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Detroit Judge Tells Young Man He Needed a Beating

  1. Stacie L profile image87
    Stacie Lposted 3 years ago

    By ED WHITE Associated Press
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    Associated Press

    A young man who participated in a mob attack on a Detroit-area motorist needed a father to "beat the hell" out of him as a kid to discourage him from committing such a crime, a judge said Thursday.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/defe … k-24597290
    Did this judge go too far with is personal opinion? He probably said what some were thinking.

    1. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Wow what a horrible judge! We should openly shame the judge because that violent psycho is a victim of a messed up society. In my opinion the psycho is a hero for taking such abuse from that mean old judge.
      We should coddle this poor misguided young man to show him the err of everyone else and get the judge thrown off the bench for the mere suggestion that a person take responsibility for their own actions.

      1. Zelkiiro profile image85
        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Because clearly the thing that will calm a violent-tempered youth is a rage-fueled beating. Just like a flaming sheet of sandpaper is the best thing for a sunburn.

        1. Onusonus profile image86
          Onusonusposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You are absolutely right, which is why I think the kid should sue his victim, the Judge, and the news reporters for defamation of character. I think that to call it a "violent attack" is racist, sexist, homophobic, and a clear display of overt white privileged in an unfair society.
          They should instead call it a puppy shower.

    2. bethperry profile image90
      bethperryposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      According to the article, the kid and his companions beat the motorist so severely he was put into a coma. The kid also said he didn't have a father growing up. Personally, I'd cut the judge a break; he likely is fed up with seeing kids committing these outrageous acts of violence. Back when I was young, our parents devoted more time to teaching us right from wrong than trying to make us feel good about ourselves, and would have beat our butts if we had ganged up on someone and put them in a coma. And though it may not have been perfect, the world we grew up in was a hell of a lot safer than what our kids live in today.

      1. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Nineteen is hardly a kid! Just saying.

        I've known a fair few who have grown up without a father to "beat sense into them" and they have turned out to be well balanced people.

  2. Silva Hayes profile image93
    Silva Hayesposted 3 years ago

    Perhaps he HAD a father who beat him.  More likely, no father in the picture at all.  I don't pretend to have any answers to the violence in the world.  Sad.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Dude! Spoiler alert! You can't just blurt out the big plot twist like that!

  3. Alphadogg16 profile image89
    Alphadogg16posted 3 years ago

    I personally don't think he went to far. Our society is raising primadonna's .... Spoiled victims.... I'm old school & will always believe disciplining would make a difference in a lot more children. Of course I'm sure there were some kids that got beat & still did crazy things, but for the most part, I agree with what he said.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I've found many ways of disciplining without beating. I've found them far more effective and can be used to those at any age.

      I've also found that the message one gets from a beating is that when you are angry with someone you beat them.

  4. peeples profile image87
    peeplesposted 3 years ago

    I just find it bizarre that anyone in this day and age thinks beating equals having respect for people. You don't teach kindness through pain.

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      +1,000,000,000,000,000,000, THANK YOU PEEPLES!

  5. rockester profile image80
    rockesterposted 3 years ago

    I think the judge is right, nowadays kids are given too much freedom. I got beaten by a lot by father as a kid and I didn't turn a psycho. lol

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I dunno. Advocating for decriminalized domestic abuse sounds pretty psychotic.

  6. Silverspeeder profile image59
    Silverspeederposted 3 years ago

    The problem is moderation or the lack of it. Nobody truly advocates beating children or anyone else for that matter but by constantly taking away the tools of parenthood and then to expect the children to grow up balanced and healthy is in the very least misconstrued and at the most stupid.

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry but my daughter grew up healthy and balanced without the need to use physical violence on her.

      1. wilderness profile image94
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Never got a spanking?  Not even at 2 years?

        I know some people seem capable of that, but I was not one of them.  The kids (both) got few spankings (not beatings - spankings) but they DID get them.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          No, not even at two years.

          1. wilderness profile image94
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I'd have to say either an exceptional parent or child. 

            Few people are capable of giving up the most effective behavior modification tool possible and still, in their total ignorance of raising children, manage to do it with good results.

            1. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              The trouble is that too many people who think that violence is an effective behaviour modification tool for children carry on to use it on other adults.

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I doubt the two are connected in the slightest.  A spanking followed by a hug is a tiny bit different than a knife in the belly, don't you think?

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  "A spanking followed by a hug"

                  Sounds to me like the pattern of domestic violence.

                2. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  But do you not think that the lesson that you use violence to modify behaviour might lead to those unable to modify behaviour with their fists to use knives or guns?

      2. Silverspeeder profile image59
        Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I knew that would be your answer John. As you tell me though one exception or experience doesn't nessessarely mean it works for everyone.

        My point was taking away responsibility from te parents is not the answer.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Who said anything about taking responsibility away from parents?
          Hardly an exception either, none of my peers with children have ever found the need to use physical violence to control their children.
          It is hardly responsible for a grown man to beat a small child.
          We're always banging on about paedophiles but then demand the right to abuse our children.

          1. Silverspeeder profile image59
            Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Well firstly there is a difference between beating and a smack. Secondly I don't really care if you have million friends who haven't done it as you and your friends have not been part of any research about the issue then it is your opinion and you are untitled to it but it proves nothing.

            There is and always will be a difference between disciplining a child and abusing one.

            1. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              When disciplining a child involves fear and shock that is abuse. Without those what impact would your disciplining have on the child? How would t work?

              1. Silverspeeder profile image59
                Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Never said I was a psychologist John, you would have to ask one of those how it works.
                Are you then calling me a child abuser? Because I can tell you from personal experience that it does work and that it worked quite well. It was not a case of beating the life out of them it was a short sharp slap to enforce the fact that what they had done or were about to do was wrong. It worked, non of them have termed into killers, abusers or paedophiles, all of them have done quite well and I believe non of them hate me.

                I will admit that just because it worked in my situation doesn't mean it would work for everyone.

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  How would you feel if I were to give you a short sharp slap? Would you find that acceptable?

                  [Notice to Hubpages, that is not a threat or a personal attack it is a reasonable question in a reasonable debate]

                  1. Silverspeeder profile image59
                    Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Well now we are adults John I would see it as that I had offended you by my actions, if you slapped me for nothing I would without doubt punch you on the nose but because I was chastised in such a way by my father when I was younger I would know and understand what the punishment was for. However in the same instance I hope you would know and understand why your were administering the punishment. Lots of people don't understand this concept that is why the world is like it is now.

                    [notice to Hubpages. I understand the context that John Holden made the statement in and by no means see it as a threat in any way shape or form. It's a discussion forum sand we are discussing the scenario]

                    {ps message to self, try not to get banned again for doing absolutely nothing}

          2. peeples profile image87
            peeplesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I agree!! We don't "pop" "swat" or hit in any way any other person in our lives yet it is "discipline" to do it to our children? Makes no sense. There is never a need to hit a child no matter how "soft" it is claimed to be. It's our job as parents to find ways to teach our children without teaching them that hitting is okay.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Why do you equate beating with responsibility? We are responsible as parents to raise our children to understand what is expected from them in society. Beating them only teaches them to hit when angry.

          1. Silverspeeder profile image59
            Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Firstly if you don't know the difference between a smack and a beating maybe it's a good thing you haven't used this form of punishment.
            I stand by my own experience both as a father and as a child.

            1. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              But do the parent and child agree on the definition of a smack and a beating?

              1. Silverspeeder profile image59
                Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I think it should be more about does society know the difference between a smack and a beating?

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Do you smack adults when they don't listen to you?

                2. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Not, it isn't society that either beats or gets beaten. It is purely between the adult and the child.

                  1. Silverspeeder profile image59
                    Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    No John the child doesn't put you in prison for beating children society does. Society also deems thought its laws and rules that you are responsible for the child until it is 18. Therefor the child is not responsible for its discipline you are.

    2. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, parents are berated in public simply for giving their kids a swat on the butt when they act out. Instead of getting a little discipline they see that they can get the upper hand in just about any situation; school, the restaraunt, the market, etc. Next thing you know you've got a bunch of hyperinflated egoes running aroud demanding instant gratification, free handouts, socialism... You know, the kind of stuff that destroys a society.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "constantly taking away the tools of parenthood"

      The only thing it does is force us to use our brains to find ways of letting the child know what is expected from them and what the consequences are if they don't meet the expectations. Privileges are taken away. Which is exactly how adults are punished, therefor the kid has an understanding of the consequences of their decisions.

      Take away that cell phone for a week and you'll have their attention.

      1. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        A two year old with a cell phone!

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          No a two year without his action figure.

  7. Stacie L profile image87
    Stacie Lposted 3 years ago

    Since posting this article, I decided to search for a  photo of the judge and see that he is an older gentlemen probably from the era where spankings and 'beatings" were the norm. He also is probably considering the age and normal behavior of the defendant and spoke in language that he would understand?
    http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20140717&Category=METRO01&ArtNo=307170055&Ref=V1&MaxW=145&Border=0&

 
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