Certain individuals have declined the spelling of XMAS as it used to be abbreviated, is this considered against Christianity and why is it not done anymore on an accepted basis?
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Never claimed to "know the origin", didn't know you had to just to discuss it.
Thanks Duffsmom, that's very interesting, I had no idea that's where it came from
I'm sorry Michelle, my comment wasn't directed at you, I didn't actually read your comment until I posted my answer. Sorry if I offended you-never my intent here.
'cos...Xmas is a cross turned sideways...cross...Jesus...what's everyone one about? Though I must admit, I usually use the full word.
Christmas is an uniquely English word. In Spanish it is Navidad (nativity). The French have Noel (day of birth or birthday). To put it at December 25 is is the birthday for more than 70 gods: Mithras, Dionysus, etc. All were Christs (anointed).
Gross ignorance? Because Mensa members don't know one factoid that you know, that they don't, they're grossly ignorant? ,
Education was far better before the 20th century (google 7000 drop out of school every day) as the USA is becoming less learned. If education required learning languages and history, there would less confusion. Religion stopped the conduct of inquiry
You don't have to be in Mensa to know that the X in Xmas stands for the Greek letter chi or the shape of a cross. It's common knowledge.
I'll go along with this. Forms of the cross are used in many pagan religions though possibly not in celebration of Saturnalia. The cross as a religious symbol predates Christianity.
Jesus was not born Dec 25--as "shepherds were in the field" and at that time it rains. Moving the nativity was to remove the more popular festival of Saturnalia, Bacchus and the god Mithras and was pushed by the Greek court.
One of the reasons to use Xmas would be to sock it to the political correctness bullies even though that really isn't in the spirit of Christmas.
Xnas was used in commercial advertising (visit "Xmas" on wikipedia, long before "Christmas" appeared--as ads were charged by characters used (cold type) and has a far more ancient origin. Even church bulletins until 1923 used Xmas.
Your average Joe does not know the meaning behind the X. Bottom line, we can shorthand and denigrate, or HONOR the day/date/meaning.
Correct, as fish is ICTHUS and each letter was interpreted to mean "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior": Iota+Chi+Theta+Upsilon+Sigma (IXOYE) to early followers of the Jesus message, but to Romans meant "fish". It designated safe homes not Dec. 25.
I like the idea of a safe home.
The X cross was the St. Andrew's cross; before Justin Martyr's use of "cross" the Greek texts said that Jesus was crucified on a pole. Among other popular crosses, including in Buddhism, is the swastika as it means resurrection.
I think you'll find the swashtika even older than that. It was part of the Indo-European movement.
The Christmas tree was sacred to the god Odin. Giving presents a part of the worship of the god Saturn. Lighting candles honored the god Apollo and Sol Invictus. Caroling was for the goddess Minerva. Cattle lowed for god Apis. Virgin birth was Isis.
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Yes. Good one. The sign of the fish...
Not everyone knows or BELIEVES that Chi refers to Christ (CHI=CHR??)
Potluck is not a medieval word. It first appears in 1585, finds coinage in 1592, and is accepted throughout English speaking countries by 1595. It has nothing to do with Christmas. Thomas Nashe (1567 – c. 1601) an English playwrite known for satir.
Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches still use Xmas except in the USA, UK and a few other nations. Xmas has greater authority from 423 CE to today than does Christmas that referred to a festival of drinking. X and a fish were wellknown symbols.
it's good not to be fanatical about anything, just think of all the energy you save!
What does it matter? It is the celebration of the birth of Christ; sure, we exchange gifts and celebrate the season, but taking Christ out of the season denigrates if and waters it down. And I'm a Sunday morning Christian!
Christmas was an ancient Egyptian festival of magi(cians) that was adopted as a holiday for the Sun God (Sol Invictus) of the Roman Empire. Only after Constantine I created his "catholic [universal] church did it become popular: associated with Jesus
Xmas is a lot older than you might think and it historically doesn't take Christ out of the picture though it appears that many present day people think that it does.
Back in the 50's businesses were accused of taking the Christ out of Christmas to save advertizing dollars and window space. Room for more word space for last minut sales. Christians complained and the word Christmas came back.
In Latin Christ means "healer" and was a term for surgeons and pharmacists. It never was a name for the Jesus of the New Testament until after 325 CE (Eusebius, Vita Constantini, 36ff).
That's what I remember now~ People said it was taking the "christ" out of Christmas. Thanks!
Michelle you DO have a point. I know what is meant by our XMAS eve services are at 9 and 11PM, but Christ is removed from the name. We've removed so much in the name of PC, we are becoming without an identity or a spine. I like the word CHRISTMAS!
Actually only a few have said that "X" (chi in Greek) said that its use takes the "Christ" out of Christmas, but they were led by evangelist Franklin Graham and CNN journalist Roland S. Martin. It was in common usage before 1437.
It may have been common usage then, but what happened to the 600 years since then? Do we live in the past? I don't.
teamrn: Christmas in the lsat 600 years has become increasingly commercial as the word has various meanings, whereas Xmas does not. There is nothing PC about Christmas--as it was a pagan holiday used to get drunk and receive presents.
Christ means the Messiah the savior. It seems that celebrating Xmas takes away from and demeans the celebration of ones Savior. Would we be so willing to change in any way the name of a Muslim celebration? I don't think so.
Writer, way back when, when I was a babe in the Hub-woods, you extended your hand. How have you been and thanks for bringing to light a different, AND VERY IMPORTANT, meaning. We must keep the Christ in Christmas, else we denigrate a special meaning
Christ in Hebrew means anointed (translation of Hebrew māshīaḥ) --as with David. It had nothing to do with savior but with a warrior. Christmas is old Egyptian for magical festivals and drinking wine made from water that later became blood..
Not true: O'Conner, Patricia T.; Kellerman, Stewart (2009). Origins of the Specious: Myths and Misconceptions of the English Language. New York: Random House. p. 77. Xmas is far older than Christmas.
A little known factoid; why don't you make it well-known and WHY? Then we can all agree to use X-mas. Until then, I'm sticking with 'Christmas'
The kindest thing I can say about that is that it is entirely ahistorical.
To each his own and have a good Xmas or Christmas should be the golden rule. I am happy with either Xmas and also Christmas. Both nowadays have historical meaning.
Saying Merry Christmas is fine. Read some of the above entries and you will find that historically Xmas is very old and does not take Christ at all out of the equation.
Read some of the above entries. Christ is not left out in Xmas. I take it if Christ is not left out in Xmas you don't have a problem with it.
Merry Christmas to you too!
Since Anglo-Saxon England, Xmas was used--and remained in vogue until 1911. Christmas is relatively recent (if we do not go back to medieval English and then it refers to a religious service, not a birth). It would make far more sense to use Xmas.
In this day and age pleasing one's self as to whether you go for Xmas or Christmas is the best ticket. A lot of young people like Xmas because it is shorter.