Muslim wears AMERICAN FLAG as headress

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Army Infantry Momposted 15 years ago
I'd like to know what people think of this,..

Video - Captial Hill - Muslim wears AMERICAN FLAG as headress - http://bit.ly/rU4gi

Personally I think it B.S. This past Sunday was "Honor Gold Mom's Day " I didn't see Obama inviting those Mom's to the Capital's state lawn, praying for those families who lost their Son's and Daughter's fighting the wars, Which is even more B.S.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't say what I think, I need some time to find the words. I'll get back to you.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I got words,.but my words, would break all rules, I'm sure.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hello, AIM - i just wanted to thank your son for his service. i have no comment about the flag discussion.
  
  best regards.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Also,.....
  WHAT RELIGION BELIEVES IN PRAYING TO OBAMA?
  
  OBAMA DELIVER US?
  
  http://www.gamaliel.org/default.htm
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hope they keep this nonsense up. Finally there are ways for people to see the kinds of nonsense our politicians get up to. The frightening thing is that absent the Internet, we'd never know what was going on. So let them keep it up. By doing what they're doing, they're alienating more and more voters and, even more importantly, getting people involved in politics who never cared to do so before. That, more than anything, is going to stop encroaching government.
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hmmm, yes, Muslims wear headresses, Americans wear t-shirts and wave flags on their cars, trucks, cycles, bumpers....
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  shamelabboushposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are yo userious??? They wear the US flag as Bikinis, bras....!! Does that offend you too?
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  mandybeau1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well it flies in the face of Allah to do so. I mean colour of headress is a biggy, so what the star spangled banner doing on his head would be would be poking the micky at his own kind.
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Ryan Kettposted 15 years ago
And what the hell is wrong with that?
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Our flag should be flown, not worn.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So a white christian man can wear an American flag on his t-shirt, but a muslim cannot? America should be more worried about hardcore racists like you. America is able to conveniently forget that the successful Michael Jackson was a member of the nation of islam, Muhammed Ali, Shaq O'Neill, Akon.
  
  Oh look, your most successful pop star is Muslim. Your most successful sports star is Muslim. There are even 2 muslims in your congress, dont it just make ya feel so sick?
  
  America has huge flaws in its education system, and its not the children that Obama needs to worry about right now.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know me personally to judge me saying I'm a racist,..My God Mom is Black (Shes better than what my white mama ever was and my step sister who I love enough to die for is part Muslim !!!!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what exactly is the real issue here ?
  The flag should only be flown and never worn as an emblem , or is that a Muslim was adorned with the flag (as headgear) ?
  
  Can you clarify why ya so upset.
  
  P.S I wore one as a bandana once , is that ok
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So I guess you wouldn't mind if I wiped my "arse" with the Union Jack? You probably wouldn't, but we actually care about our Country and realize it wasn't Lutherans,Catholics, or Baptists that flew planes into our buildings.
  
  Unlike you Americans stand up for their flag, and we don't feel using it as a headdress or whatever it is called is exactly the appropriate place for it.
  
  <snipped>
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I pity you, but then I hate all racists; so thats at least one person that hates all muslims. And at least one person that hates you for that.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I second that. I hate racists, too.
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  sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i also hate racists, but islam is a faith, not a race
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hate Islam!
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its as close to racism as you are going to get without a specific reference to the colour of a skin. It is a serious form of prejudice nonetheless.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Give up. You made sick specious accusations and now you are backpedaling.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I said nothing inaccurate. I said that your best sportsman was Muslim. I said that two of your congressmen are muslim, and I said that your most successful ever sportsperson was muslim too.
  
  I may have called the OP racist, I take this back. She is in fact Islamophobic. Still a prejudice, still a discrimination. There was nothing sick about that. Im not backpeddaling anywhere.
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who cares? Has he advocated the harm of Muslims? Talked about exiling them? Herding them into camps? No. Then what does his hatred of Muslims really matter.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Freedom of speech is the right to offend. We wouldn't need an amendment to go around saying nice things.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If that was the case, then why have I been banned twice, and why is somebody trying to get me banned now. I generally get banned for insulting those that preach for freedom of speech. E.g. my eternal stalker nicomp.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because this is a privately owned site and they are free to set the rules.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you condone my hatred for Muslims???? Do you?
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Um. . . um. . .. er......
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its ok I'm a rebel!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree with the statement , Freedom of speech is the right to offend, try convincing a cop of that one
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's their site, they make the rules. Your analogy might be better if this were a government site.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok so the T.O.S are not derived from any laws? sorry thought they were....A staff member mentioned something along those lines.
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The TOS adhere to laws only insofar as they don't break any. Otherwise the owners are able to make whatever terms they wish.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Rudeness to a cop is different. You must have missed that pert.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently but I didnt miss the double standard all the same.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually being rude to a cop is not an arrestable offense unless you step out of your house berating an officer then you can be charged with something else! Hee hee!
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have the freedom to be called a stupid cop and stop by the White House picnic table for a beer.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was called everything imaginable and couldn't do a thing about it until....
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How much do you want to be you're three sheets to the wind when you're yelling at said cop, then, in your inebriated state, you walk out your front door?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is one charge, could be several depends on the circumstance.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Freedom to speak has been twisted by American liberals into the freedom to never be offended by someone else's speech. That's a huge problem in the US.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Freedom of speech has also been subverted by those who wish to spread hate. It's a two sided street.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, if it is freedom, then it is freedom to speak hate, too. Otherwise it is not a freedom.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True,
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then, you have the right to voice that you are offended by said words
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely. But you don't have the right to shut the offender down.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with that. I feel the more you let the hate mongers speak the more ridiculous they make themselves look.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Makes sense to me, too
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hate, I do not require any one to hate with me. I do not speak hate I express my opinion of what I hate, if someone has a problem with it too bad! And you are correct it would not be freedom if I could not say it! If Hubpages wants to ban me GO AHEAD!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was not talking about you...this is not all about you.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say you were I was clarifying for those who are concerned with what I say! Its a typical tactic to try and shout people down by calling "hate" or "Racist" Im just saying it won't work on me.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL People keep mistaking HP for a PUBLIC platform. It is not. It is PRIVATE and free to set and enforce any rules it deems fit.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  UM , isnt it the Internet ,with a few rules thrown in for good measure lol
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I certainly don't mistake it for a public platform, I am well aware that they can ban and already have banned some. I am simply saying I don't care!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Liberals? gosh everyone needs to wear a badge or something ,lol
  Bit like being part of a socially accepted gang isnt it?
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We need to get one of those button machines and run adds on hubbs! I smell money!.....lololol
  
  Ahhhh, free enterprise!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You haven't said anything in this thread that is ban worthy...others have though...don't let them bait you...
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's an eternal chore, I fear. Like Sisyphus, my task is tedious and seemingly never ending.
  
  Seriously, I think you have a great sense of humor and I like sparring with you. However, in this case I think you really stepped in it.
  
  And I'm not trying to get you banned. I didn't narc on you to The Man.
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean like these.
  
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's not the point at all Ryan. Our government has been intruding on our liberties, specifically our liberty to be free to worship as we choose for decades now. Heck just look at the vitriolic on both sides of the Religion forum.
  
  What I got out of this was Muslims being encouraged to express their faith while that very thing is being denied to others. It has nothing to do with hatred or racism, but when you consider that many Muslims want to see the world united under the Final Caliph, well people not of that religion tend to get a mite worried.
  
  Another reason for all of this divisiveness is due to politics and academia. For decades we've been told how evil and oppressive we were and how we should be ashamed of America. Yet despite all the nonsense coming from the Left and the ivory towers, millions of people have willingly come here to try to build themselves a new life. Rather than that being an indictment of the US, I think that's an indictment of the rest of the world. Why are those people fleeing their homelands?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was all illusion LDT. If I knew what I see here before I came, you would have never seen me here. you guys are pretty good at showing off...
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are there better places to go in the world?
  
  Not really. I did that to illustrate a point. Public education claims to want to make things equal to everyone, but it can't. Public anything limits your choices. If you want your kid to go to a school where they teach the pledge, you should be able to. Likewise if you want your kid to go to school with a certain "culture", great. Public schools cannot be all things to all people. So long as we have them, they will continue to stir controversy and divide us.
  
  The greatness of America is that we allow people the freedom to choose. Or at least we did. What we're really fighting about now is control over government because government increasingly controls our lives. Rather than fighting each other, should we not be forcing government out of our lives? If we did that, what would we have left to fight about?
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've got no problem whatever with private schools and vouchers. The public school system has been in terrible shape for years, more like decades, still it bothers me a great deal that the words "under god" and "in god we trust" were forced into the places they are by religious zealots who couldn't leave well enough alone.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Providing you have enough money - quite a few.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought you were leaving? Whats the holdup?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I told you once just a few days ago. Don't think I need to repeat to an adult
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Every single country has immigration and emmigration. There are 224,000 Americans living in the UK. That is no indictment to America, its because people simply wish to move freely.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are estimated to be 6.6 million American citizens living abroad permanently. That excludes military, government personal, and even the dependants of expats (e.g. children). That is 2.16% of all Americans.
  
  You can find a break down here http://aaro.org/
  
  That map actually says 5.25 million. 40 Years ago there were just 750,000 Americans living overseas. Seems that America isn't quite as popular as you seem to believe.
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So American expats are increasing, what does that tell you?
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  mcbeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Those brave enough to venture out into the world find that there is more to life than the good ol' US of A.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hell, we'll make that back up in 6 months, and get some good Mexican food to boot!
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hell Tex, some of us are just coming back home. Apparently some ancestors of my Mom helped build the Alamo.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I had 3 die there, hardheaded dummies!
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  sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  how sad, im sure you knew them well
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uhhuh, go away!
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In a way it is Ryan. It's interesting to note that more and more Americans are becoming expatriates. You can tell how well or how poorly a country is doing by the amount of immigration they have. People leaving a country-country is screwed up. People going to a country-they must be doing something right.
  
  LiamBean we may not be a Christian country in the sense that Spain was a Christian country, but there is a difference between not establishing a state religion and trying to remove all traces of a deity from public life. Like it or not, there are people who are religious and we have to respect their beliefs. Likewise they have to respect ours. The best way to do that is to leave people alone and not try to force a particular outcome.
  
  Misha, personally I blame Moscow Center for many of our problems on the Left, in the media and academia if only because those were prime propaganda targets to destabilize the US. One thing you can give the Russians credit for, they know how to wage a covert intelligence and propaganda campaign.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am afraid it is deeper than that. Lately I tend to think that the whole Western civilization probably went through socialist/fascist illness during the 20th century, just the degree of getting sick differed...
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Progressivism. At least that's what we called it here. Teddy Roosevelt was the first, but not the last of the Progressive presidents. Heck Obama is one of those. Look at how admiring people like Churchill and FDR were of Mussolini, at least in the beginning.
  
  @Texan, interestingly enough, I'm making tacos tonight. Heck I might have some GTT's seeing as my dad's grandmother and her family was from Alabama. I wonder how many people know what a GTT is? Lot of history there.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What are GTT's? I have some family in Mobile Alabama, them boys ain't right!
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, we really don't teach history anymore. Of course I never heard about GTT's in school, I had book larnin' for that. GTT, short for Gone To Texas. It was the bane of creditors, cuckolded husbands and dumped girlfriends all over the East at one point in time. Daniel Boone put it the best when he lost his last run for office: "You can go to hell, I'm going to Texas".
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah right, I thought GTT was something you were cooking! Yes "Gone to Texas" I haven't had American History in 30 years, that was the furthest thing from my mind.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you choose not to respond to me ledefensetech? I answered your question
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You asked a question? I must have missed it, the posts are flying fast and furiously around here tonight.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But ALL countries are seeing increases in BOTH immigration and emmigration. It is simply globalisation, which has brought about natural multi-culturalism. If America wants to lead the global corporate world, by sticking a McDonalds in every city, then they can expect people to be attracted to their culture.
  
  People from the UK want to live in NZ, US, CA and AUS.
  
  People from the US want to live in NZ, CA, AUS and UK
  
  People from CA want to live in.... well, they mostly want to live in canada.
  
  There are tonnes of people from AUS and NZ in the UK.
  
  I doubt that there is too much difference in all of those places, with the exception of some pretty awful weather in the UK and in Canadian winters..... Its the same old "the grass is greener" thing.
  
  We had an influx of Polish a few years ago, hundreds of thousands of them. They all want to go home now. Countries like the UK and the US market themselves to attract tourism. If they project an image aimed at attracting people, then they will attract people.
  
  I even saw an advert on British Television the other day, it was Arnie telling ME to MOVE to CALIFORNIA. I was actually being told to move to California. Why? I have no idea. But I will pass on that.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I lived overseas for a total of 4 years (3 countries) and loved the experience. I'm happy to be back home but will always treasure that experience in different parts of the world.
  
  About the Arnie ad: I know he made a bunch of ads trying to get non-Californian companies to move their operations to California. No offense to you at all, but he was probably courting businesses.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ledefensetech: Didn't ask a question, just attempted to respond to an aspect of your reply
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but how many people are really screaming to get into the Democratic Republic of Congo or Saudi Arabia, or Bangladesh? The reason we see people wanting to come to the West is because of our tradition of liberty.
  
  I have to laugh a little when I hear about how racist people are in the States. We don't have racism here like you see between the animists and Muslims in Africa or the different groups in Mexico. Heck some members of my mom's family will have nothing to do with other members because they're too mestizo. That is real racism.
  
  So long as a society doesn't impose impediments to social mobility based on race, culture or something like that, race doesn't matter.
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If our education system is that bad? The why do muslums accept offers from American colleges to give them a free ride for 4 years?
  
  Then waste the Degree, building Bombs when they go home?
  
  The very system you Insult, makes it possible for your Brothers and Sisters to have a very good life, off the backs of american tax payers. Your people arent to proud to say yes. Or to decent to say, no I can pay, give it to the needy.
  
  King Fad's family, The Syrian Presidents family also. And Others. So much for Humanity! hey?
  
  And from what I have seen, very few of them used it for world good? Or any common good for that matter?
  
  Ala blesses them, who helps themselves before others, right?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really believe anything other than a very small minority of Muslim foreign students become terrorists?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who wants to take the chance?
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very few do, even less then the small percentage you reference. If they are involved at all. Maybe less than 1% in truth. I was mad at the statements.
  
  That said I have never seen any of those people I befriended at school use the position and power they held by birth, and the degree they gained to unite countries, knock down the problems build bridges, to treaties and peace. Just grab the degree and thats it.
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And tell me, did you use your degree to "unite countries, knock down the problems build bridges, to treaties and peace?". Not many people get that opportunity, most will end up working in an office for $30,000 a day.
  
  Have you decided not to respond to my last post? It was specifically spoken to you.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  30,000 a day? Where do I apply?
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Abu Dhabi
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  as a matter of fact, yes, I did!
  
  17 years traveled in 3rd world countries for the world bank funding and developing projects for Hydro dams, factories for people to work in, funding aid in times of Genocide.
  
  Treated for yellow fever and disintary while helping. Helped to Build a small communication system in West Africa
  
  By the way...I did not see you there? Did we miss your contibution to aid and assist?
  
  Or Maybe you showed up with the Al-Kedia group to do some demolition projects, I am sorry I missed that performance by your brothers and sisters? I heard it was killer though!
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hook em Dutchman!
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Could it be that you have assumed that I am a muslim from a deprived background, purely on the basis that I object to racism?
  
  I have no "brothers and sisters", but if you are referring to my heritage..... I think that you will find many of my so called "brothers and sisters" moved to America centuries ago. Whilst I am happy living in the country of my birth, which in case you didnt know is England.
  
  I can safely say that I have never cost the American taxpayer a single penny. To the contrary, I have travelled to America and spent much of my hard earned pound stirling in their shops, restaurants, and casinos.
  
  Any other assumptions that you wish to make about me?
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would love to see you banned for this. Nothing would please me more tonight.
  
  Come back and visit when your child puts his life on the line for your country.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please explain how one can be offended my comment? This board is rotten to the core with racism. If I were to be banned for this comment, over people that are expressing hatred for an entire religion of 1.5bn people, then that would be a sad day nicomp. Religious extremism goes two ways. I cannot see why I should get banned for defending Muslims against a tirade of hatred and vitriol.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How sad. You are really reaching. Don't you have anything better to do than set up strawman arguments and attack the mother of a patriot? Perhaps where you live the military is less respected. We understand the sacrifices they make and we respect their service. We honor their families, at least to the extent that we don't cobble up inane arguments for the sake of attacking them.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  QUOTE: "If its racist I don't care, I hate Muslims, all Muslims!" (A Texan)
  
  Are you seriously condoning this sort of attitude? Seriously? Tell me now that you agree with this sort of statement, and I will happily ban myself.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its not his place to condone what I think! This isn't Britain where Multiculturalism has damned your Country! I have freedom of Speech, my speech is my own, get over it!
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think he understands that "Muslim" refers to a religion not a race. Racism is not possible.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please ban yourself. Make me happy tonight.
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hope that her son does not have such ignorant views of the Muslim people that he is supposed to be protecting. Other than that, I have the greatest respect for those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also believe in certain aspects of the cause, but that does not mean that I should condone racism in any form.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be dragging my son into this,...For your knowledge almost ALL the care packages I sent with food for him to eat,...He gave to the local villiages who children were starving !!!!! Never thinking twice about his hungry belly. I am NOT A FRICKIN RACIST !!!! I am stating a fact that our American ways is changing to makes the Muslim community happier !!!
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  <snipped - no personal attacks in the Forums> Please accept my respect and gratitude for the service of your son and for your sacrifice.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Mom, Hoohya and Semper Fidelis!
  
  HOOHA? Thats not right is it?
  
  Gotta go with what I know, OORAH!
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  atilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like Soldiers and Marines. The British take to sex like a duck takes to golf, eeeeew
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They are too busy being offended to put much sex time in!
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HOOAH !!!!!!
  Semper Fidelis too !!!!
  They all Rock
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HOOAH, Thats it, couldn't remember! Some of my fellow Marines would slap me for saying it....maybe!
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HAHA,..ya that may be so,..but I know when put back to back in war, they have each others back regaurds if its a HOOAH or Semper Fi !!!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Trying to make a joke didn;t come out right, and you are correct about having each others 6!
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It all sounds the same when the mortars come splashing in. Like one big family our boys and girls in uniform leave that stuff at the door when the bad guys come to town.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  <snipped - no personal attacks in the Forums>
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not strictly true .
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just wait AIM, 2010 is going to come as a shock to certain people, I think. How is your son? I know they gave that stupid order not to shoot, how are our boys and girls holding up? Hopefully we'll have them all back soon.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yea,..I'm affraid of what 2010 is gonna bring,..Im son is doing good, considering he saw his friends blown up. But some here think it was all for the money,..fooey. Thanks for asking,..
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  Ryan Kettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes your country is changing its ways to make the muslim community happier, it is getting itself into trillions of dollars of debt in the process. Just because your son is in the US military, does not mean that I must agree with the reasons and motives for war. I did not bring your son into this, you brought you son into this; as you had already mentioned his name and chose a username to reflect this. I wish your son the best of luck, and he sounds like a very caring guy.
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  sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We have lots of friends and family in the military too, but we are realists, an 18 year old kid has no conception of sacrifice when they sign up..we wonder why they didnt do better in school and why they were so easily fooled by recruiters...when they start joining the military without accepting sign on bonuses, college assistance and pay grades, then we can talk about sacrifice...Just another job, one of the few that offers on the job training and doesnt judge you based on your SAT's
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well my 18 year old knew what he was getting into, for one his Great Grandfather served in WW2,(And was forever disfigured because of the war) and second, that bonus pay is crap, considering its your life on the line. Perhaps you will understand better when you grow up.
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  sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your quite mistaken, i would be ashamed to say that a family member of mine risked their life because our grandfather was in ww2 or Korea, shows a serious lack of thinking.
  
  My grandfather was in Korea, he was drafted, as was probably the Great Grandfather you reference, compulsory attendance does not involve nobility.
  
  What sacrifice was made to take this job, was a great scholarship turned down, a promising career path, a position in professional sports, etc.
  
  Or was the choice the army or community college?
  
  the actions of soldiers are many times very noble, giving away his care package to the locals is quite noble and he sounds like a great person, I dont want you to feel as if Im directing any disagreement towards his possible character
  
  But I am quite vocal in disagreeing with the foolish platitude that joining the army is noble. I probably have more friends and family members in the service than you can imagine, I am of the age where many of my high school friends enlisted after 9/11, the majority of them were opportunists and those with limited to no other opportunities, they were and are not noble, they are mercenaries
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I did not say he joined because of his great grandfather serving. My point was he did not join because he was fooled. He knew the realities of going to war. He didn't go for the bonus' he went for his Country !!
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  AIM I wouldn't bother. He's not worth it. Just remember that there are those who do keep faith with your son and honor his willingness to make the sacrifices he does.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you still here?
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  egivposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.
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  loveofnightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  if you take a walk back to the 70s and 80s americans were not only wearing the flag but burning it as well.people use different methods to make statements.it seems as if people look for things to create more confusion than it's worth.don't give negative things power.
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mcbeanposted 15 years ago
Maybe, just maybe, a brave soul was trying to show that it is possible to be Muslim and American in "the land of the free".

Amazingly, all Muslims are not out to get you.This quote sounds particularly terrifying:

"But I will say something it took me my whole adult life to come to: America is not perfect, but I want to tell the truth: It is one of the best places in the world to live."
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
Does this offend you too?

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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No,...Im proud to wear a shirt with a PITURE of the flag on it.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't see any problem with both, and what is piture btw?
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Typo,..My bad, Picture,...
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know. Just teasing
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Got it.
  
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's just not wearing the flag,..its that they had open prayer, using their religion, however my child isn't allowed to say the pledge of ALLEGIANCE in school anymore, because it goes against muslim's and what they believe.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's quite a rapid change in your grievance, isn't it? It's not "BS" when Caribou Barbie wears a flag?
  
  I took a look at the delusional rant in the MySpace blog you linked to. "Muslims GAIN MORE RIGHTS THAN I HAVE AS AN AMERICAN BORN CITIZEN" Um, what rights would those be?
  
  Your child isn't allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school for fear of offending Muslim students? Where does your child go to school, a Saudi madrassa?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He-he. She's quite hot, you can't deny it
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course I wouldn't. Her looks were central to her selection (and her lasting popularity).
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously his teleprompter reads went better with American populace. I personally am not sure what I like better - reads or looks. Either seems a bit stupid to put your future on.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There's that cynicism again. Plenty of people NOT to vote for, but no one TO vote for, right?
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I had no change in what you call grievance,...as for barbie dolls, Im not up to date on what they wear,...My kids goes to a regular public school.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Take "under god" back out of it and they can.
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who are you to decide whether or not my kid can say the pledge of allegiance?
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whoa! You certainly took that WAY out of context.
  
  The pledge originally did not have the words "under god" in it. Or didn't you know that?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you serious? Should we remove "their Creator" from the Declaration Of Independence also?
  
  Are you offended by "Under God" sorry about your luck its there!
  
  I am not exactly a Holy Roller but Christians have as much right to their beliefs as an atheist, if it offends some well, grow a pair!
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Creator is generic enough. "Under God" was added in 1954. The pledge is and was just fine without it.
  
  And other people living in this country have different beliefs. We are not simply a Christian nation.
  
  If you can't accept that an American can have beliefs different than your own maybe it is YOU that needs to "grow a pair."
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can different beliefs and I am glad you do, but don't expect me to bend to your beliefs.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's funny because the people who insisted on "under god" and "in god we trust" certainly felt that way. Neither was originally there.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its there now! Why should it be removed? I would wager that a majority of Americans are happy with it,maybe not on Hubpages, but...
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My point is that those who object to those words being there were expected to "bend" when they were added.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then they had no cojones! None,zilch,zero! If they were that upset about it they would have stopped it in its tracks. Kind of like the "Public option" in health care!
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  ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And if we objected to those things that weren't part of our cultural baggage in foreign counties, would we not have to bend?
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how the discussion changed direction after that was posted
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I noticed that too UW
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's just not wearing of the flag issue,..It's the fact Obama had open prayer, praying to a Muslim God,...when my childern is forbidden to say a quiet prayer at school to herself before eating her lunch and the kids are nolonger aloud to say the pledge of Allegiance. Also some of us find it a disgrace for them to wear it as ahead dress, what would happen if a American went to their country and wore short shorts and a tube tank top with our breast clevage showing ??? Also if Obama wanted to share prayers perhaps he should of done so last Sunday to Honor Gold Star Mom's.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Reread the title of this thread and all your posts up to that picture being posted and tell me that had nothing to do with it...
  
  and, I just read the article. I believe that was around Ramadan. We had a discussion here then and it was pointed out the Bush did the same thing at the White House when he invited Muslims to celebrate.
  
  And one more edit...I thought all believers worshipped the same God. I didn't realize there was more than one...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You would be beheaded, and this bunch would say "she/he had it coming"
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know the woman was not born in the United States?
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  SHOW ME A BIRTH CERTIFICATE (certificate of live birth doesn't count!)
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mcbeanposted 15 years ago
What was the idea behind restricting religion at schools?

Was it possibly not to make outcasts of any minority?

That sounds like a reasonable policy that applies to all.

You are not suggesting that Christianity is banned from Schools but Islam is not are you?

Looks like we don't need schools for Americans to try their best to make outcasts of people.
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mcbeanposted 15 years ago
Do an image search for people wearing or being draped in a flag and show me one where it is intended as disrespectful.

It is universally a sign of love for the country represented by the flag.

A Muslim loves America! Oh my God! Run for the hills, the invasion has started!
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mcbeanposted 15 years ago
A Texan:

I refer to my previous post.

The individual was not "wiping his ass on the flag" or burning it. These are signs of aggression and probably deserve some of the responses floating around this forum.

Wearing a flag is a universally accepted sign of affection.

Mind you, it is probably the proud racists like you roaming around that made the gentleman quoted take all his life to come to the decision America was a great place to live.

You are lucky the whole world does not stereotype America as fanatical biggots the way you stereotype Muslims as terrorists.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmmm, Nope don't care!
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  mcbeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I stand corrected. Your amazingly mature and insightful logic has indeed shown me the truth. I will immediately become a racist for all the valid reasons you have mentioned.
  
  Sould I join the KKK also or have you moved on from that era?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's a wise thought.
  
  Now, take the next step, and try to see that EVERY country has those seeds in it, just waiting for the right time to grow...
  
  Yes, respect to country anthem and country flag ARE the seeds of nazism/socialism. They put the state ABOVE the individual.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The "State" screwed up and left that second amendment for all of us to see! Do you really think we would just let our freedoms slip away?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's exactly what you are doing for the last 100 years or so
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm as free as I have always been!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't you just write something about HOA?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you finish reading it? You will find I was sucessful! FREEDOM!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He-he. I think you got my point though. I live in VA.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do Misha, understand that I will fight to secure my rights. It may seem an extreme thing but I have been sent to places on this earth to secure freedoms for people who had them taken away. If I didn't mind doing it for them I damn sure don't mind doing it for you!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, thank you, no! I will take care of my freedoms myself.
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Army Infantry Momposted 15 years ago
WHAT RELIGION BELIEVES IN PRAYING TO OBAMA?

OBAMA DELIVER US?

http://www.gamaliel.org/default.htm
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  sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wtf is that supposed to mean?
  
  History of the Gamaliel Foundation: The Gamaliel Foundation was originally established in 1968 to support the Contract Buyers League, an African American organization fighting to protect homeowners on Chicago’s Westside who had been discriminated against by banks and saving and loan institutions. In l986, the Foundation was reorganized as an organizing institute providing resources to community leaders in the efforts to build and maintain powerful organizations in low income communities. The Gamaliel Foundation has grown from three to more than forty-five affiliates in seventeen states and in three provinces of South Africa.
  
  The Name: The first Christians were a threat to the establishment of Israel. The Sanhedrin met to decide the fate of the leaders of the new religion. Some wanted to kill them. But the wise man Gamaliel stood up and said "refrain from these men, for if this work be of men, it will come to naught, but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it, lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." Acts 5: 38, 39. We work in the hope and the confidence that this work is of God. Paul understood himself to be a disciple of Gamaliel. (Acts 22:3) Saul Alinsky made all of his organizers read the letters of Paul because he regarded his namesake to be one of the greatest organizers of all time. The Gamaliel Foundation mentors organizers.
  
  I have a strong belief that you have no idea what you are reading or referencing
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was posting a link to a video that shows people praying for Obama to deliver them,..How bout Jesus deliving them !!! Perhaps my link didnt post correctly but you can see the video on this link
  http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse … =512255387
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  sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that makes your statement make a little more sense, but still doesnt seem very relative to well...anything!
  
  People pray to rocks, trees, cactuses, virgin mothers and patron saints, people arent really all that swift.
  
  Does it mean something that some misguided people choose a high profile figure to pray at.
  
  Then again at least praying to a flesh and blood person gives you a chance of actually being heard, so maybe its not so dumb after all
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "people arent really all that swift."
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is revelant for the fact no other president had people praying stating deliver us and then adding the presidents name. The church I go to we pray for Jesus to deliver us,..NO ONE ELSE !!!
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Len Cannonposted 15 years ago
americans are desperate for universal health care other nations provide

job opportunities are better abroad

more and more american born citizens have family in places like Mexico and South America and choose to rejoin them

an increased presence of the military overseas has led to servicemen and women looking abroad after their time with the military has ended

WE HAVE A MUSLIM PRESIDENT AND MUST RUN AWAY
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, thats it!
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If only those who thought this did!
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Len Cannonposted 15 years ago
a texan, you are the greatest troll on hubpages. This is not an insult.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you very little!
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
And for the love of god its Tex!
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Why are some of you attacking the British now

Now dont be silly and play nice in the sandbox , and please no drama queen behaviour ,leave that on the reality shows.

Deep breathe exhale now.

Psst Ryan, If you must bow down , let it be a to a lofter enemy in other words dont get banned for pettyness.

Eat some nuts n raisins trust me , protein for battle
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Yes we will have no cyber bullying here thankyou very much!

Dats for 14 yr old brats with cell phones
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
:you forgot the hot steamy sex Ryan
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Are you free to call a person a racist name?
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yup.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Beam me up Scotty
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
I would say that all freedom has responsibilty and part of that responsible action is knowing when to shut your mouth and when to open it
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A lot of it comes down to respect for your fellow man.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes and good ole coping skills....
  
  I worked with pre-schoolers for years and they had to learn although they were free to think and express themselves ,name-calling and offensive language would have zero tolerance....
  
  Hate is the twin of murder(IMO) ,so bout the only thng I hate is cockroaches to be honest.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really don't hate anything or anyone either...except maybe flies...and liver...
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yep bugs with rotating heads
  I read somewhere that centipedes/millipedes are almost the only insects that eat roaches ,so I respect them .
  
  Sorry now where were we, oh yea headgear
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
You would love to be banned...it would give you months of martyr threads afterwords
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt it - It already happened less than a week ago...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, good job on that one.
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey now, I was vouching for you, saying you weren't the martyr type.
  
  I hadn't read the ToS before that little clash. I'm well informed now.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats fine it was all in a days work.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry...I didn't notice you were gone
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Now that aint right !!! but the flag is off her head

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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That ain't wrong! On any level!
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  actually Ive had a close up and I dont think those puppies are real but hey at least for a moment we quit with the hate word.
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I HATE FAKE BOOBS
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  Mrvoodooposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, she's disrespecting the flag, lynch her!
  
  I'm more than willing to give her a damn good spanking on behalf of all you yanks for such intolerable behavior.
  
  Can't believe I made it through all 11 pages of that crap, what a freak show, but like the Jerry Springer show, it was certainly entertaining.
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
I'm going to watch sons of anarchy! Try and keep it civil, you know I would.
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
ArmyIM I do hear where your coming from re cultures being respected ,traditions etc.
In my country we feel just as passionately about our flag too ,but we also are honored if another culture chooses to wear or adorn (respectfully) any precious Icon such as the flag.
We have a high population of Asians for example who decorate ,hold festivals and build their temples ,when for years pilgrims fought to have the country Christian ,definately not Eastern.
Absolutely we would not have the freedom to wear and behave in Middle Eastern countries like in our Western Countries.

But that is exactly why they left those countries , so they could be free....and also why neither of us live in theirs...

That is the whole point. Let them be free.

I am sad about religion withdrawn from schools too.
Did you know that movement began with only one woman who didnt want God in schools. No one even protested ,until it was too late.

Anyway gnite all , you guys can put Ashley to bed
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  Army Infantry Momposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's an ever growing trend that my rights as a Christian is being stripped away while Obama is giving MORE FREEDOM AND RIGHTS to MUSLIMS
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What rights are he stripping away? Why shouldn't American muslims have the same rights you do?
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Pearldiverposted 15 years ago
Wow.... Don't we all have much to learn about others!

I come from a place called New Zealand... we were accused of being potentially enemies of the US, on the days after we Refused to Allow US Nucleur Ships into out territory.

Those arrogant statements were made by the children of those whom we nursed back to health and provided accomodation for the rest on leave in WW2.

We all understand the representation of our national flags. We would consider it an honour to have our flag worn by anyone!

In fact in BumbleTown - NZ, many have their choice of flags tattooed on their butts. It gives them the sense of always having a connection with home and where they 'sit' in society!
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  :-D
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where they sit good place that!
  
  I vote that all Politicians have their Country of Origin tattooed on their butts !!!
  
  Ohhhh some like Mexico's are quite detailed ouchie
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Equal time for everyone. I detect no modicum of disrespect in this, do you?

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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He-he. Was it Obama's bush?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  MM fs I scrolled up to log off an Mighty Max nearly hit me on the nose !!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Me Too!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Was he perhaps saluting lol
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Equal time for everyone. I detect no modicum of disrespect in this, do you?

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Pearldiverposted 15 years ago
Should this thread not be in the Religious Forum?

Did George W Do it better?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am asking myself the same question
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You need to read back a few pages and not just a couple of posts
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I actually read it from the start, and participated from the middle
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then you already knew it wasnt only about religion.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but the more we move forward, the more it becomes obvious that the original intention was religious.
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  mikey9923posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In the end does it really truly matter..If you want to praise God or allah.. we live in a free country. And in the end will see who was the right being to praise
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sunforgedposted 15 years ago
show one example of your Rights as a christian being stripped away, and stop repeating that BS about school prayer, your child can make a silent prayer anytime she feels like.

Give a real example
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't hold your breath! You might get irrelevant ALL CAPS responses with links to idiotic websites as "proof".
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
It is not Obama who changed attitudes AIM, (as you see in this forum)

For evil to suceed , all it takes is for good people to do nothing
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Pearldiverposted 15 years ago
Lost The Plot .... This thread is LTD'd

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