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Judge Roy Moore - Under Fire and Accused

  1. RJ Schwartz profile image94
    RJ Schwartzposted 3 months ago

    The Washington Post published a story last week stating that Alabama Judge and candidate for US Senator Roy Moore has multiple incidents of misconduct involving underage girls.....34 years ago.
    This is the same "newspaper" that did a hit piece on President Trump last election cycle.  This is also the same publication that is supporting Judge Moore's opponent in what looks to be a must-watch race.  Several establishment Republicans-In-Name-Only have already publicly called for Moore to step aside and disqualify himself from the race. 

    This is a judge who has been elected, not appointed, twice, and removed twice due to his unwillingness to remove the Ten Commandments from his courtroom and refusing to allow issuance of same sex marriage licenses in the state of Alabama.

    This entire series of events is troubling since Judge Moore has been in office for 37 years and has been through many elections, including the run-off last month - and suddenly now this allegation is made?  It seems like calling someone a sexual predator is going to replace the old Democrat tool of calling them a racist.  What are your thoughts on this matter?


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    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think a great deal of the man. He is just another religious phony and hypocrite.  It will be interesting to see his GOP advocates create enough spin to get his pedophilia background out of the headlines..... But I see they are already trying to convince us that 2 + 2= 5 already, anything to cover the a$$es of one of their own. I say make him sweat to convince us all of his innocence.

      I am sitting in the audience with my popcorn...

      1. Aime F profile image85
        Aime Fposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Even if it was somehow proven that the women who came forward are lying, we’ll always have that guy who tried to tell us all it isn’t that bad for a thirty-something year old to be with a fourteen year old because of Mary and Joseph. I feel like that guy needs to be getting some more side-eye no matter what.

      2. RJ Schwartz profile image94
        RJ Schwartzposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        The Republican committee has already cut funding ties with him

    2. Aime F profile image85
      Aime Fposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Nah, if Democrats wanted to hurt someone’s chances at winning an election they wouldn’t rely on sexual assault accusations to ruin their chances. We all know Republicans have no problem electing someone with more than a few of those under his belt.

    3. Live to Learn profile image77
      Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      My thoughts are that I don't believe in statutory limits on the amount of time a young girl has to bring charges of rape. If true, try him and lock him up.

      It's disgusting that alleged victims of such a crime should be ignored forpolitical positioning.

      It's a question of character. If done, repent. Without that we have a hypocrite who doesn't believe in the values he hides behind.

    4. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Just wondering if he had raped or murdered somebody 34 years ago, would it matter to you?

      Why does the time-frame of the offense matter?

      1. ahorseback profile image61
        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Ohlet's  say .................The Statute of Limitations for one !

        Wasn't that Bill Clinton's " Bimbo "   defense ?

        Just wondering .

      2. crankalicious profile image94
        crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        So, the conclusion is that if a guy was a serial pedophile 34 years ago, that's okay and not something we should know about because that seems to be what you're saying? We should forgive pedophilia if the offense was x number of years back?

        1. Misfit Chick profile image71
          Misfit Chickposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I think the argument lies within what each person considers to be a 'pedophile'. An older man trolling teenagers isn't considered to be a big deal in some areas of the country. In fact, aren't they 'just about ready' to be making their own decisions? That means that they are pretty much ready for sex, also - and if they are ready (sometimes as early as 13-15), they should be fair game.

          That kind of situation isn't considered to be nearly the taboo as molesting little girls who have not yet reached puberty. The fact that men these days don't get 'why' a teenager should ALSO be off-limits is the maddening part for us grown women. Men like Moore prey on their hopes & dreams... like the message he left in that one girl's yearbook. It sounded nice enough, didn't it - innocuous, even. (And the girl totally had a crush on him, as was indicated by what she wrote about him as a teenager.)

          Also, Moore lied about knowing her - does that mean nothing to his 'he's a good Christian' fans?

          That is where/how these things start - and incidentally, it is why so many abortions take place. Roy Moore had absolutely no right to be playing around with those legally-underage girls; and if the girls (as adults) thought it was an important point for voters to take into consideration - especially considering his religious zealousy - then that is why they came forward. Yeah, pretty damn brave.

          Find candidates with integrity; and stop insisting that the biggest as*holes in this country are our saviors. Most of us know better.

  2. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 3 months ago

    MARK LEVIN Exposes WaPo Hit Piece on Judge Moore As Complete Fabrication -  SERIOUSLY!
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11 … brication/

    Photo of the accuser working with Crooked Hillary, bought and paid for DNC aid:
    Roy Moore’s Accuser Worked for Democratic Leaders and Is Actively Campaigning for Moore’s Opponent
    https://activistmommy.com/breaking-roy- … -opponent/

    Accuser pictured with Creepy Joe Bidden.
    ADDED:  ROY MOORE’S TWO ACCUSERS: LEIGH CORFMAN’S AGE WAS 17 NOT 14 & HAS HISTORY OF MAKING FALSE ALLEGATIONS, DEBORAH GIBSON A DEM VOLUNTEER FOR MOORE’S OPPONENT
    https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/11/10 … volunteer/

  3. abwilliams profile image26
    abwilliamsposted 3 months ago

    Yes it is awfully fishy, just one month before he runs against the Dem
    but, we aren't to question, otherwise we'll be attacked, as he has been.

  4. wilderness profile image98
    wildernessposted 3 months ago

    Sounds like a man that should never again see the back side of the judge's desk OR the inside of the senate.  But not because of unsubstantiated claims from decades ago - because he has no idea of what his task is as a judge or lawmaker.

  5. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 3 months ago

    Pardon me folks, I must have missed the long list of prominent Democrats who called on Senator Menendez to step aside and resign after being not just accused of hiring underage hookers, ... but he was criminally CHARGED with political corruption.  If someone has that list, please direct me to it. 

    Media silence, while they go after the Judge relentlessly. 
    What a joke!

    1. Paul Winngert profile image60
      Paul Winngertposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13818371.png

  6. tritrain profile image85
    tritrainposted 3 months ago

    There are 5 accusers.  With all of the sexual harassment charges coming out at once, the victims feel empowered to say something.  Sure there will be attention seekers (Corey Feldman) or liars, but every case must be looked into.

    Innocent until proven guilty. 

    But at the same time, there are plenty of other reasons not to like that wacky guy (I'm putting it nicely).

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image94
      RJ Schwartzposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      The one in question worked for Hillary Clinton - too coincidental

  7. tritrain profile image85
    tritrainposted 3 months ago

    Why are we having these stupid discussions?  Why are you and your buddies bringing up this political crap?  Or guns?  Or other incendiary topics?  Wouldn't it be better to talk about writing or football?  Leave the insulting behavior for another time.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image94
      RJ Schwartzposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Why are you taking part in something you seem to find disagreeable?  No one is forcing you to partake in this discussion.

  8. Aime F profile image85
    Aime Fposted 3 months ago

    So Roy himself didn’t deny dating the Hillary Clinton employee when she was 17, simply said “I don’t recall” and acknowledged that he had some type of relationship with her. Interesting. *sips tea*

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image94
      RJ Schwartzposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Now it becomes a battle of memories.*pops popcorn*  it's gonna be a bumpy ride so buckle up.

  9. RJ Schwartz profile image94
    RJ Schwartzposted 3 months ago

    This has been on a slow boil over the past few days - it seems that the attempts by both the media and the GOP to destroy Judge Moore are excessive.  The latest angle would be for the state Republican Party to formally pull its support from him as a candidate.  The strangest thing is that he could still win the election but the results would be null and void.?.?.?.?

    This would be an unprecedented act of "taking away the will of the people"

    Judge Moore should be given the right of due process just like any other American citizen - if the voters want him, then he should be seated and if he's later found guilty, then punished and removed.

  10. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 3 months ago

    The Roy Moore Story is fake! They used the name of a restaurant called "Old Hickory House" in Gadsden, AL and claimed an incident took place there in 1977. The Old Hickory House in Gadsden AL opened in 2001 (see link below). However, they found another business with the same name (pictured) with a sign celebrating 40 years in business, which would mean it opened in 1977, exactly the same date they chose for their script. Unfortunately, the picture is from a restaurant in Tucker GA. They used the the wrong restaurant for their phony story!
    https://www.manta.com/c/mm3l763/old-hic … -bar-b-que

    Photo they used for their BS story:
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … mp;theater

    Yelp ... with photo of the Old Hickory House in Tucker GA.
    https://www.yelp.com/biz/old-hickory-house-tucker

    Added:
    "Old Hickory House" in Gadsden was never called "Olde Hickory House."

    The person who forged the signature got the name wrong.
    https://conservativefiringline.com/twit … ok-forged/

    Lying fascist scum.

    1. Aime F profile image85
      Aime Fposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/45 … ory-houses

      Nice try. For someone who previously tried to make me out to be some sort of monster when you (wrongly) perceived that I didn’t believe victims of sexual assault, you sure are going to a lot of trouble to try to discredit these women.

      I’d call you a hypocrite but I think even that would be an understatement.

      1. promisem profile image97
        promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        You are very patient trying to deal with these people. I have largely given up to spend my time and energy on more important activities.

        1. colorfulone profile image86
          colorfuloneposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          You know me better than that.  Someone took something wrong, personally. Making a mountain out of nothing intended to be anything resembling that baloney. 

          Nice to see you stop by.

          1. promisem profile image97
            promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            My comment has nothing to do with you personally. It's directed at any people who fill HP with propaganda that makes them feel better about their personal beliefs instead of opening their minds to look for the truth, no matter where it lies.

            Frankly, I don't care if it comes from the right or the left.

            It's one reason why I have pulled most of my content from HP even though I had a clear path to 5 million page views.

            Thanks for your clarification.

            1. colorfulone profile image86
              colorfuloneposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              I hope you have a home for you articles where they will perform well.  Wow! Almost a million views is really something to give up, that must have been painful to do.  But, I understand how it is sometimes, one has to think of their own peace of mind.

              1. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Thanks for understanding. I passed a million page views a while ago. I was hopeful about my progress toward my next goal.

                Despite our differences, I wish you well. I know you have good intentions.

          2. Aime F profile image85
            Aime Fposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13781529.jpg

            1. VanessaJanes profile image81
              VanessaJanesposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Funny!

  11. Aime F profile image85
    Aime Fposted 3 months ago

    Oh my goodness it is a TRAVESTY that we can’t post gifs here.

  12. ptosis profile image81
    ptosisposted 3 months ago

    Roy Moore was lifetime banned from Gladson mall for harrassing little girls. He would troll the mall on Friday and Saturday nights. He was also banned from the YMCA for same reason.

    When asked about dating underage girls,  he replied, "I always asked their mother's permission".

    All this while being the assistant DA.

    But the most disgusting example is;
    A JMC analytics poll found that 37 percent of evangelicals surveyed said the allegations make them more likely to vote for the GOP Senate candidate in the upcoming election.

    Evangelical Christians have made it clear that under the right circumstances, they’re willing to give pedophilia a pass. Why? Is it because although Roy Moore is a pedophile, he wants to ban homosexuality and staple the Ten Commandments to every public building in the country?

    So  homosexuality bad, pedophilia not so bad?

    I think this shows that we are not so civilized as a nation as we thought we are. Reminds me of the fact that paedophilia is widespread and culturally accepted in southern Afghanistan. US troops ordered to ignore child prostitution because diversity is good.

    "Bacha bāzī is a slang term in Afghanistan for a wide variety of activities involving sexual relations between older men and younger adolescent men, or boys, which is child sexual abuse. The practitioner is commonly called bacha Baz or simply BACH. It may include to some extent sexual slavery and child prostitution."

    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Yet, all I hear are excuses that has to make one pause about the sincerity of those that claim to adhere to true Christian principles. There has to be a disconnect between supporting someone as vile as Moore yet can still beat everyone over the head with his or her bible.  Seems like they can so easily trade in Christian orthodoxy for rightwing political expediency. I cannot stand the very mention of these kinds of people.

  13. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 2 months ago

    EVERY SINGLE DETAIL of Gloria Allred’s and  Beverly Nelson's attack on Roy Moore Has Been Debunked...CNN even helped on this one!
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11 … rrest-now/

    As Accuser Stories Fall Apart, New Numbers Out of Alabama Show Roy Moore’s Chance of Winning Has Skyrocketed
    https://viral.americanewshub.com/2017/1 … ed/?fb=ben

    I saw this coming from a mile away!  I trusted my gut, and what I knew, and I wasn't a coward for standing up for what I believed. 

    Maybe there needs to be charges for fraud made?  Allred already had two investigations on her before this. She needs to be disbarred from practice law as far as I am concerned.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image82
      PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Might Christian of ya.  Defending one child predator because you agree with his politics while spending hours upon hours piling on others because you don't agree with their politics.  You are enabling a pedophile because of politics.  That is truly gross..

      My thoughts, copied and pasted from another post. 

      Roy Moore is a predator.  Al Franken is a predator.  Donald Trump is a predator.  Bill Clinton is a predator.  Just as there are different degrees of murder or theft under the law, there are different degrees of sexual harassment and abuse.  Roy Moore sexually abused children.  Al Franken grabbed women against their wishes.  Are they the same?  Yes, but no.  Yes, they are both sexual crimes. No, one crime is far worse than the other.  Yet, some will defend Moore because he continues his predatory behavior by bullying his victims, calling them liars, threatening to sue.  Just like our president has done to his accusers.  Just like Clinton did with his.  Franken, at least, owns up to his transgressions.  That doesn't make it okay, but at least he is not continuing to bully his victims.  Can you really say Franken and Moore are the same, either in the crimes they committed, or in the way they are reacting to the allegations?  Franken is not my senator, but if he were, I'd call for him to resign.  We must have standards for our leaders.  Roy Moore, like Trump, is not fit to be dog catcher.  He certainly is not fit to be a senator of this great nation.  Come on, stop being partisan.  Stop defending the predators.

  14. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 2 months ago

    No it has to do with knowing what kind of character Allred is.  It also has to do with knowing what kind of character Moore has.  It also has to do with having discernment, its kind of like having wisdom.  People don't understand discernment and wisdom have none.

    Policies are important in the political ring, and I certain agree with Moore on abortion and more.  His opponent is like that of Clinton, he believe women should have the right to murder their own babies up to the point of being born. 

    Good vs Evil.   

    If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!
    Odd, Allred refuses to turn over the year book for forensic hand writing analyses. What is she afraid of?

    What some people think doesn't mean much! Blah, blah, blah!

    1. PrettyPanther profile image82
      PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "Before you start telling people lies, make sure they don't already know the truth".--Miranda

      Surely, you could find an anti-abortion candidate who is not a pedophile?  Surely, you can. Your concern for the unborn is touching.  Your lack of concern for them once they walk upon the earth is disturbing.

  15. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 2 months ago

    I find this disrespectfully gross personal attack totally unacceptable.

    I don't live in Alabama and Moore is not my candidate.... Ridiculous.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image82
      PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Sure, but you're just like those Alabamans who say they'll vote for a child molesting Republican over a Democrat. They use their anti-abortion views as justification.

      And you're being a good little online soldier, doing your part to spread
      the word that Roy Moore, just like ptesident Don, is not like those other nasty predators you've devoted an entire weeks-long thread to. Oh, no, they're  different.

      Even though "you" are not an Alabama voter, "you" are dutifully doing your part to ensure he is seen differently, even though he is clearly too creepy to be allowed at a mall.

      Ridiculous.

      1. ahorseback profile image61
        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Do you mean like you did with Billy Clinton ?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image82
          PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          LOL, always pivot to Clinton, right?
          Your playbook needs a refresh.

          First, I was not using the internet until 1996 and I certainly didn't post about politics back then so no online soldiering by me.

          Second, I voted for Clinton the first time but not the second time, not that it has any relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand, but hey, I know the Trump Brigade can't type a paragraph without bringing up Hillary or Bill so whatever.

          Last, thank you for agreeing with my premise, even though I'm almost certain it was accidental.

          1. ahorseback profile image61
            ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "Whatever ".........is the definition of hypocrite ?

            1. PrettyPanther profile image82
              PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              That was one word out of many. It's elling that you chse to ignore the rest.

  16. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 2 months ago

    The former mall manager for the time period in question said that Moore was never banned from the mall.

    The false facts have all been debunked.  No one signs their name with two different colors of ink and uses different hand writing.  Allred refuses to turn over the year book to a hand writing analyses.  She won't answer the question if her client saw Moore sign the year book.

    The story doesn't hold water. You should maybe research all of it before you pass a judgement on Moore, I did.  I would be very surprised to find that he is guilty. I think its dirty politics at play, nothing more.  After the election the accuser will go away, if not before. 

    I think Allred and Nelson will be charged for fraud. 

    You sure have an issue when someone doesn't agree with what you have decided in your own mind, you can't control what other people think...not without convincing evidence.  I'm convince Allred and Nelson are lying.  Nelson is a terrible actor!  I've studying body language for a very long time, I'm not an expert, but I listen to what an expert says and she is not a fool that is easily deceived, neither am I.

  17. IslandBites profile image87
    IslandBitesposted 2 months ago
  18. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 2 months ago

    LOL...Someone believes WaPo!
    Undercover Video Exposes Washington Post’s Hidden Agenda
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_Wcnyaak8

    "In newly released undercover video, Washington Post National Security Correspondent Dan Lamothe and Director of Product Joey Marburger speak to the paper’s hidden agenda. Evidently, covering Trump the way they do is good business, even though it’s fake news."

    PRAVDA ... more undercover videos to come...
    Added: 
    "Email inside Washington Post obtained by Project Veritas shows WaPo newsroom on red alert for us. More video inside dropping this week."
    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13801093.jpg

  19. RJ Schwartz profile image94
    RJ Schwartzposted 2 months ago

    Looks like the accuser with the yearbook has just admitted to forging part of the entry Gloria Allred was trying to use

    1. colorfulone profile image86
      colorfuloneposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      It was plain to see!    Tar and feathers?

      1. Paul Winngert profile image60
        Paul Winngertposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Gotta stick up for the pedophile, huh? Of course, your Bibull has nothing against rape or pedophilia. That didn't make on God's top things not to do. Heck, he spent the first four pointing out his insecurity issues. What's that verse that says it's okay to rape and marry a virgin providing you pay off her father?

        1. Paul Winngert profile image60
          Paul Winngertposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          That's just one of the accusers. Even if 90% lied, all it takes is one. Then again we're talking about an idiot that thinks the Bibull trumps our Constitution and been kicked off the bench twice. Why this iis even a close race is mind-boggling. Oh yeah. It's Alabama.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Another untruth. The date and name of the restaurant was added later. A noted handwriting expert said Moore's writing and signature was real. Good try though.

  20. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 2 months ago

    Does that come from your hero the talking snake (as you said is your hero)?

    "The talking snake is my hero."
    http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2928538

  21. Paul Winngert profile image60
    Paul Winngertposted 2 months ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13816343.jpg

  22. ahorseback profile image61
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Paul , It must be scary then to see the polls showing Moore ahead by three to six points or so .   So much for baseless , unproven  leftist attacks.    Wouldn't you think  that you might learn from all other baseless accusations?

    Is your media bias slip showing ?

    1. Paul Winngert profile image60
      Paul Winngertposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Denial much?

      1. Aime F profile image85
        Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Someone on the left is accused and it’s as good as a proven fact.

        Someone on the right is accused and it’s totally baseless.

        Anyone who accepts a woman’s accusation depending on who she’s accusing does not actually care about women being sexually assaulted and it’s as simple as that.

        1. ahorseback profile image61
          ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Whats happening is that the left is throwing everything against the wall at any conservative candidate ,Just to see what will stick !  And you know that . Sexual assault is just one more leftist tool for that , 34 four year old accusations ?!!?

          1. Aime F profile image85
            Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            It was nice of you to want to prove my point but there’s already plenty of evidence supporting it. smile

            1. ahorseback profile image61
              ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              So you don't really know what evidence is do you !

        2. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          "Anyone who accepts a woman’s accusation depending on who she’s accusing does not actually care about women being sexually assaulted and it’s as simple as that."

          Very true.  Can we also add that anyone who accepts a woman's accusation as proven fact and metes out punishment as a result doesn't care about justice, fairness or our legal system?

          1. Aime F profile image85
            Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Sure.

            But I don’t see anyone forcing the accused into prisons without a trial.

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              No we don't.  Just getting them fired, ruining financial, work and likely private lives, the result of accusations that carry no supporting evidence with them.  It's called the "hanging mob" and is something we supposedly did away with a century ago.

              1. Aime F profile image85
                Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                So what, victims just aren’t supposed to speak up if there’s no evidence that would get the accused tried in a court of law? One in five plus whatever other number of people don’t even bother to report because they know it won’t go anywhere.

                That’s your idea of “fairness”?

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  That's my idea of libel/slander.  Check the law to see if I'm right - making vile claims about what someone else said or did, that damages them in some way, is illegal.  That is, unless the claims can be proven to be true, in which case you can say whatever you wish.

                  Those slander laws exist for a reason, a reason that I agree with.

                  1. Aime F profile image85
                    Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    But not being able to prove a sexual assault does not mean that the sexual assault didn’t happen. Even the presence of DNA doesn’t prove anything, there’s still the issue of needing to prove consent. This usually requires a witness, which aren’t usually present for a sexual assault. You’re saying that unless it can be proven in a court of law you assume it’s slanderous? So the vast majority of women who report sexual assault are lying?

  23. ahorseback profile image61
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Interesting that the accusers seem to first accuse through media and not through the justice system ?  If the legal system fails you justice,  what  will the media gain you , attention ? Sexual assaults have always been a pretty secretive legal procedure  , Now however  the open media is trying them ?
    Right !

    1. Aime F profile image85
      Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Only one in five sexual assault cases go to court, often because there is no substantial proof or witnesses to qualify as evidence admissible in a court of law.

      Does that mean the 4/5 that didn’t manage to swipe some DNA or get “lucky” enough to be assaulted in front of someone else should just sit quietly and move on?

      1. ahorseback profile image61
        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        4 out 5 aren't reported for what reason ? Embarrassment ,  guilt , lack of evidence , systematic discouragement , drugs , alcohol , shame  ?

        And yet , lets try these cases in the media huh ?

        That doesn't sound fishy to you .

        Hey I'm all about a woman's genuine rights , really . But thirty four years later ? It's politics .

        1. Aime F profile image85
          Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          The “1-in-5” statistic is referring to reported sexual assaults.

          Four out of 5 reported sexual assaults don’t make it to court. You can make your own guess how many more sexual assaults go unreported. Hint: probably a lot.

          I’m not sure what you’re suggesting. That women are right not to report sexual assault if they feel shame about it or were drinking alcohol or know they don’t have any evidence? Do those things make it any less of an assault?

          Did you have any issue with the women who told their stories about Weinstein to the media?

          It is extremely common for people to not come forward with sexual assault right away and to wait years or even decades to come forward. The women who have accused Moore all did so knowing there were others that would be stepping forward at the same time - it’s a huge reason women wait so long, fear of doing it alone. Especially in the case of a powerful man.

          1. ahorseback profile image61
            ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            And  as to the stigma of sexual assault ,  let's start by trying someone in the media ?
            I stand with women who been assaulted by men ,   but the double standard  with liberals baffles me and probably it's just your party but ;

            Bill Clinton ,liberals --- "Lets wait until all the available  evidence is in please before we impeach , DNA means nothing "?

            Roy Moore , liberals -----" Let's lynch his a$$   Now "?

            1. Aime F profile image85
              Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              The fact that you cannot see the double standard coming from both sides does not surprise me in the least.

              So you don’t think that the women who were assaulted/harassed by Weinstein should have spoken publicly about it either?

              1. ahorseback profile image61
                ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Weinstein is a pig , he admits his crime right ? Deserves what he gets ,   The weaponization and politicizing by liberals  of sex  assaults however , just as the left is looking for all and any impeachable  stuff thrown at the wall ?  It's all just a bit too orchestrated .
                How convenient .

                Even woman journalist's are saying ,There's a political strategy to all of this .

                1. Aime F profile image85
                  Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Well that would be a terrible political strategy as it was made perfectly clear when Trump was elected despite several sexual misconduct allegations that conservative voters don’t really care about that stuff.

                  1. ahorseback profile image61
                    ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    And liberals only care when it's the opposing party and pre-election for purposes of an opponents defeat .      Then it's Hang Um High , don't need a judge.

            2. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Cmon, Ahorseback, must I suffer through more of your horse droppings of wisdom?

              The difference is obvious, Impeachment is the legal act of removing a president from office, of course more than heresay is necessary as proof. I never thought it was any business of the dirty GOP to elevate Clinton's amorous behavior to an impeachable offense. That hardly reaches the 'high crimes or misdemeanors" standard.

              Roy Moore and his behavior are not being subject to any legal recourse. But people do have the right to judge and make their own call in regards to it and have that call reflected at the ballot box. So, spare me all the 'liberal press' harassment stuff, the man is a jerk anyway you look at it. You would have been free to make the same choice one way or the other prior during Bill Clinton's candidacy based on information gleaned about his behavior.

              1. ahorseback profile image61
                ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                My droppings of wisdom must hit a nerve or you'd ignore the facts I use , the common sense points I exude .  Clinton Lied to congress and on TV for your viewing pleasure and to the point of his impeachment .  Of course that happened after a legit trial and finding .

                Moore , not so much !   Bring on his legal charges and  wait the results .

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  You are correct: Clinton was tried for lying to congress, not because his sexual episodes were somehow elevated to an impeachable offense.

                  1. ahorseback profile image61
                    ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Clinton lied to the world multiple times  ,  was impeached merely  for show . But I loved that side ways look on his face at the debates , Worth every dime .

  24. ahorseback profile image61
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Let's see if  political obstructionists can figure the answer to this ,  It will be interesting , If I break into your house , take your TV , your  computer , your wallet .
    Will you wait three or four decades to call the cops ?

    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Obviously the nature of this discussions and the issue involved has gone completely over your head, to make such a comparison.

    2. Aime F profile image85
      Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      The fact that you’re comparing having material belongings stolen with being violated sexually just shows how deeply you do not understand this.

      I don’t know why I’m surprised but I feel genuinely shocked and disheartened reading through these responses.

      1. ahorseback profile image61
        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Yes , well that went just the way I expected to .     Anybody going to answer my question?

        1. Aime F profile image85
          Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          No. Because it’s a stupid question.

          1. ahorseback profile image61
            ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            As I said , just as I expected.

            1. Aime F profile image85
              Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Well why did you ask it if you knew that everyone would think it was dumb? smile

              1. ahorseback profile image61
                ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Because the left is so predictable in it's bias and hatred of our democracy , it's kind of fun to play with that .

                1. Aime F profile image85
                  Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Well I’m glad you consider being completely oblivious to the struggles of being sexually assaulted “fun.”

                  1. ahorseback profile image61
                    ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    When women politicize sexual assault for ideological gain and not justice  , It already
                    is a game , Did women  sit on their lower morals with their slips showing during the whole Clinton charade ,    including Hilary's  war against the Bimbos ?


                    Crickets !

  25. Paul Winngert profile image60
    Paul Winngertposted 2 months ago

    Good news! The pedophile lost!

  26. ahorseback profile image61
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    The ALPP  replaced the DNC , American Leftist  Propaganda Party and has their media that leads them around by their belt buckles  puppeting the strings of it's youthful and uninformed  constituents , 
    Why reason with the unreasonable ? You gotta love the psuedo -intellectual elitist's.

    They've made the word rape into a political club and they question the right's  morals.?

    1. Aime F profile image85
      Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Do you also believe the allegations made against Bill Clinton were politically motivated?

      1. ahorseback profile image61
        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        The allegations against Clinton were True , You DO mean Hilary's Bimbo's Right ? And as such ,
        I also believe that there are a lot of hypocrites here , Aime

        Let me ask you this ,  Did you register the look on Bills face at the debates , That's when I KNEW , you?

        1. Aime F profile image85
          Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          But why are they true when the ones against Trump, Moore, etc. are just political lies? Is there evidence to support that? As far as I know he hasn’t been charged with anything in a court of law... hmmm...

          You’re right. Lots of hypocrites.

          1. ahorseback profile image61
            ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Clinton , Impeached in the House for lying to them about Lewinsky affair , wouldn't you call that ,evidence recorded ? That's why we have DNA.

            All allegations deserve legal respect . Even those nasty conservatives say that .

            1. Aime F profile image85
              Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              The only thing that’s evidence of is that they had a consensual affair.

              1. ahorseback profile image61
                ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                But of course in the morals of the new left a married president can get a B J in the cloak room on company time right ?  Gotta love those interns ,.      If only Monica was 14 or seventeen huh ?
                Then the left would have attacked Bill like a pit bull ?    Not!
                  What have you all gained ?
                Senates  R--240 ..........D -193 .......I - 2  ?

                In 2018 -  24 democratic seats are up for grabs / 8 republican and 2 independents ? Stick around !

                1. Aime F profile image85
                  Aime Fposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Uhhh... yeah, if Clinton was having sexual relations with a minor it would be much different than a consensual affair with an adult. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

                  But please note that nowhere have I defended him or said he did nothing wrong. All I did was flip the script and use the same reasons you’re using to dismiss the claims against Trump/Moore to give you a reason to dismiss the claims against Clinton. Yet you don’t seem to be doing that. Hmm, strange.

                  1. ahorseback profile image61
                    ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    If Monica was a minor , The left would have doubled down to defend him because of the danger of immediate  impeachment , He was charismatic with the ladies you know , Who are you trying to kid ?

  27. RJ Schwartz profile image94
    RJ Schwartzposted 2 months ago

    I've had several conversations with co-workers on this election and one though that surfaced was striking similar to what I had heard in the Presidential election - did voters choose the lesser of two evils in this race.  Neither candidate would be considered a "good" choice, but maybe one seemed less problematic than the other?  Thoughts?

    1. ahorseback profile image61
      ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      The oft times frivolous accusations and weaponization in sexual harassment cases has surfaced before this , I worked for a company that separated  female employment silently and carefully twenty years ago , BECAUSE of the hypocrisy displayed by game playing , false sexual harassment accusations.

      Now ;false,  frivolous political accusations will hurt REAL women's rights and accomplishments . Real ones will be hidden behind the politics , lost in the courts . shuffled beneath the paper game hurting real women.

    2. GA Anderson profile image82
      GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Hi RJ, Although it is only informed by the various media presentations - I have a thought.

      In a sense it may seem like a "lesser of two evils" choice, but I don't think they are comparable evils in the normal use of the comparison.

      While it may only be a paint job, I think Roy Moore could easily be perceived by opponents as an evil choice. But I think the "evil" part of a Doug Jones choice would be that he was such a plain vanilla option - no real substance, other than not being Roy Moore.

      My perception is that any other Republican candidate -other than Roy Moore, would have swept the election.

      GA

      1. RJ Schwartz profile image94
        RJ Schwartzposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I agree - Luther Strange would have won

  28. Misfit Chick profile image71
    Misfit Chickposted 2 months ago

    Yes, no doubt. And if Trump didn't have a WORSE disposition and reputation - he would not be dealing with nearly as much 'mistreatment', now. 'We the people' (that would be the majority who didn't vote for Trump or stayed home) don't trust him; and that makes a world of difference.

  29. Timothy Anderson profile image95
    Timothy Andersonposted 2 months ago

    Misfit Chick -- good points.  Let's put this into perspective: Carrie Fisher was 19 when she and 33-year-old Harrison Ford (who was married) had a three-month "passionate" love affair, according to her autobiography published a few years ago.  So why aren't the hordes going after Ford?

    Moore was about Ford's age when he was dating teens, and he wasn't married.

    Just sayin'....

    1. Misfit Chick profile image71
      Misfit Chickposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Like I said... older men and teenagers aren't nearly the taboo as molesting pre-puberty children. Thanks for proving my point.

      I doubt that there is anyone who would say that Ford and Fisher's affair was okay - but, it is awfully acceptible, isn't it? That just proves how much our society and the people who make it up don't give a flying fig about what happens to young girls. Once they hit 18, they are DEFINITELY up for grabs - no matter what.

      Carrie would be considered a tarty little slut; and Ford would be considered a 'man of the world' who was doing the 'manly-man' thing of taking whatever he wanted.

      Its a lopsided distortion; and one that we women complain about a LOT!

  30. ahorseback profile image61
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    What happens in these "legal " cases ;

    This isn't justice ----it's simply a media persecution of and for political purpose.   What will these women do now , go to the attorney generals ,go  file charges , sue for damages , bring out the dresses  with DNA on them , the witness',?  No , they will slink back into the  annals  of  election night victory parties until one more NEW political party on , I believe they began in political parties  and they will end there too . 

    I don't know a woman in my life who would so sensationalize a attempted kiss , an inappropriate groping or even a rape . No one  here does either ?

    1. Misfit Chick profile image71
      Misfit Chickposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      It is so normal for you to miss the main points. Watch more Fox News. That will help. LoL!

      1. ahorseback profile image61
        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Who don't you educate us all on the finer points of how justice was served over  politics ,  how the integrity of a trial was served over probable innuendo ,  how one honest reporting was served over a hundred fake stories ,

        The" main points  I've missed "sure isn't  that your ideology is as corrupt as your total DNC leadership has been  , it may be  effective leadership at times but it's as dirty as it always has been.

        Welcome to the world of Trial by Media !

        1. Misfit Chick profile image71
          Misfit Chickposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Well, it is sort of obvious that you didn't take the time to read what Moore wrote to his 1st accuser in her year book; and you didn't see what she wrote about him. I haven't been listening to the news about Moore - I just read the interview of that one accuser. It was all I (and many of us) needed.

          And again... you are such a flucking idiot for continuing to insist that the DNC is 'mine'; AND you're an idiot for thinking that RNC leadership is NOTHING like the DNC, LoL!

          1. ahorseback profile image61
            ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Misfit Chick ,Nice rant , nice language , proving quite typical of liberals losing debating points .   
            Scream until you clear the air and thus win your own trophy .

            What are you like 9 ?

 
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