Donald Trump lies almost every time he opens his mouth and then denies that he lied. He attacks anybody who disagrees with him by using slander, insults, and downright civil abuse. In rallies, he encourages his supporters to do the same thing. My concern is that he has been doing this for so time now, and that the public is getting used to it and it is becoming the new normal for treating people. Especially for those who support trump, they are willing to overlook his lack of civility because nothing can be worse than Hillary Clinton. Are you willing to overlook his bullying and nastiness because of the accusations that have been leveled against Hillary?
"Are you willing to overlook his bullying and nastiness because of the accusations that have been leveled against Hillary?"
About as willing as you are to overlook Clinton's acknowledged attitude that she is not subject to the law of the land and the proven disregard for the security of the nation.
When you've decided that those things really are important in our commander-in-chief, then you have a right to degrade others for accepting that Trump is doing the same thing that has been done for decades and the same thing that is being done to him.
There has been an evolution over time. Romance went from "The evening breeze caress the trees tenderly." to "Tap that xzz." Sex has been taken to the nth degree on television with explicit curse words. Donald Trump has moved along in the evolution participating to the fullest. All freedom is not necessarily good.
Donald Trump, like the evolution of morals and character, acts and speaks with no abandon.
Trump says what he thinks and, honestly, I've seen the left attempt to run with interpretations of what he said which appear to be way off base. I've also seen him back pedal fast and attempt to say he didn't mean what we thought he said. I guess I like that better than dirty backroom deals that stab others in the back. And then, deny you had anything to do with it.
Live to Learn,
So you have no issue with lying, only with the way the lie is delivered . . .
I don't think you realized Trump was/is lying to you, since you say he says what he thinks honestly. Now you seem to be trying to crawdad, looking for a way to gracefully wipe the egg off your face because Trump suckered you in.
Fact checkers have determined Trump lies on average every 3-4 minutes. Just put the following words in the Google search box and see what you get from a dozen different sources: Trump lies on average every 3 minutes.
Not only is Trump a first class liar, but he manages to squeeze them all in between fleecing contractors, customers, taxpayers, his employees, and people in general. You could say he's a multi-tasker. He lies and cheats and steals all at the same time, seamlessly.
And you really believe Republicans rarely or never make "dirty backroom deals." ?? They've been stabbing Hillary in the back for decades, and not secretly either. And you gobble it up along with Trump's lies.
Hillary has been exonerated by investigation after investigation, all conducted by Republicans, but you refuse to accept the findings of the very people YOU elected and say are honest. She hasn't done anything her Republican predecessors didn't do and no one had fits when they did the same things -- using a private email server as well as deleting emails. The Shrub is proud to admit he deleted millions of emails.
I think a lot of people actually realize Trump is taking everyone he can for a ride, but they want to fit in with their circle of friends more than they want anything else, so they go along to get along in that regard.
Research has shown again and again that most people will do whatever it takes to fit in, even when it undermines their own best interests, and that the 'group' they consider so important that they will do anything to remain a member of, is wrong.
Some people who were initially taken in by Trump have seen the light and have reversed course where he is concerned, but there are always those people who can't admit they were wrong, and stubbornly persist even though they know they are sinking.
This is apparently the first post of mine in the political forums you have read. I don't particularly like the fact that any of them lie, but that appears to be the norm for politicians. The point of my comment was that at least we see his immediately. Hillary's? Well, we just have to wait until someone ferrets it out and splashes it on the internet.
I'm not crawdadding (whatever that is). Trump didn't sucker me in. .I am not a Trump fan. I simply find Hillary the least qualified person on the face of the earth to represent our nation.
You say Trump has fleeced contractors, customers, taxpayers, his employees, and people in general? Hillary has fleeced the American public by squandering tax dollars in pay to play schemes. She has squandered our national security by placing it on unsecured devices. She has squandered our faith in her morality by her lies to cover up for a philandering husband. The list goes on and on. I am probably older than you and I can tell you while my entire sub division were losing their homes due to the savings and loan crisis; Hillary and Bill were raking in the money because of it. I don't forget.
I didn't say Republicans didn't participate in politics as usual in Washington. I am tired of politics as usual in Washington and Hillary will continue the practices that have slowly disgusted us as a nation to the point that someone like Donald Trump actually has a chance at the white house. To me, that says a lot. Trump is a buffoon on many counts but he is still better than supporting the status quo by supporting a lying, cheating career politician.
And, so you know, Hillary was not exonerated. If you think she was then you obviously didn't listen to the FBI's statement. Basically, she is guilty but they chose not to prosecute.
Is Trump taking everyone for a ride? If so, how is that any different than what we have been experiencing from politicians for a very long time?
I suppose some people can't admit when they are wrong. I also think some people are so clueless that they don't understand why they are wrong, also.
I don't see Trump as the answer. Just one step away from the problem. Hillary is in bed with the problem.
You don't know what a crawdad is? I thought all southerners knew what they were. Some people call them crawfish or mudbugs, but regardless, they are little fresh-water "shrimplike" creatures that swim backwards real fast, especially when approached by another species. I'm not commenting on your comment, just telling you what a crawdad is. Sorry, couldn't resist.
I agree with you. Trump does say what he thinks, but so do unruly little children. Have you ever fact checked him? He calls Miss Universe a fat pig. He started the Obama birther movement and never admitted it was a lie or apologized. He says Obama and Hillary created ISIS, nothing could be further from the truth. Talk about backroom deals that stab others in the back and then deny it, he has done that his whole life. Hillary is accused of Benghazi and emails, your guy lies every time he opens his mouth. Thanks for proving my point. I guess you would rather overlook the childish behavior of Trump, because you think and have no proof of Benghazi and emails, just right wing propaganda.
If you were on a football team and you were going to play another team the following week and the coach broadcast to the world, that if your team loses, the game must be rigged, that is the childish thing that Trump does. He whines like a spoiled child when he loses and says that people are not playing fair with him. When he is always playing unfair with his opponents. Thanks for proving my point.
I've never 'blamed' Hillary for what happened in Benghazi. I've commented on her ineptitude during the crisis. Not the same thing.
Honestly, though, she has proven herself inept at every turn. I can see why inept would trump a buffoon in some people's eyes. I simply wonder why those who choose her can't admit it is still a very sucky choice.
You know, I once thought it was a sticky choice, but Trump has made it the easiest important choice I've made in a very long time.
I used to understand how intelligent people could hold their noses and choose him over Hillary. No more. He has made it easy by demonstrating on nearly a daily basis what a horrible human being he is.
I'll proudly vote for Hillary in November because I truly believe that voting for that overgrown toddler would be the stupidest, most catastrophic choice I could ever make.
Jeez. Someone proudly voting for Hillary. I will never cease to be amazed.
Like I have said before, I almost wish he would become prresident, just so his supporters could see what it's like to have an overgrown toddler POTUS tweetstorming about Angeles Merkel's fat ass or Mother Theresa's ugly schnozz.
The US is already approaching laughingstock status by having Little Donnie as a serious candidate for president. Let's just go all the way!
We can but hope at this point. And cry if it should not happen.
LOL, it won't. Somehow, his 3 AM tweetstorms recommending Americans watch a porn movie aren't persuading huge numbers of people that he is capable of being president. Some people have minimum standards of conduct for a position of such great importance.
I do have minimum standards of conduct for a position of such great importance. Which is exactly why I can't vote for Hillary.
LOL, I saw that one coming a mile away. Can you name any of Trump's contemporaries who are recommending him for president? Someone who has been on the other end of one of his fabulous deals, perhaps? A partner in one of his tremendous business ventures that created many, many jobs? A fellow billionaire who can attest to his wonderful character (the best!), who would love to see him in the oval office?
By the way, his Butler doesn't count.
Think Bernie would love to see Clinton in the White House? Or is his recommendation based being a good little Democrat and hating Trump?
He was on the other end of one of Clinton's fabulous deals, don't ya know, and it very likely cost him the Presidency plus it could put Trump sitting at the big desk. Personally, I doubt that Clinton has any more real supporters than Trump does, just people afraid of her political power or that bought and paid for her favor one way or another.
You didn't answer the question, then you tried to rationalize Clinton's support which includes a large number of Republicans as well as a substantial number of national security bigwigs.
The fact is, she has the support of those who truly understand the demands of the job.Trump has the support of.... who? Oh yeah, non college educated white males. Nothing wrong with that but it is quite telling that he leads in that demographic and pretty much no others.
Funny how she gets the support of the rich and powerful, isn't it? Of those in the political circles of scratching backs and smoke room deals. The movers and shakers of the political world of Washington and the corporate world of buying and selling "favors".
While Trump is left with the common man in the street who owes him nothing at all and a few Republicans sticking with the party line and trying to curry favor with a new President.
Wonder why that is. Maybe you're right - Clinton understands very well the demands of being a politician, although no more than the rest of them when it comes to actually performing the duty of running the country.
Funny. Most people endorsing Hillary were commenting that she wasn't qualified on previous dates. Party schlubs don't count as endorsements.
Party schlubs? Does that include the many high ranking people who have served in national security roles under both Democrats and Republicans who have endorsed Hillary?
Couldn't find a contemporary of Donald's who thinks he would make a good president, huh? That must be scary to you.
Again, I find you missing the point. Big wigs, party faithful, those entrenched in and benefiting from the current lop sided system....their endorsements of Hillary are to be expected and to be seen for what they are.
A clean house is what I'm shooting for. Trump is little more than the harbinger of doom. Should he fail in his bid for the presidency at least he has started the ball rolling. I do give him credit for that.
A rich billionaire who benefits from the system is going to fix it or blow it up? Okay.
Obtuse, thy name is democrat. Trump's popularity is an indication of how many people are sick of Washington. Sure, there are those who actually like the man and think he will affect change. I'm not one of them. He needs to get elected, or come very close to it for real leaders who aren't well connected to realize the party machines can be broken.
Anyway, I honestly doubt Trump is a billionaire. I would hope someone with that much money would not have such garish taste.
Do you think he will show his tax returns? It baffles me that he has a set of rules for himself and his minions suck it up. As notorious as his philandering has been, he needs to shut up.
I doubt he will show them. I think he would have done it already if he intended to.
As to one set of rules for himself, sounds like Hillary also.
They should have qualifications for people to run for president that eliminates shady people. That Gary Johnson is dumb as a brick. He didn't know Aleppo AND he could name the leader of a country he would like to work with. Dr. Stein had an arrest warrant out on her for writing grafitti. Her running mate was talking about all of the bad white people.
We got some real nut jobs for candidates.
I know exactly what you're saying. I just think the argument makes no sense given who Trump is.
By the way, I also doubt Trump is a billionaire. I was just taking him at his word.
dianetrotter ~ I would ASSUME "Delusional Donald" will NEVER Disclose his Tax RETURNs to "WE the PEOPLE" unless required to by "COURT Order" & ODDs are he's LYING as usual about an "IRS Audit" because he REFUSES to Publish the "Generic LETTER" from the IRS which states an Audit is in PROCESS ~ Very SIMPLE, he should just Disclose the LETTER Right?? It reveals ZERO Personal Financial INFO ~
SUSPICIOUS as Usual about this CON-Man ~
But here's what I believe to be one of the REAL Reasons WHY he's HIDING his RETURNs & it's nothing LESS than "SHOCKING", but then again to those of us who are FAMILIAR with Wall Street Characters like Trump, probably not so SURPRISING ~
HEREs the Story & FACTs: Donald, Donald Junior & Ivanka are ALL NAMED in a $250 MILLION Tax Scheme LAW Suit which REVOLVEs Around a CLOSE Associate of Trump's NAMED Felix Sater, a COMMUNIST Russian CONVICTED Stock Swindler ~ If U were INVOLVED in a COURT Proceeding like this would U DISCLOSE your RETURNs ??
As usual I URGE ALL Readers to INVESTIGATE ~ GOOGLE is FREE ~
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … -case.html
I know you're not much of a deep thinker , even though you are a very deep conspirist , But your last comment is the best of all , probably your deepest !
"I urge all readers to investigate , Google is free "
What isn't free though is the mind of the pseudo-liberal , Like little brown shirted Nazi's you attach to each other in rhetoric and are ACTUALLY incapable of "free " investigative ability ! Keep up the great work though -------Hitler is smiling !
ahorseback: There is no conspiracy here. I have learned when people put up news link, the first thing I do is to check to see if the link is credible. There are many news site on the internet that take fake information from unreliable sources. You can just google fake news sites and you will see a list of them. Most of them support conservative agendas. The second thing I do is i check the "About" link to see what the mission statement of the site is. That's how I know a lot of them have conservative agendas. The third thing I do is click on the author link and see if the author is credible.
I did all three of these things on AP's link. It turns out, the Author in this case is none other than David Cay Johnston. Here is just part of his bio:
" David Cay Johnston is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter and best-selling author who teaches business regulation, property and tax law at Syracuse University’s law and graduate business schools.
Johnston’s innovative coverage of tax issues in The New York Times prompted tax policy changes by Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush that Congress valued at more than $250 billion.
He is the immediate past president of the 5,700-member Investigative Reporters & Editors organization. He is also co-founder and chairman emeritus of a lodging management company."
Here is the entire link, if you are so inclined to read it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/contributo … nston.htm/
So the next time you call somebody "not much of a deep thinker, but a deep conspirist NAZI", please know what you are talking about. See you are like Trump, you just use name calling as part of your argument, because you really don't know what you are talking about.
PP. ,Please !, Name calling is the calling card of the liberal , you know that too. don't you ! If a liberal finds the posted truth to hard to swallow the usual five or six terms come out , Racist , nationalist , bigamist , homophobe , sexist , ............face it the lies and negative accusations are owned by liberals today and especially your liberalisms .
Also , I don not care what the credentials are of the journalist ; ideological bias and political correctness RULE their sense of accuracy, integrity and ethics - today . Deny that ; and you too have swallowed the hook !
People, I do the exact same thing. When people make comments I go to their profile page so I can learn a little something about them!
Yea he has with his racist hate thats his opion he should keep it to himself
Eight examples where ‘fact-checking’ became opinion journalism
* http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … -opinion-/
‘Fact checking’ is opinion journalism pretending to be some sort of heightened objectivity,” said Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto.
MEDIA ‘FACT-CHECKER’ INFIGHTING ERUPTS OVER TRUMP’S IRAQ STANCE
Media panics as reality that Trump didn't fully support war sets in
* http://www.infowars.com/media-fact-chec … aq-stance/
Voters Don’t Trust Media Fact-Checking
29% of all Likely U.S. Voters trust media fact-checking of candidates’ comments.
* http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ … t_checking
Even USA Today says Trump is unfit to be president and they give the best reasons why I have seen. Every thing they state is verifiable.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 … /91295020/
As far as your title question goes, I can say Gawd, I hope not, but I'm afraid that is the new norm. Those of us who are old enough to remember real ladies and gentlemen and real civility mourn their passing. I'm afraid it is my generation's refusal to discipline our children because Dr. Spock told us not to in his book on child rearing that was the beginning of this manners fiasco. We oldsters have only ourselves to blame, and although Donald Trump, at 70, is one of us, he takes it as his cue to misbehave. At first I thought he was just a malignant narcissist, but now I believe that he may have a more serious mental disorder. Do we really want someone who may have a serious mental disorder in command of our nation? Like Hillary or not, she is not going to have an itchy trigger finger on the nuke button.
The Libertarian candidates have a good solid track record as governors, but during TV interviews they come across as Lum and Abner. I can't help but think that they are naive and even ignorant when it comes to international affairs. As one of them put it, he knows who the other world leaders are, but he couldn't think of any when asked. I understand that, but I also think we need a president who can think on his feet. As far as the Green candidate goes, Jill Stein does not advertise herself, so most of us know little about her. That doesn't make for a very good candidate in the political game either.
Like it or not, we are stuck with Trump and Hillary. I am another who will proudly vote for Hillary over Mr. No Manners.
What I never understand is how so many people , primarily on the left , are able to close their eye's to truth , honesty and lie to themselves constantly to justify the ideology , No matter the incredible crookedness of the candidate .
It's the American way now. That's why I was surprised to see this thread. We are a sick nation and getting sicker. I'm not sure we are capable of accepting the cure.
Perhaps Obama was the lefts outsider in 2008 for a chance for change , failure that he was - And now , Trump is the rights offering ? Who by the way , is REALLY an outside chance for change .
Obama was both naive, arrogant and manipulative when he first ran.
He said the US was acting superior to other nations and getting involved in their affairs, etc. He wanted to be buddies with everyone. Donald Trump wants to be Russia's buddy.
He thought all he needed to do was be in office and every thing would work out. As soon as he was in office he started blaming the other side of the aisle for not getting anythig done. The other side of the aisle was there before he was born. What made him think his being in office was all that was needed.
He sat in Saddleback Church and said he believes marriage is between a man and a woman. Before his 2nd term Biden spoke out that everyone should be able to get married. Then Obama came out and said the same thing. Then April, 2016, Obama comes up with the bathroom edict.
It's not just him. Everyone running lies about what their going to do. It really doesn't matter that it might be impossible (rounding up Mexicans and sending them to Mexico). The point is to get elected.
If Trump wins, all hell could break lose. His panties get in a knot about the most ridiculous things. It shows having money doesn't make you an intelligent person. The 10 year carry forward on the net operating losses is the reason Trump doesn't want to show his tax return. He doesn't PAY any! He's a hypocrite.
I trust in God. No matter which one becomes president, it is because God allows it.
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