Glenn Beck Rocks!

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BJCposted 14 years ago
The mainstream liberal media can't handle anyone who isn't politically correct.
Yes, Beck gave his opinion and that is his right. People are treating Obama like he's God, he's not.
How on earth can Obama attend a church for 20 years with a racist for a pastor and either not know or disagree? That is not an insignificant issue.
I attended a church for the same amount of time, only it was a multi-racial church and I knew for sure what the pastor's viewpoint was.
On a major issue such as racism, why would anyone want to attend a church where hatred for white people was preached if the congregant didn't agree?
Howabout when Kanye West said George Bush hates black people? Ya know there wasn't such an outcry. That rather says it all.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Regarding Rev Wright, BHO followed his traditional pattern; he supported him, then distanced himself from him, then threw him under the bus. Standard campaign rhetoric, but this time the major media outlets let him get skate on it.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Obama distanced himself only when it became a political contention.
  
  Again, Beck is voicing the majority opinion - even that of many non-white Americans.
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  themarketinganalyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beck is great! How could someone not like him? As far as racism, I think many people have shared his thoughts. If anyone is to blame, it is Obama for having attended church with an anti-American preacher who produces hateful speech; socializes with terrorists and communists; makes outlandish comments about white police officers; and appoints out of the closet communists as czars.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now why is it that only some of us realize that what you said above are facts and is reason not to trust obama????
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, he's fantastic. He's like a parody of a ranting, foaming-at-the-mouth rent-a-gob.
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How about the idea of just doing that which is good? So is Beck doing that much good by hate and fear mongering?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He tells the truth. If you choose to redefine it as "hate and fear mongering" then does that mean are you open to discussion, or not?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  One persons "hate and fear mongering" is another's truth!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's right. Like "the truth" that Obama is a racist. A self-evident assertion repeated by reasonable people.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm so glad you see the light Ron.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think we think alike! Its a twofer!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to see you finally came aboard Ron!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The lobotomy really helped as did the 30 pack I just ran through my beer bong. YeeeeHaww let's go burn O-Bama in effrigy!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's lost it Tex.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can't lose something you never had!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats racist! Ya Redneck!
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think it's incredibly difficult to dispute what "good" is. I can't imagine that spreading fear and contempt is a good thing. If fear and contempt is another person's truth, I beg to differ that it's anything more than a delusion or false perception.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I agree man, Mediscare that was a good one, how soon you liberals forget you do the same things you hate. My favorite scare was Obama's stimulus lies, we will fall off the edge of the cliff if this bill isnt passed! But only 10% has been spent and now we are facing double digit unemployment. You know if you weren't so funny you would be scary!
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  Angel Of Loveposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who's Glenn Beck?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This thread needs an angel of love. Thanks!
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've seen him on Fox TV when we've been on holiday. He's a fat blond rent-a-gob with terrible taste in clothes - he's actually quite funny, really, but some people take him seriously.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You were the same person wanting the "Bitch-fest" to stop because it was becoming "unpleasant" in here! But you certainly don't mind becoming unpleasant do you? Logic defying hypocrites every one of you!
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm only me, not representative of a crowd.
  
  There is a major difference between taking the piss out of a public figure who deliberately courts controversy, and descending pack-like on an individual in a thread here on the forum.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I'm sure you took the "Piss" right out of him, he found your comment on Hub pages and repented...WTF
  There is no difference so don't try to hide the fact you are a hypocrite, don't do what you say you hate and I won't call you on it!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In the interest of non-partisanship, please characterize these commentators for us:
  
  Keith Olbermann
  Rachel Maddow
  Chris Matthews
  Bill O'Reilly
  Tucker Carlson
  Al Sharpton
  Dennis Miller
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Keith Olbermann - Watched a little of his campaign coverage but immediately went back to normal TV!
  Rachel Maddow - Boring,whiny,wants to be Glenn Beck literally!
  Chris Matthews - Are you kidding? Has a man crush on Obama!
  Bill O'Reilly - Pretty good, needs to let people talk!
  Tucker Carlson- Used to be a conservative
  Al Sharpton- Twana Brawley, thats all that needs to be said!
  Dennis Miller-Razor sharp wit,great insight!
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  Dark knight ridesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The problem with all of them, including Beck, is that they base their presentations less on facts than on emotion. They manipulate the public with fear and misinformation rather than rationally looking at an issue and deciding on its merits. But that's why their on TV. They crave attention and rational debate doesn't give that. Showmanship, anger, comedy, that's what the public wants, that's what all these pundits give.
  
  It wouldn't be a problem if American's would take the time to research things themselves and make their voices heard. But we don't we listen to whoever is best able to manipulate us and echos our closest held beliefs.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Appreciate the insight. Thanks!
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, I've never heard of any of them. Can't help. I've only come across Glen Beck on Fox news when we were on holiday. OH puts Fox on for light amusement.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of the above group, Miller and Carlson are worth listening to if you get the chance. Miller is very entertaining to his audience, but talks above the education level of many.
  
  The rest are lesser Becks.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's a good summary. Carlson needs his own show. He deconstructs arguments like no one else.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I havent heard of them either AND I am in the states!
  Wont get cable til we gotta car ,and just dont watch enough TV I guess. Beck I read about ,then watched on youtube. University son mentioned him being ,well I wont say ,lol but similar to how LG decribed him. (loves the sound of his voice) etc talking out his ...
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We don't have cable or anything - just BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV, and Channel 4
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhhhh. Government television.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't go there
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope - ITV and Channel 4 are commerical channels. The BBC isn't government-run, either.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not Government run? And British medicine is free.
  
  "The BBC is the largest broadcasting corporation in the world. Its mission is to enrich people's lives with programmes that inform, educate and entertain. See Mission and values.
  
  It is a public service broadcaster, established by a Royal Charter and funded by the licence fee that is paid by UK households.
  See Royal Charter and Agreement, The licence fee."
  
  "Government responsibility for broadcasting and creative industries in the UK lies with the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS).
  
  Ofcom is the independent regulator and competition authority for the UK communications industries, with responsibilities across television, radio, telecommunications and wireless communications services."
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/purpose/what.shtml
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes...Doctor Who is a well-known socialist who appears regularly on the BBC.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do they play Monty Python re-runs on BBC?
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very rarely, I'm afraid.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  BBC America does. I think it's catching on with a new generation of viewers.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Keith Olbermann - reminds me of a little nippy dog for some reason, but I like his stick-to-it-iveness
  
  Chris Matthews - he's ok. a tad overrated, but ok
  
  Bill O'Reilly - pompous, bombastic fearsome guy who must be hell to be around in real life
  
  Al Sharpton - played-out old windbag
  
  Dennis Miller - needs to go back to stand-up comedy. BORRRRING. and in love with himself, although i can't figure out why.
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, please, don't forget Sean Hannity. Everything in the name of what's right with a religious twist, including hating anyone who isn't Christian and who is liberal. BLECH.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i only commented on ones i am familiar with...
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  dahoglundposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beck gets carried away but someone has to say these things
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The drama by Beck is warranted. We should all be so concerned.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're right on target as always! I also wonder why the mayors race in Atlanta isn't getting much press, Hmmmmm.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  CNN is in Atlanta, that's why. How many people have every heard of Freaknik and what actually happend?
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
I like Beck, although he's hard to watch sometimes (overly histrionic) and I don't really watch him all that much - once or twice a month is enough. Except when there is a particularly interesting event in the news.

He's point, I would say, in a growing awareness of how we're being sold out as a country.

That's what I like about him.
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maven101posted 14 years ago
I agree that Beck gets a little carried away at times...the guy shows passion, and I like that in a person...passion with intelligence...

I was very impressed, and not a little concerned after watching his week-long series on Obama's Czars...Circumventing congress sounds like a Rahm tactic...Pushing one's agendas without scrutiny smells of dictatorship to me...
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  hglickposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And the reason for the Passion is the overwhelming silent mainstream media on reporting anything against the administration
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, makes one wonder if the media is being bought??
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's already owned - and not by "friends".
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ooh, great response and right on target.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree completely. I wrote a hub on oppression and how to get the masses to scream to for it.
  I believe systematically we have been headed straight towards a dictatorship of sorts as one by one our rights are taken and our governement grows bigger than the "We the people's voice".
  
  I think more people these days have read and are reading our constitution which is rather a good thing. However to apply and stand up for it, to "fight" all enemies foreign and domestic for it is a whole other story.
  
  I get somewhat frustrated and it really does sadden me that the American people (the majority anyway), seem to just be sitting by the wayside watching it all happen.
  
  I see it this way:
  You have those who support the policies IMPOSED by our government.
  Those who are afraid of our government which is really tyranny.
  Those who are unconcerned either way.
  Those who want to take a stand but do not know how.
  And there there are those who have a voice, use it, but it falls on deaf ears.
  
  So where do we go from here? I don't know. It's getting harder and harder to say.
  Obviously this is true (harder to say), when someone in the media has been baraded for freely expressing himself/herself, (like in the case of Beck), it can only mean that the masses meaning the majority, have also spoken and they said "We just flat out, do not care!"
  
  Sad. Very sad. In conclusion, I will add that my dad fought for this country. He served 20 years of his life in the army. He served 2 tours of duty in Korea and 2 in vietnam. He bravely stood up for and in the end died for his country.
  My dad passed away in 2003 due to "service related" disabilities. Our family now wonders when we look at at this "once upon a time.." great nation, if his death like others before and now after his, was in vain.
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  maven101posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, more people are deciding to read the constitution and comprehend the original intent.
  
  The silent majority will be silent no more.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Silent majority? 3 million screaming lunatics constitutes a silent majority?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmmm, have you seen any polls lately? Obama is somewhere between 45 to 50% approval and shrinking, there will soon be a majority! Obama convinced enough moderates to put him in office but by his governance is losing the people he needs, I applaud him for that!
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  tony0724posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have said It b4 and I will say It again Rahm Emanuel Is the Al Capone of politics
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Far more accurate than you may realize.
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  Dark knight ridesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Presidential prerogative, I suppose, much as Bush and Cheney used during their term in office.
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
I think that scares the crap out of everybody. Everyone seems very tense these days and I think the Obama admins direction is the cause.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am the only one arguing for Glenn Beck on the "We are hypocrites and Glenn Beck is the devil" thread, and here you all are having this conversation. Youre killing me!
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oops. you're right!
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BJCposted 14 years ago
Yes, Obama is scaring people with his rhetoric. "Pushing one's agenda without scrutiny smells of dictatorship..." Is an accurate description of this administration's agenda.

The sleeping giant has awoken!!
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jaynap01posted 14 years ago
As Robert Seidman of TV by the Numbers reports

Though a little scandal might alienate advertisers, it's pure ratings gold. Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O'Reilly for the night. But, Beck had more 25-54 viewers than O'Reilly (888K to 876K). (snip) Even though Beck airs before primetime, when there are fewer people watching TV, he had the most 25-54 viewers in the cable news world for the night.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 … ded_c.html

Enough said.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Yes, he rocks. Especially as a speller.
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BJCposted 14 years ago
Beck vocalized what millions are thinking but but have been afraid to say due to being politically correct.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
And the moderates will join the morons who bow to Beck? Not bloody likely.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Morons? I would say that someone who starts a thread entitled "Glenn Beck sinking like a stone" would be very familiar with the Moron label!
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  maven101posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  b]Bold text[/b]
  Tex..You have to give Ron a little slack...Folks living in Flagstaff don't get out much...kind of a self=contained liberal lifeboat still stuck in the 60's...:lOl:
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, Maven, lol, but explain Sedona's wealth and their lean mainly left, . Transplanted New Yorkers and other city folk?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, we don't have to "get out" to be subjected to right-wing nonsense. We have a contingent who stands in front of planned parenthood with posters of aborted fetuses, (their version of rational discourse).
  
  Hell, the national Tea Party is even coming to visit next week.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Calling people morons is rational discourse? Boy, I say boy, your bread ain't all the way done!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course referring to morons as morons is rational. If you would get up from your keyboard occassionally you might also notice that the sky is blue.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are right me calling you a moron is rational! Just kidding, I have been at this keyboard a lot more than I really wanted in the past couple of days, so I will take your advice and leave it. But before I do let me say "I am right and you are wrong!" Ahhhhhh, I feel better!
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What's wrong with pictures of an aborted fetus? In fact, it's a latin word for little one. See hub, abortion, it's my choice.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maven try Austin for a while and he may be the most conservative voice you have ever heard! It is a freak show there!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Been to Austin once; great city with great music. I was raised in the bible belt, so I've heard everything the right has to say many times over. It never changes, it just gets a little louder at times.
  
  It may suprise you to learn that I didn't vote for Obama, nor have I ever voted for a left-of center Democrat. There is such a thing as a rational conservative, the problem is they get drowned out by the Becks et al who are better at stirring up the gullible. Ever hear of George Will? Probably not, he doesn't scream much.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I have heard of George Will, I don't live in a cave, Lita may be surprised to hear that. Austin, good ol Austin, The music was great in the early 80's but has since become a caricature of itself. Used to see Stevie Ray for 3 bucks, good times, damn good times. Beck is making points those on the left don't want made, and despite what Lita says about the White House being above it all has got into the mud with many they try and marginalize!
  
  Yes it would surprise me you don't vote for those leaning left, I have not seen anything you have commented on that would give an impression of that. But I have not read all of your comments so I will take your word for it.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You may be too new to have seen my forum thread "Obama's Boner". I disagree with him on many issues, but I don't want my opinions to be associated with the birthers or the idiots calling him a racist. IF people stick to objective facts rather than parroting the rantings of disgraced ideologues, we actually get somewhere. Unfortunately there's no money in it so the mudslingers will continue to have their soapbox.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Name calling is typical of the left.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, like those damned lefties who call Obama a racist. Those bastards!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Better than bowing to the Colts.
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readytoescapeposted 14 years ago
It is interesting for the lying, rabble rousing bastard Beck is supposed to be, his claims and conclusions are typically backed up with the accused’s own words and or actions whether vocalized on tape, in writing or proven associations and he presents them in more than just sound bite form.

If you don’t find what he presents at a minimum as thought provoking and dismiss the “evidence” as rhetoric then you may have to re-examine your political convictions and associations. I find the silence and “no comment from the White House” very suspect if Beck is indeed so wrong.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The White House doesn't comment because it isn't in their best interests to comment. Beck isn't a serious player (he's an 'infotainment' purveyor); he isn't anyone they would want to address. This has always been Obama's policy concerning, basically, public and press relations...even through the campaigning. And very befitting a president. This, incidentally, is why the McCain-Palin campaign imploded (it was Palin...who doesn't understand the difference between validity and reality TV).
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  readytoescapeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Fascinatingly you do not address the evidence Beck proffers, and the White House silence is apparently not just comment, but the office has refused or ignored to answer direct questions of it.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't valid evidence of anything. I've satisfied my need to refute what 'evidence' he presents by simple research and reading of valid sources.
  
  And the White House is entirely wise to approach Beck or Limbaugh or any of the news-entertainment spewers as they have. You don't want a president who would stoop to this level. It's ridiculous.
  
  And to stave off the obvious questioning and need for proof I know that will come in advance....if you are interested, scroll back about 10 pages into the other Beck thread. There are links there.
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  readytoescapeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I saw them and disregarded them as opinion given the source. All anyone has to do is listen these people speak. Interpret what they have said or written on your own rather than make your determination upon someone else’s opinion.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol My job as a writer and researcher (both now and in the past) depends on my ability to determine sources and analyze. I think I will rely on that ability, because it is obviously good enough to pay the bills.
  
  Your writing here, on the other hand, I interpret to be empty rhetoric.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've read in trusted sources you are not an elitist snob, but I cannot stop wondering why do you so often come across as one?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  See Ron's last post, Misha. Explains it. Gotta go.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The white house didn't respond because it already caused an outcry about the white cop comment........
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, but Obama has to make a racist comment about a cop.....
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't seem to understand the term you so recklessly use. Obama said the police acted stupidly (Which was itself a stupid comment) He did not say, "Them Honky muthas better watch out!)
  
  See the difference TK? er........BJC
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is a difference, you just don't get it. obama also commented that if this was a white man, meaning Gates, this wouldn't have happened. Oh, that's right, he didn't have his teleprompter available. Under stress what is in our heart comes out of our mouth.
  What about the comment by Kanye West when he said George Bush hates black people? Where was the outcry then?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't a hubber then, but I would have started a similar thread if I had been. Stupid is stupid, whether it's right or left stupid.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently, I was referring to the media............ got it?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Still not interested in remedial education, . Apparently, I was referring to Ron's comment.
  
  Gotta go. Have a great day, . I'm actually sincerely glad you set up this thread so that some here can express themselves.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, jeez! hahaha Too funny. Well, gotta actually do some work now.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If the Messiah tells his throngs of Obamabots the sky is green rest assured they will argue the sky is green, it takes no evidence for them to believe they have been conditioned to think one way and one way only!
  
  Read some of the comments
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maven101posted 14 years ago
Ron Montgomery wrote:
" Unfortunately, we don't have to "get out" to be subjected to right-wing nonsense. We have a contingent who stands in front of planned parenthood with posters of aborted fetuses, (their version of rational discourse)".

[b]Don't throw stones, Ron, when you have your own loonies and moonbats on the left ( Read Code Pink, ActUp, GLADD, moveon.org, PETA, weather underground, BlackNation, etc,etc,etc...).[b/]
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I were a leftist, that might actually matter.
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maven101posted 14 years ago
Then I guess I'll just moveon.org...later guys..
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "moveon.org" thats just funny!
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BJCposted 14 years ago
There are many more Becks out there who will not be silenced. If Beck goes, then someone else will keep the truth rolling. Racism is evil and Obama is in a position to help make changes, but he hasn't.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You may not be ready for a black president.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Highly unlikely, I've attended church with a black pastor.......... it's his agenda that is the issue.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your comments about Obama critics indicate otherwise.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why, because I don't agree and have the courage to say so? Too many people are afraid to bring his skin color into the issue for fear of being called a racist. To promote a person because of skin color is a form of racism. My daughter in law is not white... so, don't go there.... Many, and I repeat, many of my black friends disagree with obama.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You both realize you are on the same side...Right, or did I miss something
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm lost too. Sorry if I misunderstood.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe, if I misundertood too, accept my apology!
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ankarlo. And Austin Hill, for starters...
  
  p.s. I don't see you as 'racist' BJC - you don't bow to the PC god, which I find admirable. rock on!
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank-you! I'm way too old to bow to the left.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No he doesn't. If anything he fans the flames. Gee, maybe that's why Beck call him a racist. . . ya think?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's the poster boy for social and racial division.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, YEAH - he, Obama, is causing division. Thank you both.
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sparksdaniel2000posted 14 years ago
Glenn Beck does NOT rock, but he does have balls and that's enough for me in today's pool of Cable News network shows...sso I guess I digress, rock on Beck. haha
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  sparksdaniel2000, many thanks for bringing humor into this issue. Yup, he has the gonads to speak the truth.
  
  I have written a hub on racism that rather speaks for itself.
  
  Jesus Christ and Blue Eyes...........Hmm
  
  Racism - learned behavior or inherent behavior?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Another intelligent comment, what are you? Smart?
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Oy!
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hahahhhaaa
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't laugh, Dick Cheney just bought "The Atlantic".
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Slow your roll, and where do the happy faces come from?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She hates it when conservatives are happy.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Has nothing to do with either of you. Appreciate Ron's humor.
  
  Maybe because he reminds me of Andrew Sullivan (editor of The Atlantic), slightly, in his political stance.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  anyway, where do the happy faces come from, or is that classified?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  colon followed by right paren : )
  
  now append them.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Tex, go to the lower right hand corner of the text box when you reply to posts. Click on formatting tips.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  or maybe not
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
cool
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
Tex, I'm surprise by the lack of opposition here. Glenn Rocks because he exposes things the left want to hide. He has been threatened for showing the Acorn tree, and now the Czars are being exposed. Yes, I'm glad there is at least some who have the balls to still investigate and try to make some sense of the Nobama dictatorship. He has my support.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All the opposition was on the other thread, "Glenn Beck is sinking like a stone" it got a little heated yesterday for a completely off topic reason but it was fun. Anybody who asks questions of this administration or any administration has my support, but reading Lita or Sweetiepie you get the idea nothing should ever come between Obama and what he thinks is good for us! "Sheeple", its whats bad for America
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was away for a few days and missed all the excitement, darn.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its still there for the reading starts about page 10, but it got ugly!
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They've been drinking the Kool-Aid!
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LondonGirlposted 14 years ago
I've only ever seen Fox News on holiday, when it's been on the hotel TV. My OH adores watching Fox, he finds it hysterically funny. It's hard to believe it's not a parody, really.

Is Beck the fat blond guy with terrible dress sense?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol. Why yes LG, yes he is.
  
  Great, you Brits are laughing at us, (I don't blame you!)
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
Wow, I went back and read what I missed, seems like there are still some who stick their noses in the air, while looking down at the masses, kinda like Nobama does. I think the word that best fits is elitest. Glad I wasn't able to join in, I too might have said things I'd be regretting now.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well they probably think they are elitist but they are more delusional than they know. Taking an election from Republicans after all the media ranting about Bush was not the hardest thing, they could have run a lamppost and won. So thats the new chant "we won, get used to it" Nah, we'll just take it back again!
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not if you win or loose, it's how you play the game.
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  Bush played the game badly in my opinion and opened the doors for this idiot to play his game. Both parties are screwing us but the Democrats can't figure that out, well some of them can. But not these Obamabots they are the funniest bunch of drones I have seen since, ever.
  
  "Yes we Can't"
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, there will be little difference between Dems and Reps in the bread lines.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats why I hunt no bread line for me.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! You always put your finger right on it jiberish.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Dems will insist that the infirm go to the end of the line and wait while bread is confiscated from those who waited patiently. They will create a culture of dependence by doling out the confiscated bread to those who they have convinced that they cannot feed themselves.
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LondonGirlposted 14 years ago
Not laughing at you, Lita! Laughing at the ranting idiot with crappy dress sense. He's sooo heading for a seizure if he doesn't calm down a bit.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
If you want to see a really racist pol, take a gander at Gov. Paterson of NY.
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BJCposted 14 years ago
jiberish, good to have you back!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They have been drinking something, and it made them stupid
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, the Kool-Aid - remember that??
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I posted to the wrong comment, meant to get yours about Kool-aid, my bad.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No problem. We're on the same page.!!
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kaybumposted 14 years ago
Racism is not really a good thing but can we ever stop that in this society that is one of the big question that we all need to ask ourself.Obama can never be like God because he can never match up with him,but about Glenn beck i dont know what i can say about him.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
It continues to amuse me that righties use the kool-aid line without even knowing what it means. If they understood the term they would realize how foolish they sound using it about anyone but themselves.

Zombies doing whatever Beck commands them to do is the ultimate example of drinking the kool-aid.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but explanations are repetitive and elitist, Ron. Even from you! We just have to butt out of their Kool Aid Dumb as a Rock Fest for Beck. Hey, , maybe they'll all drink it.
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  TamCorposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You know what? I'm not a Democrat, or a Republican, a liberal, or a conservative, nor am I left or right...I make up my own mind on politics on a case-by-case basis--but I do watch Beck with my husband and sons fairly often.
  
  Calling those who actually like this man "Kool Aid Dumb as a Rock Fest" people is just over the top, and offensive, not to mention juvenile.
  
  No wonder my husband advised me to stay away from the political threads.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is a history here, TamCor...a looooooooong history with a few posters.
  
  However, my opinion (satire), humble and juvenile though it may be, is that Glen Beck is dumb as a rock. Except, of course where it counts...in how to rake in $$$.
  
  You really shouldn't take this personally...everybody has a right to free speech, so the Beckians have told me, especially when it comes to calling the president racist.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't worry Lita you have as much right as Beck to speak your mind! It shouldn't take long, after you put your 2 cents in you're pretty much intellectually broke!
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guarantee, we are not broker than you, , lol. And I'm serious about that "ignore," suggestion.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really I retired at 42, whats that you still work? Yes Lita you would be broker than me! But nice try!
  
  You really are an angry person, be happy especially while your young, Or kill yourself...whatever works for you
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whats employment got to do with this thread?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you only read what I write? Maybe you should follow a long a little better!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Didnt think I actually attached your name to my post , and no need to speak down to me.
  
  Maybe you need to get some manners!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, can I have yours?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yea I get it Ron ,and heres me keeping the rap music at bay in our house all these years ,while big people were following this nonsense? and calling it entertainment?
  
  Is it maybe simply because Beck is the voice they cant be...
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, if that top part is true (the retired part), its even more reason to ignore, K?
  
  Architects and writers always have skillzz we can use, .
  
  Really appreciate the plea for me to kill myself. You certainly are class. And no point continuing, as you prove our points on the nature of Beck lovers discourse over and over so obviously.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How's that glass house?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wasn't a plea it was an option out of your hostility, class? Yeah, I really think I should show class towards a person who shows none, nahhhh, you get what you give
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Miou! Would you like a saucer of milk with that?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did y'all hear that? Sounds like a screech, oh its Lita! For a second I thought somebody stepped on a cat.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My Texan, who also hates Glenn Beck, likes the sound, . You should ignore what you find offensive, sir.
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  No, Lita I wont ignore you, I like a little kitty sometimes!
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I do know what the Kool-Aid means. Do you?? Or are you so blind with Obama-aid. People were suckered into believing a man and they drank Kool-Aid laced with poison.
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't, I've never heard of Kool Aid. Enlighten me.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dont ask LG ,just another sugar flavoured pre-mix kinda beverage.
  Must be almost a American icon by now (I think)
  
  Hubby likes Tang ,guess why , it apparently was the juice that went to the moon ... cute
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, sometimes they mix it with poison. Unfortunately, it is made in the USA.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Uh...when your husband asks you for some "tang" he probably isn't talking about a beverage
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Um , he doesnt ask..I said he likes it.
  Must be an inhouse inuendo Ron , cuz I dont what ya meaning?
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like a squash? Add water? What's that got to do with the price of fish? (In political terms)
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  About as much
  
  No sorry , I will let the other guys explain, its symbolic
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why would we not know where the term originated? It was derived from a group of progressives who wanted to live as a collective while they followed a religious wacko. This same religious wacko was a great speaker and enthralled these masses of free thinkers who cared so much for others and convinced them that a fruity tasting substance laced with poison would cure all their ills!
  
  Hmmm, Ron that sounds a little familiar. Do you know where you were when you first heard of Rev, Jim? I do.
  
  Of course some of these free thinkers were smarter than the rest of the goobers so they had to be shot!
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
My hawaiian hula dancers rocks on the dashboard , but she never really goes anywhere unless I drive her there
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats deep!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Flew over the top huh
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BJCposted 14 years ago
Sorenson, you are one hateful individual.

The reason you lefties are so mean is because you're selfish and wrong!

Is it possible for you to get your head out of the sand and see reality?? Probably not.

You keep your elitism and when Obama has the breadlines make sure you give yours to the guy who has more people in his family to feed.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow. You really extrapolate, don't you?
  
  And I'm Danish. The name is spelled with an 'en' at the end, unlike the Swedish, who spell it with an 'on'...since that post was very personal, you might want to ensure accuracy.
  
  *edit: And I continue to be glad that you posted this thread so you all have a chance to express yourselves, sincerely. However, I disagree, and strongly, about Beck. And when I saw Ron (who is funny) post here as well, thought I'd add a bit to the satire. I hope you can understand this...but perhaps not.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
A good debater attacks the topic, and never the person

(scratches head) guess we all went to different schools.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess I was confused with all the attacks on conservatives, was that the topic?
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
nah its the moon thing , hes a 60's baby

very cute pic , do ya got the pilsbury cutie, he rocks!!!
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Yesterday, Glenn Beck said, on his radio program:

I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where did this guy go to school/university?
  
  Pathetic ,the only thing dumber than that statement ,is an employer willing to pay for its distribution.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, there are also his followers. Even Beck doesn't believe half of what he says, he just knows it will stir up gullible, frightened people.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did Glenn Beck really say this? I hope not as I have known some really nice people effected by the fires in my area, and it really troubles me if he feels that way.
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LondonGirlposted 14 years ago
I'm sure he's got a soft, sympathetic side deep down. And his mother probably loves him.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
I took a look at more of what you write. It borders on hate speech. (Actually, I would say it is hate speech...guns, etc. figure prominently.) "Liberals are mentally ill," huh? That must mean you have a feeling that ALL liberals are the way you would describe me, a person you don't know.

Looks like you insulted every person there who called themselves a liberal on that hub with almost the same rhetoric. Therefore, I won't take it personally. And dismiss you for what you are.

BTW, I really am a man. I'm my partner, Matt.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hate speech, damn, maybe Hub pages should be notified.
  
  "BTW, I really am a man. I'm my partner, Matt."
  Dual personalities Great, maybe a few pills wouldn't hurt, whatcha think, Matt?
  
  If you don't like what I write, don't read it, its not meant for everybody. BTW I haven't read a thing you wrote, not interested, Its been fun but I'm watching a show about Iraq and its interesting. That Saddam sure was a mean feller, good thing he's gone!
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very glad. Thank you.
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know, this might sound weird to you all, but I cried when Saddam Hussein was killed. Why? I guess I related to him in so many ways, ya sure I never killed any one with my bare hands, but I killed many souls with the things that came out of my mouth. Holy molly, I should have been hugged and left out to dry, more times then I can count. I had a lot of anger and rage. And it is sad he never had a chance to find life for himself, real life.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well the show is over, I didn't have quite the same reaction to Hussein's death. He was not a nice man and did a lot more than wish bad on others so your thoughts don't really compare to his actions. Then again maybe you're being facetious, how would I know
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I truly am not. I really broke down bad for the guy, just because he did what he did, doesn't mean he still wasn't human. So what are you saying you've never done anything bad or what? Are you a hypocrite? Know thats where your wrong my words are know different then his hands when it comes to killing, they both can slice you up and leave ya looking like chopped steak, after a good beating
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have done bad things but to equate what I have done to what he did and would still be doing I find no comparison, if you do then so be it. Doesn't make me a hypocrite to say my bad does not compare to his. Odd thing to say but whatever.
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So then you say you don't sin. I say thats a hypocrite
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did I say that? where? I am confused are you reading what I am writing? If your looking for an argument then get after it, I'm bored, but if you can't point to where I said I don't sin, then go on to something else!
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Here, "Doesn't make me a hypocrite to say my bad does not compare to his." yes it does because all sin is equal in Gods eyes.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well that may very well be, but if its ok with you I will let him be the final judge not you!
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't call you a hypocrite, you called yourself one , I was just pointing out that mere fact, when you said that your sin was not equal to his.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure read like you called me a hypocrite, is this the best you got? Entertain me or don't bother me!
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey buddy your the one who opened the can of worms, I didn't. You stepped in to your own created hole!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then I will fill the hole back up, Goodbye to you
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bye bye don't let the door hit ya where the Good lord blessed ya
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Render unto Caesar...
  
  If you equate some 'not so nice' words to gassing entire villages to death you need your head checked.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They are beyond understanding or hearing. Nobody should waste their time. Seriously.
  
  This is fun for them... If I did this I'd have trouble sleeping at night. But there is the chance they don't even know what they are doing, too...
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am beyond caring...Dance puppet dance
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It sounds like you have watched the Nutcracker one time too many . Seriously, some of the things said on this thread just get more and more ridiculous.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I read what you said in regards to him on his "mentally ill" hub. You nailed it. God forbid I'm like this when I get older.
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you to are saying the same thing as he is? your a hypocrite? yes? no?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No. And I'm not interested in arbitration. I'm saying I see what Sweetie wrote on his "Liberals are Mentally Ill," hub to be true. The guy is full of anger...it's extreme and he stereotypes and is nasty to anyone of a perceived political affiliation.
  
  However, at the root of that anger, I would imagine, and which is obvious to see, is the need to connect in someway with other people....as you noted.
  
  I'm not interested in giving 'equal time,' or being labeled a hypocrite in understanding we are all human and all sin. I'm already aware of that. However, people who spew hate speech and stereotype are just that. And when it is over the top by reasonable community standards, it is over the top. Telling someone to kill themselves and that they are a pig that should be barbecued, I think, despite political affiliation, we should be able to agree is over the top.
  
  Then there was all the mention of guns and killing liberals.
  
  And yes, I'm 'audacious' to assume I'm right. But it isn't that hard.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not angry at all I just love to tweak the occasional nut! And you are tweaked! You might need to loosen that spring before you pop...yup
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ya lets just build a big barn fire and fried there asses. Is that what your saying?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that is what THEY are saying (and perhaps what you are saying, too). I'm saying people need to realize and take this for what it is. Ravings and rants designed to provoke.
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sound to me your coming right behind them on there tail.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you know the difference between reasonable debate and deliberately provocative (to say the least), or inflammatory hate speech (to label it more accurately?).
  
  And no, I don't particularly feel I need to meet a raving, out of control person telling me that I 'should kill myself' half way.
  
  Do you really think so?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Most people in their seventies and older that I meet are pretty agile, but I think hate can make someone become a little paranoid. There are some conservative extremists in communities I grew up around too, which is why I find it so ironic Glenn Beck said what he said about the people that lost their homes in the fires. That was pretty ironic and just plain sad. I mostly am concerned about people who think Obama is Hitler, the birthers, and others that just talk hatred all day. I have even had several follow me to my hubs and tell me they used to think I was one of the rational ones, as if correcting me like they are my parents is going to win me over to their side. Honestly I think they are not rational, and I have learned a few of the extremists have become obsessed with people that write anything in opposition to their viewpoint.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. You know, it is strange, but I think these strange fighting scenes have actually helped you in some weird way. Your writing (on forums) is more confident than it was a few months ago...don't think I'm imagining it.
  
  I guess all this has had positives, too... MM 'lost' her temper today, too. She can string up a pretty good argument, though, lol..
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually you are right about how I have become more confident on interacting when people challenge me on the forums. In the past I used to shy away from these discussions, but now I am feeling more confident.
  
  As for Mighty Mom I do not think the altercation was exactly her fault. It looked like they both had words with each other, but I did not read the whole thing. That is what I got from the situation. I do not blame her for the frustration when it comes to people not really listening to the other side, etc.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't either. The thing is, she is always so 'diplomatic,' lol. It was good, actually, to see her use her logic and verbal gifts. There is only so much "equal time," or the illusion there of, that one can take.
  
  The assumption that the Kennedy's can't eulogize in the way the want at their dead relative's funeral is unbelievable.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I knew what you meant about how we can only have so much equal time, such as at a funeral. If someone is a true Christian they do not hold bitter grudges against others, no matter the crime. Dead Man Walking is actually a good movie for some people to watch because it is based on the real story of a nun who worked with a murderer. She even was able to show one of the victim's parents that learning to forgive is more healing that holding onto the bitter hate, and this man attended the funeral of the murderer. I am not saying we should forget what Ted Kennedy did, but it does scare me that people cannot forgive the sins of others. We all have ancestors who have probably done horrible things of this nature, thus the hypocrisy in judging Ted Kennedy and his family.
  
  To be honest I was glad to see Might Mom stood her ground, and that was a good thing! I would like to say more actually about some of the comments on here, but it is really not even worth my time. One thing I find frustrating is that even some of the more moderate conservatives are trying to persuade a few of us more liberals posters to see things their way, and deem to make us feel we are not giving equal time if we do not. The irony is even the moderate conservatives are adamantly against certain things some of us liberals are in favor of, such as health care, and why should anyone have to compromise their viewpoints to make others happy? That has been a feeling I get from even some of the more conducive discussions because we all know many people are not budging on key positions.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well! This isn't exactly... sigh. There are some very bright people here, lol. Unfortunately, very few conservatives...lol, anymore.
  
  There are debates where people actually learn from the arguments, and even though they don't agree, take some measure of the other person's position as enhancing their own knowledge. I've witnessed them...been involved in some. Some are even fun (these aren't so much).
  
  And I think right now, the health care debate has polarized everything. It did in the Clinton era; it is doing that now. So many interests involved...it really has less to do with right and left than the appeasement of those interests. Stalemate is where they want us, basically. And that is where we are with this rampant polarization.
  
  And I know what you are saying about wanting to comment but also not wanting to waste your time. Guarantee we will not move or change any minds here. lol But I did really appreciate your posts on the other Beck thread...unfortunately, this kind of writing takes energy, too (sometimes too much).
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I like to be authentic about who I am, and I do tend to be more liberal, I always have, so there will be many times I just do not agree with all that they say. In my experience I do feel others want me to compromise too much at times, but they would not be willing to do that on issues themselves. Also, yes we should not always be polarized, but I also know realistically not everyone is going to agree on everything. Thus, I do pretty much feel the same way I did in my earlier post. These are just the feelings I have when communicating with certain moderate conservatives that really are not willing to compromise on the health care reform. Not all polarization can be avoided realistically. I have learned why they feel the way they do on certain issues, but I have not changed my original support for health care reform if that makes any sense.
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's something I don't get, to be honest. In the rest of the world, the debate was over and done with at least half a century ago.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was/is for me too. Perhaps our 'cowboy diplomacy' or 'rugged individualism.' Another thought I've had is because we are the descendents of Europe's disenfranchised...so many here came to the New World looking for wealth. That desire...although not all bad...has overtaken many things, including some of our best instincts. (Just stuff I think about.) Health care I believe to be a human right.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The debate is over in the U.S. as well. Don't mistake the hissy fits of a tiny but loud minority for actual disagreement among the general population. Obama made a mistake on this issue which he won't make again. He wanted to include the right-wing fringe and respect their viewpoints, weird as they are, when it came to bringing the U.S. into the modern world when it comes to healthcare. The legislation will pass, there's nothing the conservatives can do to stop that, the math simply doesn't work for them. They will scream, they will carry guns to try to intimidate rational people, they will threaten revolution, but in the end they will be overwhelmed by numbers and the better ideals of the majority of the American people.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The majority is on the other side Ron and you know it! Health care may get passed because you are right the Republicans don't have the numbers, but it will spell the end of this administration and Democrat control for a very long time! None of the House leadership or Obama sought to include anyone, more lies that you should stop spreading!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dream on. The Republicans are history and they are starting to realize it. These shrill rantings are the last dying breaths of the GOP dinosaur. You had your chance, you screwed it up, don't cry about it now.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Uh Huh, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  One can always hope we're seeing the end of both parties. The radicals from either side of the aisle are what's destroying us. Right now all we have for choice is warfare or welfare. The group that breaks with both radical sides will be swept into power.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think that the Republicans could take a lot of seats in Congress in 2010 maybe not enough to take over but maybe make Obama move to the actual center which is where most of America is. That center does not include me and I make no apologies for it, but the Country obviously wants to be there!
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It won't be enough I don't think. The radicals on both sides have their hooks into the party apparatus too much to give up power easily. Neocon on one side and Communists on the other, not much to choose between them. The only way to get out of this mess is for the people to enforce a strict interpretation of the Constitution.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Congress will become obsolete soon with the appointment of so many Czars.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It will take citizen politicians to get this thing back on track, those that can should run for office, even if its one seat at a time. Democrats and I mean actual Democrats not the shills you see posting here but real live Democrats feel as strongly as real live Republicans and they should all act!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Correct. And they won't be R'd or D's.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My hope is that they will be L's. Only time will tell. Our only other option, I fear, is civil war or insurrection.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt it will come to that. L's would be a massive improvement, but I think it's more likely that parties themselves will cease to exist.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know. Have you heard Obama's proposal for a new civilian defense force? There's only one reason for a politician or party to want what amounts to a private military force that is not the armed forces of that particular country.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I hadn't. A quick googleing turned up some info; sounds like another "Death Panel" type conspiracy theory.
  
  http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/i … ional.html
  
  Have you actually heard him call for arming these groups? I'm not much in favor of this type of thing, but it seems to be more overreach than sinister.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ron why do we need a civilian defense force when we already have a military? What good is a civilian defense force that is not armed. How many people will an unarmed civilian defense force stop? One that is supposed to be as well funded and powerful as our military. If they're to get the funding our military does, what exactly are they going to spend 500 billion on except weapons, especially when they are to be as powerful as our military. You can't be a military power without weapons. Why have two military forces?
  
  The only parallel I can find is with the SA and SS in the 1920's. And the Freikorps, of course, but they were absorbed into the SA pretty quickly. Hitler then used the destruction of the SA to bind the military to him, without their support, he never would have been able to launch his war.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh my. We almost had an exchange without a Hitler comparison. I knew it was too good to last.
  
  Obama's speech was pretty specific, and didn't include guns. The conspiracy theory makes for good Oliver Stone material, but it's not worth losing sleep over. And with that...good night all.
  
  Here is the relevant portion of what Obama actually said, with the sentences quoted selectively by Broun and others in bold.
  
  Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.
  
  People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.
  
  We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
  
  We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.
  
  This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.
  
  Does that sound like a force that could kick down your door in the middle of the night and haul you off to a Gulag or concentration camp? You decide.
  
  -Brooks Jackson
  
  Again, not a great idea but hardly sinister.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would say this is a relevant statement. We really need this? Are you sure?
  
  "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
  
  We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. We don't need it. Like I said it's a bad idea, but well short of an American gestapo. It was a lame statement made during the campaign to rally the extreme left to the polls. It has no chance of ever happening so why even waste time with it? Because the conservatives are so desperate to blunt Obama's agenda that they will pull stunts like equating an expansion of Americorp to an army of brown shirts kicking in doors of a frightened populace. It's desperate and despicable, but hey; good for ratings.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder what the German people said in 1933 when Hitler said some of the things he said? I am not making the comparison so don't blow a head gasket, I'm just curious if a thing like that could ever happen again?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course it can. It's an issue of liberty versus tyranny. Couple the rise of this private army with the attempt to deprive us of the means to defend ourselves with and...
  
  The really sad thing is that most Democrats aren't behind this sort of thing. We all of us want a better America, but we differ on what that should be. Since we can agree on so few things, that's why I support libertarian views. Each person should be able to decide for themselves what to do, not be given permission by anyone, much less the government.
  
  Another thing not considered is this. The civilian defense force will require that you serve for ten years. Why so long? Heck even our military will only ask for five years after school. Also Americorps amounts to what is free labor. An inadvertent consequence of this plan will be to chase jobs out of the economy. No wage-earner can compete with free.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know it can happen it has happened in Korea Viet Nam Boznia I am trying to make the point that it is possible it can happen here! Is Obama a Hitler? I don't know, he is a megalomaniac with deep seated hatred for the White race, Ron would dispute that because he isn't 100% Black or100% White, I contend he chose the black side so therefore he is! I have never heard him say he is the first 1/2 black President!
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The color thing is just what he uses to misdirect people. It's past time we stopped cutting each other up over things that happened decades or centuries ago and remember that we are all Americans, and what that is supposed to mean. We may not always measure up to that ideal, but we should always be striving for it.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The tactics of tyrants and totalitarian regimes are pretty unimaginative. Would you have preferred I used Juan Peron or the military junta which replaced him as an example rather than Germany?
  
  You're making the mistake of combining the Americorps with the proposed civilian defense force. And no, I don't think any proposed civilian defense force will be able to go toe to toe with our military, it's taken decades to get the level of professionalism we have in our military today. I do think that the expansion of Americorps will provide a pool of bodies for whatever use Obama chooses to put them. The fact that he's appointing czars and other people answerable only to him is distressing and disturbing. According to Pat Caddell, a Democrat, there are people in Obama's own party who are questioning his motives and actions.
  
  Besides, if it's not a great idea, why are we wasting scarce resources on it. Shouldn't we be doing more economical things with those funds?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Upon what do you base that belief?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, President Carter is here now and he'll take care of us, just you wait and see!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Apparently, and the majority have decided they don't want the plan Obama was initially pushing.
  
  http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/More- … hcare.aspx
  
  The key math here is: Piss off voters = out of a job
  
  midterm elections are not that far off.
  
  We know they don't have 60 votes, and 50 is very much in question. The legislation is already changing from what was initially proposed because legislators recognize the public is increasingly pissed at the notion that 'those who know better' would try to ram something past that they don't want. Even as arrogant and out of touch as many of these legislators are they want to keep their jobs and at most will pass something so watered down that it barely resembles what Obama was pushing just weeks ago so he can save face. Obama will then rush to the cameras to say, "See? I did it!" although he will surely know better.
  
  Were they to actually pass the same mess people don't want under a different name then we would see some serious reckoning come 2010.
  
  Let me guess, "rational people" are those who agree with YOU?
  
  The numbers are escaping you at a rapid rate.
  
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Awwwwwwww, it's so cute when doggie tries to talk like people.
  
  Good boy!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's it, try to be 'cute' so you don't have to deal with reality contradicting your false declarations.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Eh, so-so
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  &pageId
  
  The dems are trying to make an end-run, as usual. They're like a bunch of screaming brats who fling themselves on the floor, scream and kick their heels if they can't get what they want. EVERYONE wants an alternative to Bill 3200 that is now on the table.
  
  Well, there is one. Bill 3400, which is a viable alternative to the current Bill. But guess what? Pelosi and her band of fascists have changed the rules in Congress. A bill may no longer be introduced for a vote unless SHE says so. So this alternative Bill is forced to stay in Committee.
  
  Check it out for yourself-
  
  http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view=108440
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you joking? If anything the looney tunes screaming at the town hall meetings are the spoiled little brats lol.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The looney tunes? Oh yeah the American taxpayers, I forgot liberals forget SOMEBODY other than them has to pay for health care!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What happened to the non-judgemental SweetiePie who supports people making their own decisions?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She decided that just would not work in every one Else's favor, show she is back to the Fascist state of mind!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your group is so judgmental and I love being a liberal, so get over it. Liberals are the coolest!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well thats what every adult should strive for being the "coolest!"
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is better than being part of the group that is the angriest! I leave that prize to you .
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Once again, you cannot be a fascist when you are liberal. Being a fascist is a right wing thing, and I give you that honor!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not all liberals are fascists, but all fascists are liberal.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You lack understand of the right wing politics. Only right wingers can be fascist. Someone who is liberal could be a socialist. However, these are all exaggerations on your part.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, How much did you spend on school?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does the DNC not take taxes out of your check?
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe that, because I got a rise out of ya, so there deff something in you that still cares, why bother coming back and looking, if you didn't care?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was referring to Lita's statement. You didn't get a rise out of me you said some things that were just interesting then it devolved into something else. I come back to see if anything is written isn't that why you come back?
  
  No sweetiepie I have never seen the Nutcracker, but I have one
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You need to talk to some Iraqis who lived under Saddam and then ask them if his bloody regime was the same as some nasty words.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
You want another racist pol? Check the rantings of California's Diane Watson.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
You want dangerously crazy? Check Obama's 'Science Czar' Holdren and the forced abortion/sterilization views he seems to have espoused once upon a time. If Obama hadn't circumvented the Constitution do you think this guy would have been approved by the Senate - even this Senate - for ANYTHING?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini … 83612.html
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housedadposted 14 years ago
Leave Glenn, he is just trying to make a living ... geez, no appreciation for a performance artist )
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can wager to guess you probably are outraged by other performance artists other people enjoy. If Glenn makes fun of people that are effected by fires I will state outright he does not have an inch of empathy. The irony is that some of these fires over the last few years have happened in some very conservative communities, and many of these people are the types that would appreciate Glenn.
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  housedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You would lose that wager as very little outrages me ... but I do wonder your sense of humor
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
Maybe to suggest someone kill themselves, are a pig and should be shot and barbecued, etc., etc., simply because of political affiliation (or perceived political affiliation...which might also be the case) could be considered, to say the least, a little 'bad.'

I don't know, I could be mistaken.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you still trolling?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry. You erupt with the above rhetoric towards me...with basically angry speech towards everyone who even attempts to post near you (and at all points answered MY posts), and you say I am 'trolling?' You and that collection of uh, 'stuff,' I'd hardly call writing?
  
  No. I noted goodfriendiam's line of reasoning.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are a treat for sure, you can't get enough of my attention can you? As stated before if you don't like it don't read it, others like it just fine
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What kind of twisted scale equates those words with putting human beings into wood chippers or murdering entire families in the night for a casual comment critical of the government?
  
  WTF?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lita that is a good point!
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
Golly Gee Lita you flagged my "Barack Hussein Obama is a scumbag" hub. All I can say is

HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHAAAAAAA
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have never 'flagged' a hub, voted anyone down or anything of that nature since I have been here. I don't even think of it... You must have pissed someone else off (gee, that's hard to imagine).
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lets see, you complain about my writing and right after I check my account to find a hub flagged. That is the first time any of them have been flagged. You are a liar and a censor, you do not get to decide what is and what is not "hate speech", no such thing as "hate speech"just a liberal "word bomb!"
  
  But now the rest know you are a slug, goodbye slug!
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think you understand what flagging actually is.
  
  If I go and flag a hub now, nothing happens immediately. There is no effect on that hub. The writer doesn't know anyone's flagged it.
  
  What the flagging does is put the hub in a queue for the hubpages team to have a look at. If they decide it breaches the T & C for some reason, they mark it thus and email to let you know.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not that I really care what YOU think, but no, I assure you I reported nothing; I flagged nothing. I only went to see what kind of a person would be expressing themselves the way you do here in the forums.
  
  What I saw proved to be what I thought.
  
  Since you cannot tell the difference between one liberal and another...and bash all of them, I'm pretty sure it could be any number of those on your hubs that you were nasty to that flagged your hub...
  
  And, frankly, I don't believe in rating up or down or flagging people's writing, period. You wouldn't see me banning Mien Kampf from the library, either. But I do have the right to express what I think of the contents of your writing, just like you assume (wrongly, actually, but whatever) you have the right to call me a liar, a slug, a pig, and tell me that I should go kill myself, as you have on these boards.
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
LITA Wrote: "And when it is over the top by reasonable community standards, it is over the top."

What is the definition of 'reasonable community standards' when someone rants?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm more familiar with censorship & pornography and reasonable community standards, since I am researching a hub on that. But it is a judgment, and a rule of law. I'm fairly sure, for instance (in fact I know) that in a public school, one child telling another they should kill themselves or threaten another with a gun (which has been intimated here on hubpage forums by grown men) would not be tolerated.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is not school yard talk.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are right...and yet these things were said here in the forums, NOT in the school yard.
  
  My point... And I rest my case.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, here we go again...
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ???
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
Yep. Nor do I believe in compromise at all times, either, SP. Especially when you strongly hold a belief...I'd say I'm like that with human rights issues, health care being one of them. And yeah, this hashing stuff on the internet is not exactly the nitty gritty of solving problems like people do when they work, is it, lol?

It would be nice, though....and I'm actually pretty open minded about free speech...if we could do without discussions where some suggest others be killed for their speech or belief system, however.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  or creepy stalkers, asinine make-believe 'profilers;' and ridiculous, overcompensating, Stuart Smalley narcissists? Yeah, we could do without those.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't take any of those things to make out what is, TK. And deliberately obfuscating and using doublespeak to make, I guess, what is supposed to be a point (but which SOME may call provocation or trolling, or being disingenuous, I dunno) isn't anything approaching dialogue, either.
  
  Public information is public information. But you are right about people wasting time, absolutely.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I also saw them accuse you of flagging one of their hubs. Honestly I have no interest in reading any of their hubs at this point, and I can guarantee the community moderator probably flagged it. It does not take a very big clue to figure out we do not write hubs like that about people's names. This is getting very weird.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
How are those new night vision goggles working out?
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good...lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
Ah, the team has made the tag and now Captain Nottheleastbitfunny has entered the ring with his arsenal of 'cute' pics!
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Oh my
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  wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ditto
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Typical
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Was that "Hate speech?" Oh my I feel so bad for poor, poor censors.
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yikes!!
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who let the dogs out woof woof woof
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
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blue dogposted 14 years ago
ya'll need to go easy on him, next thing he'll be crying in his milk.

no, ron, that's not a hint. well, maybe...
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah thats it Blue Duck, I am crying! Hee hee, what a tard!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  tard?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hey, PAL, the only difference between you and the school yard bully is that he tended to pick on the guys. you, without your PAL dean here to help, are only able to pick on the women in this community. it is quite amusing to watch, for all of us, as they repeatedly show you to be half the man that you really are. it's a safe bet to say, based on your behavior here, that if you're even lucky enough to have a woman in your life, she's definitely walking around being verbally abused, and probably a whole lot more.
  
  although most of the articles published on this site are considered hubs, the ones you write - filled with hate and anger and racism and bigotry - are in a league by themselves and are most certainly held in the highest esteem.
  
  not only are you a classic representation of everything that is wrong on this site, you're a shining example of why much of the planet feels the way they do about arrogant and loud-mouthed americans, texans in particular.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Applauds and Im glad you said it !!!
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  thank you, eaglekiwi.
  
  it has gone on long enough, hasn't it? the only problem by closing it is that the venomous ignorance just crawls to a new location. perhaps the thinking is that it is at least contained here, for the most part.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah your right Blue Duck, I beat women and my poor wife cowers around me, you were invited to try and change me but you cowered away so If you want to keep talking go ahead You have shown why real Texans vote against your type everytime. As far as Lita she gets what she puts out, don't like it? Talk to her, but don't come back days later thinking your some tough guy, cuz you ain't! BTW I don't care what other people or Countries think of Americans or Texans half of those countries would not exist if it hadn't been for America and Americans!
  
  Tard? Short for retard Ron, I thought you could figure that out!
  
  If you dont like whats written don't read, it really isn't that hard to ignore...or is it? Shills!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Should've guessed. Of course very few people use that outdated and nasty term anymore............
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Used all the time Ron, do you get paid per comment or what? I know why I can sit on a computer all day and play but how bout you? Its hard for me to believe you are all at work or have the same days off, so it must be a profitable endeavor to shill for the Democrats, lame but profitable!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hee hee
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  X where are all the threats they are seeing? Its just astounding to me that trolls and shills get the attention they seek and then cry foul, the internet is a wondrous place!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tex - you're existence is a threat - you don't "follow" the "group"
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you're both "independent thinkers" aren't you?
  
  Glenn Beck's kool-aid must really appeal to a certain element.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would you follow that group anywhere? I have never seen a more hypocritical bunch in my life, they complain about my hubs and then flag what they don't want to hear, sad part is they don't have the gonads to admit it! I thought Ron was at least a little normal but the words he chooses to use remind me of the others, kinda makes me wonder if they are not all the same person. I have seen that before on other sites!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Redneck normal or enlightened society normal?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Liberal normal -
  
  . . . isn't that an oxymoron?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightened? Thats what is comes down to isn't it, if you don't like whats said its stupid! If that is enlightened I prefer to not be, I don't care what you write about or who you write about but you can't seem to understand differing opinions. Why don't you point out where I have threatened someone, or where on this thread anybody threatened someone. If you expect me to believe that you are enlightened then enlighten me.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You haven't Tex - they just can't stand to have all their fluffy sweaters put away for the winter.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its a whinefest for these people or more than likely person. I am not one to search an IP to find out who someone is or isn't, thats for the Gestapo liberals!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not enough raw material i.e. silk purse / sow's ear.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pot. Kettle. Black.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh he follows a group alright , just not a socially acceptable one
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  . . .
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We are not socially acceptable X, I think that means we are in the majority against government takeover of health care! How will I ever live with myself? The other actors should be along any second now
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually no, the word is mostly used now by incredibly ignorant people if at all. I do get paid for much of my internet work, but I will gladly point out your shortcomings pro bono.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yeah, your profile defines "real texans" to a t. actually, tex, you misinterpreted what i wrote (somehow that doesn't surprise me) about a woman in your life. the fact that you use the word "cowered" does not escape me. what i suggested, in no uncertain terms, is that she's probably walking around, feeling beat up: emotionally, mentally, and physically.
  
  there was a time, so many years ago, when someone such as yourself came along. it was approaching midnite, on a dark country road, where three of the four occupants in the car were quite fed up with a loud-mouthed texan. high school graduation nite, a bit of alcohol, and a healthy dose of ignorance thrown in for good measure. stopping the car, dragging his foul-mouthed ass out of the back seat, he was introduced to the combined assets of my strength and size, even at that age. more than anything, it's the sound i remember most: a fence creaking in the dark of nite. as that barbed-wire fence shook and rattled for 30 yards in either direction with the impact of his body, it was at that moment that i realized there was no need for any further action on my part. the next morning i received a phone call from the high school principal. he thanked me for my behavior the previous nite, stating that his nephew had had that coming for a long time. his only question to me was how i accomplished what i did without resorting to a brawl.
  
  the gist of the story, tex, with a little t, is that i really am so beyond needing to prove my manliness in a fisticuffs fashion, where only a handful of testosterone induced morons get to watch the scene. it's far more entertaining to engage here with someone of your mentality. you are center stage and the whole world's our audience.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah you are beyond trying to prove how manly you are, right! So whats with the story? Are you trying to get me to admit I beat or verbally berate my wife? Then you are not familiar with Texas women are you? The offer was extended for you and whoever wanted to hunt down people on the internet, RandyGodwin was the only one man enough to take me up on it. So tell your story to your imaginary friends, I am far from impressed!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I truer word was never spoke.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  BwahahahaHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHhahahahaaaaaa!!!
  
  Oh man...
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know many Texans, but I'd prefer to judge them on the basis of, say, the wonderful KCC who writes fantastic hubs, including about her home state of Texas.
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