No more guns for the US citizens. Is it likely?

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   aka-djposted 11 years ago

   Here's a video telling us all about disarmament of US citizens in the near future.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfkQkch … re=related

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      Ann1Az2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It has happened in dictatorships throughout history. However, before that happens in Texas, we might be talking succession again. There are too many rednecks in Texas that like their guns! I'm a Texan, so I'll be right along with them.

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         Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Bye! Apparently you already forgot what happened the last time a group of Bible thumping states succceeded.

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            Ann1Az2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The last time I had a history class and we studied the Civil War, it was the southern states that seceded. It was an issue of slavery and the southern way of life vs. the northern way of life. Didn't have anything to do with Bible thumpers.

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               Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               To this day it depends on who yo ask. A southerner would typically refer to it as the war between the states saying it was a dispute over state's rights (for the continuation to legally own slaves for the southern agricultural states). It was viewed as a second revolutionary war. Times were different where a person was loyal to their respective state, not a nation as a whole. The North saw the secession as a rebellion and resorted to force to unite the nation. Since then it is unconstitutional for a state to secede from the union. So as it stands, if the Federal Government issues a law and a state refuses to implement it, the feds will come down and do it for them. They've done it before. The most famous was integrating black with whites students in the early 60's. Most of those former Confederate states are known as the Bible belt.

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                  Ann1Az2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I was raised in the north and when I took history in school, we got the Civil War from the viewpoint of the northern states. When I moved to Texas and took history in college, I got the viewpoint from the south. It did give me a well rounded perspective from both sides.
                  
                  As far as the Confederate states being in the Bible belt, that still has nothing to do with the Civil War.
                  
                  I am aware that Federal law supersedes state law. I learned that in school, too. I'm also aware that our corrupt government can pass just about any kind of law it wants to and the public can either like it or not. Obama is using his executive order privileges left and right.

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   WryLiltposted 11 years ago

   It worked in Australia.

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      aka-djposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Australians weren't as fanatical about their rights to bear arms.
      
      We are already "easy pickings", for any government domination, or NWO takeover.
      Heck, I recon our politicians would hand over their mothers, if the Globalists demanded it from them.
      So, where does that leave the general population?

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      JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You really can't compare countries like that and expect the same results... that would only be true if the environment in each country was the same.
      
      Here, it's not. In the US, there is a very large black market, which revolves mostly around illegal drugs. If guns were banned in the US, then guns would become even more of a black market commodity, and bad people would still have access to them. Citizens just wouldn't be able to defend themselves.

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         Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Australia has a black market and a drug trade too and really it's not that hard to get a handgun illegally, what worked in Australia was they made the punishments for carrying a handgun so harsh that very few people risk it also the guns become very expensive.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, because our prisons aren't full enough already.
            
            I don't pretend to know the details, but I do know that cultures vary wildly. What works in one situation won't necessarily work in another.
            
            We have harsh punishments for laws, but people risk it.

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            WryLiltposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Google the "Port Arthur Massacre". And then add "Conspiracy" after it.

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               Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I am familiar with the massacre and the conspiracies surrounding it, I have spent a lot of time in Tasmania on business and visited the site I am not really sure what your point is though?

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            Jane Bovaryposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Hugely different attitude to guns though. Prior to the gun tightening,the vast majority of Australians had had nothing to do with guns anyway,so it made no difference to their lives.
            
            In the US personal ownership of guns seems to be etched into the national psyche. It's part of how they see themselves (or so it seems). Australia never had that.

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      edwardwhiteeagleposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      gun control did not work in Australia.  The crime rate has gone out of sight.  When you disarm the citizens you make it so that they are unable to defend themselves against a criminal or against a criminal government.  If our founding fathers had been disarmed we would not have won the revolutionary war.  I for one will never give up my guns.......

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         Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Actually not true the crime rate has dropped and the firearm homicide rate has dropped slightly. Additionally accidental firearms deaths fell 90+%.

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   Will Apseposted 11 years ago

   You need some kind of outlet for your angst. Shooting people is so cathartic.

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      Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Cm Will. Weapons do not kill people. An Australian did not have Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Castro. In Europe if those two would not confiscate weapons the history would be different.
      Are you going confiscate also cars? Cars kill much more people then guns.

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         Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Cars vs. guns. You're comparing apples and oranges. Lot more cars on the road than discharging of guns. History wouldn’t of changed because there were plenty of guns and underground groups to go around in Europe and Asia at the time of Hitler and the rest.

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            Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That is correct, the communist militias in Germany particularly were armed and very strong they failed to stop the Nazis because Hitler used the full force of the German army against them with no regard for human life and those are grossly unfair odds not because they didn't have guns, previous to Hitler taking power clashes between Nazi's and communists were common and I believe hundreds if not thousands were killed in street battles between the two.

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               Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               They should resist long time before was not too late (in Germany). In Slovakia we overturn Germans and I was there.

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                  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Hitler was appointed chancellor and within days had control of the armed forces, he simply collected all the rolls of communist party members and had each and every one arrested and killed or put in concentration camps. This is the same army that would not long after capture Paris in days I wouldn't call it a fair fight.
                  
                  The Slovak national uprising faced a very different amount of force and was also unsuccessful if I remember my history correctly almost 15 000 Slovaks were killed and the puppet regime was never changed.

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            aguasilverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The first thing any dictatorship does is ban the private ownership of guns, if you support that, then God help your country, for you already have the makings of a dictatorship, and the 2nd Amendment may be the ONLY thing holding it back.
            
            When you ban guns, only the criminals are armed.

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               Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Do you always speak in repeated sound bites?

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                  aguasilverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Only when folk refuse to answer them the first few times.

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                  edwardwhiteeagleposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  if the repeated sound bite is true, then repetition is the best teacher.  Have you not learned the truth yet?

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                     Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I actually agree with free gun ownership and don't support gun legislation (other than in terms of training and mental health checks) but spouting pointless rhetoric that has a dozen different answers is utterly pointless and really annoying. Not a single person has ever been convinced by one of these taglines and everyone has heard them so parroting them is pointless, it also demonstrates a lack of ability to express a point.

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               Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Guns are banned in New York City and it's considered the most populated and safest cities in the US (as of 2009).

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                  aguasilverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  My son (who lives in Brooklyn and works in Harlam) might see it differently, 65 shooting in one month recentl.

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      JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, when a cop shoots someone who is trying to kill an innocent person... that's just a way to get out their 'angst'.
      
      When a lone woman shoots someone who attacks her with a knife in a parking lot, that's just a way to get out her 'angst'.
      
      We should really just let criminals do what they want.

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   tamronposted 11 years ago

   Everybody says invest in Gold I say invest in guns.  Not only invest in guns but become as knowledgeable about guns as possible including gun making.  Gold is just as unpredictable as the stock market.

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   To understand one's behavior, you have to project yourself in the future and find a logical answer.Many economists are predicting the collapse of the American economy, of the currency..., following that conjecture what will be the people's reaction, anger translated in riots, apparition of private militias. To prevent such an occurence to disarm the U.S. citizens is an obligation. This move doesn't have any political colors, it obeys to logic.

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      Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Only crazy kill others. Give them Bible for $5, people become normal.

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         Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         AHAHA no, did you know that the crime rate is much lower amongst Atheists? In a 2010 survey of people entering prison only 0.8% were atheist a tiny percentage of the statistical expectation, the vast majority were Christians.

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            Ann1Az2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Josak, a true Christian would not be in prison for harming someone in the first place. A true Christian follows the Ten Commandments, so would not be in prison. Some Christians in other countries are imprisoned for not retracting their faith. Many so-called Christians in prison become true Christians while in Prison.
            
            I think you may have Christians mixed up with religious fanatics or self-professed Christians.

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               Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Let me be clear... Christians are still Christians if they do bad things, they are just bad Christians just like Humanist Atheists remain humanist atheists just bad ones. The study was in the US so the comment about imprisonment for being Christian is irrelevant.
               
               I am not trying to argue that Christians are bad people or anything of the sort merely rebutting the suggestion that reading the bible or going to church etc. will make people more moral, it factually does not.

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                  Ann1Az2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I wasn't implying that Christians are perfect - far from it. That's why Christ died for all of us (but's that's a different story). I didn't say a word about people reading the Bible, however, I do believe if more people did and actually believed what they read, there would be a lot less strife in this country.
                  
                  I also take issue with your statement that "Christians are still Christians if they do bad things, they are just bad Christians." Yes, they are Christians even if they do bad things but if they repent and accept Christ, they are not bad Christians.
                  
                  I think the difference in our opinions depends a lot on yours and mine's definition of a Christian.

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                     Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     maybe it's more on our definition of bad... in my eyes if someone kills a child or commits some other heinous act and then repents and and accepts Christ they are still a bad person.

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                        Ann1Az2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Ah! perhaps you're right in the difference of our opinion. Because Christ forgives all who come to Him.

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                        edwardwhiteeagleposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I have to agree Josak,  If someone kills a child for example and accepts christ, they are still a bad person.  As a non christian I had a near death experience and felt only love on the other side, no judgement or condemnation. I have not accepted jesus and yet I felt completely loved and accepted of God.  Most of the world is non christian and I believe from that experience that god holds only love for all of us, but if we do bad things we are still bad

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         Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         "Only crazy kill others. Give them Bible for $5, people become normal."  Why would give anyone a Bible make people become normal? It's the Bible that fuels these fanatical Christian assh***s!

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            Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Paul, "crazy" is not in reality my best term. The psychiatrists love the word. But I will tell you my info which came from my friend. In Slovakia there is prison in city of Leopoldov with big heavy criminals. My friend from Bratislava, he is electronic Engineer. He became Christian (not formal). He is Bible student and revised the Bible (polished old Slovak language). He goes to Leopoldov teaching and sharing for years weekly on his own expenses. Prisons criminals in hundreds came to Jesus. They study Bibles personally and in groups. Now he called me and said there is revival in this prison. Prisoner’s life is completely changing. It made me very happy. But now on temporary basis the officials forbid him to go to prison. You can figure why. They imitate America in bad way but we are imitating Europe in socialism. Does it make any sense?  $40 years when I came to his country it was different country.  There were prayers in the schools, Bibles in libraries until Mrs. O'Hare came and sued government to stop religious activity in the school and public places. They took Ten Commandment out. What do you expect, Paul?

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   Mighty Momposted 11 years ago

   Bad people or sick people?
   
   The United States makes up 5 percent of the world’s population.
   The United States consumes 66 percent of the world’s illegal drugs.
   The United States incarcerates 25 percent of the world’s prisoners.
   
   Of  2.3 million inmates in American prisons, 1.5 million—or 65 percent—meet the standard medical criteria for drug and alcohol addiction and abuse.
   
   Another 20 percent of inmates, who do not meet those criteria, nevertheless were either under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time of their offense, stole money to buy drugs, abused drugs, violated the alcohol or drug laws or share some combination of these characteristics.

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   Shadesbreathposted 11 years ago

   What you guys are all ignoring is that they think the UN forces are going to take our guns away. LOL. He says, "the blue hats."
   
   I'd stack a pack of backwoods rednecks or a few carloads of harcore inner-city gangbangers against twice their number of "blue hats." Imagine our rednecks and our bangers working together to fight off tyranny? It's almost such a beautiful thing I am tempted to delete this entry and just go write the book. (Although I would ask that the gangsters hold their guns correctly and actually aim.)

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Very interesting premise.
      So,  guns could actually serve as a UNIFYING force between disparate groups?
      Imagine the possibilities. Opposites coming together to fight for a singular purpose, albeit for very different reasons.
      Wow.
      "Guns, guns will bring us to-ge-ether." (with apologies to Captain & Tenille).

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         Shadesbreathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         LOL, yep. Exactly.
         
         Just goes to show, it ain't the guns that's the problem, it's the a-holes behind them.

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      Jane Bovaryposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That One World Government is comin' to git ya..!

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   There is no imminent disarming in America, so this is all moot anyway.

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   MyHubAdventuresposted 11 years ago

   After not taking time to read all of the comments in full, I agree that there is absolutely no way the U.S. people would be disarmed. The would be an over throw of government before then, or more likely, another civil war. I would personal be one of the first to seceded .

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      Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The gov't can ban firearms and there's nothing you could do about it. But realistically, I can see a ban on assault rifles and certain pistols and high capacity magazines. The gov't did this in the 1930's when they banned machine guns, silencers, and sawed off shotguns.

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         MyHubAdventuresposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The Feds. can and most likely will "ban" firearms. I just dont see any way our populace is going to succumb to any said ban and lay down one of our last "rights".

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    MyHubAdventuresposted 11 years ago

    A better question is should all Americans learn to speak Chinese now and increase their likely hood of survival when the take over comes. :-P

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       Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You must live in total stress, fear and paranoia. They do have medication for that.

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          MyHubAdventuresposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          It is in my opinion that the drugs that are used to deal with these "issues" of stress and fear are accentuating the issue and actually causing a lot more problems than they fix. Perhaps we should try to deal with the problem that you can't handle the stresses of your day job (a simple problem) instead of giving psycho actives or brain chemistry altering drugs to millions of people (a REALLY big problem).

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    Xenonlitposted 11 years ago

    What is this? Making up a fake crisis to justify fake fear and rage? It's not working and we are sick of crazy people shooting at helpless and innocent people, too.

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    MyHubAdventuresposted 11 years ago

    I see nothing in this video... which outlines a precold war document, that this is being implemented now or soon. Yes the world is Effed, yes our government is Effed but this video is nothing that is new...

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       Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know about you, but I'm not going to stress or lose any sleep over some video with little to no credibilty. More likely I'll completely forget about it within the hour.

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    ocbillposted 11 years ago

    You just don't need to own 4 or 5 guns unless your future involves killing someone or some criminal activity. It is not like owning 6 cars. Especially having it accessible by college kids and below or anyone associated in hate groups.  Make the law it deters younger kids like that Colorado neuro scientist but other people will just get it on the black market. So, no it doesn't stop Texans

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       Shadesbreathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You don't know what your future holds. We only have history to suggest what might happen (and current events in other places). Given that, we know society will collapse into violence at some point, since it always does. When it all hits the proverbial fan and we find that we suddenly live in a new, post-apocalyptic world, you will certainly need 4 or 5 guns. Or more.
       
       1. High powered rifle with scope for hunting and possibly for sniper work to fend off evil douchebags from afar.
       
       2. Shotgun for hunting birds and close range self-defense.
       
       3. Assault rifle for defending your home or compound from aforementioned douchebag invasions.
       
       4. Handgun for day-to-day self defense or as a last resort in combat.
       
       5. (insert bigger guns as possible to make a real standing militia that has a chance—which we don't because we've gutted the 2nd amendment so thoroughly already we're not allowed to even have what the criminals are using, much less the government).
       
       6. Extra guns to arm your tree-hugging friends who, when suddenly woken from the fairy tale dream that everyone is always going to play nice and be peaceful and loving and support one another and never succumb to greed and power mongering in the way of every other culture throughout all of history, always, without exception ever in any case, period, will discover that they would like to have a way to keep their family fed and safe too, but yet, having blown off the advice of the geniuses who wrote the Bill of Rights, now find themselves completely unarmed and at the mercy of those who better understand the reality of human nature and political history. They will ask for your protection, and that you arm them. Welcome to neo-feudalism.

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          Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Yeeehaaaaa!
          
          

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             Shadesbreathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Wow. You must visit some weird sites to find stuff like that. I'm not judging you or anything. To each his own. I'm just not into that sort of thing.

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          Healthy Pursuitsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Shadesbreath, your statements about what guns will be needed remind me of zombie movies with snipers on rooftops.  But sooner or later someone runs out of bullets and gets bitten. The only variation is whether or  not it's on the neck.

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             aguasilverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Would that be a good reason to run out in the street and find a 'zombie' to kill us?
             
             Shades has spoken the truth, America is heading for dictatorial fascist/socialist control, or civil war.
             
             When the system breaks down, the weak get killed in vast numbers either piece mill or corporately, so survival relies upon being strong enough to make the enemy chose another victim.
             
             Yes you may end up being caught in the killing fields, but you may also just manage to survive to see normality restored, and would certainly be constructively assisting to defeat the bad guys more than the appeasers (now exterminated) would have been.

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             Shadesbreathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Hah, perhaps you're right. However, as much fun as zombie stories are, there is no historical precedent for them, so, I'm willing to be hopeful that we never actually have a world filled with undead.
             
             Sadly, on the other hand, history is absolutely full of societies forming (democracies, communists, monarchies, etc.) and, in time, being corrupted by the powerful and wealthy who can never get enough, and then, always, without exception anywhere in history, it gets ugly and breaks down. The founding fathers, in putting together the 2nd Amendment, understood this perfectly, and so set in place safeguards. I admit that in their time, more people read than do in our time, so this was not as controversial idea as history was widely understood (hence the nation they created). Sadly, now people get their news from YouTube, Comedy Central, Facebook and a zillion other channels, mainstream and otherwise, that have completely cast aside any desire for truth and problem solving in favor of ratings, clicks or popularity amongst the "choir" to whom they preach.

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    HowardBThinameposted 11 years ago

    I don't see the UN resolution as a threat. Obama has already said he wouldn't sign it if it contained language that controlled Americans and their guns.
    
    If - by the odd chance he did so, however, Congress would boot it out.
    
    It that failed - SCOTUS would boot it out.
    
    Before a popular revolution however....who can say?

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    brimancandyposted 11 years ago

    If there is a revolution over gun rights, it will only prove how much more selfish people have become over their personal property. I always say, hey you can keep all the guns you want, just good luck trying to fire them without the bullets. I say pass a law banning the bullets, but, that will NEVER happen, because there are too many hands in the guns and ammo cookie jar. You can walk into any Walmart and buy bullets, guns, whatever you need to shoot stuff, or whatever you need to blow stuff up. And all you need is an ID, where states are trying to lower the age limit to get younger people to be able to afford to buy it. Almost as if anyone with a pulse and a credit card has the right to shoot and kill.
    
    Guns are dangerous, reguardless of what anyone thinks. And more restrictions are needed. I say ban credit card sales of guns, and make the selfish bastards pay cash, raise the age limit, and allow the state to charge out the ass for the permits! We'll solve the deficit real quick.

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       Shadesbreathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       There's a well-thought-out response. Lookee there, problem solved, by gum.

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          Jewelsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Darn good idea.  Charge heaps for the privilege and get the debt down to 2 trillion instead of 3. (Or is it 4 now?)  Charge a yearly registration fee per gun, just like car registration. Plus don't forget the eye test to make sure you can see the target.
          New jobs for heaps of people right there.

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             Shadesbreathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Hah, exactly.
             
             Then again, I suppose it might be worth willing becoming a police state if we could create more jobs. Maybe.

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    Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years ago

    
    
    

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    Michael-Milecposted 11 years ago

    An overture toward potential gun controls has been already introduced under certain "regulations" and executive orders depriving of  freedom and liberties.
    USA is rapidly entering into socialistic - marxistic ideology, which needs to be prevented before more are " bought" to become indifferent .
    Once the private sector is robbed  of dignity to own and " build by yourself "  thus creating personal prosperity , the next step is massive government  support  unproductive elements which is always a solid base  for conflict within the country.
    " Occupation " is first sign of dictatorship..
    Wake up honest and sober minded people!

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       Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       

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       Jewelsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Michael, isn't the private sector already being robbed, overidden by rough shot insurance companies and bankers?  The private sector is owned by the 1%, by corporate America.  The Government is but a puppet.  If you want to change your world, forget the guns, start talking with your wallet and stop buying the stuff made by the 1% - coco cola, pepsi, McDonalds and all that shitty processed food.  And me thinks the war mongering industry included in that 1% has a huge vested interest in y'all buying heaps of guns and ammo.  It helps buy the CEOs more holidays and beach front homes.  They really don't care if you shoot each other's heads off as long as they get their profits.
       
       There's no way America will be a communist socialist country unless the Chinese take it over.  At the moment there really isn't any democracy.  Your elections are determined by who can be bought for what price.   You don't live in the land of the free - it's very bloody expensive.

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    Michael-Milecposted 11 years ago

    Jewels
    
    Wanderfully said.
    
    This forum as any others transmits a 100% correct opinions . Everybody is proven to be  right in a sense...
    That's how far goes what "we " have to say.
    
    In my humble opinion the USA has
    been  a " safe-harbor" fo me and my family ; running for life from a communistic country, on " special" visa granted...   soon realizing that "evil"  have many different faces; "good" has only one"
    
    As you've said :" we don't live in the land of free..."
         
    A genuine " free " is an inner state...

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