Russia testing our defenses.

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   JSChamsposted 12 years ago

   Here's the story:
   
   http://freebeacon.com/putins-july-4th-message/
   
   
   If you are old enough to remember having to crawl under a desk for civil defense drills, you are also old enough to know a strong defense is imperative. Do we have it?

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Actually it's both sides, whenever Russia develops a new weapon the Americans bring out a counter weapon and vice-versa like the MOAB and FOAB the fact is that in the event of world war three Russia and the US will not be on the same side because their economic interests clash, of course the Russian, Chinese and North Korean militaries would wipe the floor with the American one if it came to that so let's  hope it doesen't

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         PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Oh my, Josak, what have you said?!
         
         

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         paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, maybe the Russians will take of that pesky Iran/Middle East situation for us. After all, according to Iran/Islam, Russians are infidels and must be killed or convert to Islam. I don't think the Russians would be too thrilled with either prospect...

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            Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I think the Russians believe in not interfering, a policy I wish the Us would stick to a bit more.
            
            You do know the bible says the same thing right?

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               paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               We will see how Russia feels when Iran hands them an ultimatum and then drops a missile down their throat.

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                  KK Trainorposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Something else that would never happen; the Russians support Iran in the UN every chance they get and are considered allies. They have no reason to do that.

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            KK Trainorposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I'm wondering if you know that Kazakhstan was one of those countries that used to part of the Soviet Union. If so you would know that Russia will not be looking to them for any ideas on how to do things. The Kazakhs have only been independent from the USSR since 1991. Russia was the controlling coutry in the USSR so they won't need advice from any of their former dominions.
            
            Also, you do know that Russia (Soviets) was defeated in Afghanistan long before we ever went in? They will not be getting involved in that region again because it was a great embarassment to them.

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               paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I'm being an optimist.
               
               Also, my logic is contingent on Iran (or whoever) being stupid enough to pick a fight with them. Based on the intelligence levels I've seen so far, I consider it a distinct possibility.

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                  JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No I think if you look at the number of times Russia has backed Iran on the idea of eliminating Israel, one can safely assume that Russia is looking into the possibility of trying to intimidate us sufficiently to keep us from coming to Israel's aid.
                  Guess he hasn't been paying attention to the negative signals our President has been sending to Netanyahu concerning friendship.

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         recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You realise that the US spends more on its military than any other three countries combined ?  You realise that the US military is bigger in numbers and weapons than any other three countries combined ?  You realise that the US is the only country that routinely attacks other countries ?

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            paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Only when they fly 2 airliners into our buildings...
            
            Actually, you have a point. The U.S. has gone pre-emptive ever since the Hitler experience.

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               paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               We tried isolationism before that. Didn't work...

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               recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Interesting use of 'they', as in 'they' flew two airliners into the towers, so the US attacked Iraq which was nothing to do with it.   
               
               To elaborate on 'they' 'they' as in various US departments funded terrorists all through South America and Afghanistan (among many other places) who killed and maimed hunderds of times more people than were killed in the towers. 
               
               I guess they count for less than your 'they' ?

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            Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The Us military is the second largest in the wold and the most expensive, the Chinese is the largest and the second most expensive, the North Korean is the third largest, the Russian is the fourth largest.

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         Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         +++

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      gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I remember those old days oh so well.   Yes, we need a defense system.  Putin is a crafty and insidious person who is not to be trusted at all.   That man is going to take Russia back to Communism and another Cold War.   When will it ever end!!!!

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         JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         See Vladimir Putin is former KGB. He hasn't stopped that thought pattern in his mind or in his life.
         If he believes that we are weak enough.........
         And who doesn't?

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            Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            It's important to note that Putin is anti-communist, the communist party is he second most powerfull party in Russia.

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               JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               He also likes to have his enemies killed with Polonium.
               
               Yassir?

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   What nonsense. The US is surrounding Russia with military bases.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   I had no idea that Russia routinely does this nonsense. One would think that even the stupidest Russian by now would have figured out that we have no interest in attacking them.

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      JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's never been a matter of attacking them..ever. You mainly just try to keep in a position that they don't believe they can nuke you out without retaliation. That's what Reagan did to them. He drove them to bankruptcy trying to keep up with the escalation.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   And that's another thing. Why does Russia apparently have this constant desire to bomb us? We don't want to bomb them, so why do they want to bomb us? Why do they hate us so much?

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And it's not just their government, but their citizenry as well.

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   KK Trainorposted 12 years ago

   Paradigm, you must be quite young if you don't know why they hate us. Ever heard of the Cold War; that was a time when it was us against them and we won in the end. Their control collapsed, followed by their government and the entire Soviet Union. Ring a bell? They blame us and always will, and there are probably a lot of Russians who would like things to be the way they were when the USSR had power and strength. Putin is basically trying to return to those days, being ex-KGB himself and refusing to concede power. Think we can trust them? That's like trusting China. We must be strong in the region because all of those former Soviet nations who are struggling to become stable are counting on us to protect them.

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Japan got over it. Germany got over it. Italy got over it. The US got over it. Why can't Russia get over it?

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         KK Trainorposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … -days.html
         
         Just for reference I found this, it's all out there...

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            paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Good link!
            
            Is Putin going the Hitler route or the capitalism route? Time will tell... I recollect that Kazakhstan is big on capitalism; that could sway Russia towards the same. There might actually be hope here.
            
            I'd like to see Russia, and even a Eurasian Union, get economically stronger. A prosperous country/union is hopefully a less-inclined-to-war country/union.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   If our species can't get over this world domination fetish, then WW III is inevitable...

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   Dame Scribeposted 12 years ago

   I think some gov't leaders should get committed if decisions are based on just their ego's, paranoia, fear or at least assessed by a dr

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   cameciobposted 12 years ago

   It is the fight for supremacy, power, and who's the boss and I control that and you don't. As it always has been.
   The hate comes from propaganda that indoctrinate the simple citizens.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   I'm outnumbered here. Paradigmsearch circles the wagons...

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    And while I'm at it, here's a note to China:
    
    Why don't you guys invade North Korea and decimate that psychotic regime. Then give it as a gift to South Korea. The once-again united Korea would be your friend and ally forever. Not to mention the fact that you would be a true international hero.

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       Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       A few reasons #1 North Korea is an ally, #2 North Korea has nukes #3 North Korea has the third largest military in the world #4 Their people re fanatical as all hell and will never surrender #5 In all likelihood it would turn into a bloody guerrilla conflict of the type no military wants to be embroiled in #6 The Chinese in recent years have also kept to themselves militarily.

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          KK Trainorposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, anyone ever heard about that conflict between Japan and China a while back? Same deal here I would guess, very nasty and lots of death. I wonder sometimes if anyone knows anything about history anymore...it wasn't that long ago!

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    If I had known it was this easy to solve all the world's problems, I'd have done it a lot sooner.

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    This political thread sure beats the religion threads.
    
    A. No fanaticism.
    
    B. Fun and interesting.
    
    C. Has actually been educational.
    
    D. People are actually willing to change their minds about something when given information that is new to them.
    
    E. Nobody has been abusive towards anybody else.
    
    

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       JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       It can happen.

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    I just saw a news blurb about Russia selling arms to Syria.
    
    Paradigmsearch gives up on Russia and throws in the towel.
    
    Oh, well. The fantasy was fun while it lasted.

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