If stars fell out of the sky, do we blame Obama?

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   tlmcgaa70posted 12 years ago

   i am neither for or against Obama. but i am seriously getting tired of everyone blaming everything that goes bad on him. my step dad is a serious Obama hater and I hear almost nothing from him but how everything that happens in the news is his fault. tonight it was "kodak is filing for bankruptcy, things are sure getting better under Obama!" i normally avoid anything to do with politics, but come on people, grow up and take responsibility for what is happening in the world and quit finding someone to blame it all on. things have been going down hill for the last several presidencies...not just Obama's

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Obomba signed NDAA.
      
      He's dead to me.

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         Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, yeh, like that changed your mind.. 

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I'm disgusted it didn't change yours.

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               Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I don't like Obama.  However, I will hold my nose and vote for him because no GOP candidate will do any better and most of them will do worse.  George Bush just about destroyed us; we don't need any more of that.

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                  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  George Bush was harmless on his own. George Bush's advisers just about destroyed us. It went like this . . . early one morning they shook him awake, "George! Wake up. Quick! Sign these papers or the whole economy will fail by lunch. You have to bail out the financial industry"
                  
                  "What? Bail out? Are we in a plane? Where's my flight suit?!"
                  
                  "Hurry! Sign these papers! Something BIG has to be done! Don't you want to do something BIG? This is your last chance to do something that everyone will remember you by."
                  
                  "Okay. What did you say about lunch? I'll have chicken fried steak."

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                     uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Do not forget how the Press made it appear as if Barry took control of the TARP meetings and saved the day.

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                  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Ron Paul isn't a neo-con.

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                     uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You are so right - there is nothing "neo" about Ron Paul.  There is plenty of paleo, however.

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                        Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        I'll take old over evil any day.
                        
                        He's 76 for a reason. He embodies the Spirit of '76.

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               uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               +1

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Ron Paul signed the Personhood Amendment...he's dead to me.

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            uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Wow, maybe Ron Paul isn't all that crazy.  If only he wasn't such a dangerous idiot on foreign policy - but he has that in common with Barry.

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               Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Killing brown people = OK
               Killing unborn = not OK.
               
               ...You neo-cons crack me up.

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                  uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I never distinguished those killable by color.  Are you revealing something about your internal state?

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                     Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     But it is true the US doesn't ever seem to invade countries with white citizens.
                     (Germany doesn't count. They started it).
                     Why is that, I wonder?
                     

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                        paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Now that observation really does open up a kettle of worms...

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                        uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        They didn't start it with us, either time.

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Look out for the Frog Prince article: "Commander in deceit Obama makes stars fall from the skies"

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I find the question interesting.  When Obama wants to blame someone for every conceivable calamity (and other liberals do this also)  he blames George W. Bush.  Who has been out of office and off the radar for over 3 years.

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         Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Can you truly overcome 8 years of total, complete and utter mismanagement in just three short years? And ask yourself this, If Obama is as incompetent as you proclaim, and a Republican is elected to office in 2012, would you still support that President in 2015  if he blamed all the ills of the country on Obama. Somehow, I think you would.

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            Leann Zarahposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Good argument, Hollie. Besides W and his allies endangered the lives of Americans overseas with their war on Iraq. Not all Muslims supported Bin Laden's moves at that time. But after that and the abuse Iraqi prisoners got from American soldiers, Muslims who hate the US increased. That's a good way of expanding a market base for armaments. Guess they're still happy for doing because the country's in total chaos now even if previous US governments supported Saddam's reign for years.
            
            Not saying here that Obama didn't have any mistake at all as a president. But if you put another Republican in the White House, I don't think that person will save the US economy just because he's not a Democrat.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't blame Obama for everything, just for using the highest Office in the land to cut down American patriotism and to promote socialism, immorality, and racial tension, among other things.  Reckon that's plenty.  As far as the stars falling, nope, that's not his doing; it was Satan's doing, long ago, when 1/3 of "those" fell.  Reckon he did enough too....

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      Shinkickerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I won't blame Obama for anything, we have enough politicians in the UK to blame. I suppose he's little more than a PR spokesman for the establishment anyway.

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      tsadjatkoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Could be time you got off the fence and looked at the facts - http://video.foxnews.com/v/141177680900 … t_id=87485 - there is no way an intelligent scrutiny of this president would leave one "undecided" There's plenty to "blame" him for without making stuff up - who does that anyway?
      
      
      
      

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         Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, Obama did NOT do this. The Federal Reserve did.

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            tsadjatkoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Really? so what has Obama done to avoid this? NOTHING!!! His policies have actually made it worse...who is running the country  the fed or the President? and if it is the fed, who's fault is that?

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Didn't you watch the speech? He's setting up a task force to go after the criminals.
               
               You know...it takes time to tie your shoe, let alone unwind 30+ years of free-for-all thievery.
               
               Give it time....or elect the criminals back in. Our choice.

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                  uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  30 years??? Where did that number come from?  Democrats controlled the Congress until 1994 - Republicans until 2006 - that is 12 years.  Do you mean the Senate? Because Republicans controlled that for even fewer years.  Do you mean the Presidency? Because Bill Clinton comes smack dab in the middle of your 30 year window.  Just wonder where the 30 years comes from.

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     No, I mean 30+ years of Republican Policy.
                     
                     You know...trickle down economics. Or, as Bush Senior said: Voodoo Economics.
                     
                     Too bad Junior didn't listen to ole dad.
                     
                     Oh, and now the meme is Trickle Down Gvt.....well, the highest tricklers are those who purport to hate the gvt.
                     
                     Dis-Connect.

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                        uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        You mean the economic policies of the 1980s when Democrats controlled congress?  You mean the policies that created millions of jobs, held inflation in check, reduced interest rates, radically cut unemployment numbers?  Is that the policy you object to?  You mean the policy that the 1994 Congress reminded Clinton was successful?  Do you mean the policy that created millions of jobs under GWB while keeping inflation in check, interest rates low and unemployment low?
                        
                        Do you mean the policies that Democrats, starting in 2006 started to resist and unravel?  The President isn't a dictator - though Obama has bemoaned that fact - they cannot make economic policy in a vacuum.

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                           lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           No--I stated it pretty clearly: Trickle Down Economics and Laizze Faire gvt.
                           
                           What is not clear? This is my opinion. MUST I change it? Don't you have yours?
                           
                           "though Obama has bemoaned that fact "..There you go again, speaking for Obama!

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                              uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Just undoing your damage.  Perhaps your should look at how Obama handles recalcitrant Governors - elected officials in their own rights with authority that he cannot have.  Or better yet, take a look at how he talks about Hu Jintao, such envy.

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                  tsadjatkoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  His speech? It wasn’t a State of the Union; it was actually a Class Warfare Rally in the House chamber on every network. To put this in perspective. So the magic, the Messiah, the hope and change, all that, it’s gone. The magic, all that stuff, it’s gone. It was deadbeat city. It really was. It was chock-full of lies. It was fantasyland. No, it didn’t soar. It was boring.
                  
                  There was nothing to set it apart, nothing about it that’s going to be memorable in a positive way. General Motors, the No. 1 car company in the world again? It just isn’t true. None of the economic news is true. He did two things. He lied. He tried to paint the economy as back. We are back, except where we’re not back, and that’s Bush’s fault.
                  
                  During the president’s speech, Obama focused on what he claimed to be a massive turnaround for American carmakers, saying, “Today, General Motors is back on top as the world’s No. 1 automaker. Chrysler has grown faster in the U.S. than any major car company. Ford is investing billions in U.S. plants and factories. And together, the entire industry added nearly 160,000 jobs.
                  
                  General Motors number 1? What an absolute crock. Anyway, after talking about all the wonderful, great, miraculous things he did with General Motors, then what did he say? ‘It’s time to apply the same rules from top to bottom: No bailouts, no handouts, and no cop-outs. An America built to lasts, insists on responsibility from everybody.’ Now, maybe I’m a bitter clinger, but the car companies appear to have received a bailout to me. The UAW got a bailout to me, and the UAW was handed General Motors and Chrysler, if you ask me. Now, I don’t know what that is if it’s not a bailout. So he spends a whole speech talking about, ‘No more bailouts. We’re not gonna do that! No handouts, no cop-outs,’ and then he gives as his greatest example of American prosperity a company he bailed out! Who wrote this? This speech was an embarrassment.”
                  
                  There were numerous facts Obama omitted from his address:
                  
                  He didn’t talk about the 13.1 million unemployed Americans. He didn’t talk about the 5.6 million unemployed Americans who have been on unemployment longer than 27 weeks. He didn’t talk about 8.1 million involuntary part-time workers. He didn’t talk about the falling civilian labor-force participation rate was 64 percent. The number of jobs, the universe of jobs shrinking, didn’t bring that up. Didn’t talk about the national debt, $15.2 trillion, five trillion of which is his! Do you realize one-third of our entire national debt as a nation over 200 years, one-third of it is his, his alone. Of course he didn’t bring it up. He didn’t talk about the Keystone pipeline.
                  
                  This speech was so filled with contradictions. He talked about teamwork is what made America great? Teamwork? Do you know how wrong that is? Do you know what our founding documents are about? The rights and freedom of the individual versus government. There’s nothing about teamwork. There’s nothing about compromise, getting along and working together. The whole point of this government, the whole point of this country, the whole point of this founding was to champion the power and the rights and the civil rights and the freedoms and the liberty of the individual over government. I’m gonna tell you, if anybody on our side running for office anywhere – Senate, House, president – is on their game, this is an immediate, I mean they have just, Obama unwittingly has tossed a softball with the bases loaded.
                  
                  This is worth two grand slams, this whole concept of teamwork, when this country was premised on the power, the rights of the individual, on the uniqueness of all of us, that we are different, that we all bring different things. Then there was this, whatever we do, we gotta have fairness. There must be fairness. That’s a code word for class warfare. Fairness is in the liberal dictionary, and it gives them the opportunity, the right, the power to redistribute wealth. That’s what fairness is. …

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               Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You clearly don't know what the Federal Reserve Bank is, or how it works.

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                  tsadjatkoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Nice cop out - You clearly don't know how this government works and how a President who's party is in full control of congress for two years has the power to reign in the fed, plunge the country into economic doom by their policies which have created record debt and spending we may never be able to correct. To say only the fed alone is responsible for our economic trouble and exonerate Obama and the democrats is either the height of naiveté or just another demonstration of what lenghts Obama supporters will go to defend his incompetence.

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      liftandsoarposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We did the same to Bush before Obama.

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      Sooner28posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well, this is what you get from the current GOP.  I think the title of this forum accurately sums it up.  If stars started to suddenly fall from the sky, then I could see Mitch McConnell or Eric Cantor saying Obama's regulations on stars caused them to use so much of their power up they ran out much more quickly than they should have.  Stop the regulations on stars!

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   WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago

   I come from a military family. I was taught to do everything I can to get my candiate elected. After the election, the winner is now Commander-in-Chief. It is time to keep my mouth shut, give my full respect and follow orders. That is how the war is won.
   
   Next election . . . get the crazy fool out of there.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   I know for a fact that Obama is the reason my car didn't start this morning.

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I can't believe it's been 2 weeks...
      
      I fired off an email to whitehouse.gov, but still no response.

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   manlypoetrymanposted 12 years ago

   Q:If stars fell out of the sky, do we blame Obama?
   
   A: If it happened during his term...naturally...he would be blamed for it...isn't that what happens to all presidents?

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      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No, what happens is they (r) destroy everything and let the next guy (d)take the fall-out. Then when the next guy (d)gets us on the road to recovery, they (r) ruin it again. 2 santa-claus theory. It has worked for decades.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   "One by one the Republican candidate potentials have been shooting themselves in the foot making huge, horrible gaffes and they just look silly. It's gotten so bad that President Obama is now worried he may actually be re-elected." –David Letterman
   
   "A man jumped the White House fence, but after a brief chase, the Secret Service was able to talk President Obama into coming back and finishing his term." —Conan O'Brien
   
   "President Obama said regarding the economy, 'The sky is not falling.' The poll numbers are falling, the market is falling, support for the war in Libya is falling, Anthony Weiner's pants are falling, but the sky is fine." –Jay Leno
   
   "The Republicans are so happy about bin Laden they’ve granted President Obama full citizenship." –David Letterman

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   cheryloneposted 12 years ago

   Would I blame Obama, no, I don't think so because I have so many other things to blame him for.  One of the biggest is that he keeps blaming everyone else for the state of affairs right now and he's been in office for how long?  I think perhaps he needs to start accepting what he has, and hasn't, done and move on.

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      3 years he has been in for three years to correct the mistakes of 8 years, furthermore have you heard the wisdom that it is easier to create than to destroy? Honestly I think no matter who was in there it will take decades to fix the blunders of the last administration such as our collapsing economy.

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         uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You are right. Democrat Presidents do a great job correcting problems.  That is why the darkest days of the Depression(not the current one) were 3 years into FDR's first term.  That is why the darkest days of the Carter years, domestically and internationally, came during his third year.  Third years are obviously the nadir of the Democrat Presidents' terms.  Way to go Barry, your greatest accomplishment was making things worse - but history shows that is what Democrats do best.

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            Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Why is this suddenly Democrat vs Republican, I just said Bush made it worse, things were much better under Clinton, do you want to debate that?

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               uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Really, when did they get better?  When did they get worse?  Clinton's first budget had a large deficit despite him campaigning for a balanced budget.  Clinton tried to take over health care just like Obama.  What changed - mid term Congressional elections gave us a balanced budget, welfare reform and the first pay down on the national debt in decades. 
               
               A Republican Congress coupled with a pragmatic Democrat did that.
               
               When did it get worse under Bush?  Bush came in during a minor recession.  It ended, taxes were cut, the economy rebounded from the devastating loses after 9/11, inflation was low and so was unemployment(lower than under Clinton.)  When did that end?  After the 2006 mid-term elections when Democrats took back the House and the Senate.  Reforms to Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac were blocked, further tax cuts were blocked, expansion of energy production was blocked(multiple times), the housing crisis loomed but no help from the Democrat Congress.
               
               A resentful(Bush was selected not elected) Democrat Congress, with a sycophantic Press, a loud (now invisible) anti-war movement blocked every effort to tackle significant problems from 2007 through 2008. 
               
               It is about Republicans and Democrats - much more than some would believe.  Republicans are no saints but look at the depth and sweep of damage a Democrat Congress and a Democrat President can have on a great nation.  It isn't the first time Democrats have brought the country to its knees.  Hopefully it will be the last.  I doubt it thought, because one thing is certain.  History is that which we are doomed to repeat.

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               uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You should check the growth, unemployment and inflation rates while the Republicans ran Congress and compare to when Democrats ran Congress.  It will clear things up for you.

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                  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  All you need do is remember your life during those time periods...even easier and more clear!

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   What about Colbert?

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   Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

   if the stars fell from the sky, not only would some blame Obama, but they would wonder when he would ask 'his' God to make the moon follow
   
   

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      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You can move in next door, but don't try to tell me where to walk my dog!

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   Disturbiaposted 12 years ago

   "If stars fell out of the sky, do we blame Obama?"
   
   No we dont' blame Obama, we would just blame it on the previous administration.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      2002 -2006 unemployment was half what it is now.  Inflation was all but gone.  There was no long lasting housing crisis.  Gasoline prices were stable and about 80% lower than they are now.  Interest rates were higher but still lower than the 8 years of Clinton. 
      
      What happened in 2002 to make the change?
      What happened in 2006 to end the change?
      
      2002 Republicans won a majority in both houses of Congress
      2006 Republicans lost a majority in both houses of Congress
      
      This is not a coincidence.
      
      One thing that really disappoints Obama, and it shows when he interacts with strong governors like Brewer or Jindal, is that he isn't the Supreme Leader.  Presidents are only as powerful as Congress will let them be.

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    rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago

    Presidents don't have as much power (control) as the public assumes they do. Blaming a president for all that befalls a nation shows ignorance.

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       Leann Zarahposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       And immaturity.

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    MrMaranathaposted 12 years ago

    No but he would probably try to take the credit anyway!!!  ;-)

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       uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       It would be a change we would have to believe in.  If the stars fell from the sky on America the transformation of American society, culture, law, economy and politics he so craves would be accomplished at one fell swoop.

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       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Actually no he doesn't. And it would help if he did! Much good he has done is completely ignored.

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          MrMaranathaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yes... he has done much good.. the Presidential Jet (Airforce One) did need a new paint Job and getting rid of the old Presidential Logo and replacing it with what the New president considered the value of the American people seemed like a good Idea at the time Im sure.

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    MrMaranathaposted 12 years ago

    Ok... seriously.. He is just a front man.  Thats it.
    a Pawn.
    But he has a nice smile... and he gets votes... and he does what his controllers tell him to do.
    That is how he got elected, and that is why he will probably get elected again.
    and Rhetoric goes on... and on... and on....
    While the real dirty deals go un-noticed.
    
    Is it just the Dems?  NO... I think Its the whole stinking bunch of them.... that however... is just my opinion.

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Ummmmm. Mitt Romney allegedly paid 0 taxes in 2009. Now, IF you are "fair"...you would call him a lazy moocher wouldn't you?
    
    Since people call those under $45,000 who pay no income tax "moochers".
    
    Difference is, Mittens paid no FICA either. They did.

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       MrMaranathaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       No.. I would  not call him.

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          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Really?
          
          His "job" is running for president, he made upwards of 20 million and allegedly paid no taxes...what WOULD you call that?

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             Disturbiaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             I would call it SMART!  What I want to know now is how do I get in the "paid no taxes" club? I'm calling my accountant this afternoon and having my people set up a meeting with Mitt's people.

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                lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Sell your country out.

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                Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah, good luck with that Disturbia!
                You do know Mitt's "people" are corporations and they're operating offshore, right?
                

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    junkoposted 12 years ago

    Most of the nation is politically ignorant and the democrats and republicans like it like that. Their ignorance makes them easy to fool.

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       Leann Zarahposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       They love their egos and their business allies more than the people whose lives they're supposed to help improve after getting elected.

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    What damage? I thought I couldn't challenge a flea. And I would rather look at the recalcitrant gvr, and how she got her state those jobs....just what is going on there? Prison Industry. SOMEone needs to investigate. Talk about Insider trading.
    And I wouldn't let her point her nubby finger at me, why should he?
    She's a gvr, he's the pres. There is such a thing as protocol. 
    
    He stated in his speech that to call it envy is ridiculous. And I agree. It's about fairness, and sharing the American Bounty, instead of hoarding it at the top.
    
    SIMPLE. It's the disparity that burns. Peons and Lords. That is NOT America!

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       uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You are right there is a protocol - women should be submissive to their president - isn't that what you really mean.  In her state she is the chief executive not he.

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    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    Back to the OP.
    If stars fell out of the sky and were determined to have worth that could be spent (but not taxed, of course), no, we would not blame Obama.
    Never in a million years.
    We would "blame" the starmaker Republicans!!

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       Leann Zarahposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Howcome there is no "like" button (or a similar feature) on Hub forums?

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