Immediate effects of Sequestration........

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   Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

   The Dow hits an All Time High.
   
   

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      whoisitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      White House tours cancelled.

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         Drhuposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         So??????

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            whoisitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Just saying.

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      Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well, considering they had 18 months advance notice and did nothing until the last possible moment tells us they were not too concerned about sequestration.  Some pain will be felt because that was the intended result from the very start.  "If you don't give me everything I want I will hurt you bad."  If these cuts hurt anyone, it is because they wanted it to hurt.  With some cooperation and planning, nobody needed to be hurt.

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      ib radmastersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Dow is not the indicator for the health of the economy.
      Neither is the GDP because it includes government spending.

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   knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

   Must be a good thing so the market says.

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   Patriot Questposted 11 years ago

   ........heard on the radio the state department ordered 27 armored cars on the first day of sequestrian,.............that tells me any layoffs are bogus, they have plenty of money and I'm glad something found a way of curbing a tiny bit of it!

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   Well, when meat inspections stop the plants will close and that will hit some people.  There will be quite a lot of job losses unless they start digging out now.

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      Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The sky is not falling. Get a clue.

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I didn't say the sky is falling.  I said there will be job losses, in part because of meat producers having to close. By law meat must be inspected and inspections are being cut, meaning some plants will close. These are just facts. No big deal unless you work in a meat processing plant.  Then a very big deal.

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            whoisitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Then maybe the guy who gets to choose who gets laid off (Obama) shouldn't lay them off.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               The questions was what the effects are, that is one of the effects.  Sometimes a fact is just a fact.

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                  A.Villarasaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  @Psychesskinner:
                  Maybe we should all become vegetarians, ...

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                  whoisitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I know, Obama is the one who decides the cuts, didn't know that fact?

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   Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

   Of course they want you to suffer pain:
   
   http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … -promised/

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      Zelkiiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The sequester was designed to be a major ball-buster in order to get both parties to work together to avoid it. They didn't, so the ball-busting is now upon us.
      
      What's the mystery?

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         Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         It's no mystery. They want you to suffer.
         Vote for him again now.

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            psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            It was designed by both sides to be something they would be forced to avoid.  They then failed to avoid it. A vote for either party is a vote for the people who caused this.

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               adjkp25posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Comments backed up:
               http://factcheck.org/2013/02/the-obamaq … TaETldIfyU

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                  whoisitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Did the republicans sign it into law too? You see, Obama thought it was such a good idea that he did! Then he thought it wasn't such a great idea but oops too late. So he was for it before he was against it.

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                     tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     US President Barack Obama speaks to the media about sequestration in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House in Washington on March 1, 2013 following a meeting with US Speaker of the House John Boehner and Congressional leaders. Obama summoned congressional leaders but the talks were more for the sake of appearances rather than a deadline day bid to avert a damaging $85 billion in arbitrary budget cuts. Obama was bound by law to initiate the automatic, indiscriminate cuts, which could wound the already fragile economy, cost a million jobs and harm military readiness, in the absence of an deficit-cutting agreement.
                     http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/03/02/its-offi … tive-cuts/

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                     adjkp25posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Try reading what I said earlier.  I also suggest you look at the link I posted which showed support from both sides of the aisle on the initial bill that forced this problem now.  Both sides of the aisle, as well as the President himself, haven't done their jobs on this.

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                        Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes and it shows just exactly what I said. This administration started it. NOT the president but his people.

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                           adjkp25posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           And it shows it had support from both sides of the aisle yet the blame for it is still at the Presidents feet?  Interesting.
                           
                           If something has support from multiple parties/people don't they all share in the consequences of their support?

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                              Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Let's get this straight.
                              
                              Do remember Harry Truman? Democrat President?
                              Do you remember what was on his desk?
                              Let me help you.
                              THE BUCK STOPS HERE.
                              Amazing as it seems and as sad as it appears to be for most liberals...many of us actually expect the Chief Executive to exhibit leadership which includes taking responsibility. That's something he has shown no interest in doing in any negative situation...which will happen.
                              Once again we know full well any President named Bush of Reagan or whatever Republican would have already been skewered nine ways from Sunday on this so quit cryin' and suck it up.

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                                 Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 That comment pretty well sums it up.  We do have a leader who is supposed to deal with these issues, and he refuses to do so.

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                                    psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    You seem to want the President to be an all powerful dictator.  I, for one, am glad he is not.

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                                       A.Villarasaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       @Pscheskinner:
                                       Despite his oft repeated protestation that he is NOT a dictator, Obama's actions do indicate his rabid ideological tendencies that borders on the dictatorial.  But a powerful dictator?  Hmmm  he is not there yet, but one has to assume that he willl go that way, if the American people don't stop him cold on his tracks.

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                                 adjkp25posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Because I expect people who vote for something to actually accept it if it fails or succeeds I need to quit crying or suck it up you say?  Fascinating since I'm not crying about this but thanks for your concern.
                                 
                                 As I said earlier I think the President does share some blame here, maybe you missed that part?  I just don't think he should accept ALL OF IT (I know how to use caps too).  All politicians who voted it for this have a hand in it, that is all that I am trying to say.
                                 
                                 I don't need to get anything straight, I have a pretty good idea about it; I'm just not going to agree with your view.

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                                    Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    If that's the case the buck really doesn't stop with Barack.
                                    View it how you wish. He knows nothing of leadership.

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                                       adjkp25posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       I didn't say anything about the buck stopping with him, you did.
                                       
                                       All I want is for politicians to own up to their votes, good or bad.  I don't think it is too tough to expect our elected officials to do this.  Unfortunately people will continue to do what they do and we will continue to spin in a circle appearing to be busy but not accomplishing anything.

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            Zelkiiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I voted for Batman, because he's the hero Gotham deserves.

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               Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Nightwing......
               
               or Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Team Batman

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                  Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Joseph Gordon-Levitt
                  Micheal Caine
                  Gary Oldman

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            tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            One reason for the inaction in Washington is that both parties still hope the other will either be blamed by voters for the cuts or cave in before the worst effects predicted by Democrats come into effect.
            
            A Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Friday showed 28% of Americans blamed congressional Republicans for the sequestration mess, 18% thought Obama was responsible and 4% blamed congressional Democrats. Thirty-seven percent blamed them all, according the online poll.
            
            The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office predicts 750,000 jobs could be lost in 2013, and federal employees throughout the country are looking to trim their own costs.
            http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/03/02/its-offi … tive-cuts/

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   Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

   See here's what I don't get and hopefully someone can explain this......
   
   I just saw not too many days ago all sorts of really unhappy people posting about the drones and you didn't vote for that. There was a sense of betrayal and having been lied to in all of it.
   
   Now here he comes with another wagon load of road apples.....and it's being refuted daily....yet you line up right behind him, even though he is lying to you and everyone else again.
   
   Why?

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      whoisitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You know why.

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   adjkp25posted 11 years ago

   I found evidence of Obama stating how happy he was with this deal when it went through, wait...that's not Obama.  Who is that guy?
   
   http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-2 … -i-wanted/

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      Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Uh-huh....
      
      Jack Lew started it....your new secretary of the Treasury. Did you know that or they didn't email you about it?

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         adjkp25posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Let me try this again.  Since the blame is all being thrown at the President I thought it would be informative to show everyone that other political figures were "happy" with what would happen if they didn't get to work.

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   Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

   “This email confirms what many Americans have suspected: The Obama administration is doing everything they can to make sure their worst predictions come true and to maximize the pain of the Sequester cuts for political gain,” said Rep. Tim Griffin, Arkansas Republican.
   
   quote from the article I posted link to.

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   Patriot Questposted 11 years ago

   White house closed its tours, never mind volunteers did most of the work!  Million dollar golf outings are still on for the President though............things that make you say hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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    Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

    

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       Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       But the population grows every year and inflation cuts about 1% every year which means that now there are more people with not enough money to cover the services they require which is why thousands of prisoners have been released early due to sequestration (and that is just for starters).

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          Patriot Questposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Josak, the government has plans for not one but two multimillion dollar conventions over the next month,  ..........Government is getting the same money they recieved in 2008?  Everything ran fine then?  Obama still gets multi million dollar vacations?..........something stinks in the hen house!

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             Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             You misunderstand. We are so stubborn!
             What we eventually have to do is have our employers send our payroll checks to the irs and they will distribute to us what they think we need to live on.
             That will be fun won't it?

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    Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

    

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       Zelkiiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Mildly annoyed and hungry?

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       psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       For people who have started their furloughs and taken a big pay cut, I bet it feels like crap.

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          Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          It hasn't happened.

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             psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Um, dude.  Some people have already been issued their furlough notices. Unannounced pay cuts = not fun.

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                Justsilvieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Yes they have!  And no it's not. In fact it feels like crap to have lived through three years of pay freezes and now a pay cut. Those who think the present administration has not been cutting back, must have been living under a rock the last 4 years. They don't have a clue...

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                A.Villarasaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                @Psycheskinner:
                So I suppose we could expect societal chaos in a few more  months what with Obama's dire prediction of doom and gloom.
                Greece...Spain... Italy...., here we come.

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                   psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                   Try addressing a point I actually made rather than creating straw men.

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                retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                The law requires federal employees receive a 30 day notice of any change in employment status.  That would seem to constitute an announcement, unless you are in the private sector, where unannounced means unannounced.  Private sector employees are dismissed and walked out of businesses everyday because the burden of a fat government is crushing American business.  The American private sector has contracted by millions of jobs and household incomes are down, unless your household is one propped up by tax dollars.
                
                Why should anyone feel for federal employees whose hardship has been delayed by  taxes, borrowing and inflated currency?  Time for them to get a little skin in the game(to quote the dear leader)

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                   Justsilvieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                   No one is asking you or anyone else to feel for Federal Employees, but you are showing your ignorance and your lack of empathy. The typical right wing anonymous troll, with nothing on their plate except hanging out in forums and repeating the same inane crap all over the internet.
                   
                   Federal Employees are like everyone else, don't confuse them with elected officials, they pay, taxes, contribute to their health care and pension and are effected by the economy like everyone else.

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                      retief2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                      As you wish.  I still wonder how a 30 day notice constitutes "unannounced" and how a reduction in pay for some federal employees is as devastating as the fate of the millions more Americans currently unemployed thanks to compassionate and enlightened liberal policies?

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    psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

    I would feel bad if I got a sudden pay cut, so I feel bad for other people when it happens to them. That's just basic empathy.

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    psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

    Why do people have to swing between wild extremes?  It's all one person's fault, or another's.  Its not happening at all or it's the end of the world.
    
    The sequester is not vague, it is not a mystery, its words on paper.  We know everyone who had a hand in it, and we know what it does.
    
    It is a moderately stupid thing being done by a very stupid gridlocked political system with the complicity of many of those politicians, from both sides.
    
    If you want to know exactly what the sequester does, here's a wild idea: read it.
    
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-112pu … publ25.htm

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    psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

    I meant that it does not go through the usual process for a pay cut.  But if you prefer, strike that word and replace it with "sudden". But keep in mind that the person you are replying aboveto never used the word at all.

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