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Conservatives - what exactly would Trump have to do before you would consider NOT voting for him?
Given the latest totally unsurprising revelation about Donald Trump's character and personality, is there ANY level to which he could stoop which would persuade HubPage's conservative Republicans to change their mind and start believing he is a worse option than Hillary? Just what exactly would he have to do on top of his wide sweeping bigotry, his crude vulgarity, his deceit, his attitudes to fiscal responsibility, his lack of political knowhow and lack of any policy detail, his alienation of senior Republicans, the fear he induces in America's allies, etc? What would be your breaking point?
I don't think it's possible to shake the faith of the trumpsters; they are completely deaf to rational arguments. Their hatred of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is so deeply embedded it cannot be shifted.
I'm reminded of the comment of former Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards, who, like most politicians from his state, is described as "colourful." During one campaign, which he won, he said: "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy".[
Nice quote Your comment is pretty much the way I was thinking when I posed the question Rupert. In a similar vein, Trump himself said earlier this year:
'I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot people and I wouldn't lose voters'
Green..I C U've joined the wise crowd & R learning 2 simply DELETE comments sent by those darlings who use insults & snide comments like, "stupid, ignorant, low-life, liars, losers (but he spells it LOOSERS)" Bcuz they disagree w/ him .Bravo
Could say the same about Hillisters, they can't get enough of Bashing Trump, but ignoring her record, that sounds about right for the left.
Paula, I'm actually loathe to delete posts, but I do think certain standards must be maintained (or reclaimed) on the Internet, and specifically on HubPages. I like to accept all opinions, but it's not always easy when exchanges get heated. Cheers
It's perfectly acceptable when they get "heated" but when one or 2 get downright nasty, rude & insulting, it's time to delete. I've done my share of getting hostile but ONLY in defense when the other draws 1st blood.
Even the Wall Street Journal is disgusted with the bias of the news media.
A lopsided and propaganda based shill of an "election".
I'm sue glad you folks in the U.S. are willing to hang the noose around your neck as you're being led to the gallows
"He can't lose. He can't accept his defeat in case he loses". He could have won if he didn't some gross mistakes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dPNQaWeiIE
The speech some hate is presented as hate speech; dissenting intellectual positions become mental conditions; contrary opinions are delegitimised – there’s no need to argue with a mad person. This is censorship by way of intellectual pathology.
To start with nothing you have accused Trump of compares to (and I quote from my black friend, Verily Prime) "Secretary of State Clinton, probably the most corrupt politician since Boss Tweed and she and Democrats have the nerves to point accusatory moral fingers at Donald Trump… accusing the latter as being immoral - what alternate universe are we living in?" http://hubpages.com/politics/Hypocrats- … t-16914650
Amazing how a few lewd remarks, not deeds, by Trump over 10 years ago, like that somehow, is worse or even compares to anything HRC has said or done? Hillary was less the bereft victim of her husband’s transgressions than his enabler, a “women’s advocate” with no compunction about slandering the “bimbos” who were obstacles in her way, not lewd talk actual actions taken to threaten, blackmail and defame her husbands female victims. And what did the leading democrats say about Clinton's 9 Lewinskies n the oval office. None of our business, that's his "private" life! (private or did they mean his private's life).
But to answer your question, "what exactly would Trump have to do before you would consider NOT voting for him?"
Trump would first have to have served as a career politician for over 30 years having been a big part of what has brought America to be on the path of destruction it is on and if he wanted to keep us on that path believed to be on the wrong path by the vast majority of people according to polls.
Then if Trump was an advocate of partial birth abortion I wouldn't vote for him.
If he was looking to put Justices on the supreme court who would legislate from the bench, I wouldn't vote for him.
If his wife was accused of rape and/or sexual assault by dozens of women and he helped her cover it up I wouldn't vote for him.
If he was responsible for the safety and consequent death of 4 patriots in Benghazi and then lied about it, even to their families, I wouldn't vote for him.
if he deleted 33,000 government emails kept on an unauthorized private unsecured server and his aids took the 5th instead of answering questions about it, I wouldn't vote for him.
If he as a government official engineered and carried out a pay to play scheme for foreign countries to gain influence over America while in his post and after were he to be elected president, I wouldn't vote for him.
If he was even suspected of being guilty of all these things, not just one but all these scandals taken together, I wouldn't vote for him. On top of all that if these things were things that Trump did, I'd vote for anyone else but him, even if that other person said things that could be somehow interpreted or were lewd or insulting.
Your question is like asking why would you vote for someone who may have said a few things when the alternative is someone who actually did horrendous things, including criminal acts no less than compromising our national security.
I think you need to rethink what the real issues of this election actually are, or maybe you aren't capable of rational thought at all.
Well there's your answer: An angry old man without any self-control, who is a pigeon playing chess when insulted. Classic.
Yeah, and you are the typical brainless liberal who when you can't deal with or even address the truth or a fact you attack the messenger, so transparent and devoid of intelligent reason.
Thanks ptosis! I can't answer Taze's essay in 250 characters But sadly Trump fans tend to cite unproven allegations or personal political prejudices agaiinst Clinton. The evidence against Trump on the other hand is clear, factual and undeniable.
Unproven?that's a lie & nothing Trump has ever done has affected the country or our national security at all, let alone to compare it to the horrendous things Hillary has done & even admits to having done.Nice copout btw"in 250 characters"
As far as 'unproven' is concerned, which criminal acts has Hillary been convicted of? As far as Trump damaging the country is concerned - well, it's just as well all other businesses don't concur with his opinion that tax avoidance makes him smart.
Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion.Until then do you mean to tell me he never committed a crime?Just because he wasn't convicted?Hillary's crimes are well documented,becauseBOis in her pocket doesn't mean she isn't guiltyof crimes
Ah 'well documented'. By who? The mainstream media? But you say you don't trust them?
And unproven. If the judgement isn't the one you want, then in your mind it must be wrong. Just as well we've moved on from the days of the lynch mobs isn't it?
Did I say documented by the main stream media? NO! Try the FBI, So u put words in my mouth & argue against that?Can't get more lame than that. How can anybodyy vote for HRC after watching this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvoRcPXURwg
Your source is Breitbart! - described by the NY Times as 'a curiosity of the fringe right wing', and a supporter of Trump's campaign. Not mainstream I agree, but reliably neutral??
At least 2 of those 3 womens' allegations are known to be v suspect.
An angry old man is much better than a conniving old woman that's been involved in controversy her whole life.
And I'm sorry what has hillary produced in her lifetime besides a conceited brat called chelsea? Squat, zippo and nada.
Gone I am.......
Suspect? Which 1s, the1 who Clinton paid $850,000 to settle, the 1 who reported the rape & bit lip to her associates when it happened or the 1 who detailed acts of intimidation meant to silence her when she 1st made her accusations?
The one who continued to support Bill for weeks after the alleged rape, and once stated that no sexual contact had occurred, before changing her story.
And the one whose relationship with Bill was described by Linda Tripp under oath as 'consensual'.
Raping a 13yo is a pretty big accusation, along with all the others Trump has been accused of: http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-t … l-assault/ WHY DO THESE NOT MATTER, and Bill's do? Hillary's 'offenses' R no less than Trumps
What are you lovely, deluded people going to do on January 20 when Hillary takes the wheel? I bet you'll really hate the balanced budget she'll give us. Try reading a book instead of Breitbart! I wish I knew what causes such warped thinking. Scary
GS, you have a reason for not saying who those are? Like what you are saying is false and you don't want to be checked on it? How about some proof.
Taze, YOU didn't give names either! We only have 250 characters to play with. You know that! They were Ms Broaddrick and Ms Willey. There IS no proof of innocence or guilt - just allegations. ON BOTH SIDES! I recognise that - you do not.
Pretty sure you need to amend that sexual assault line. And it's not Hillary being accused, it's Trump. Second, the pay to play issue is a wash when Trump bribes the Florida AG over Trump University. That's the definition of play to play.
So joc u equate lewd remarks,unsubstantiated groping with Billy's rape& sexual assaults that HRC covered for him?& how is Trump U in anyway like selling influence over our government to foreign countries, proven in her emails?
@Don't - First off, Billy's not running for President. And Trump's no different on the pay to play issue when he bribes the Florida Attorney General. Both candidates have that issue. It's like trust issue, Trump is just as grimy. No Difference.
U just repeated what you said originally,didn't respond to a thing I said.Don't you know anything but left wing talking points?That's all u r doing,no thought,no consideration of the differences between ur talking points&the facts.ZOMBIFIED
Taze, you can't have an argument without throwing insults. You're truly a troll. Twelve accusations tends to be a pattern. And Trump is a man who is going to trial for raping a 13 year old. There was an eye-witness. You support a child rapist.
Ustill haven't addressed my points,so u resort to name calling,talk about insults.U just go on&on about allegations that u know are not as serious as proven compromise of our country's security,HRC'streatment of woman victims,lies etc
Taze, and I quote, 'If his wife was accused of rape and/or sexual assault by dozens of women and he helped her cover it up I wouldn't vote for him.' It's not his wife, it's him.
One question, do you support accused child rapists or don't you?
So now you imply Trump was accused of rape and/or sexual assault by dozens of women and his wife helped him cover it up? You are wacked and you raise a straw man with your question Typical liberal BS. You need to learn how to debate.
What I said is that according to your own words, you'd not support him if his wife was accused. Well, it's not his wife, it's him being accused and yet you stand with him, even though one of the accusers is a 13-year old girl. That's truly pathetic.
What is pathetic is u've said nada to show me u don't equate lewd remarks,unsubstantiated groping w/Billy's rape& assaults that HRC covered for him orTrump is in any way riskingNS like HRC's influence peddling to foreigners 2ans my comment
Do I think Bill is guilty of rape, yes. Do I think Hillary covered, yes. Do I think Trump is a pedophile, yes. Covering for one's husband vs. being a child rapist. Those are our choices. Considering Hillary is the only non-rapist, only option.
U still haven't answered my comment. I didn't ask u those questions & "how is Trump U in anyway like selling influence over our government to foreign countries,proven in her emails?" Forget that 1?U still avoid answerng,talk about pathetic,
And why are you dodging the question about supporting a pedophile for the presidency? Trump, through his bribe has demonstrated that he would like use his position as president to further his own business interests. Same as Clinton has likely done.
Dodge?Ur question tells more about u than me.Without any sort of supporting evidence you go beyond putting stock in the sensational &belated claim of Trump himself participating in the rape of a young teenager and convict him a pedophile.
Considering there was enough evidence to warrant a trial and there is an EYEWITNESS to corroborate the incident, yeah, I've come to the same conclusion of his guilt as I did with regards to Bill Clinton's guilt.
It doesn't matter to Trump supporters if he had intercourse on T.V. for the world to see. They would still think he is better than Hillary, because they have been brainwashed for years by right wing propaganda and now Trump confirms their beliefs.
It doesn't matter to them that Hillary has been exonerated of all charges of Benghazi and email by the FBI, the DOJ and every congressional investigation she has been in. They think they are all corrupt. They can't handle facts. It doesn't matter if America is already great. It doesn't matter that there is 5% unemployment, that our national defense is the greatest in the world, that our economy is strong and 15 million new jobs have been created since Obama took office. It doesn't matter that our stock market is at an all time high. It doesn't matter that we are the world's hot bed of innovation and technology and institution of learning. None of that matters to Trump supporters, because they think Hillary has jeopardized our national security and killed four Americans and that her husband had an affair. She should be locked up and then put in front of a firing squad.
I ask Trump supporters this: If Hillary jeopardized our national security, where is the cataclysmic evidence of that taking place? If she did kill four people in Benghazi, (which she didn't) how does that compare to the thousands of people killed in Bushes war?
Trump wants to make America Great again. Stop your whining, it is already great with 95% of the people working. If you are in the 5%, then go get a job. If your skill set does not match what is available then go get retrained for jobs that are in demand.
America is already great and does not need a lying con man pervert who knows nothing about how to govern a country. What he does know is how to bullsh*t its people into thinking Hillary is evil and that he is going to Make America Great Again.
By the way he copied Reagan's slogan of Let's Make America Great Again. To all the Trump supporters out there, grow a pair and see this man for who he really is a divider and conqueror, not a person who unites. He divides and conquers by insults, slander, name calling and lying about his lies. He plays to your fantasies, not your reality. He has successfully divided the Republican party with his delusional grandeur and self aggrandizement. He is not a leader, but a destroyer for his own selfish gain and twisted ego. And you Trump supporters follow him like sheep and think that nothing could be worse than Hillary. Be careful of who you vote for, you might get him.
Absolutely agree Mike. They selectively highlight evidence against Clinton and paint it in the worst possible light. And if she is found to be innocent - even in an official inquiry - then it's a cover-up by the 'establishment' and a biased media.
Lol. "...a lying con man pervert... Delusional grandeur..." For a minute there, I thought you were talking about Bill Clinton. Take out the word "pervert," insert Hillary Clinton. The difference: She was an elected official with those characteristics
Actually savvydating, the difference is that Bill Clinton isn't contesting this election. Donald Trump is.
At least you don't call Hillary a pervert. I wonder why that allegation hasn't surfaced yet? There's still time
Yves.....I love you! LOL You GO, girl. Brilliant minds think alike.
No wonder the U.S. is going down the tubes.
You have no concept of the loss of freedoms, interference from government into your daily life.
Hillary will make it worse, not better.
Trumps a wild card.
Glad I move out of the U.S.
John...In some ways, I'm feeling envious of any of our fellow Americans who have moved "elsewhere." Of the few that I know personally, they R so comfortable, happy & loving their lives. I may soon B sorry I never considered it an option.
Well said! Three thumbs up. I can't wait until November 9. Honestly, this is wearing me out. Freaking me out. Messing up my enjoyment of my Cubbies in the NLCS! #FlyTheW
I am not a Trump supporter but like to know where you get all your great information. Where I live farmers have to leave their fields bare, lay off their workers because Washington rather dump the water in the ocean them give it to them.
Mike, and the rest, who still believe in Dem vs Rep... pro-anti Hillary... this isn't about that at all for the majority of voters anymore. The MAJORITY of Americans are sick of the lying/propaganda Media, the lying/corrupt Politicians... period.
Ken, you're right.
The veil over the corruption and biased media has been lifted.
Question is, what are Americans going to do about it.
I saw it clearly when bush bailed out the banks, last 8 years it has only gotten worse.
I don't like Trump and I hate Clinton too but I want to see Trump win just so you all have four years of tears. I have no skin in the game other than that. If it don't happen I get to watch conservatives cry so I still win seeing all you all cry.
He is the Republican nominee and far better for the conservative cause than Clinton, who would continue and extend Obama's failed policies, encroachment on our rights and the use of the administrative state over even bothering with Congress.
Let's turn it around: why isn't what Wikileaks is revealing and other scandals affecting Clinton's support?
Her stealing of the primary from Sanders.
Her 30,000 deleted emails referencing the use of the Clinton Foundation and over-priced speaking fees for Bill as a way to receive bribes from foreign governments and big multi-nationals. Half a billion dollars of corruption, and over half her meetings as Secretary of State were with these donors.
The FBI and DoJ letting the spouse of the subject of an investigation talk to the head of the DoJ, then they say yeah she violated all these laws but we won't prosecute, yeah other people are in jail for less, but we don't think she's to be punished. Then it comes out that the FBI allowed for destruction of computers related to the investigation and didn't record testimony so that no one else can do a subsequent investigation of one they were so clearly biased on.
Her defense of a child rapist she knew was guilty, her smearing of the 12 year old that she never apologized for and laughing about the victim.
What would it take for you to not vote for Clinton?
Good question Tamara! The answer first off would be she'd have to be a US citizen which she is not and which partially explains her complete ignorance of the real issues which she is loath to investigate or even try to get at the truth..
Genuine proof of serious criminal activity would be quite pivotal. But I've checked most of the allegations you make, and the way you express them indicates clear bias, distortion and inaccuracy. I could happily analyse each one in turn if you wish?
Please do analyze them, Greensleeves. But leave out your bias. Stick to facts.
FBI Data Dump Shows Clinton is Criminal and Clueless
Hillary is either dishonest or dumb—there is no third choice
http://observer.com/2016/09/fbi-data-du … -clueless/
OK savvy, but first Taze seems to have turned me into a female! OK - to get that right would have involved fact checking - not your strong point, so I forgive you Taze .
And there is no bias on my part savvy. I do stick to facts. I am objective.
Hi Green..If UR referring to DTMB's comment 4 comments above, it seems he was responding 2 "Tamara's" comment immediately above his reply ~ he says,"Good question" If he mistook U 4 female, it would be yet another of his knee-jerk reactions.
Tamara Wilhite: Observer.com is a fake news site. The link you provided is only the writer's opinion. Here is their about page: "Observer offers a sophisticated readership of metropolitan professionals an original take on the latest in news,"
Paula thanks. Being called 'she' isn't the worst thing I've been called! But maybe DTMB was referring to Hillary, saying SHE isn't a US citizen; maybe she was born in ... Kenya?
Mike, I think the 'unbiased' title of Tamara's link says it all
Sorry about your gender Greensleeves, just that your tiny pic looked quite effeminate, I should have looked closer, but your gender isn't really the issue here is it, Nice try to deflect from a loosing position.
Haha. I guess I'll have to go to the gym and build up my muscles Taze - otherwise I'll never be able to boast the way that Donald does. Or develop a similar sized ego. Glad you think you're winning. Donald thinks he is too
U r more interested in talking about yourself than the topics here rn't you.I watched the debate tonight,did you?HRC made the point Trump's lewd comments make him unfit.Guess Bill's treatment(not words)of women made him unfit? hypocrisy?
Getting back to your analysis. Still waiting, Green. Which point will you tackle first? Please provide a link or reference.
Taze; You are wrong about me. I watched the debate live - from 2.00 am to 3.30 am. As for Bill - HE ISN'T STANDING! Maybe he WAS unfit. Trump IS unfit. Please don't accuse me of hypocrisy.
sav, As you know, I can only reply to one post at a time!
What would it take for you to not vote for Clinton?
Proof. Proof of any one of the claims against her.
Agree totally Kathleen !
savvy, here's one link re-the 'stealing of the primaries'.
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-d … nt-rigged/
As you can see, it is not a 'fact', just an allegation by some (not all) in the Sanders camp.
Hey trumpsters, about the 30,000 emails. Another of your standard bearers "lost" 22 million emails.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/geor … 97373.html
Rupert Bush didn't admit to deleting anything, Hillary did and lied about what she deleted, this we know. So your point is because the RNC lost emails it's legal for Hillary to delete government emails that are not her property?
Greemsleeves....It makes sense that you get your news from a "progressive" socially liberal publication that was called out by the anti-defamation league. And there is reason why Debbie Wasserman Schultz had to step down as the DNC Chairwoman.
Actually savvy I get FACTS from neutral media like the BBC.
Do you not understand the underlying point I'm making? You don't believe anything a neutral or liberal site says, but accept without question what conservative media broadcast as fact!
Actually, BBC is as left leaning as any news media outlet on the radio or TV..
BBC is inclined to support leftist candidates in any country they cover.
Just like NPR, it does not give you an unbiased report of any news.
That is ridiculous John. The BBC gets roughly equal complaints of bias from both right and left in the UK - both accuse it of bias! Their charter requires as much neutrality as possible, giving equal say to both sides in any political controversy
It is obvious by now that you GS are seriously left leaning, you use all the liberal tactics known used to avoid the facts and the truth, and can never admit when you are proven wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC
On the other hand Taze - https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourbeeb/t … hment-bias
Re-the 'obviousness of my being seriously left leaning', can I make this clear? - I AM A CONSERVATIVE SUPPORTER!!!
Obama did the same thing that Bush did for the same reasons: bcuz he was working with a congress in opposition to him. There is a reason Obama was voted in TWICE. Trump LIED (shocker) about Hillary laughing at that girl: http://tinyurl.com/HillTruth
I agree totally about the girl, Catherine. The 'laugh' has been totally misrepresented and was not directed at the girl, or the verdict. And Hillary did not volunteer for the case - she was apppointed AGAINST her wishes to defend the man.
Greensleeves. You are making assumptions about me without knowing me. In fact, even though PBS leans left, they are my major news source. To their credit, they sometimes try to give opposing views. I use my critical thinking skills to weigh all info.
Savvy,just more liberal tactics by GS. No respect for facts&when the facts disagree with him instead of admitting he's wrong he changes the subject by depicting the media reporting the facts as a problem.Lame&transparent liberal tactics
OK savvy, if that's the case, that is good to hear.
But Tamara's one quoted source was certainly not objective, and bear in mind in our exchanges, it was you who first accused me of bias, and of getting my news from a socially liberal publication.
I am also concerned about the media not reporting left wing violence on the right or blaming the right if they do report it. This silence enables fascism.
Unfiltered Violence From Hillary Clinton's Crowds
Green...It wasn't an accusation re: the liberal publication you cited, and your comments are very biased. You are European and as such, you see from a different lens. What surprises me is Americans who refuse to see Hillary's corruption.
LOL, all of the deluded, crazed GOP talking points in one place. Well done!
No offense, Terri, but I've seen your bio...
Oh savvy if only you'd not called me biased in your previous post I could have let it go. My only biases are proof over allegation, truth over supposition, neutral news outlets over partisan outlets, and video or audio evidence over reported hearsay.
GS, I can't stop laughing at what you just said. You who cites the NYTimes as some kind of arbitrator of what is a liberal media. Only an uninformed European would cite the ultra liberal NY times as not being left wing or a judge of such.
Green, some of us have practically grown up with Hillary. We know every single awful thing she has ever done. We know that a liberal professor set out to prove that all news is balanced. To his shock, he found that 97% of news is biased to the left.
Can I make this clear ONE MORE TIME Taze. I'm NOT saying you should believe the NY Times as Gospel. I am saying your evidence is NOT PROVEN. I've never said they are definitely innocent of your charges - you should not say they are definitely guilty.
GS it's obvious in all your comments u are not thinking for yourself to vet Hillary,u constantly repeat she isn't convicted by agencies that are in her & BO's pocket but anyone with common sense &objective mind knows what she is guilty of
Taze I've lost patience now. I just don't have time to keep trying to get through to you the difference between allegation and proof. You won't ever understand, and you accused me yet again of bias. Change tack or I'll have to start deleting. Sorry.
I think an opponent would have to be convicted of a heinous crime before Hillary would become the lesser of two evils.
Since Hillary hasn't yet to the best of my knowledge been convicted of any crime - much less a heinous one - I think you are being a bit harsh
The court of public opinion already has her drawn and quartered - it's really that matters at this point
Ralph: Then why is she leading in all the polls?
Mike Russo, she is leading in the polls because they are rigged...I never listened to the polls because I know this. the debates are also rigged, buts that's another post.
Alan (jonnycomelately) Sorry dear, didn't mean 2 slight U I was busy giving Charm school 101 lessons 2 a guy who insists on drawing blood from anyone who disagrees w/ his magnificent opinions. He's all over the place spewing his sweetness. DUCK!
Clayton Hartford; Ah so that's the reason is it? The polls are rigged, so are the debates. And the mainstream media? And no doubt the election? And also the Republican-led Benghazi inquiry? Is anything NOT rigged in Clinton's favour in your view?
Greensleeves, look at the moderators of the debates, they are liberals from liberal "news channels"s, they directly attack conservatives with their questions.voter fraud, widely known democratic tactic, dead people voting really?
OK, so that's another group you think are biased against Mr Trump - the moderators! And an increasing number of senior Republicans also seem to be biased against him. Its beginning to look like the whole world - except Russia - has a liberal bias!
I might consider not voting for him if Hilary were to drop out at the DNP got a real candidate. She has committed so many crimes she should be in prison for life.
Clayton: How many times does it have to be documented that she has never been convicted of any crime for people to stop saying she has? It is this kind of thing that makes me more concerned about this faction than about who wins this election.
If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and continually is investigated for being a duck - I'd say it's a duck.
Sure ain't the leftist media digging up the muck on hillary.
Just like cheating by the DNC, the media finds no fault in hillary.
Committed a crime not convicted......so by what you are saying, you can murder someone and that's ok as long as you aren't convicted? I'd beg to differ and so would the Bengazzi families. when you comit a crime it's a crime.
Kathleen, I suppose you'd be one to call these women bimbos, whores and trailer trash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvoRcPXURwg
John, you know what you're saying is not true. Of course the media finds (honest) fault with Hillary.
Clayton, the ambassador's family (among others) does NOT blame her.
Taze, that's getting a bit nasty, and utterly unjustified by the evidence.
Nasty? You have an odd idea of what nasty is, what Hillary does to women is beyond nasty and anyone who supports her while condemning Trump whose lewd talk doesn't even approach what Hillary has done is beyond nasty, they're disgusting.
The evidence of at least two of those women is hotly disputed, and so are many other allegations. We can discuss that, but you are going too far. I trust you are not calling anyone writing here 'disgusting' for their opinion? If you are, stop now!
Even the Wall Street Journal is disgusted with the bias in the mass media.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-1 … ntons-sins
The best propaganda machine is in the U.S.
GS evidence of at least 2???AgainShowMe that evidence I'll show u this:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government … y-clinton/ Were u an American in the '90's you'd know
Again Taze I GAVE evidence - you asked for it in another thread below. But here's a summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clin … llegations
All a bit 'old hat', given the claims about Trump who is actually standing today!
From people who worked under hillary - not a pretty site.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-1 … ry-clinton
I would change my mind if the democrats would ever change their philosophy from socialism to enhancing my freedoms.
Researching for a Hub, I discovered that in 2015 alone, without approval from any elected official, agencies have enacted over 3,000 new rules/regulations. 2,000 more are "in process".
How can you possibly think the government is in any way "enhancing" your freedoms?
Is the GOP, in regards to this, any better? Absolutely not.
But, at least in the rhetoric of the GOP, they "talk" about limiting the government. (Then, they get into office and proceed to lie to get more of my freedoms taken away)
In the past, the GOP at least tried to convince their supporters they were for freedom and less government.
And this is why Trump has succeeded in crushing the "chosen" ones that the elite in the GOP put forth as viable candidates - people who love freedom and embrace capitalism know that the elite in the GOP are no different than the elite in the democratic party.
Both have proven they want more power in government and less freedoms for the citizens of the country.
In "economic freedom" we were at one time number 1, now number 11
"Happiness index" we are number 13
Education we rank 5th.
We're number one in people incarcerated. (Even Russia and China have a smaller incarcerated population!)
So, if the democrats actually start expressing views of giving me back freedoms and stop pandering to special interest groups, I might be willing to change my views.
The same goes for the GOP.
This is not about how "great" Trump is as a person or leader, it's about how bad everything else looks. At least Trump is talking about ending the idiotic ways of D.C., while hillary is talking about adding more of the same.
You talk about conservatives being "blind". Your views of hillary, obama, bill could be talked about too, as far as blindness goes for transgressions and lies.
America was founded on the concept of "inalienable" rights for it's citizens. The right to speak ones individual thoughts and ideas.
The right to have privacy from government eyes and ears.
The right to do conduct business without monumental interference from government.
The right to own a gun, in case the government turns tyrannical (Are we there yet?) and we need to replace the corrupt politicians
These are being taken away by new regulations - 3,000+ per year.
What would it take to change my views? Offer me less government and give me my freedoms back.
What have you ever wanted to do, but were unable to because of government regulations? What freedoms have you lost? Just curious.
T R Renee,
I looked at your bio - close to 48, & you see no loss of freedoms in the U.S.?
1 - my privacy. NSA gathers info on every American.
2 - I don't like wearing a seatbelt
3 - I want to smoke weed
2 & 3 I'm a criminal
As an outsider. Sorry, but your democratic party isn't socialist... Compared to many European countries the democrats in the US are more centre, market oriented to right centre instead of left (socialist).
Sam.as an outsider u don't realize that to become a socialist party the democrats have to disguise that they r directly involved with the"Shadow Party" &the other Socialists/Communists wishing to destroy our Constitution & way of life.
And some of us see the "beauty" of Europe.
Personally, I'd rather not have America go down that road.
I cannot see how anyone lives under the conditions that Brussels makes you endure. What a convoluted mockery of "government".
Neither of the candidates have a sterling reputation, so why don't you judge who to vote for by their stances on the issues? What a concept!
The people who are for Hillary have NO room to talk about how lewd and crude Donald is. Better lewd and crude than to be a liar, thief and unapologetic murderer, who has been repeatedly fired for corruption and lack of moral integrity.
Anyone that would even consider voting for a criminal like Hillary needs to seriously consider what else she could possibly do to convince them to vote for Trump. I can't think of anything that she has not done.....oh, she has not been secretly recorded speaking crudely about men. But she has been overheard cussing out the secret service men and she has been heard calling mentally challenged kids "retards."
I've tried to fact check your allegations, and it seems most / all are just that - unproven allegations. When will people appreciate the difference between proof and allegations? Understand, I am NOT defending Hillary - I am defending truth and fact.
Greensleeves. how interesting that quote , When will people appreciate the difference between truth and allegations ?"You sir are much like this left that see's one avenue of truth ,one road to allegations, welcome to the cool aid drinkers society
But there is only one truth Eddie. And it is no respecter of left or right. If the evidence favours one side - left or right - I'll favour the evidence. But I would only call it 'truth', if the evidence is proven. Not sure it is in Tracey's examples.
Eddie,nice to see 1 Brit socking it to another,the"truth"is GS has an obsession with conservatives as his question reveals.Trump isn't even one & no conservatives are voting for DT, if they are voting it's against Crooked Hillary.
Eddie is a Brit? Taze, it's self-evident where obsession lies here. My question shows my concern is with Mr Trump - given that the majority voting for him will surely be 'conservative' - not 'liberal' - that's who I directed the question at. Simple.
Whoops,when will I learn I need my glasses on?I missed"New"inNew England,same reason thought ur tiny pic was a woman.Other than my vision however I am perfect If u understood conservatism u'd know they rn't voting for DT but against HRC
I honestly often wonder the same thing about Clinton supporters.
He's a challenge for the fake US politics game.
He's vulgar, stupid and more, but I guess people just want the games to end for once, before the entire US crumbles in piles of debt, bankster holdups, military involvement, migration problems. Also funny he gets attacked for vulgar sexual talk and sexual assault allegations from the democratic, hypocrytical sex scandal side. Ok, if Obama attacks trump for it, but sorry Hillary just can't... She doesn't care, it's just her chance for an easy win. The media will not let Trump win, so she'll make it, don't worry about that.
He should not be there, but it seems he's the only challenge for the fake economic recovery build by enormous debt and your children and grandchildren's possible poverty. He's not the solution, he's just the first wake up call. I hope not your last . I hope you get someone decent next time.
So I can understand why so many people say enough, anti-clinton-bank-establishment-vote. (European here) I wouldn't vote for him, but I would just skip the election.
Sam, closest thing to spot on I've read on here.
The MAJORITY of Americans are sick of the lying/propaganda Media, sick of the lying/corrupt Politicians and sick of being able to do nothing about it.
Trump offered them an alternative they will take.
Good insight, Sam.
We do have a divide - one that the U.S. may never recover from.
Remember, Hitler was elected, so was Chavez in Venezuela.
People can choose to have a noose put around their necks, but most don't realize what they've asked for.
There may be nothing he could do that would make me not vote for him. I'm not voting so much for Trump as against Hillary. Ted Cruz was my candidate. I must say that I adore Trump's determination to never give up. I get the feeling most of our political clowns have to take an opinion poll to choose a tie to wear in the morning. That Trump can chart a course from which he doesn't waver is unbelievably refreshing.
I guess it's part of Trump's appeal for many that he doesn't conform to the standard patterns of politcal behaviour, though I understand he has had to temper some of his ideas and backtrack on some of what he's said, after provoking controversy.
He'd have to lower himself below Hillary, and that is an impossible feat. People mysteriously die around the Clintons. Bill assaults women. The take payments from foreign governments. The let our men die overseas with inaction. No, Trump has a loooong way before he's be even close to Hillary's level of scumbagarry.
That's about it in a nutshell, you can't explain Hillary's faults in one 250 character post. That what hubs are for.
NC, your comments are WAY over the top. Nothing but carelessness has been proven against her, so do not imply murder. Clayton, you certainly can't explain in 250 characters the level of bewilderment worldwide at the ridiculousness of DT's candidacy.
He'll do it if he hasn't done it already. He's the Republican version of Bill Clinton.
I don't think it would be possible to be worse than Hillary. She's a traitor, liar and a thief, willing to sell America out on the cheap. Her and her fellow radical leftists should be imprisoned for crimes against the Constitution and society.
So to answer the question, Trump would have to top Hillary's treason and that's a tall order!
So not only Clinton but all 'radical leftists' should be imprisoned? There's tolerance for different viewpoints.
I find it comical that the right skews Hillary for using a private server, but turned a blind eye to Bush using a private server through the RNC and deleting way more e-mails than Hillary ever did.
I don't think so... because it really isn't about him or his past with women or his vulgar words or his self-centered egotistic bombastic personality.
Its about where we know for sure we are headed if Clinton gets elected.
Obamacare will fail during her Administration and Clinton will implement a one payer system... I expect they will start at least a 15% Healthcare tax. I suggest you start re-adjusting you budgets accordingly, its coming before her first term is over.
The Sunni - Shiite Proxy War, between Saudi Arabia and Iran which is being waged all throughout the Middle East. Under Clinton we will become heavily involved in this conflict, not only has Saudi Arabia paid the Clintons hundreds of millions of dollars over the years, but they have invested trillions into America. Russia and China, will also be involved in this conflict, taking the side of Iran, we are about to become heavily involved there... again.
And then there are the Supreme Court nominations... which will impact many things, they eventually will be approved, and that will shift the court out of balance, and it will become a court that interprets the Constitution in new ways... and supports the President (Clinton) as she uses Executive Orders and other means to bypass Congress to get her agendas accomplished.
I expect some very tumultuous weather ahead.
With Trump who knows what we would get... but we likely wouldn't get a National/Federal/Social healthcare system that the working stiffs will have to carry for the whole country... we wouldn't get WWIII because Trump is not beholden to Saudi Arabia and could care less about the Sunni Shiite conflict... and we wouldn't get a Supreme Court bent on rewriting the Constitution as they see fit.
Thanks Ken, tho' I disagree strongly. I think this IS exactly about Trump. Evidence suggests an arrogant and bigoted egotist who lies blatantly, simplistic, hugely divisive policies & total lack of experience - all extremely dangerous in a presid
That's just it, as bad as he is, he is a better alternative to all that I stated above, that will occur without doubt. In this case the known seems worse to me than the unknown. Its not about personality its about what will occur that matters.
Well, to conservative Christians, Trump is the least of all evils. Given all revelations about HRC, especially reopening FBI investigation into HRC private email server, now it is coupled with criminal investigation into sexual luring of minors.
W C Fields once said "I never vote for anyone - I always vote against". This seems to be the general attitude of many American voters; it doesn't matter how awful a candidate is - he or she will get your vote if the opposition candidate is perceived as being worse.
This is hardly surprising given the 90% negativity of both presidential campaigns.
Sadly it's true. It shouldn't be so - moral character negativities ought be so minor, they could almost be ignored. More positive qualities such as ability, experience and of course policy, would then be decisive. Now that would be a novelty!
Answer ; Accept a donation from the Clinton Foundation .
At this point, only if another candidate would pop up. Hillary has a price tag, and if elected president, the office of President would be for sale as well. She sold us out as Secretary of Defense.
I was hit really bad in the "great recession" which should be called the "great financial fraud." Her connections are deep.
I've also been able to see the tremendous bias in the news. I always knew it existed, but not to this extend.
The violence at Trump rallies were paid for by Clinton camp. The great divide is propelled by Clinton camp, etc. etc.
I am a democrat (limited choice), but Trump would have to withdraw from the race before I'd consider not voting for him. My vote is against Hillary more so than for Trump.
Do you mean Democrat? Or just democratic? Sad you feel that way if you are indeed a Democrat. The point about losing financially may well be a valid argument, but the rest I feel is less about genuine proven fact and more about conspiracy beliefs.
When was she Secretary of Defense? I wasn't aware of that one.
Diane, I think we live in an alternate reality from TLStahling. In our reality she was Secretary of State. PS The violence at Trump rallies was either incited by Trump himself or was simply childish bickering and bullying among Trump supporters.
As a modern Republican, while I do not agree with the many sexist and racist comments he makes, I can still say I support Donald Trump because of his Republican ideals. Yes he made degrading comments, but we are not debating over who has the better morals, rather who will make the best decisions for the future of our country.
I keep waiting for a Trump supporter to explain how they can support a man who is going to trial in a civil suit for raping a 13-year old girl. A trial where there was enough evidence and an eyewitness account of the action.
Really?A belated trial coordinated by a former Jerry Springer TV show producer who has been associated with a range of disputed claims involving celebrities.“Jane Doe”also attempted to sell a video describing her allegations for 1MM$. Scam
Well, if all accusations are true, then Donald Trump is a rapist.
Accusations? SHe tried to sell a video of her giving her accusations for $1million, no takers - if there was any truth to it $1million is nothing for the HRC camp to pay. She cancelled her press conference today - she can't give it away!
The fact that she was represented by the daughter of Gloria Allred at the news conference should tell you the credibility of the complaint. And the news conference was cancelled due to death threats. Not that that is shocking from Trump supporters.
Death threats?Really?Sounds to me like she's been put up to this &got cold feet at the last minute.You can't tell me she doesn't expect to get death threats.She wanted $!million for this,now she's giving it away?That doesn't make any sense
If your Guardian and Jezebel sources can prove that she was shopping that video and not that slimeball Lubow, I'd be impressed. Like I said, her actual representation in the legal case is legit.
Joc you need to learn to think for yourself instead of believing anything you read that you wish to agree with.The statute of limitations has past on the charges against Trump, suit would not have been allowed were Trump not the P candidate
And Taze, you need a basic lesson on the difference between a civil and criminal proceeding.
Taze you could not possibly be more wrong on the SOL. You show a little knowledge about a technical matter is dangerous.
Thanks Eric,u are right, I was wrong about the SOL because I was not aware that it was different in different states (mine has one) which really seems strange that it can vary so much from state to state.Still doesn't make this case legit.
Trump hasn't done anything wrong other than make himself look a little foolish. In the real world men talk like men and the ones who claim they don't are gay or liars. The fact is any woman who was offended by that comment he made is secretly hoping some guy would notice them in that way and they probably pray at night that they should get so lucky. And, why? Because we are all just human not men vs women. Take your sex war elsewhere!
I nearly deleted this comment by Mr McNabb, but I think everyone should see exactly the kind of idiocy which was responsible for this question in the first place. I know it's not typical of most conservatives - God help us if it ever became so.
Interesting. I have been in locker rooms with all males since about 1970. Junior High to College and Grad school -- then in fancy and no so fancy gyms and spas. And I have done way too much hanging out in bars. I never talked that way. Have you?
Greensleeves....LOL...LOL....scuse me please. I'm laughing too hard to comment logically! You're so cute. I have a sneaking suspicion you're planning on moving to the USA? LOL I'll fetch you from the Airport!
But most my buddies have talked that way. I apologize to the mothers for them.
Thanks Eric, Paula. I kinda feel Mr McNabb (I try to be polite) managed to offend both sexes in that comment Apparently men have to be gay or lying if they say they don't talk like that, whilst women apparently dream of being seduced like that!!
Hey buddy all I am saying is you are a liar and so are all these other morons. That's all. It's not my fault you want to pretend that men and women don't talk like pigs. The fact is they do.
Dear Michael - very nice of you to confirm my first impressions about you.
That is very interesting. I have not seen fit in my adult life to call someone a liar. You put the facts out there and say "I think they are a liar" if need be. But if you need to say it - you got issues just like talking sex abuse.
Green...Enough...I'm off to bed. I shall have lovely dreams of being poked & prodded, yanked & grabbed....I can hardly wait. You have an "OINK" of a day my sweet swine, Love, Petunia Pig
Paula, sweet dreams - but try not to let Donald Trump enter into them
Shucks, no dreams of DT! Instead I dreamt of Ted Bundy, a caring, gentle soul who gave women the status of "Angel." BTW, he tells me, in his next life, he's running for POTUS. What a country!
Paula haha! He'd probably have a chance too if he was running against Hillary! After all, I don't think he was part of the establishment, and he was never accused of corruption
I was just thinking of Eisenhower and T. Roosevelt and G. Washington and Austin and Grant. Seems to me they were responsible for a whole lot of slaughter before they were elected. I know-totally different from Bundy but If against those wars?
In all honesty, it may be sad but very true. Ted Bundy would have a chance of winning over HRC. It certainly seems that way. That may say something about the USA we wouldn't like to hear. Well, We're not all that loved to begin with, are we...
No superpower is ever loved I guess - same as our old Empire I've always trusted and liked the U.S, thinking of you as close cousins. But in recent years I have sadly become aware of some big, slightly worrying differences in our ways of thinking.
Back in eight grade I won the election for class president. I have never been so hated and so loved in my life since. Then I was an American in France. Well they did not love me at all. Carter's reign. But I was loved in Vietnam. Go figure.
As a married woman whose sex life is great, Trump's comments offended me. That makes your statement false. Overgrown boys may talk like that. Men have respect.
Nothing. he should continue to be himself. I don't want anyone to change to get my vote.
For me to not support Trump, he would need to e worse and have dobe worse than Hillary. However, having followed the election closely, I will support Trump.
I was not a supporter of his at the beginning, but seeing what Hillary has done, and what she is involved with, and Trump being fairly clean, I began to support him. He is the best choice out of the two.
Yes, all this will come to an end tomorrow.... And yes it's time to make your decision. A decision that will affect not only you but your loved ones... America, is not the America we knew. The America where dreams are made, and have the possibility of coming to fruition. It's disturbing that any true American could consider voting for someone like Hillary Clinton, a woman that has bad judgment, lies. and literally thinks herself above the law. No matter what you tell yourself or any excuse you make for Hillary, at the end you are not using common sense. Please opt for change, please consider helping blow the lid off of Washington. It's time, and I hope you will help Make America Great Again.... Vote Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8
Change is not the same as progress. To elect DT would be a disaster. The man is morally awful, hideously divisive, without any evidence of ability or credible policy. It's shocking so many consider voting for him. There is NO common sense in that.
We raised two children and put them through college, they are both professionals, my son owns a software company. It was good at one time One could reach the American dream. Now not so much. I have no hope for my grandchildren.
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