Below is a link to an article written by Trump's author for Art of the Deal. It explains why Trump's behavior today was formed in his childhood and continues today. It is very revealing and explains the rational that drives his behavior.
http://wapo.st/2pU2yRl?tid=ss_tw&ut … 8890f07e97
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Mostly true. When the person is the President of the United States, people talk a lot whether that person is a Republican or Democrat. It is both a need and a right.
You certainly have the right to focus on the individual and not the policies and ideas. It is a free country.
The battle for the individual rights of women is one of long standing and none of us should countenance anything which undermines it.
You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful – I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p**sy. You can do anything.
Anyone who thinks, must think of the next war as they would of suicide.
Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?
Aren't quotes fun!
I didn't vote for Trump because of his comments on women. As a woman, I accept that I am a minority and I don't use my minority status and how my particular minority will benefit the election of any particular candidate as a litmus test for voting one way or the other. I look at the major issues, how I think the candidate will approach them and I vote for the person I think will do the best for the country as a whole, not my particular minority. That said, I think you will see why I could care less about those types of quotes.
As to the other, context would help.
My point for the quote was easy to understand if you really, really try. Your point has nothing to do with mine.
I don't care why you voted for Trump. My point is that if you put a sexist, racist, politically ignorant person in the White House, you will get sexist, racist, politically ignorant policies.
You did, and we have.
So I disagree with you (and Eleanor Roosevelt). When it comes to the office of the president, the individual absolutely does matter.
Could you share the sexist and racist policy decisions which have been made?
We've got to stop expecting liberals to explain their fantasy formulated obstructions against Trump . We're getting no-where with that . Their just sore losers and not letting go of the Queen Hilary coronation .
And we've got to stop asking right-wingers to explain why they support a narcissistic man-baby with poor impulse control who loves to grab pussies, it's like talking to a brick wall
ahorseback: When people like you can't contribute anything meaningful, they always point to Hillary and Obama. I don't like Trump as a person. It has nothing to do with Hillary losing the vote. The sore loser thing is right wing propaganda. Say it enough times and you will actually believe it.
The fact that you "don't like trump as a person "....speaks for the entire arsenal of so many of the lefts deep intellectual ability to recognise true leadership qualities , too bad the kum-ba - ya effect can't transfer from a face book page to a history book page , Not a thread of evidence of wrongdoing by Trump to criminal charges so we'll all just have to decide whether we are to "like" or "unlike" a nations leader.
Kind of a politically shallow way of vetting any candidate over their in lib-land.
they don't like him as a person. That's the gist of it, and the sad part of it is they can't see how incredibly shallow that makes the arguments. It is the same as when Obama was in office. Much of the rancor from the right was against him, personally.
Until any of those on either side are willing to look into themselves and understand how much damage they do to the country with this inane chatter we will be wallowing in their disdain of the reality that the person they didn't vote for got voted in. I wonder how much we could accomplish as a country if, across the board, we the people would simply grow up.
Well THAT'S it ! but No one that I know of however , ever commented or voted accordingly on Obama's hair color , no one that I know ever said , "I don't like him so I'm not voting for him .", No one that I know ever said Obama's wife" can't speak english well enough so sounds stupid ",I don't think I've ever seen a conservative burn police cars , kill cops and break store fronts of Koreans laundry's to protest immigration policy , We vetted Obama's record and experience . Liberals today are obstructing ANY POLITICAL progress because of hair color , clothing lines , golf course's and international corporate involvements , and whether or not Trump 'talks' to Russians .
There are some big differences between us. Too big ? We'll see .
I believe that's true of some people. Others including myself are concerned about the allegations of Russian collusion and obstruction of justice.
ahorseback: What democrat do you really like as a person and why do you like them?
We don't have to decide anything about Trump. But Rod Rosenstien, the Deputy Attorney General does, so does the House Congressional Oversight committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the FBI.
Speaking of the FBI, you can bet your bottom dollar, he will try to appoint someone to head the FBI, that he can control. That's his style of leadership: control, by coercing, lying, exaggerating, deflecting, diverting, distracting, and dividing, and conquering.
Are you so enchanted by this guy, that you don't even hear and see how he acts and what he says when he talks, or is it just you are in denial with wishful thinking? As I said before, you and the forgotten ones are in the minority when it comes to Trump's popularity as it continues its downward spiral. Let the investigations speak for themselves.
"That's his style of leadership: control, by coercing, lying, exaggerating, deflecting, diverting, distracting, and dividing, and conquering. "
Whoa here! Are you trying to make him a member of the Democratic party?
Wilderness: Nice Try. I can give you prime examples of all of those things, but as Trump says, "you know, I know, and everybody all ready knows, believe me." (That passage of words just make me cringe when I hear them.)
To ahorseback. I left out the most important investigation and that is the Independent Special Council headed by Robert Muller...standby and rig for depth charges!
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
* https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/c … mpany.html
Now, it turns out "WikiLeaks cable Robert Mueller delivering highly enriched stolen Uranium to Russia in 2009
It looks like everyone has been in bed with Russia except President Trump. What the heck is going on...it gets crazier everyday. Exposure, kind of like a public indictment of Robert Mueller. Are we the people suppose to trust him?
I hope everyone has noticed that Don cannot back up his accusation with any fact. One does wonder if he understands the definition of 'ignorant person'.
Just out of curiosity, did you vote for Trump? Do you believe the quality of a person's character is necessary to successfully serve the Presidency?
I was more anti Hillary than pro Trump. Although I am fed up with Washington I would have supported Kasich had he won the nomination. I found him to be sincere and decent. I might have supported Bernie had he won the Democratic nomination and Trump had won the Republican. Not because of his policies (I didn't think Bernie had a snowball's chance of getting much of it done) but his honesty and sincerity were endearing.
And, no, I don't think quality of character is necessary. The best people don't run for president probably because of the cut throat negativity that is unleashed against them and every member of their family and the decent people who do run (Bernie and Kasich) get little traction in that environment (Kasich) because during the primaries it is more about the show than substance or get screwed by their party (Bernie) for being honest and sincere because that isn't what politics are all about.
So, the ones we do get to choose from are rarely those with the most character. Think of it this way. Had Kennedy run in this environment, with all of his philandering, would you have supported him? Do you think he was a good president? Look at Carter. With all of his good character, was he (in your opinion) a good president?
So said all of the Obama haters. And they believed they had a valid point just as much as you do.
So who isn't a product of their childhood , I don't know if its a form of sub- intellectual jealousy , the extroversion of professional envy ,simply celebrity jealousy or what . but anyone that's been around for a longer period of time in life and perhaps had a few or many different employers and bosses knows full well that the critiquing and downright hatred of Trumps leadership style ,his personality and brilliance in business success ' Is but one thing - nothing but a pure immature ,sophomoric envy of greatness.
I don't really like Trump' personality , his image , or his way of speaking but - a here are just a few of his victories :
Trump completely outwitted the RNC but especially the DNC , in 2016 , congressional leaders of both parties , the entire mainstream media , the vast campaigning power of the incumbent though apparently not so bright Pres. Obama and all his elitist political manipulation ALL of hollywood's brightest and most outspoken activist's , Trump even completely outwitted and out meneuvered the entire brilliance of the Clinton Foundation dollars and apparently totally above the law - corruption machine . For god sakes he even outwitted Bill Clinton , Mr Charisma .
But keep bashing Trump liberals as you have in the first one hundred days , in the meantime you can also ignore the almost record book, improving of the economy , the de-politization and saving of the supreme court and return to constitutional law , the saving of your precious though failing AHC act , the return to a respect ofthe US by foreign powers , the improved and , for once , actually acknowledged war on terrorism , the firings and de-politicizing of the federal levels of the DOJ , FBI , ATF , CIA , IRS , Border Patrol , lowering of illegal immigrations , Already Trumps accomplishments are many and extensive yet the blindness of the left is so selective .
ahorseback: In your first paragraph, if that is greatness, then I don't want anything to do with it.
In your third paragraph, everything you stated rings true with the article. Trump sees everything as a contest that he has to win. If he doesn't then he is obliterated. His victories are based on dividing and conquering, not unifying and leading.
In your last paragraph, What do you mean de-polarization of the Supreme Court? It is more polarized now than it has been for years and will continue to be for years to come. What do you mean de-politicizing of the federal agencies? They are more political than they have been for years. You are using buzz-words that are meaningless.
First , No , what democrats want in leadership is Alinsky -Chomsky style divide and conquer and amount to nothing as to progress , like Obama did . Like Clinton would have ,
- Increase the national debt by two or three
- Provide more economic entitlements for the lazy man paid for by the working man
- The continued liberalization of the DOJ and soft on crime law enforcement .
- Politicize the top depts. of government to favor liberal ideology;
meaning the DOJ , The high courts , the FBI on and on
Two "Dividing and conquering "? Seriously Peoplepower , And Obama didn't perform this " dividing and conquering " of America ? And that isn't the mantra of the Clintons ? Where have you been for thirty years ?
Three , Trump has balanced the supreme court with his choice and will continue to do so , All liberals ever want is to control the courts by making them COMPLETELY liberal. I don't think I've ever even heard a liberal leader even say the word balance , by the way , I meant de-politicize the courts BY balancing the ideologies and not having a liberal majority .
Perhaps you can answer seriously a question for me ; Why are liberals sooooo hyper- obstructionist against Trump considering that he IS a Washington outsider , NOT an establishment political "leader " . His proposed policies would attempt to untangle the mess of the federal government across the board. I mean Haven't American both dems and republican Voters been calling for an outsider for decades ?
No one here has answered THAT question for me . Care to try ?
What is really frightening about the linked article is that it's NOT an article written by a commentator who has never met Trump. It's written by someone who has worked with him:
"Three decades ago, I spent nearly a year hanging around Trump to write his first book, “The Art of the Deal,” and got to know him very well. I spent hundreds of hours listening to him, watching him in action and interviewing him about his life."
Ït's frightening. And I bet Ahorseback didn't even read the article.
Actually Marisa , I did , and so what ? I do find it all so ironic that so many people seem ,one one hand ,intrigued by Trumps iconic business style AND also surprised that so many people actually seem divorced from any recognition of what it takes to BE A successful leader , a productive dictator is definately part of the best business leaders , I have worked for people like Trump , explosive tempers , a decisive anal approach to the ," follow my exact orders " style of leading , The truest form of true leadership is to actually have people tip -toeing around you in a highly loyal ,productive fashion, ..........One would think that liberals never worked a layman's job position ? Where productivity has to often be driven , forced , and yes even disliked .
This writer obviously has a literary axe to grind , What's the matter , Trump "jew " him out of too much book deal profit ? Did the book deal not reach a platinum sales level ? I am always leary of critics of another in life , Why ? Because more often than not , after learning of a pending meeting where " You won't like so and so because he's a ......................" I always found that it is the greater critics in life who are the least tolerant of others .
The author ? Perhaps anything to make a name for himself , God knows there are enough unemployed writers .
That's a very old-fashioned view of what it takes to be successful in business. Leaders like that can be successful, but they can also drive their businesses into the ground - because people are too scared to tell them when they've made a bad decision.
And yes, I knew you would try to say the guy must have an axe to grind. You always have an excuse for everything. By the way, I find your use of the word "jew" to be highly offensive to my Jewish friends, but then I expect you'd love to see them all carted off to the gas chamber. it would be consistent with the rest of your philosophy.
Oh please ! ......."Highly offensive ", I too have cherished Jewish friends and they too use the term . Maybe part of today's larger political climate is that we are all too easily offended ? That's why I used "parenthathies " Marisa , It is a term many , many use and understand .
Maybe in America. Not in other parts of the world
Marisa , respectfully , I grew up in a small town in new England , working , playing and sharing and even inter-marrying in a life among Orthodox Jewish people who came here in the summer by the thousands as an escape from the cess -pools of traffic , crime and crowds in New York City and New Jersey , I know how they speak , act and interact with others . I can tell you this for sure , They are not as easily "offended " by common terminology as many in these political forums are today ,perhaps and especially those on the left.
Thirty years ago is a long time. None of us are who we were thirty years ago. I'm not certain an arm chair psychiatrist with, as you said, 'an axe to grind' warrants a great deal of attention.
People - I disagree that Trump saw this position, the Presidency, as a contest that he had to win.
Early on, I thought he was just toying with the idea, toying with D.C., but over time, after watching him in multiple interviews with multiple people, I began to see another side of him. No longer just saw his business persona or his celebrity persona, but began to see his unguarded human side....he like so many of us, was genuinely concerned about America's future and felt let down by an apologist President and fed up with career politicians in D.C. not seeming to give a damn about any of us, just their job security and their pet projects.
I began to see him with an open mind and with new eyes.
I enter these forums, comment occasionally, you don't know me from Adam.....well Eve, (I'm old school, there's definitely some differences there) but I think the Man should be given a chance. He hasn't even been in office 6 mos and people are ready to crucify him (they were ready to before he was elected, if we're being honest)
For the good of the Country...it is time for the NeverTrumpers to stop nitpicking every little thing he does and see where the next 3+ years takes us.
ahorseback: I don't like the man for all the reasons that are stated in the article link that I provided as the opening to this forum. You read the article and your responses were nothing more than excuses for Trump's behavior.
You are like a parent who has an unruly child but can't see it and makes excuses for their detestable behavior. I can't stand his behavior. He lies, cheats, deceives, distracts,and diverts.
Nothing is ever his fault and if he becomes threatened, he always blames others for his screw ups. He uses name calling and insults like a child. If he feels slighted, he says he was treated unfairly, just like a child.
He is a divider and conqueror. He divided the news media by calling it fake news, except for Fox news. He blames the "fake news" for his screw ups and calls it the enemy of the people. Sounds like a dictator to me.
He makes a mockery of democracy and its traditions and norms. He may be doing things legally, but he doesn't care about the conflict it creates. He is a terrible role model for morality and ethics.
He is a bully and counter attacks with 10 times the force of his opponent. He exaggerates and uses superlatives when they are not necessary other than for his own self aggrandizing.
He sees everything as a zero sum contest where he is the winner, even if he isn't he will always be the winner in his mind. My sense about him has nothing to do with politics. I think he is a pu**y grabbing, maladjusted detestable human being, whether in politics or out of politics... who has brainwashed his supporters with the capacity to overlook his screw-ups and with false hopes that are not even in their best interest...aren't you glad you asked?
By the way, I could care less about Saul Alinsky and Norm Chomsky. I would venture to say most liberals don't even know who they are. That just comes from conservative propaganda that you regurgitate, but you don't even realize that. Those references mean nothing to me and I'm sure to most liberals...you are wasting your breath.
peoplepower , Your last line speaks volumes about liberals today ! I say today first because democrats were not always what they are today , warriors for entitlements from government sponsorship dividers of ideology EVEN among themselves , There isn't now and hasn't been for years any positive political progression among democrats , Nothing in fact , ever advances along the road of established political stagnation with democrats UNLESS it first involves another entitlement free to them except for the cost to the majority of real tax-payers..
Perhaps your biggest lie is that "Trump Divided the Media ", that's absolutely preposterous . Democratic political memory has for decades been non-existent .. The media OWNS the left , lock stock and barrel .
You're right about one thing , as is the entire left when you say "YOU don't like the man " You and other democrats" here and your face book " mentality of political maturity is as obvious as a fly in the soup bowl
The entire "Russian Collusion ".is another democratic ruse , except this . There is ONE Russian connection here today , it has existed for some time and that is that both , Democrats and Russians hate the American democratic - republic form of government . Both working side by side to obstruct any progression of the American government .
Peoplepower , Almost every line you write in these political forums has an underlying truth , the left participates in the democratic form of governing by hating it's way through the process .
Congratulations though , the left's hatred is becoming the one ingredient to the bi-partisanship stagnation that feeds the american Congress and Senate.
Everthing that I write above is MORE THAN EVIDENT by this obvious example ,the undeniable reality of the thousands of legislative seats lost across America in the last ten years , Senate , congress , the White House , state legislatures , local town and city offices .
The result ,the real America is progressing and the democrats, your party , is stagnating .
ahorseback: You asked me why I don't like Trump and I told you specifically. Everything I said about him cannot be denied. So you reply with why you blame liberals for your perceived condition of this country.
Your first paragraph: entitlements, don't draw, your social security, or medicare
Your second paragraph: Do you deny that Trump called the MSM the "enemy of the people" ? Who do you think owns Fox news? His name is Rupert Murdoch, an Australian who is in bed with Trump who controls not only our countries media but many other countries media.
Third paragraph: I don't like the man and I'm being truthful. There are more people in this country that don't like him than do like him. You and the "forgotten ones" are in the minority. Why do you think his popularity ratings are so low?
Fourth paragraph: We love the democratic- republic form of government. I don't know where you get this nonsense from?
Fifth paragraph, I don't hate the process. In the last eight years my forums have been about defending Obama from the obstructions of the republican congress. The only thing they are good at is holding hearings, investigations, and obstruction. They can't even get together to legislate, because they have been obstructing for so long. They have tried to make Obama Care very simplistic, but it is beyond their ability to do what they want and what the people want.
Sixth paragraph; Are you kidding? Republicans have gerrymandered the whole country in their favor. There are now more republican governors than their have ever been.
Seventh paragraph: Yes we are stagnating, because republicans control the house, the senate, and the Supreme Court. There is no longer a balance of power to conduct the democratic-republican form of government you so revere. The only thing that even comes close is the Special Council that the deputy attorney general has ordered to investigate the Russian collusion and to prosecute if criminal intent is found...you better hope Trump and his associates are clean.
If all goes as planned , the only thing liberals are going to end up with in the end , Is the all-supporting bias of a dying left-stream American news media , perhaps as the last democratic seats of the white house ,the senate , the congress , the governors , the state legislators , all go screaming and crying into oblivion . One small democratic voice or two will still be left standing to explain the graphic details of such an incredible and well thought out political loss ;
Lets see ;
- Katy Perry
- Al Sharpton
- Nancy Pelosi
- Barbara Boxer
- Chuckie baby
- Diane Fienstien
- Maxine Waters
- Elizibeth Warrren
- Bernie Sanders
- Oh please not Hilary again , I hear she's going" back into the woods" anyway.
Not much to chose from huh ? Perhaps , the problem has been in the picking of your leaders . My advice , change your tack , put up another sail , steer for the only goal that can possibly win, honesty .
ahrorseback: That's all you got and you think Trump is honest? You are living in a bubble my friend.
We've finally reached an mass media information point in America where graphs , focus groups , polls and all the studies in the world mean absolutely nothing or absolutely everything , take your pick . All the more reason why one's own instincts mean everything .
That's called relativism.
It's actually a very interesting point and not entirely untrue. But it also means that whatever stupid thing I believe, like that the sun revolves around the earth, for instance, is as perfectly valid as any other explanation for the rotation of the planets simply because I believe it.
Fox News intentionally appeals to the right and MSNBC intentionally appeals to the left. That's why you get the results in the attached chart.
And yet both Fox and Msnbc and all of the rest are as biased and individually agenda-ed as can be , you really believe the charts ? It's not enough to pick our favorite outlet without still relying heavily on our own judgement for instance , I'm seeing more and more deception as I watch members of my own party try to sabotage Trumps progress along with democrats and the deep state , so still watching more than one outlet of media is increasingly important .
I still believe very little of most of them . By the way , just heard on a radio show that about eighty -three percent of Trump voters still have high amounts of confidence in him .
I'm sure they do. They don't want to admit they made a terrible mistake.
We have no evidence, as of yet, that a terrible mistake was made. Let's get past that point (if it happens) and see what voters think.
Your terrible mistake is the incredible amount of OPEN bumbling on the left , aren't you so proud of the exposed corruption in the DNC ? How about the fact that even Wiki- leaks has turned against your pitifully distorted ideology ? How about that even as we speak , Trump is exciting the rest of the political world with an incredible strong showing in the middle east , Iran shaking in it's boots , Saudi - Arabia kissing his feet , the security of Israel once again the focus of our foreign policy there ?
Obama must be quivering . Hilary crying , Bernie shaking , the media flip flopping , pretty soon even non voting liberals will be singing God bless America again !
Information means nothing when it tells you what you don't want to know.
That too , there is nothing more dangerous than acceptance of one ideology , mediocre group thought .
Or, all too often, it means nothing when it tells you what you don't want to hear. Or what you do want to hear but isn't true.
I struggle some with learned helplessness, but believe that I am ascending. It is a wonderful season to be alive. I like real change from the status quo. Its a new era and I like it. We win!
America is divided in half and all hell is breaking loose. Wait till the riots begin again about July. Chaos, lots of chaos.
I am heartened to know just where all of any summer violence and obstruction originates , You ?
The chaos that you speak of , was non-existent from the right even when we had eight years of a socialist ideology "leading" us on an ever downward spiral ?
Fox News has been very effective with its viewers in attacking the credibility of all other major media, and its viewers are mostly Republican.
That said, Fox is changing its tune now that Roger Ailes is gone. It is becoming more mainstream and less biased.
Trump has much more to worry about with the independents, who in your chart believe media more than Trump.
Live to Learn - You make a good point about Kennedy and Carter, both presidents in the days before 24-hour news cycle. But the president will always be a role model for good or ill. He is too much in the public eye to be anything else.
Even with today's full time media coverage , people understand far less the differences between images of reality or idea's born of fantasy hence all the false media and phony ideology today , collectively they should be far more truly informed and far less fakingly offended or emotionally involve ,politically speaking .
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