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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/26 … raud-group

Well I sure am glad we are going to make sure that the Conservatives don't influence voters. Hey why not hire the New Black Panthers? They can stand around with clubs and keep the Conservatives away!
That will do it!
This is BS!
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  With all the dirty tricks the right winger has been using this campaign, maybe the NBP is needed to keep the scale balanced. I would welcome the Poliboro, if it will ,keep the rightwing and their vote supressors at bay!
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What vote suppressors?
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The State of Pennsylvania, for one.
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ohio, Texas, South Carolina, need I continue...... All this at the behest of unethical GOP legislators.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh BS!
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi JSC. Hope you are doing well this evening.
  
  I read the article but I don’t understand the “last straw” comment. This is certainly not something new on the election landscape.
  
  “[The OSCE] has assessed elections in the United States since 2002.” Furthermore, your source article also states clearly, “The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) …will deploy 44 observers around the county on Election Day to monitor an array of activities, including potential disputes at polling places.” {1} Evenly dispersed, that is less than one observer for each state. The OSCE is a respected and recognized international organization fully qualified to observe free elections around the world. Aside from the Republican Party’s history of creating obstacles for legitimate voters, there is nothing in this article to cause anyone to be upset.
  
  In addition, the reference to the New Black Panthers with clubs does not appear in the article. I wonder why it was fabricated and put the form of an unanswered question. It is just another example of innuendo without substance.
  
  Thank you, JSC, for this thread.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The Last Straw, Quill, is the one-sided attack.
  It is plain to see and you and the rest here should know better and know damn good and well i will have something to say about it.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What is one-sided? I do not understand. The UN has no jurisdiction in the US election process. They are neutral observers! Did you read this article to the end? It is paranoia to think UN participation is intended to "get" conservatives.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  ALL and I do mean ALL the obstructionist crap is just that, C R A P!!!!!!!
  You know it and I know it and yes I am throwing a bloody fit.
  I hope Barack loses by such a landslide that no liberal DARE say anything about it.
  Because what that article tells me is we are in for 2000 all over again if it isn't.
  Right now the almighty polls that liberals live by have reversed from about three weeks ago and show Romney ahead and the Liberal Party is freaking out. so therefore we must have international watchers to make sure those EEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL Conservatives don't pull anything.
  You guys stink so bad I can smell it in Oklahoma.
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It aint over till its over, so I would not get too cocky just yet, if I were you. Regardless of the fact that you are tired of hearing the topic of voter suppression it is quite obvious to reasonably sentient people.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Credence you are so brain dead you don't have a clue how badly you have been screwed by your own.
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You complain about being personally insulted, but the rightwing types always seem to lead the pack for boorish unconversation like behavior. When Obama wins perhaps most will vacate the country or do us a favor and do the hari-kari routine! Believe me I know who the enemy is, without a doubt.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No...let me explain this...ok?
  This article and the action behind it trips my trigger because I have been on the liberal side and the conservative side and I KNOW BETTER than this.
  You can't single out one block of people and say we must watch them during the voting. I am sorry but that article slams millions of Americans all at the same time. I don't care where they are from internationally.
  This sort of activity is usually reserved for third world banana republics where the corruption is so widespread a vote is a joke. That's not the US and we all know that.
  But.....liberals in this country will jump right up and down and clap there hands won't they now?
  Go ahead and back that lie Credence but I know what is happening and so do you.
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, I so my own thinking thanks, from where does that arrogance come?So what are you afraid of JS, if we don't have a problem then there will not be a problem with the UN observers. The GOP has behaved in a corrupt way during this campaign. I, for one, and glad that they are here. Last straw, for you folks there is more coming so this may well not be the last straw.
  
  I don't trust you nor your political ideology or the the lackey political party that supports it. I have just as many good reasons not to trust rightwingers as you have against the enlightened progressive groups.
  Regardless of your rightwing pedigree, I did not fall from a turnip truck and am well aware as to what is at stake.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You don't understand anything.
  Do you think I am evil Credence?
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Not evil but wrong headed with a design for the future of the country that can be considered adverse at best. I don't understand it all but neither do you. And to pretend that you do........ well I won't go there.. I am going to vote for my best interests as are you and no rightwing has ever been seriously considered on my part.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Credence...I am a registered Democrat.
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You sure could have fooled me, so which right wing group slipped you a mickey?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "enlightened"?
  Who "enlightened" them Credence?
  I can tell you who.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You have no idea who the enemy is.
  You only know what you are told to believe about people.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It seems Texans are afraid to allow OSCE observers close enough to the polls to actually observe how they treat voters. Read all about it…
  
  Texas Tribune, Oct. 23, 2012 -
  ‘Project Vote Executive Director Michael Slater on Wednesday issued a statement addressing Attorney General Abbott’s warning to international elections observers.
  
  “America stands for democracy. It appears that Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott is ashamed of Texas’s voting rights record or he would welcome observers with open arms. Instead, he is threatening them and attacking groups that are working to ensure that every eligible Texan is allowed to vote.” ‘
  
  http://www.texastribune.org/texas-polit … arning-ag/
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  Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We are not afraid but the UN may want to pay attention Abbott means what he says! I actually hope they try him, I really do.
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Are you afraid the U.N. might find something worth writing about that would ruin your fantasy about free and fair elections in the United States?
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  DMartelonlineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Did you see the group "True the Vote" who has vowed to VERIFY people at polling places? They're also claiming AG Holder requested UN involvement which is a dead up lie: http://www.politifact.com/texas/stateme … -request-/
  
  I am baffled by people who read ONE article without doing any of their own research. Both parties have been participating in finger pointing about voter suppression efforts. I'll be so glad when this election is OVER I'm sick of it.
  
  No, I'm not a Democrat.
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago
I would think anyone genuinely interested in a fair, fraud-free election would welcome this.
As it assures that neither side influences voters.

But really, it's all a waste of effort. Maybe it gives some people some false sense of secuity.

I mean, when you own the voting machine company, the outcome's pretty well assured, isn't it?
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree with you if they were looking for any voter suppression, but the article states that they're only looking for "conservative activities" that suppress the vote. And why can't this be done by Americans - members of both sides at every step?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  THAT is why I am throwing a fit and that is all I keep hearing here is Conservative suppression this and disenfranchise that!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  IT"S BS PEOPLE!!!!!!!
  
  We have Jimmy Carter for voter regulation....that ain't good enough?
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm glad someone else is aware of the voting machine controversy MM!
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Dame Scribeposted 11 years ago
In our FN elections, we have a outside party come in to handle and count the ballots. We're just tiny though so no 'rigging' can really occur but maybe, a outside objective party could be used. Just a thought.
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
Ok....let me explain this.
I can't help but notice that the imagined problem is..ready for it?
C O N S E R V A T I V E S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Why don't we just insure Barack gets re elected then we can repeal the amendment that tem limits him and lobby for just one party and those nasty old hateful evil bloodsucking conservatives won't be an issue anymore because then you can INSURE they have no voice whatsoever in the American political landscape.

And most of you agree with that even though you are about to deny it.
Nothing mentioned about anything but Conservatives.
Must be nice that your fecal matter leaves no odor.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, So what about when Bush BOUGHT Florida, remember...went blue, then red, then blue, then red and stayed red.....Maybe we are just getting better at our prep work, ya think?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Bush didn't buy Florida. You had two candidates that sucked and the sad fact is neither of them was good enough to pull far enough ahead for it to be decisive. That is EXACTLY what happened.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I do not believe that for a second, and I bet you don't either.....who has more money JS....who spends the most on their campaign....I live in TN, it ALWAYS votes red....wonder why Romney would spend so much here on his commercialization of BS....maybe because we share our local news channels with VA
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am from East Tennessee Tammy.
  You don't believe the election will be fair Tammy.
  Then why have one?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh i most certainly do believe what I posted. If George Bush or Al Gore either one had been worth a crap there would never have been an argument. There have been lots of elections won by landslide.....Barack Obama anyone...and no one had to pay anyone for anything. Don't fall for the BS.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, I do not fall for BS, I research A lot....I am not saying Obama is perfect, he isn't Jesus....and Jesus is the only one who could have pulled our tails out of that ditch so quickly...as MM said he didn't have four years, he had two before the Congress chose to destroy America just to ruin him...
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Tammy,
  The man had a lock on Congress no one had had in HOW long?
  This more of the BS that they got together to try and destroy him. You can't get the Republicans together on anything and Harry Reid has barred the door to any Conservative legislation at all and so who is doing what?
  
  Do you expect the other party will just sit down and fold their hands and do nothing at all?
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, He didn't take advantage of the first two years is your arguement? He shouldn't have "taken advantage," that's wrong...it's the R way not the D way....They stood in front of God and everyone and declared they would not back him....How did that look to the world?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If having both houses of Congress under your parties control is not what you want why work so hard fr it and crow to the high heavens about what wonderful things you are going to do with it then do NOTHING and blame the opposing party?
  The BS game I was just telling you about on the other forum.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, I believe he was idealistic, he thought bipartisanship would be the name of the game, he is our first black president, history was made....he was wrong
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Tammy.........their constituents didn't want them to back him. That's why.
  Are they SUPPOSED to just fold their hands and smile and give him anything he wants just because he was deified? For legislation he didn't even read or know the details of. That he thought was a prop when he saw it? He had no clue it was that many pages of bureaucracy.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, that is the propaganda of which you speak
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's not propaganda Tammy. Barack does not know these things. He really really does not.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I used to be a liberal or thought I was. I know better and I sit and watch this BS and especially this voter watch??/ For pete's sake you make anyone Conservatives feel like they are evil deliberately.
  Like I say....why are we having an election?
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, I do not think you are evil...I do not! I think you believe what you believe with all of your heart as much as I do....Do you think women should be losing rights? Do you believe in liberty and justice for ALL? I DO! That is what this election is about for me JS, R/R, they are messing with the constitution and my rights and all human rights..It is unconstitutional!
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  American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Amazing how with all that is really important, everyone just recycles the same things. I m answering after a comment from Tammy, but my response is not directed at her, but to everyone.
  
  First, Bush did not steal anything, let's get over that one. There were several independent groups, a college that took on he project, and the Wall Street Journal in conjunction with many others involved did recounts of the whole state and the way the Dems wanted by only recounting the four strongest liberal counties. All of them show the same, Bush would have won under either scenario. Let's put that to bed finally.
  
  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100524251837190200.html
  
  I have no problem if their are independent watch groups monitoring the polls to make sure of no voter intimidation. But what I am against is what this article is portraying, that they are responding to a request to monitor only conservative intimidation. And who requested it, well none other than the civil rights groups that were inflicting the intimidation on conservative voters last election, guess they do not wannt conservatives breaking into their turf. I know, I already hear you, " oh the liberals would never do that". How soon we forget about what the black panthers did last election, or the guardian angels. Seems liberals forgot that.
  
  Will both sides grow up and be honest. Both sides are as crooked as the day is long. Both sides commit voter fraud, intimidate people, register false voters, and more. What's the answer, I do not know, but at least be honest about what goes on.
  
  Last, Voter ID. This has been argued and debated here in the forums under hundreds of threads. Here is the deal, almost everyone that is a legal US citizen of voter age has ID. If you end up like me where you lose it all, it is real easy to get them back. From a hospital bed where I collected a huge $30, yes I said thirty dollars a month to live on, I was able to get a copy of my birth certificate mailed to e for a $15 dollar processing fee. I went ot the Social security office where I was given a new card at no cost. I went to the DMV ut due to my time in the hospital and my drivers license had long expired, I could not get one without taking th test again.. But no worries because they can give you a picture ID like your DL at no charge. Oh and by the way, here in Texas when you get an ID, you can register to vote right there. The person giving you your ID will ask you, you say yes and presto with the pressing of a computer key you are registered to vote. So getting ID is easy and not expensive.
  
  The argument is the poor and minorities cannot get them it is a hardship and we disenfranchise them. Rubbish, they need ID to cash their welfare check or checks each month, if they Direct Deposit they need ID to open the bank account. They need ID to rent an apartment or house, to apply for section 8 assistance, or for food stamps, or utility assistance. In some states you need photo ID to even turn utilities on.
  
  Truth is the only people disenfranchised would be illegal aliens who should not be voting in the first place. Imagine the loss of votes if the illegals could not vote because they had no ID, and which political party would that hurt?
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  AV, I have to comment here
  
  I did not get the impression that this monitoring is focused on any one side verses the other. Does it matter who requests it, as this matter is a concern from what appears to be both sides, so who is afraid? That Black Panther story is shoeworn. There has been many more compliants in regard to the behavior of the conservatives, I would need space for a term paper to list them all.
  
  AV, you said....
  Will both sides grow up and be honest. Both sides are as crooked as the day is long. Both sides commit voter fraud, intimidate people, register false voters, and more. What's the answer, I do not know, but at least be honest about what goes on.
  
  With the registration scandals of late, which of those have been associated with the DEMS? This is not tit for tat, one side has clearly been more culpable than the other
  
  The state of Pennsylvania official channels stated that if the Voter ID law went to law the way they had intended, that over 500,000 people would be disefranchised. If this is all about just 'common sense' why are these laws being shot down by state judiciaries across the country? Are all of these hallowed instituions biased against the GOP? Obviously our legal minds have problems with your interpretation, much of it on the basis of points I have been making about the issue for some time. Well, AV, what you are able to do and what others can do might not be the same. The courts considered your argument and dismissed it, why? I have said before that this is being promoted exclusively by the GOP, grounds for my suspicion right there during a political season where they want to obtain an advantage that they do not merit within the system. There is much more concern about the integrity of the absentee balloting system, why not attack at this point? If you are honest, you know what this 'program' of theirs is all about. There are many without even your access to technology you take for granted, and do not live in Texas. So, whats the hurry, implement the law over a greater period of time educating voters and avoid this looking like a cheat against progressive voters by the GOP.
  
  There are many people that do not operate within the grid. The stats from Penn make that evident, it is presumptious of you to equate buying cigarettes with the constitutional right to vote.
  The truth is that the GOP has been engaged in a direct attempt to thin minority voting participation and it is plain as the nose on anyones face. What they cannot win through persuasion and advocacy they steal through cheating, and that I will not abide.
  Obviously it is a fact that so many of these laws particularly the most stringent are shot down, Penn for example, shows that the judiciary is seeing a much bigger problem with the basis of the laws and its implemation, do they not?
  
  Best wishes, Cred2
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said. Just open the polls and put some pens out there. Who gives a frigging rip if they are registered or alive or anything?
  There will no longer be free elections. All that has to happen now is the little "civil rights groups" that started this to begin with complain when Barack tanks and the UN in all it's glory will step in and try to tell us we have to invalidate x number of votes.
  I mean after all they control us right? At least as far as YOU are concerned Right?
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  Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Common JS, more mad faced rightwing hysteria?
  I did not hear about this ID stuff in 2008, or 2004, were we overwhelmed by all the illegal voters or is it that you cannot deal with a changing demographic where minority voters are going to have a greater say in these political decisions? You tell me which.
  As regarding this control stuff, you hallucinate, alter your dosages of the right wing meds.......
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You don't even have to worry about the ID thing man.
  We just handed control of our elections to the UN.
  But that's ok.....they wouldn't like use it for control purposes or anything. That's just more of my hysteria.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Credence you would never know if it happened or is happening.
  They have you complacent.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What part of I have no problem with minority voters don't you understand or do you just turn into a broken record over this stuff....repeating talking points over and over and over and over.
  Let me ask you....if a guy steps across the border is he just automatically a citizen and can just walk into a poll and vote. Or am I "disenfranchising" him by wanting to know who he is and where he came from?
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  American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good to hear from you, hope all is well in Hawaii
  
  I am sorry, but I disagree with your assessment .For every Conservative voter fraud or voter registration issue you toss out, I can counter with one from the liberal, your right it is a tit for tat. Bottom line is they both are guilty
  
  I agree it should not matter who asked, but how and why was it asked for? It was requested that these monitors check the polling places to make sure “conservative do not deter or intimidate voters”. They did not say “ make sure the Black Panthers do not intimidate voters”, did they?
  
  Worn shoe, so are you saying let’s ignore what happened, are you saying let’s ignore what happened because it was liberals who did it? You cannot change or explain away what they did just like the Republicans cannot explain away their voter action. Wrong is wrong, we learn from it and make adjustments so it does not ever happen again. Perhaps we should free Charles Manson at his next parole hearing since the story is a worn shoe now.
  
  The voter ID laws are not being struck down in the fashion you state, a closer examination will reveal the truth. In Pennsylvania for example, a Republican governor and legislature voted it into law. The Democrat State Supreme court knocked it down. Also the stat of 500,000 is so far inflated it is crazy. There are about 1 million living below the poverty level, less than 4% of then do not collect any kind of assistance or are not working, therefore the 96% all had some form of ID to get those benefits.
  
  In states like Texas where the State Supreme courts are Republicans, their laws does not get knocked down. It takes Holder and the DOJ to do that. And Holders political party is …..
  
  Funny how the argument on voter ID has changed so much. First the liberals balked claiming there was no voter fraud and if there was it was so negligible it could not affect anything. But as the exposure of the extent of dead people on the voter rolls, people that do not exist, pets live and dead, illegal’s who are not allowed to vote, felons and we can go on. Now the narrative has changed to the Republicans are creating all the voter fraud.
  
  You and I agreed in another thread on this months ago that we can go to an ID system if we take out time implementing it, I still fell that way. But to blame one side over another is a waste of time when they both do it.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  True AV, both sides...In my state, TN, older citizens, I believe it's 65 or older, are not required to have a photo ID for driving privileges...so to me it looked like a late day meausre of blocking elderly voters...but your right, both sides do wrong
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Earth to JSCHAMS! Earth to JSCHAMS! In what world do you reside?
  
  NY Times, July 17, 2012 - “Virtually every Republican in Congress has taken the pledge, pushed by Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, never to vote for a tax increase — a pledge both parties see as a serious impediment to a tax compromise.” {1} At the very least, the pledge is dereliction of duty! Tell us once more, JSC, how you can’t get the Republicans together on anything.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Read some of my other stuff and then get back to me Quill.
  I come from a long line of Democrats. I am the black sheep of my family.
  Basically your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  
  JSC, I have no idea what you are talking about.
  
  I pointed out to you that your own statement was incorrect. You deflect the truth and avoid a reasonable reply with some kind of double talk about once being a Democrat? Republicans in Congress pledged away their obligation to vote independently and you are okay with it. If it makes you feel better, go right on ignoring the facts in the real world and go back to whining about Conservatives being picked on. That’s all fine with me.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Democrats in the Senate do what Harry Reid tells them...period.
  Go Bs someone else Quill.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You are falling for the propaganda if you believe that Conservatives and Conservatives alone commit voter fraud and suppression.....PERIOD.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I believe there is corruption on both sides...hell they may all be on the same side and we are the fools...
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  THAT"S WHAT I AM TELLING YOU!
  There is not a dimes worth of difference and they are playing a con.
  Democrats=Angels
  Republicans=Devils
  
  We are all just fallen people.
  Senator Democrat and Congressman Republican call each other crap in Congress and before the press all day long and go out and have surf and turf in Georgetown together at night.
  
  You know who James Carville and Mary Matalin are right? They worked for Bill Clinton and GHW Bush respectively. They met campaigning for each of them when they ran against each other...fell in love and got married. They are still married and have teenagers. They argue with each other on talk shows. Then they go home at night and go to bed together.
  
  How much more do you need to know?
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So why then JS are you REALLYpulling for Romney?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not. I don't want the yahoo but take off your shoe and put it on the ballot and I will vote for it before I will vote for Barack Obama.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you understand that post at all?
  Because it is chock full of insight into reality.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If it was no doubt at all dark, light , good and evil then those two wouldn't be happily married and it would be completely different.
  If any other Republican candidate had been nominated you would be saying the same things about them.
  Because that is what you are taught.
  It's the old Jedi mind trick.
  These aren't the droids you're looking for.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, opposites attract, hell, look at us
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yep..me and my wife too.
  But you should be able to see what I am saying.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  James Carville is the smartest operative the Democrats have. He makes David Axelrod look like a school boy. But there is such a rift between the Obama Democrats and the Clinton Democrats he won't have any of it.
  That's their loss because if he were running the campaign Barack would be a shoo-in.
  Hey he got the biggest liar that ever hit Washington elected twice. I'm just sayin......
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And it's the same thing with voting..
  "You don't need to see their papers". says Obi-Wan.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate the compliment, but I am no Jedi, seriously though, I like you JS...do you by chance know, themanwithnopants (Jim Brown), he started an organization to fight corruption called the house fire project...he is conservative, but I want to help him anyway, you should look into it JS, you could help him, your a good guy
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Possibly.....
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  Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It was decisive! Bush won the count, then won the recount. The Gore campaign then did everything they could to change that FACT!
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  Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Bought Florida? Oh you mean when he won the count then won the recount? Then the Gore machine sued to recount in heavy democrat areas only and the supreme court said no, if you want a recount you have to count everywhere? So the dems threw in the hat because they couldn't count in SELECTED AREAS ONLY? Bought Florida...jeeeeeeeeesus.
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Cody Hodge5posted 11 years ago
So what about the billboards in Pennsylvania that tell voters that they need ID. What about the Arizona registration forms for Spanish speaking voters that said the election was November 8th? I wonder who they were meant to keep away?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So get a frigging ID . Man up and do it.
  That not obstructionism.
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Because there is no law requiring ID, that's why.
  Because "voter fraud" is a solution in search of a problem.
  If you'd follow what's been happening, it's quite blatantly an attempt to suppress minority voters, including African Americans, Latinos, and students.
  It's documented that the initiative comes from the top -- the governors (Pennsylvania governor made it clear that the idea was to deliver the state to Romney).
  They're being quite bold about it.
  And the courts are swatting them down and folks like Rachel Maddow are calling them on their shite. But they're just going along their merry way with the wrong dates on voter pamphlets (only the Spanish version) and threatening billboards (although those are supposedly funded by some "family foundation" but of course no one can trace who paid for the billboards).
  
  It's not a question of "manning up" and getting an ID.
  This is not even about the IDs.
  It's about confusing voters and threatening voters so they are afraid to turn out to exercise their civil rights.
  
  This from a party that is so adament about preserving the Constitution...
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Mom why don't we just throw open the doors at the polls and set out the ballots and the pens and have the volunteers walk out for ten hours and come back and see what we have huh?
  
  All anyone asks is we know who is what and are they even SUPPOSED to be voting here.
  If Democrats wanted voter ID you would be evil for trying to stop it. You know that too.
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's not about IDs. It's about disenfranchising select segments of the citizenry from exercising the right to vote, which is guaranteed them under the Constitution.
  Since voting is a federal issue, any ID requirements should come from the federal, not state governments.
  I live in the most populous state in the country.
  We likely have as many if not more undocumented immigrants here than any other state.
  Yet there is zero hew and cry for voter IDs here.
  Why is this "problem" only happening in states with 2010 tea party governors???
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No one is disenfranchising anyone. How many frigging dead people do you want voting?
  Why is this only an issue if Conservatives bring it up?
  I am frankly VERY tired of the BS. I want everyone who can LEGALLY to vote so we know what the hell people really want.
  
  OK????????????//
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You may not believe it MOM but there ARE people........and they don't HAVE to be Conservatives who will defraud the election system. Chicago was always famous for it.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You ever hear of a typo sport?
  I am too old to be BS'd by all this.
  The polls show Romney ahead and people are freaking out.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I read about those. Terrible!
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  Jean Bakulaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It is common for Republicans to put up notices in poor and racially integrated neighborhoods to try to make them think they should vote on the wrong day. It's despicable, and dare I say racist. It's done all the time. I've seen it done in NJ. Even in our local elections, the R Mayor stands at the polling building and gives bottled water and other gifts to the voters. It's strictly illegal, but our Freeholders are R's too. It's the hyprocritical way they live, then act like nobody else has morals, that makes them so nasty. And the way they lie. Romney seems quite moderate now. I haven't seen one self respecting R come out to endorse him, they know what a liar and farce he is.
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
What's happening her is the Democrats perceive they may well lose and are gearing up for the big wail and cry of foul play.
Because we all know don't we that it just should not at all in this universe be possible for a Democrat contender to lose to a Republican.
Grow up gang. We all lose sometimes.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS ACTUALLY, how could WE possibly call FOUL now...think about it
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Dear that article screams out that they think that's the only way they will lose. Now does it not?
  And no one from the Democrat party will admit there were people with billy clubs supporting Obama four years ago. It gets poo pooed and they walked away Scott free. i don't care whose party initiated the criminal charges they never ever ever should have walked out of that one.
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
I posted that article over on Facebook and people are stunned at the breathtaking arrogance of it.
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movingoutposted 11 years ago
I'm still waiting to hear the details of Romney's plan? Or him to answer any question for that matter? He plays to the audience. He's a good salesman, I'll give him that. But then I ask myself, why would a guy, who has it all, want to be President? To help the people or does he think it's his birthright? He has to hold some kind of record for years campaigning for President? I don't want voter fraud, and there's no evidence it is rampant. The Romney/Ryan ticket takes away womens rights, offer voucher for people under 55, refers to 47% of the people as moochers and lazy, and believes private health insurance is affordable to everyone or they can call 911 and go to the emergency room. I've yet to figure out how anyone could vote for Romney/Ryan.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Because as i told Tammy I will vote for a shoe before I vote for Barack Obama.
  Understand?
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  movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And I will vote for a shoe before I vote for Willard Romney.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Will your and JS's shoes match? I love shoes. Maybe we should all vote for shoes.
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  Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe we can vote for Big Bird's shoes?
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That would be some mighty big shoes to fill
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nice try, Habee.
  I think this thread is past the point of conciliation, however.
  
  But I do like the idea of a third party candidate.
  Ernie Velveeta's hawt!
  
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Mom I can promise you if we go through this election and it's somewhere close and this UN action is used to brand Conservatives as having done wrong when they didn't you are going to be amazed at how many times I get myself banned.
  Particularly the attitude I get about it which is like well you know you ARE evil.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sizzlin'!!
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The subject is not funny and I ain't playin.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, I told you last night, I do not think you are evil, I do not think conservatives are evil period....I do think the far right extremist are insane looney toons, and so are the far left.....I think Obama is a moderate/progressive....I think the GOP are extremist....I think Romney is a conservative kind of moderate maybe and Ryan is far right
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you don't Tammy, but others are perfectly happy to let that characterization stand.
  This is a desperate act by desperate people.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, you're the one who brought up Ernie Velveeta. I already posted a serious reply to your thread. Did you see it?
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  American Viewposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, that looked like Hamburger Helper in the skillet.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think I've ever seen Hamburger Helper.
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  GA Andersonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What????? Never seen HH? You are either part of the 1% - or an alien (as in ET)
  
  Everyone, except Romney, knows what hamburger helper is.
  
  Geez Louise.... I'm having Strogenof(?) HH tonight too.
  
  GA
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  Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I've heard of it but have never tried it. No reason to I make money the old fashioned way, I work for it! Its amazing the things you can get when you want something.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes and i am sorry.............
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No prob. Peace.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Habee, many think the opposition is shoeless. In a campaign between two shoes, they will still become archenemies standing toe to toe to prove the other is a loafer or a heel. One will surely play the lace card.
  
  As in past elections, Habee, I get instep behind the sole winner and eyelet him shoe us the way into the future.
  Q.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So...do both candidates have soles? Does one arch over the other, gaining the upper hand? If so, he might be a shoe-in.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am not too sure about that, Habee.
  Shoe candidates put their heart and soles into their campaigns. I don’t know who foots the bill, but they work like mules on a shoestring budget. Of course, I say that tongue-in-cheek. Or, should I say thong-in-cheek? The candidate that went to Oxford shows a lot of polish but both campaigns are rather shoddy, if you ask me. Can you imagine the spats that will break out in this forum if either one gains a foothold with the electorate? Ed Sullivan was right. This November is going to be a really big shoe!
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  Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Someone needs to hush those puppies, they're just a bunch of well healed tongues- or flip flops, as the case maybe!
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Dang! How did I miss flip-flops especially during this election cycle.
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
We need an understanding here. What I am about here is the understanding that there is an unholy arrogance to claiming that Conservatives must be watched for voter suppression.
Conservatives alone. If you subscribe to that you have no spine.
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  JS, Think about this, I am sure they will watch out for both, it is probably a good idea since the nation is so divided...and if Obama loses, my liberal, democratic, and progressive friends, will have nothing to say...right? Have a great night friend, nighty night, don't let the bed bugs bite
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That article does not say that Tammy. I can appreciate you think it's nothing but it is something.
  If Obama loses there will be screams to high heaven of voter fraud and this sets the stage.
  Particularly if it's like by one state. Hence the discussion we had about Florida. You couple that with the rumors of rioting if Barack loses and well.............................
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
It's just simply this.... I WILL NOT stand by and let the little your just totally evil and our crap doesn't stink game to continue one more day without a fight.
It's a load and always has been and this development is just more propaganda designed to scare people with no good sense.
It's far more evil to accuse people unjustly of something they cannot possibly yet have done. But that's what is happening. There is the assumption of wrongdoing when no substantial votes have even been cast.
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Cody Hodge5posted 11 years ago
I think someone needs a hug? Anyway, I admire that you fight for your beliefs, but you should try doing better than propaganda and half-truths. Your starting to sound like Romney.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Cody...I have seen a lot more elections than you have. I am not trying to be mean but you don't see the game.
  Like I just posted elsewhere if the R's are the problem why do we have R's?
  Why don't we just have D's and then everything would be right wouldn't it?
  Are you one of those folks that think republicans are evil and Democrats are the "good guys".
  You think it's that black and white?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hey i know....let's pretend for a minute that the Republican nominee is not Romney....someone else.
  Let's call him Ernie Velveeta.
  
  Is Ernie Velveeta evil?
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  Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Does E. Velveeta believe that 47 percent of Americans are moochers? Does his VP pick believe that 30 percent of Americans are just takers?
  
  Does he believe that getting money from his father, and then being handed his position at Bain from his boss from Bain Capital Group to start Bain Capital makes him an actual businessman?
  
  Does he think that the Utah Olympics getting funds because the government made it a national priority after 9/11 make him the reason that the games in SLC were a success? Does he also have the arrogance to proclaim the he "saved the games as we know them."
  
  Does he think he is a good politician because he had a mediocre run as Mass. governor?
  
  Does he think that his own healthcare plan isn't worth running on a national level?
  
  Does he come up with a tax plan that he can't actually implement?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, is Ernie evil?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No Cody....I said he isn't Mitt so you can't brand him with Mitt.
  Is he evil
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
None of you think this through. You just think Evil Republicans because you are told they are evil and whoever the guy is one the other side of the ballot with the R next to his name....well....he is evil.
Who told you that?
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
Here it is folks....the UN in this action just branded all Conservatives as possibly being complicit in nation voter fraud. Why....just the fact they are Conservative.
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JSChamsposted 11 years ago
There will be a push to have one party in this country. It will come from the Democrats if this election is razor close as it may be like 2000. It will be because, you know, twice now THE REPUBLICANS have commuted voter fraud when in fact they haven't
That lie will not matter to many here.
I mean after all JS......you are part of the evil.
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Wayne Brownposted 11 years ago
The UN has no place in America in terms of monitoring elections especially in light of the fact that a significant portion of its membership would not recognize the democratic approach to elections. There is only one reason they are here....at the invitation of the president...yet another symbolism of his appreciation for the American culture and how he wants to protect it. No other president other than possibly Jimmy Carter would have even discussed such an occurrence. Once they show up once, we lose control of that process to their introspection and guidance...is that what the average American voter wants to see. The UN is an absolute joke yet more of our dollars go to support it than any others and we end up carrying the mail when the times get rough. Referring to a UN Inspection Team or a UN Peace-Keeping Mission is about as close to reality as spotting a herd of unicorn grazing in some field. This president is giving our country away culturally, financially, politically, and socialistically. You may think the UN is showing up to police the Black Panthers and other groups but you will be wrong. Anything they come up with will ignore that aspect of the election process. This is nothing more than an extension of the socialistic process and America better wake up to it for what it is and put the brakes on. ~WB
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  tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We will ignore?....Like you guys ignore the spanish speaking signs misleading the true election date I could pull my hair uot at this round and round load of bull....Now I'm late for church...everyone have a blessed day
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Basically there will no longer be free elections in America.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hey there, Wayne. Nice to see you here.
  
  I was wondering if you have done any research to support this claim. The OSCE has been observing US elections since 2002. Perhaps you missed the facts surrounding the invitation issued by President Bush’s State Department in 2004.
  
  As you probably know from your research, there is a long-standing precedent for international observers covering our elections, one that goes back to 1990. “OSCE members, including the United States, agreed in 1990 in Copenhagen to allow fellow members to observe elections in one another’s countries…Consistent with this commitment, the United States has already invited the OSCE’s Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) to observe the November 2, 2004, presidential elections.” {1} The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the largest regional organization in the world, consists of 55 free nations. Members include Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Russia, Spain and the United States. I don’t see where we loose control of anything. According to JSC’s article, only 44 observers are planned. {2} Besides, our elections have been observed by international organizations for a long time. What sovereignty have we lost? Nada! Election laws and procedures are controlled by individual states and the federal government does not interfere unless individual civil rights are violated. Even foreign observers are controlled by individual states. Opening our election process for the world to see seems very "pro-democracy" to me.
  You have not told us why we will be wrong, Wayne. Unless you have something other than your personal opinion, all I see in your statement is the spreading of unsupported fear. Believe me. I don’t dismiss your concerns, Wayne. I am only saying to you, don’t tell us; show us! Show us something substantial if you have it.
  
  I am really anxious to see your supporting evidence. Please share with us.
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  {1} http://www.wnd.com/2004/08/25977/
  {2} http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/26 … raud-group
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psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago
No one should be badgering people at the polls. If it takes third party observers to record and supress this practice, I am all for it.
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BloodRedPenposted 11 years ago
Quill would make a great democrat congressman - He has the written filibuster down-pat LOL. I marvel at how many liberals have the ego to call themselves enlightened. Last time I stepped into the voting booth I seem to remember more than one party listed. "And as for voter suppression" You need an photo ID to get a welfare check, You need a photo ID and mailing address to get a social security check. If you live in a nursing home you needed 3 forms of ID to become a resident and you can absentee easily . Every interaction in American society requires an ID. How does requiring it to vote make any difference. It's just Liberal Loon Smoke And Mirrors.
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  Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This is not a Constitutional right!
  
  Neither is this!
  
  Nor this!
  
  Not true!
  
  Voting is a Constitutional right, if the people want to require ID to vote. There is procedures to Amend the Constitution!
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Howdy BRP. I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure of exchanging ideas with you before. It is nice to meet you.
  
  I expect your sarcasm was unintentional since I only posited a link to a recent news story. Perhaps I misread the article. Did AG Abbott not say he would prosecute observers if they got close enough to observe?
  
  I have never questioned the two party system nor have I ever challenged your right to your opinion. The very least you can do is respect my right to mine.
  
  I did not mention photo ID requirements but, since you brought it up, I will comment.
  
  Previously, legally registered voters who had met all of the state’s necessary requirements and had duly established their right to vote, did so under a system that proved itself to be widely successful. Today, those very same voters must meet new criteria that did not exist before. A new standard for citizenship has been needlessly added. Those who voted in the past but fail to meet the new standard will have their right to vote stripped away. Unfortunately, too many Americans with a photo ID think that they are more qualified to vote then those Americans who do not. That smacks of elitism and elitism is one of the dangers our republic revolted against.
  
  Photo ID requirements should be required of new registrants only and not imposed upon an existing electorate. Of course that would then defeat the whole purpose for enacting such laws. Pennsylvania’s GOP House Majority Leader Mike Turzai, has already boasted publicly that the new voter ID law was an accomplishment that would deliver the state to Mitt Romney in November.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
  This law, like all laws, needs to be judge on its intent as well as its content.
  
  Thank you, BRP, for commenting on my post. I am interested in knowing your opinions. I hope you have a great night.
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BloodRedPenposted 11 years ago
That is a atypical response - Hide behind the Constitution when it's convenient - But tear it up when it gets in your way.
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  Chams1956posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  They learned that from the left you know.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Weren't you banned from Hubpages JSChams?
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  Chams1956posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Have no idea who you mean.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Really? Even though you put JimbodaNimbo in both profiles and you're using "Chams'
  
  Sorry, I apologize for the obvious mixup.
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  Chams1956posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I forgive you. It's an honest mistake.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
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  Chams1956posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  
  Yep, that's a classic. My personal favorite Bogart is The Maltese Falcon.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi JSC, Nice to see you back again. How many socks do you have in your draw?
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  Chams1956posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Mostly odd pairs. The dryer has an effect where it generates a back emf which opens a space time rift. That's where your socks go.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I know exactly what you mean, JSC! I solved that problem a long time ago with safety pins.
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RecoverTodayposted 11 years ago
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