Now, before I post this, in some of your eyes, both Palin and Trump are loosers. This answer I expect, but, we now have two people with fare ratings and backbones looking into this Issue.
Not only that, they tell you, like it is, not, what you want to hear.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says real estate mogul Donald Trump, who is considering a 2012 presidential run, is right in sending investigators to Hawaii to pursue the issue of where President Barack Obama was born, because many Americans want proof he was indeed born in this country.
“I appreciate that 'The Donald' wants to spend his resources in getting to the bottom of something that so interests him and many Americans — you know, more power to him,” Palin said Saturday on Fox News’ “Justice with Judge Jeanine.” “He’s not just throwing stones from the sidelines, he’s digging in there, he’s paying for researchers to find out why President Obama would have spent $2 million to not show his birth certificate.”
Palin said although she believes the president was born in Hawaii, it is “perplexing” why Obama has spent so much money to avoid the issue, and there might be “something there the president doesn’t want people to see” on his birth certificate.
She expressed hope Trump’s investigation will put to rest the issue of why the president is so intent on not providing the requested documentation.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Sara … de=C0E5-1#
Come on John, It does not seem strange that he would spend $2M on something that he could dismiss in 5 minutes? I also believe he was born in Hawaii but think he is hiding something, Just makes no sense to spend that amount of money for something so simple! would you spend that kind of money? could it not go to better use? lets see how honest you answer this.
Well, where is the evidence that he has spent $2 million?
It was common knowledge that he spent, $1,000,000 when he first took office when this issue first came up.
Well, you know how story's grow. what ever the amount, let's get to the bottom of this mess ans be done with it.
I can get to the bottom of it. There were two announcements in the local newspapers announcing his birth, in Hawaii. That is all the proof you need.
Trump is a stuffed shirt, full of himself, and a real pain to watch on the Golf Channel.
"It was common knowledge that he spent, $1,000,000 when he first took office when this issue first came up."
If it was "common knowledge" then you'll have no problem showing proof, right? Like, links to news articles from real journalists, with cited sources?
Who needs proof when you can just make up a "fact" and then claim it's "common knowledge", as if anyone who doesn't know this is stupid?
If I wasn't born in this country and I wanted people to think I was, I don't even know where I would spend money to make that happen. Perhaps I'd build a time machine to go back and put the announcements in the newspapers. I mean please, someone suggest where a person would start to spend money to make this cover-up possible.
Ah HA! I always knew you weren't born in this country, DB Cooper! I also suspected you owned a time machine. I bet you're the one who loaned the way-back machine to the Obama family so they could perpetrate this giant hoax/conspiracy! Ha! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah and too!
I guess it is free to defend all the lawsuits? Do you think a guy like trump did not get facts also? please be real. I knew you would not answer the question because you CAN NOT. twist away again johnny boy! Can not even answer a simple question....WOW
Erm, actually I asked the question. The common routine is for one person to ask a question and another to answer it,not for the questioner to both ask and answer the question.
Actually I asked the question! and you came back diverting your answer to ask me one! I know it is hard for you but start from the top and read the posts and answer the question like a man! think you can handle that? lets see how you twist this one.
The law suits keep getting dismissed, you will note.
The question was what proof do you have of any specific amount spent in defense of these suits? I don't know for sure, but I think Obama is giving them the finger in court, which he can't in public.
NOTHING will ever satisfy the birthers. A lot of them are walking zombies because their heads exploded (figuratively speaking) when a black man was elected president of the United States. The birther movement is racists in denial.If Obama brings out a BC, they will call it a forgery.
Doug - that is exactly what happened. You can't mention it because you are throwing down the race card, but that's exactly what it is. And quite correct - if he produced one it would be immediatly written off by the tin-foil hat crowd as a fake. It's a lose-lose really.
actually commonsense isn't a requirement for the followers! again so even if it gets dismissed in court an attorney has to go to court and dispute...this is the law! unless he shows up which is not happening. so what is your point! again very simple show the long-form and it is over!
When the birthers all sign off on the offer that they will STFU if he shows the long form, I will eat my hat.
This is a game. If Obama jumps through this hoop, they have another.
that is an excuse and you know it! I will admit it gladly! I want my president to be legit, even if I do not agree with him. I think he is PROBABLY born in Hawaii but think he is hiding something. why else would he divert and pay to not show? especially that amount of money? sorry very strange! right away with the race card...I bet there are people that are racist but they are stupid because he is white also! why can't someone think this without being racist? enough with that garbage already, it is totally played out. when something smells bad it usually is and to simply show your birth certificate which he claimed he found in HIS own book and play these games it nothing but smells!
A more interesting question is who's funding the lawsuits?
Quite interesting Ralph - that question never came to my mind, but damn if it isn't perhaps the most important question to ask. You got any leads?
How do you spell "KKK"?
Not that it's that organization but why would anyone send money to pursue a suit that has no factual basis?
"The question was what proof do you have of any specific amount spent in defense of these suits?"
None at all, obviously.
No, you made a statement about the pres spending $2 million, I asked for proof.
No twisting on my part.
What's sad is that Danny actually believes it to be true!
you're not suggesting that our Danny is gullible are you!
I guess this isn't true either.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_Bar … in_college
he is hiding a lot of info from the people? why?
keep avoiding a simple question, just shows your twisting.
Well why do you keep avoiding a simple question? Proof of him spending $2 million.
Right here pal!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … lion-lega/
It's too long and full of facts, Ron.. most won't read the entire article.
Trump knows better but is just showboating, pandering to the high percentage of Republicans who, according to polls, have succumbed to propagands and have doubts about where Obama was born and about his religion.
go ahead and add things to the list now! show me where he said Obamas religion. please show me I would love to see it. this is a very simple question and for someone who would spend time and money to not show is hiding something! nobody wants to answer the simple question "would you spend 2m to not show something that you claim your had? Obama wrote in one of his books that he found his birth certificate! so show it! would you and why or why not? simple question i will wait for your answer.
Pain is shopping for the VP slot with Donnie. She can read the polls and she's no longer a contender for the top spot. She hopes she can dangle the evangelical block.....
now there's a ticket to make us proud, Trump and Palin.
the white house will get a new coat of shiny metallic gold paint with 'you betcha' yelling across the lawn. wink, wink.
This is a non-issue to the swing voters – the birth announcements in two papers, the birth record, the fact that McCain’s investigators found nothing, and the fact that even Palin says she believes he was born in Hawaii.
However, the more Obama can fan this and make his critics look like nothing but conspiracy nuts, the less likely the swing voters will be to side with the critics. Even if it cost 2 million, it might be worth it to marginalize your critics.
McCain???????? He keep shooting himself in the foot, and besides, he does not have the kind of money, Trump has.
Somthing just is not right here.
so you think being deceitful is a good idea for someone who is the president of the USA? do you think he knew from the beginning that this could help him but not being transparent as he preached in the election for president? he spent money to start even before he was elected! You also conveniently just took part of what Palin said, why not all of it??? I too believe he was PROBABLY born in Hawaii but is Hiding something to spend $2m and not show a simple Long-Form. actually if you read his books he stated in one that he found his birth certificate! Did you believe him when he said he never heard reverend Wright speak like that in church? you do know he went to that church for 20 years and even dedicated a book to him. all these things are important to me and many others and he should do as he preaches, transparency!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_off … overnment/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fed … _blog.html
Uh...I think it might be a job requirement...anyways, what I said is that none of this matters to the swing voters. I really don't care one way or the other. I'm agnostic...
If it were me though, the long form would be the October surprise...marginalize, then ridicule the critics...
Oh I am with you, this is so boring already. All the proof isn't enough he MUST be hiding that he is Muslim. Right, I checked both my sons Birth Certificates and no where does it say their religion. Doesn't say it on mine either. It states my name, City and State, my parents names and the date. It has a seal. That is it. There is no "long form". There was no birth announcement in the paper though and no one remembers my being born there so it could all be a bunch of lies as a conspiracy created 50 years ago on the off chance I ever run for president.
in your own statement you said it has a stamp! well his does not and nobody signed it either. I also bet yours has a doctors name and signature as mine does. I was also born in the 60's.
mmmm...no no doctors name or signature and it was my understanding on a recent program I saw that it did in fact have a stamp...hmmm...
Obama IS THE PRESIDENT.
The burden of proof is on the racists who want to claim otherwise.
There is no evidence that he was NOT born in Hawaii. There is plenty of evidence he WAS. NOTHING will ever satisfy the birthers. The group is comprised entirely of nut jobs who aren't gonna vote for an upping minority.
In case you haven't noticed, there are more pressing issues.
right away the race card!! is that all you have? nobody can answer a straight simple question of would you spend $2m on stupid attorneys not to show your birth certificate! again he wrote in HIS book that he found it! so why not show it! and as for being president that is even more reason to prove your legit! NOT a single disputing attorney has seen such, just some BS websites that show a certificate of birth that is not even stamped and signed by anybody! yeah that is 10000% proof. no hospital in Hawaii has him being down as born there, the family said 2 different hospitals and you say this is nothing? would your family know what hospital you were born in? other names are registered in these hospitals the day he said he was born but not his? it seems very odd. he claims transparency but refuses to release and spend on this simple request shows he is hiding something!
Did you post a link to the $2,000,000 you claim was spent to defend the president?
Is it free to send an attorney to court? he had 100's of court cases around the country, I guess that is free...right? Trump is the one who said that amount, I do not know how he came up with that exact number but I'm certain the man knows what he spent and has people telling him. I do not care if it was only 10k it is still ridiculous to not show something you claim in your own book you found and go through this nonsense.
You made the statement Danny, back it up!
can not answer a simple question? I asked for proof of a signed and stamped birth certificate did you show first? I did ask first you are responding from my post. I asked many if they would spend money on attorneys to show a simple birth certificate. not one answer! just throwing BS race garbage or he proved it, NOT once did he show the court any papers! have you read the court findings???? using legal ways so he has not shown the court and BERG and the other in California were not shown anything! these attorneys would have dropped it already he is using BS tactics not to show. also please answer if this pastor is racist. I'm very curious. thanks
Sorry, you aren't getting off that easy, Danny. You started off with the statement about the $2Million. Either put up your proof or admit you don't have a reliable link! I'm sorry, but your past statements do not engender confidence in your opinion only.
Apparently, you expect to get by with making bold statements without having to back them up. Not this time. Either post a link or hold the Maio!
your the one who can not answer the question I posted first, now you want to dash around like your right! I clearly stated that I'm going on what Donald Trump as stated and I believe this man would not throw a number out without proper knowledge, did you not comprehend that when I wrote it? also it is obvious that to send an attorney to court costs money! is this free? I also stated that I do not care if it was only 10K why go through all that if you can show it. He claims in his book he found his birth certificate. The court cases were dismissed not because of evidence but because of loopholes from the attorneys! these are facts look up the court cases. so again something sooooo simple and this man refuses to show definitely does not look good! he should practice what he speaks!
And oh yeah, Palin is pregnant with Trump's baby! At least that's what someone said somewhere, but don't ask me to prove it! How's that? Enough info for you.
Your=this is "your" opinion!
You're=You are("you're") having a bad day!
This is a writer's site, Danny. Learn the difference in these two words if you can. I don't want visitors to think we are all illiterate here.
oh is this another way to change the truth of a simple answer! does it make you feel manly???? I bet it does! I bet I could find mistakes on some of your posts. anyway, just for your info, If everyone was a writer who would read this stuff????? you are ridiculous! I never claimed to be a writer. do you make millions or even a living off this site big guy??? LMFAO did you even ever get a check from hub pages???? I know I will not get an answer for that either. keep spinning maybe one day you will align the brain correctly.
Not trying to change any truth, Danny! No, I don't depend on HubPages to pay me, I get paid by Google Adsense and Amazon every month for my articles posted here and elsewhere. I can understand why you don't, though.
You really don't understand that your poorly constructed Tea Party rants only make you look worse, do you? You are hurting your party much more than helping it with posts which make you appear less than literate. But keep it up, I enjoy a good laugh as well as anyone!
The birth certificate garbage is only believed by gullible people who know no better. Is it too much trouble to actually learn to differentiate between similar sounding words? If so, I understand your confusion when faced with actual facts.
And yes, it is embarrassing to me for visitors to look at your posts and gauge the ability of the serious writers by your silly posts here. Just because you don't make any money here doesn't mean no one else does. Don't compare your results with actual writers here. I'm at least glad you don't claim to be a writer.
Do you have your birth certificate? I don't have the faintest idea where mine is. So I guess I'll never be president although I'm a citizen and served in the U.S. Army.
I do have mine. again why can you not answer my question? also if you do not have yours there is a record in the hospital or if your very old then they can go by other things as if you were in the military and some other ways. how did you get social security? again if you have your birth certificate would you spend 2m to fight to not show it and have men in the military asking for it, millions of people who should be important want to see it. what would you do? also you know he was in a Indonesian school and name was changed? these are all legit reasons also. and you can look it up the cases in court were stopped but not by EVIDENCE findings! which means he did not prove to the court. they found a loop hole.
$2,000,000 Trump says? What an effing joke!
Are you seriously thinking the president is going to leave office because of assertions by wackos concerning his birth certificate? Yep, you are the type Trump and Palin depend on to buy their line of garbage! You and OILY both
yeah, trump is a joke. are you smarter or richer than him???
I effing doubt it! who said the president is leaving office???? he sends lawyers that cost money! you really have a problem comprehending don't you? You are the type to buy and drink the koolaide of the socialist party! is this how you avoid commonsense simple questions? either say race, do not answer or change subject when clueless. great..your brilliant! still no simple answer from anyone! before calling people jokes you should look in the mirror.
Where did the $2 million figure come from? I don't recall seeing it anywhere. Anyway, it's not hard to run up a couple of million in legal fees these days.
it is hard to run up 2m? at 500 an hour and multiple lawsuits are you kidding?
Big time lawyers charge significantly more than $500 an hour. Anyway, I'm waiting to hear the source of the $2 million figure.
Here's something on the figure. It seems to have come from the birthers themselves.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/01 … legal-bill
So the figure is an anal extraction. (That is, you pulled it out of your @$$.)
"nobody can answer a straight simple question of would you spend $2m on stupid attorneys not to show your birth certificate! "
And you can't seem to answer a straight question of how do you know Obama spent even one dollar on this issue, let alone $2M?
No proof is good enough for you when you like the unsubstantiated accusation. Why isn't actual proof good enough for you when you don't like the fact?
where is the actual proof? I also guess attorneys are free to fight lawsuits? it doesn't cost anything ...is that correct? FREE? According to even fact check which is BS because I truly doubt the United States would let a web company verify the presidents certificate of live birth. How come Obama is fighting in court to show the court his official which your factcheck had stated the state of Hawaii has? Not one court case was dismissed on evidence! just on legality. If you have nothing to hide why fight? If that is not a legitimate question then you are the one who has a problem! Not one of you obamabots can answer a question, just shoot racism, deflect simple questions and twist. In his own book he stated he found his Birth certificate. I think he was Probably born here but to fight this instead of being transparent to not show it tells me he is hiding something! it is not my fault that you do not have commonsense to see all the doubts of millions of people because he refuses to be transparent! if he did not have anything to hide this would not be going on for years. I guess millions of people including lawyers, doctors and scholars have questions but everyone of them are stupid and your the smart one...right? it is very simple show the long form in court and it is over!
like I stated but you obamabots can not comprehend, who cares if it is 20m or 10k to have attorneys go to court and get this dismissed without showing the court evidence and getting dismissed on legal issues just makes this very obvious that he is hiding something! not one of you bots would answer a simple question and you do not have a reasonable response so you twist and divert from the real question. you give ridiculous excuses ...he doesn't have to show, if he was white (which he is half white) you wouldn't be saying this etc... the media says 51% of the republican party believes something is not right with this and then they say,to make it seem small 11% of the population thinks this way, well if 51% of Republicans think that and like 40% of the population is republican how is this 11%? I'm a registered democrat and know a lot other dems who believe he is hiding something to simply not show or release his long-form then that number is even much greater then 11%. even if 11% do not believe that is millions of people! why would someone who holds the highest seat in American want to not put this to bed?
"where is the actual proof?"
Of the $2M Obama spent? Nowhere at all; you haven't shown any. Not even a link to a partisan blog, which might have had a legitimate source of some kind, anyway. But nope, you got nothing.
Or were you talking about the proof of Obama's birth? Many people, myself included, have linked to that, many times. But the birthers are either unable to process the information or else wilfully denying that it exists.
I don't really care which it is. Both are bad; evidence of either stupidity or mendacity.
There is an actual birther website: http://www.birthers.org/
Among the relevant facts revealed: Chester Arthur was not a U.S. citizen!!!
Oly, why did you not protest this outrage? I know you were only in your 20's at the time, but still you could have done something!!
Why oh why did you let us all suffer needlessly under the Arthur regime's tyranny?
It's pretty easy to order one, though - if you know where you were born. We did that for one of my kids when the copy we originally had was lost. It was really only the mildest of hassles to do so.
http://defendourfreedoms.net/2010/09/18 … ayahu.aspx
“Anybody who does not take Obama’s word at face value will be harassed by brownshirts like Rachel Maddow,” said Taitz.
Among those requesting her online friendship, Taitz said, are House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA), Rep. Mary Bono (R-CA), and Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele. She has even received a request, she said, from someone saying they are Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “I personally checked [the request] and determined that it came from his office,” Taitz said."
How can something as simple as showing a birth certificate in order to run for president left out in the "Things we need to know about the candidate prerequisites."
Seriously somebody goofed. That should be one of the first things they asked for, and become public record, for all to see. How hard is that to do.
Obama's birth certificate was made public almost three years ago. It's a fact.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 … e_usa.html
another good source
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … rtificate/
But I think most birthers will never believe it, simply because they don't want to.
Here's some more on the topic:
Obama Conspiracy Theories
I don't know why we're wasting our time on this b.s.
Here is Wayne Madsen:
"Madsen has some twenty years experience in security issues. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. Madsen was a Senior Fellow for the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a privacy public advocacy organization.
Madsen is a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) and the National Press Club."
He says it is Netanyahu putting pressure on Obama because he wants Obama to allow more settlements, and he wants Obama to attack Iran. He says Netanyahu is the one who sent Orly Taitz here, to get this "Birther" thing going...she is a Russian Jew. Her husband is into some murky dealings here in USA..they were "set-up" on a blind date, and she moved here to be with him. S H A D Y.
Her husband, involved in "Octopus". google it!
http://web.me.com/donnicoloff/directlig … ic%22.html
Here is the web-site on Octopus. This is high-level operatives here....this is something way beyond a simple birth certificate.
Sarah Palin also claimed "it was time to stand by North Korean allies", that Africa is a single country and that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.
Should we really be holding up what she says as important? I'd rather take my views from my pet hamster.
the president said we had 57 states does that make him unbelievable???
You said he spent $2 million dollars, does that make you unbelievable?
well we know for sure there is not 57 states, can you prove he didn't spend that?????? lets see this response!
Are you seriously suggesting that the President doesn't know there are only 47 states in the union?
It's not up to me to prove the unprovable, you made the claim therefore it is up to you to prove it.
Sorry, but that's the way it works.
And any accusation of twisting will be taken as proof that your claims are totally without foundation
I would not expect you to give a viable answer. thanks again.
What do you mean? It's a perfectly viable answer.
To reiterate, you asked me if I would spend $2 million and I asked for proof that $2 million had been spent.
Do stop twisting.
you can not answer a simple question? wow really shows you have no real answer. we will try another way even though we know it costs money to send attorneys to court to get things dismissed. Lets say it will cost you 1M to fight showing your birth certificate(long-form) would you being the holder of the highest office in the nation spend that money or just show what you admitted you have? there It is a hypothetical question, can you answer that big guy?
Yes I can answer a simple question and I have. Show me the evidence, don't expect me to take part in a hypothetical debate.
you just proved your full of $hit! now you want to play that socialist BS because you do not have a real smart easy answer that would not make you or any of the other protectors look ridiculous and foolish. you are the king of twist, better than chubby checker!
Oh I think not Danny,it's not me answering questions by asking other questions.
This is very simple to resolve, just give me evidence of %2 million spent.
I'm afraid that if anybody is looking ridiculous and foolish,it isn't me. I haven't spent the last 24 hours avoiding a simple answer.
I'm a rank outsider at twisting compared to you Danny.
Let me ask you one more time for proof that Obama spent $2 million on hiding his BC. An easy challenge and well worth it to make me look silly and wouldn't you just love that.
Like I stated, You can not answer a simple question because it makes you and others look ridiculous! why is it so hard to release the long-form? for the highest office in the United states you would think it is very important to not want to hide anything! very simple but he preaches transparency but does not stick to his own words! why should anyone trust someone who is sneaky? especially for the top office? he never produced it in court and all cases were dismissed not because of evidence but legality! if he had nothing to hide he would show it! most people believe he was probably born here but his sneaky ways and not just ending it by showing the long-form is very telling! I never expected an answer from you because you have no leg to stand on....you just proved me right! thanks. keep twisting chubby checker
And what exactly has that got to do with him spending $2 million?
Admit it, you pulled that number out of the air and then we can move on but until you do,you're just ducking and dodging and trying to muddy the waters by accusing me of somehow avoiding the issue, which is,prove that Obama spent $2 million avoiding showing his BC, and that despite plenty of evidence that he has actually produced it,OK,not the long form but one perfectly adequate to prove his birth right, unless you are one of those saddos that think it really important to know the name of the doctor who delivered him
You look more and more ridiculous the more you duck and dive.
If you knew how to comprehend when you read you would see where I stated I came to that number! but your the twister.
The "Transparency Administration" leader needs to set the example. If Obama were a white republican, the press would have been hounding him for the birth certificate from day 1. Perhaps the sealed record might have mysteriously become unsealed as was the case with Obama's original republican opponent in the Illinois senate race. Think of it ladies and gentlemen, had that sealed divorce record not become public knowledge, there would not be a President Obama today.
again no doctor, hospital etc... not the long form. why so hard they said it exists? even in his book he said he found his birth certificate! why not show? transparency remember...he said that too! and while we are at it be transparent about his school records! this is a real stand up guy for preaching transparency...no
great response once again! keep twisting! do the twist as you did last summer....yeah lets twist again like we did last year!!! round and round we goooooooooooo
You're pathetic. You've no basis for argument or discussion.
All you are good for is insulting and dodging.
your dodging!!! you can not answer a simple question! I even put it another way and you TWIST!!!!!! you have nothing and dodge and twist as always! you did not even respond when I replied to the London paper wrote on foreign policy! ....I know you did not see it! but you responded to every other One I replied to. you are the pathetic one my friend, you even said you do not need to go to the bank? why? are you broke and cash your government checks at the check cashing place? not capable of having a big boy checking, savings and money market accounts? Is that why your so filled with hate for people who have money?
Oh well, maybe not quite so pathetic, you've forced another response out of me.
You know I didn't see your response to the London paper one but still I didn't respond to it! Damn it, I'm not that smart that I can answer posts that I haven't seen.
Why do I rarely go to the bank? Because I have no need to, all my customers pay directly into my bank account and any moving around of money, well have you never heard of internet banking? You should try it, even you should be able to manage it.
When I need cash I either use an ATM or get cash back when I purchase something with my debit card.
Remember that we are all equal here, you don't make the rules, it is not your place to demand that others should pay attention to your distraction techniques.
Oh, and where do you get the idea that I hate people with money? I only hate those who have unearned money and who tell everybody else they should have less of it so they can have more.
Wow I'm honored I received an actual answer from you! did I strike a cord? I was just asking a question, thank you for the answer! very good one I might add. proud of you Johnny boy! you should do the same with all other questions. but I know this one you could actually defend and I was truly hoping so, hence a real answer! thanks again
Funny,I thought as a matter of courtesy I should go back and reply to your response to my post re the "London Paper" erm, you didn't make one.
www.telegraph.co.uk it does exist.
THIS FROM THE ” LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH” EDITOR, ALEX SINGLETON
This is a very sobering article. Our handling of relationships with the Britons over the oil spill won’t help either.
From The London Daily Telegraph Editor On Foreign Relations
“Let me be clear: I’m not normally in favor of boycotts, and I love the American people. I holiday in their country regularly, and hate the tedious snobby sneers against the United States . But the American people chose to elect an idiot who seems hell bent on insulting their allies, and something must be done to stop Obama’s reckless foreign policy, before he does the dirty on his allies on every issue.”
One of the most poorly kept secrets in Washington is President Obama’s animosity toward Great Britain , presumably because of what he regards as its sins while ruling Kenya (1895-1963).
One of Barack Hussein Obama’s first acts as president was to return to Britain a bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office since 9/11. He followed this up by denying Prime Minister Gordon Brown, on his first state visit, the usual joint press conference with flags.
The president was “too tired” to grant the leader of America ’s closest ally a proper welcome, his aides told British journalists.
Mr. Obama followed this up with cheesy gifts for Mr. Brown and the Queen. Columnist Ian Martin described his behavior as “rudeness personified.” There was more rudeness in store for Mr. Brown at the opening session of the United Nations in September. “The prime minister was forced to dash through the kitchens of the UN in New York to secure five minutes of face time with President Obama after five requests for a sit down meeting were rejected by the White House,” said London Telegraph columnist David Hughes. Mr. Obama’s “churlishness is unforgivable,” Mr. Hughes said.
The administration went beyond snubs and slights last week when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton endorsed the demand of Argentine President Cristina Kirchner, a Hugo Chavez ally, for mediation of Argentina ’s specious claim to the Falkland Islands , a British dependency since 1833. The people who live in the Falklands, who speak English, want nothing to do with Argentina . When, in 1982, an earlier Argentine dictatorship tried to seize the Falklands by force, the British — with strong support from President Ronald Reagan — expelled them.
“It is truly shocking that Barack Obama has decided to disregard our shared history,” wrote Telegraph columnist Toby Young. “Does Britain ’s friendship really mean so little to him?” One could ask, does the friendship of anyone in the entire world mean anything to him?
“I recently asked several senior administration officials, separately, to name a foreign leader with whom Barack Obama has forged a strong personal relationship during his first year in office,” wrote Jackson Diehl, deputy editorial page editor of the Washington Post, on Monday. ” A lot of hemming and hawing ensued.” One official named French President Nicolas Sarkozy, but his contempt for Mr. Obama is an open secret. Another named German Chancellor Angela Merkel. But, said Mr. Diehl, “Merkel too has been conspicuously cool toward Obama.”
Mr. Obama certainly doesn’t care about the Poles and Czechs, whom he has betrayed on missile defense. Honduras and Israel also can attest that he’s been an unreliable ally and an unfaithful friend. Ironically, our relations with both Israel and the Palestinian Authority have never been worse. Russia has offered nothing in exchange for Mr. Obama’s abandonment of missile defense. Russia and China won’t support serious sanctions on Iran . Syria ’s support for terrorism has not diminished despite efforts to normalize diplomatic relations. The reclusive military dictatorship that runs Burma has responded to our efforts at “engagement” by deepening its ties to North Korea .
And the Chinese make little effort to disguise their contempt for him.
For the first time in a long time, the President of the United States is actually distrusted by its allies and not in the least feared by its adversaries. Nor is Mr. Obama now respected by the majority of Americans. Understandably focused on the dismal economy and Mr. Obama’s relentless efforts to nationalize and socialize health care, Americans apparently have yet to notice his dismal performance and lack of respect in the world community.
They soon will.
–London Daily Telegraph editor — Alex Singleton
How old is that Telegraph article?
Gordon Brown resigned May 12,2010.
Just days after his infamous "bigoted woman" remark was caught and aired on tape.
Oops! Damn those live microphones!!!
today sweetie. here is the link and it is by singleton.
http://inthisdimension.com/2010/06/04/L … -on-obama/
Again, there is no newspaper called the "London Daily Telegraph" Even your link contradicts that, but far more importantly and indicatively the Editor is not Alex Singleton.
He is but part of the leader writing team and does nothing like carry responsibility for the whole paper.
You'd think that any site with an ounce of integrity could get that simple fact right.
There's a difference between a slip of the tongue and not knowing enough to be able to get something right.
There's also a difference between a slip of the tongue and geniunely believing something wrong.
Do you genuinely think that Palin is worth gaining a view point from or are to looking to bash Obama. Bashing Obama's fine, but don't get into bed with an absolute fool to do it.
Danny, Oly and the like....
I can be an a-hole, but I really am most concerned for the truth, and the good of my country and humanity at large.
I care not a whit what Obama's pecadillo's are---until Buscho is brought to Justice, I can't even think about BO.
But---if you go here:
Scroll to the bottom, there is something called The Obama Files.
You may get some answers to your nagging feelings there. IF you believe this guy, that is.
Historians are still discussing the birthplace of Chester Arthur. Them darn racists lol.
http://articles.boston.com/2009-08-17/n … -president
FAIRFIELD, Vt. - Finding the birthplace of President Chester A. Arthur is easy: Turn left at Town Hall and its Chester A. Arthur Conference Room, go past Chester’s Bakery, and turn right on Chester A. Arthur Road.
Nearly 5 miles up the winding two-lane country road, past rolling hills and dairy farms, is the tiny Chester A. Arthur Historic Site, proclaiming the spot where the nation’s 21st president was born in a cottage.
Or was he?
Nearly 123 years after his death, doubts about his US citizenship linger, thanks to lack of documentation and a political foe’s assertion that Arthur was really born in Canada - and was therefore ineligible for the White House, where he served from 1881 to 1885.
Very interesting historical context, Reality Bytes.
Are there really people out there still digging into Chester A. Arthur's birthplace?
You know, President Kennedy was born in a house. The house is in Brookline, Massachusettes, I believe.
Therefore, there would be no hospital record.
Is it possible that those rascally Kennedys are covering something up? Maybe he was not born in the United States???
Inquiring minds now have doubts
I think that the current controversy has resurrected the old.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32440943/ns … _politics/
Thank you for sharing. That was really interesting!
Wasn't it, though?
Do you think that's where the current crop of birthers got the idea?
The scary thing is that when someone makes a claim it takes on a life of its own. It becomes the accusee's responsibility to prove it false. Unlike in our courts, where it is the prosecution's job to prove guilt, not the defendant's job to prove innocence.
The court of public opinion doesn't work that way....
One good smear (Swiftboaters, anyone?) is all it takes.....
As for Trump...
Just this morning on CNN they put Trump's claims about Obama's grandmother stating "emphatically" that Barack was born in Kenya through the "FACT-O-METER."
It came up as FALSE.
I agree with those who see this as a ploy to discredit detractors. Boy are they gonna look ridiculous WHEN Obama picks his moment to prove them wrong.
Why isn't Trump focusing on what he CAN do for the country?
Given how unhappy the TP base is with the budget compromise, he could really score points by offering some FINANCIAL wisdom instead of this birther bullsh$t.
And Palin's star is falling rapidly. Not that she ever had anything original to bring to the discussion....
Well this is confusing.
Here's what came up when I clicked into the link.
"By Alex Singleton Politics Last updated: March 11th, 2010"
And even then the article is not the same article that you originally posted referencing Gordon Brown.
Ok, we get the point. Some columnist in Britain is po'd that Obama is talking to Argentina.
Alex Singleton is entitled to his opinion. Just like everybody else.
I would like to hear from some UK hubbers what the Telegraph is all about. It appears to be an all-purpose paper with a heavy does of entertainment over news.
John Holden, et al? Can you tell us Yanks if this newspaper is the UK equivalent of the National Enquirer, The New York Post, or what???
Hi MM, the Daily Telegraph or Torygraph as it is often known, is probably closer to the National Enquirer than the NYT.
It likes scare stories, the more sex, the better, but all done in a very po-faced way.
It isn't the sort of paper with a drifting readership, those who read it tend not to read a lot else, those who don't read it regularly tend not to read it at all.
Much too right wing for my taste.
Fun like having a tooth extracted.
"Obama is a jerk."
"I told you that years ago."
"He's ruining America."
"Well, he wasn't even born here, so what do you expect?"
"When will he force us to pray 5 times a day?"
"When does the mask come of, and the turban come on?"
"The hard-working Americans want everybody to pull themselves up by their Dolce and Gabbana's!"
"Just look at us!"
"How'd you work your way up?"
"I was born into wealth, and you?"
"My grandfather owned the radio-station where I started."
Audience callers: "You two rock!"
"Obama doesn't know how easy he had it!"
"Yeah--he got everything from Affirmative Action!"
OWWWW, that tooth hurts coming out!!!
Doesn't get any plainer than this.
From today's Washington Post "The Fact Checker"
Posted at 06:00 AM ET, 04/12/2011
More ‘birther’ nonsense from Donald Trump and Sarah Palin
By Glenn Kessler
“I just say very simply, why doesn’t he show his birth certificate? Why has he spent over $2 million in legal fees to keep this quiet and to keep this silent?”
— Donald Trump, April 10, 2011
“More power to him [Trump]. He’s not just throwing stones from the sidelines, he’s digging in, he’s paying for researchers to find out why President Obama would have spent $2 million to not show his birth certificate.”
— Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, April 9, 2011
The controversy over the circumstances of President Obama’s birth has erupted once again, courtesy of Donald Trump’s sudden desire to test the presidential waters. He has appeared on numerous television shows and written a letter to the editor of the New York Times, spouting all sorts of Four-Pinocchio innuendo that had long ago been debunked by my colleagues at PolitiFact and FactCheck.org. Their fine work does not need to be repeated, and below we provide links to their articles to address many of the issues Trump has raised.
The charge that Obama has spent $2 million to keep this issue quiet is a relatively new one. (Trump has also said Obama spent “millions of dollars trying to get away from this.”) Sarah Palin also echoed the claim over the weekend when she congratulated Trump for hiring investigators to look into this issue.
(Note to the former governor: The Fact Checker dealt with The Donald in a previous life as a financial reporter for New York Newsday. We wouldn’t bet he has actually hired anyone unless he presented us with the canceled check.)
Let’s examine this latest claim about Obama and his circumstances of his birth.
Barack Hussein Obama II was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m. in Honolulu. His parents were Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. The birth was reported by the state’s two main newspapers about a week or so later, based on information received from the State Department of Health, as thus: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4.”
The above information is extremely controversial to some people, though it requires a highly imagined sense of conspiracy to believe fake birth notices would be placed in newspapers decades ago on the extremely unlikely possibility that the baby would become president of the United States.
Although the Obama presidential campaign posted on its Web site a copy of the birth certificate that would be good enough for him to get a passport (it includes an embosed seal and official signature), the myth persists that he has never produced the actual birth certificate — i.e., the original document held in the state’s files. Generally, however, you don’t get that kind of document when you request a copy of your birth certificate, since birth certificates evolve over time.
A state official has stated that such a document exists, and Obama appears to believe that there is no need to give in to conspiracy theorists by requesting its release. (A more cynical view might be that the president thinks the controversy helps rev up his base and has the added benefit of tying the Republican Party to an extreme right-wing fringe that would never be satisfied with any document that was released.)
So the basic premise of Trump’s question is absurd. Obama has produced a birth certificate — one that would be accepted by the State Department and any court in the land. No legal entity would require the actual original certificate as proof of citizenship. But where does the claim of $2 million come from?
Trump’s office provided this e-mailed answer from The Donald: “It is well known in legal circles that this is the kind of time they are spending on the issue. Isn’t it a shame when all he has to do is produce his birth certificate, which he has not done.”
(Palin’s office did not respond to two requests asking where she got the $2 million figure.)
We don’t think The Donald actually heard this in “legal circles.” Instead, $2 million is a figure that has been promoted by World Net Daily, a conservative Web site that has tried its best to fan the flames of the birther movement. In a number of articles, it has speculated that all of the legal fees spent by the Obama campaign since the election have been devoted to defending the president against a series of lawsuits concerning the certificate — all of which have been ultimately dismissed as frivolous.
According to Federal Election Commission filings, since January 2009 those legal fees total $2 million.
The filings do not break out exactly how much was spent on the lawsuits and Obama campaign officials decline to engage in “birther” questions. But it’s pretty clear that the bulk of the legal spending was devoted to other matters, such as winding down the campaign and defending against FEC investigations into the financing of Obama’s presidential bid. John McCain’s campaign, which did not raise nearly as much money as Obama, has spent $1.3 million on legal fees since the election, according to an article last month in Roll Call.
Also, it seems a bit strange to criticize Obama for spending money to defend himself against lawsuits that have no legal merit. Palin should have sympathy for his position. She said she resigned her governorship because she ran up $500,000 in debt defending herself against what she called frivolous claims.
“You can file a frivolous ethics charge, and many were filed against me, and I won all of them, but it doesn’t cost the person who is filing them anything. They can just make something up, and in fact they did make a lot of things up,” she said on Mark Levin’s syndicated tadio show in 2009. “So it was over half a million dollars in legal fees that I was accumulating to defend against frivolous lawsuits that were getting thrown out one by one.”
The Pinocchio Test
There will always be cranks, conspiracy freaks and fringe operators in our political system. It is certainly important to raise questions that have not been fully addressed. But it is bizarre to see two possible presidential candidates give support to absurd and false claims that have been debunked time and time again.
Four Pinocchios = WHOPPERS
Other ‘Birther’ myths debunked
In his letter to the New York Times, Trump raised other questions that have already been answered by either PolitiCact or FactCheck.org. The New York Times did not provide an annotated guide to this hooey, so here are the relevant links.
“His grandmother from Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth.” False: On the tape, there was initial misunderstanding but then she said he was born in Hawaii.
“His family in Honolulu is fighting over which hospital in Hawaii he was born in — they just don’t know.” Another myth with no basis in fact.
“He has not been able to produce a ‘birth certificate’ but merely a totally unsigned ‘certificate of live birth’ — which is totally different and of very little significance.” Wrong: It is signed and has full legal significance.
“There are no records in Hawaii that a Barack Hussein Obama was born there.” Wrong again, there is plenty of evidence.
“As far as the two notices placed in newspapers, many things could have happened, but some feel the grandparents put an ad in order to show that he was a citizen of the U.S.” Oops, the information was provided by the State Department of Health — not the grandparents.
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"In 2008, the Obama campaign released his birth certificate, certified by the Hawaii Department of Health, and posted a scanned image of it online. The posted certificate states. The certificate also states, "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding". Frequent arguments of those questioning Obama's eligibility are that he has not released a photocopy of his "original" or "long form" birth certificate, but rather a redacted "short form" version. It has also been claimed that the use of the term "certification of live birth" on the document means it is not equivalent to one's "birth certificate". These arguments have been debunked numerous times by media investigations, every judicial forum that has addressed the matter, and Hawaiian government officials—a consensus of whom have concluded that the certificate released by the Obama campaign is indeed his official birth certificate."
That was in 2008, so can we drop this now.
I have a rat's pink hairless ass right here. And strangely enough, I'm not willing to give it up in exchange for what Palin thinks about anything or anyone.
And yet you think we care what you think.
Hmmmmmmmm, you should see a physician about your ass problem.
I don't know what this we business is. Do you suffer from MPD now? Got to admit, that would be a good way to capitalize on hub...
What ass problem?
Unless you are talking about NateSean's rat's hairless derrierre?
by OLYHOOCH6 years ago
HOT DOG, NOW I HOPE THIS ISSUE IS OVER.BREAKING NEWS:WASHINGTON — Saying he has long been “bemused” and “puzzled” over the fascination the controversy surrounding his birth certificate, President Obama on...
by OLYHOOCH5 years ago
That was good. Now, you all have to remember two things. 1. This is about a Birth Certificate. NOT, about Obama, Ploatics, or any PERSON, yet. 2. Also this is about a, Selective Service Card. I will post the first...
by AnnCee6 years ago
Hawaii won't release Obama birth infoJanuary 22, 2011 1:49 AMTHE ASSOCIATED PRESSHONOLULU Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie will end his quest to prove President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii because it's against...
by Brie Hoffman6 years ago
That's it, that's the question. I heard today that they (the Dems) were looking for the birth certificate because they are worried that it will be an issue in 2012.What do you think?
by Doug Hughes6 years ago
THE PRESIDENT: As many of you have been briefed, we provided additional information today about the site of my birth. Now, this issue has been going on for two, two and a half years now. I think it started during the...
by crankalicious6 years ago
Now that President Obama has produced his full birth certificate, should the issue of his birthplace be over?
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