contentment in the span of years they have on this Earth. They are exercising their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
  
  If their right to do it does not impinge on your right or my right, then why shouldn't it be protected?
  
  The only argument that can be made against it is a "moral" one, and that will most likely be defined by someone's religion if it's going to carry any weight at all, and if it does carry any weight, we're heading back onto the road to fascism again, this time labeled "theocracy."
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it stops at Fascism.
  
  n.
  1.often Fascism
  a.A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
  b.A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
  2.Oppressive, dictatorial control.
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  Bigcountry12577posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't you think that this issue has to do with protecting the constitution? When it was passed for porn to be protected under the constitution for freedom of speech shouldn't the people been allowed to vote on it instead of having lawyers argue over the issue. I myself and I'm positive there are more like me that agree lawyers should have no dealings with our rights.
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  Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you're suggesting that tyranny of numerical superiority should be the way we settle this stuff? If a 151 million people don't like something, the other 149 million can just F-off and live with it?
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  Bigcountry12577posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly!
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  creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  mob rule is not the american way
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  Bigcountry12577posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If the majority of the country say's they want to do something then let them vote on it. If it's something I don't agree with and it passes by the majority I need to suck it up or move one or the other. But as long as the country still has some moral fight in them I will stay and fight.
  
  PAUL WELLS
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  creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  good thing we are a representative republic and not a democracy
  
  people scare me
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not even civil rights?
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  PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I suppose you are the judge of what are the lower and higher aspects of life? What if I disagree with you and say I am the judge? Then what?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with this.
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  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agree with what???
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  With what I think was Sparkling Jewel's view that the Constitution is being twisted these days to mainstream lower values than it originally meant...
  
  Maybe I took Sparkling Jewel's answer incorrectly, I dunno.
  
  I do know that the Constitution was written in a manner that anyone could understand it in its original form, including the things that were supposedly "left out", like....."rights" for perversion and baby-killing. ....anybody knows those things are wrong, so there was no need to put them into the document.
  NOW, especially since this Administration took over, there are atrocities being mainstreamed into our legal system that never should've even had a chance in hell of even being put before Congress to vote on or consider.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "perversion" - sex with minors, animals etc. is not protected by the constitution. You may have an inaccurate definition of this term which is the basis of your confusion.
  
  "baby killing" is also not protected. Your difficulty in understanding this, and the resultant angst can be traced to a similar source.
  
  Have you seen or heard about a new series on FX called "Justified". I believe it is set in your neck of the woods - Harland, KY. Is there such a town or is it fictional?
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can see you don't understand your rights or even that of human rights.
  
  The "porn" industry has just as much right to express or to create anything it feels like. Much like "Hollywood" and other movie producing companies.
  The simple fact that it keeps hundreds of thousands of people employed. These people who do the work get paid to do the work, and they can improve themselves and their way of life and their lifestyle, just like the President of the United States gets paid.
  
  Hope that helped.
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  Bigcountry12577posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, you want to say that the porn industry has the right to print pictures and publish them that most people find offensive except for teenagers and for those that have become addicted to this material from their youth.
  Now tell me something good that has come from the porn industry.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  MONEY
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Fake Boobies!!!!!!
  
  seriously though why is violence/murder considered to be less evil than sex?
  
  all sex is ... is two people touching each other in a way that feels really really good??? Where is the depravity in that?
  
  Killing people on the other hand is all over the T.V. in movies, cartoons, books and almost every interaction public and/or private and it is socially acceptable to watch...???? WTF?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yay !!! Biggest question of all
  
  ps- fake boobs are an atrocity - ain't nothing like the real thing, baby
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed.
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  mike, do you really need to hear the differences between love and sex? let alone the lack of morality in the media producers and the public that wants that stuff
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Puritanical point of view towards sex is why some still believe sex and even porn is evil...which in my opinion it is not. The evil people that take advantage of naive people may be evil, the act of sex is not. Images of love-making is not evil, it is merely an image of two people touching intimately. Sexual abuses are abuses and therefore evil acts. Sex itself is a gift from God.
  
  IMHO
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Let me ponder that while visiting some of my favorite sites...
  
  I'll get back to you.
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  how is porn speaking? what the hell? And I really what good does come of it? Well I guess if it makes someone feel better to watch it they are gettin g some good out of it , but personally, I dont see any good coming from watching other humans screw , no more than watching two cows or donkeys or dogs or cats or rats or mice, I totally dont understand it do people who watch porn get good out of that too? If so then instead of watching others why dont they just visit a farm
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That would be easy, if you could tell me, what's porn?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Defining "Constitutional" is equally elusive. They set up a whole branch of government to do just that.
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  KeithTaxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It ends.
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Chaotic Chicaposted 14 years ago
All I can say is you really wanted to open a can of worms of controversy posting this one! LOL It will be interesting to see just how many heated debates come of this!
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Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years ago
@ Madame X... They will get better as time goes on, eventually they will be indistinguishable from the originals...
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  try saying that after you get your fake penis, Mike
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I plan on it, as soon, and if, I get the money...
  
  I want my penis to get hard anytime I want it to, I want it to stay erect for as long as I want it to...even without being sexually aroused. So I can 'fake-it' like women sometimes do...
  
  (That way I can have sex with women even if they aren't sexually attractive to me and I won't hurt their feelings.)
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, it's taken.
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Get ya some Viagra
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
OK, I'm back. I just experienced something good from a porn site and am glad it is protected by the constitution.
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  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Ron - what site????
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Try this one.
  
  http://www.naked-people.de/
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/techn … amp;st=cse
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where does the constitution sas porn is protected? Is is specific?
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Constitution doesn't require to say anything specific about it.
  
  America is an Open Free Market Society, and allows all products, goods or services, which it deems as legal, to be bought or sold, within the borders of the U.S.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe it's article 69.
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  starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Specifically, The first amendment guarantee of free speech, and amendment 9 which says
  
  "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not to be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
  
  In other words, just because something isn't listed as a right, that doesn't mean that right doesn't exist. It's just not possible to list them all!
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myownworldposted 14 years ago
....Reminds of Bertrand Russell's words: "Nine-tenths of the appeal of pornography is due to the indecent feelings concerning sex which moralists inculcate in the young; the other tenth is physiological, and will occur one way or another whatever the state of the law may be! "
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well, when everyone has had the responsibility in raising children and having to decide how to bring them up and reaping the pros and cons in that situation, and seeing what happens to your children, then you'll have a more potent say in what is ethical and moral for the masses...maybe the saying should be "interpretation and ignorance are 9/10th of the laws" on the books and how they are carried out in daily life.
  
  on a spiritual path, one of the things you can learn is how to love regardless of what someone is doing, but that doesn't have to change your opinion on how you vote on what's better for civilization as a whole and for the long run...we can only do the best we can do and hopefully recognize when its time to change
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see how that quote had anything to do with your remark esp. '...you'll have a more potent say in what is ethical and moral for the masses'....but you're entitled to your views. I'm a parent btw.
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  Bigcountry12577posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  how would you feel if one of your children were exposed to porn in some fashion. Or better yet how would you feel if you personally caught one of your kids looking at it.
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creepyposted 14 years ago
something good about porn

its helped ugly people get laid

nevermind that was beer
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what
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SandyMcCollumposted 14 years ago
I don't like to suppress anybody's rights of free speech or anything else. However, I dislike porn on a personal level, I think it's raw, animalistic sex and not making love with intimate touching. I don't believe anything good can come from it except money, which some people value above all.
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MikeNVposted 14 years ago
This issue has been hammered so many times over and over.

Until one can make a definitive DEFINITION of what constitutes Pornography it can not be banned.

And even the courts have not been able to do this so far.

Everyone does not share the same moral viewpoint. But when we let a select group of people decide what is right or wrong for us we lose our Freedom of Choice.

Bible Banger's like to get behind the Moral Issue of Porn... but a counter argument would be that God gave people the Freedom to Choose.

So the issue is really a non issue. Live your own life and let people live their own lives.
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karlscabinposted 14 years ago
If someone wants to spend 10 bucks (?) on picture of naked women, let him. The mags should not be displayed where kids can get at them.

THE BAD:
Do those that fight porn in court do anything but cost US Dollars to be spent at a time the country can't afford it? They have accomplished nothing, ever, but they have spent millions.

THE GOOD:
The porn industry provides jobs for writers, photographers, printing people, support people, ect.

I dont buy porn, but there isn't much clothing in the SPORTS ILLISTRATED issue this month... Are they exempt for being a "sport mag"?
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jacobkuttytaposted 14 years ago
Pornography is nothing short of dehumanizing women and children.

The consequences of pornography are that it:

Dehumanizes women
Victimizes children
Destroys Marriages
Encourage sexual violence
Makes fun of ethical and moral values
Destroys individuals, families, and communites

A woman is raped in the United States every 46 seconds. (National Victim Center/Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, 1992). Eight six percent of rapists admit to regular use of pornography, with 57 percent admitting imitation of pornography scenes when committing sex crimes (Dr. Villiam Marshall, 1988)
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And that happens why? Because a person lacks self-control. It's not the product or goods or services. It's those who cannot control themselves, for which, is the underlying problem to what you have presented here.
  
  Not to mention, yes it is obvious that there are some hideous people out there and force women and children into doing things they don't want to do or rather not do. These hideous human beings are trash.
  
  Human trafficking of women and children is a disgusting side of people, but does at one point need to be addressed. Not in this thread. But, then again, it is human rights and their rights to life and right of choice should be their own too.
  
  However, the porn industry, which distributes legal goods or services, in the U.S. has a strict guideline to follow and yes, there are some hideous enough among Americans, that force women and children into doing things. And again, it's not the porn industry's fault.
  
  Self-control of one's desires is a requirement in life.
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  Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  100% of rapists admit to drinking water, bathing naked, and imbibing oxygen when they breathe.
  
  100% of men who watch porn and do not commit rape are not rapists.
  
  100% of statistics used in non-sequitur and red herring arguments are fallacious.
  
  Given your strong feelings on this, I see why you would like to make a connection between your statistics and your conclusion. However, the relationship is not causal.
  
  I'm not even going to argue with your opinion. Just pointing out your support for it does not actually support it.
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samer2796posted 14 years ago
hi
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Pandoras Boxposted 14 years ago
LOL, he's from Texas.
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Doug Hughesposted 14 years ago
It's realy pretty easy. There are only 2 rules.

1) Keep the kids out of it.

2) Let the grown-ups do what they want - see what they want.

For those of you who find porn objectionable -
DON'T WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You nailed it... exactly!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. Too many people telling other people what to do, what to watch and how to live.
  
  @myownworld - How are you today?
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  good, thanks Cags....hope you're doing well too. Though it's hard to i know reading this thread! (but then instead of arguing, we all have the choice to walk away....)
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blondepoetposted 14 years ago
I will come back when I think of something.
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Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago
Don't worry, everything's okay!

Wars are dragging on in Iraq and Afghanistan with no end in sight; taxes are way too high and so is the national debt; public schools are deplorable; Medicare is going broke; 40 million have no health care insurance; 12 million undocumented immigrants live in fear of being deported; we've lost the "war on drugs;" roads are full of potholes; bridges are unsafe; China is leading the U.S. in high speed rail transportation and solar and wind power equipment production; employment discrimination is still common; the law is unfair to gays and lesbians; we have given our textile, clothing and heavy manufacturing industries to China as a result of our blind dedication to so called free trade; our military budget keeps going up as if the cold war were still on (now replaced by the "war on terrorism, Islamo-facism"); Wall Street banks, health insurers, pharmaceutical, coal, oil and electric power companies dominate both political parties and the Congress; we are feeding terrorism by allowing our country to be perceived as siding with Israel in its atrocities against the Palestinians; the Supreme Court is controlled by right wing legal activists; the Constitution puts Senators who represent more cows and prairie dogs than people in control of the Senate, producing gridlock which was surely not contemplated when the document was adopted; and the Tea Party is spreading discontent and ignorance throughout the land. Aside from those little problems the country is doing just fine.
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I wasn't a fan already, I'd have fanned you again Ralph!
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. That riff was published as a letter to the editor in my local newspaper (Detroit Free Press).
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