What are you trying to say, what are we going to do with them? We cant kill them of course, if after psychological counseling and other effort failed and they are not considered harm to society only to themselves, they should find a way to improve themselves and get away from addiction through the help of family members. they can be cured only if they are willing to be cured.
Do you have any specific numbers to back this up? I'm against wasting resources as much as the next guy, but I am not so sure that the relative amount put into rehabilitating drug addicts (who are happy to receive free benefits) is so substantial.
Every "drug user" I have ever heard of or known would do anything to stay out of prison... I'm not sure who is booking jail cells for the heroine...
I used to work for Glasgow addiction service which employs hundreds of workers including Nurses. The cost of residential Rehab runs into Thousands of pounds with very poor results. A lot of these people claim bus fairs and other expenses (because all their benefits go on drugs and alcohol). If they have children they claim even more and where do you think most of that money goes.
Calabacus, have you ever walked into an AA/NA meeting? The people there are not those you might expect, many are upstanding folks in the grips of a disease. The disease of addiction does not discriminate according to class.
I think some of the concern stems from the way in which these policies are emplamented. I would say that we have some major flaws. Its not that anyone wants to see these people dissapear- but eventually make progress and maybe even contribute.
And...it's a bit simplistic to generalize in that fashion, seems to me. My adult stepson got into meth, got busted, eventually got his act together, and has for some years now been a highly productive member of society. A 2nd cousin had a hardcore alcohol problem, shot his wife to death one night, did a bunch of years in Deer Lodge (Montana State Prison), and yet stayed clean and sober for many years after getting out, working as a counselor to those still incarcerated, until cancer got him eventually.
There are definitely shades of gray in this picture, and black sometimes even turns to white.
A financial advisor told me that 1% of the population holds 97% of the money so your thinking is all messed up. If all the money was going to help the ones who need it, there probably wouldn't be a problem. Besides that, perhaps your profiling technique needs some work, here, let me help....I have had an ongoing addiction to heroin for 35 yrs. I raised three college graduates, have a degree in tech. communication, have written several books, owned a couple of businesses. Get a fact or two before you talk about other peoples' problems.
I actually see it from another point of view. There are a lot of normal people who have problems and no help and they end up turning to the bottle or drugs.
Maybe, if government could open up Coaching centres, Mentoring places or places to really help people with what they are going through, there wouldn't be so many on drugs and alcohol.
Some just use it to numb the emotional pain they are going through.
Another example is teens - a lot of teens are commiting suicide now because no one is really listening to them or getting them to open up to various issues they might be dealing with - which could be broken relationships, bullying, taunting, sexual abuse, weight issues etc. This eats away at them as they have no experience in dealing with it - then bad thoughts set in and before you know it, they turn to drinking, drugs or just kill themselves, thinking no one cares.
So sorry for writing a short Hub. Lol. ...but you did ask for a comment.
Yup, you are very very right....it's called self medicating. I don't think anyone wakes up and goes 'hey, today I'm going to become an addict of some sort.' Nor do you see little Suzie on career day going "nope, I'm good. Don't need to take THAT career test thing cuz I'm gonna be a dope fiend."
This statement is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard, open your eyes man. Lawyers, doctors, wall street traders, politicians..... there are people chopping up lines in all walks of life. You don't notice them, because they arent asking your for a dollar in the street. They say that ignorance is bliss, but your so ignorance that you must have a 24/7 non-stop orgasm or something.
Are you a drug addict yourself. Speaking as a recovering addict I'm not sure what your point is - am I lesser than you? Do I drain society or my own life. Addiction is a disease with, yes,unacceptable consequences. My feeling is you don't understand the disease of alcohol and drug addiction doesn't mean your bad,rather your sick.I only hope the many people with your feelings never have to beg and suffer the pain and loneliness that addiction brings. And Iam sure you can imagine what one has to do to get drugs in Jail,do you really believe they want to or maybe they have to. I am so sad to read this forum but amuse to this attitude. Not being educated about this one can only expect your type of statements Thank you
Could you please make some kind of response yourself given this is your forum, and much has been said - what's wrong? Yes you pissed a few people off but that's menial compared to how someone like myself as a recovering addict is draining society. Any thoughts?
I changed my mind. Now I am mad. Cabalacus, or whoever you are, what gives you the right to come on a very civil writing site and start this sort of exchange? You have seemingly come here to start fights. You only joined 16 hours ago, for God's sake! And as Kimberly points out so fervently, you have left without a whimper. Nothing. Cowardice, in my opinion. I am a proud member of society who also happens to have the disease of addiction. I do believe you won't appear here again. I certainly hope not.
Yes I do drink coffee but that is not what I am on about. I am talking about drug addicts and alcoholics tat do not want help, why are we supporting them when they have made a personal choice to use a substance. I have no issues with people who want help or addicts that do not impact on society in a negative way, I am from Scotland and there is a massive drink problem here but we just throw money at it with no real results. I also do not believe that addiction is an illness it is a personal choice that the individual makes
No way you people are still here trying to make sense with some people who just want to vent. Most likely they never lifted a finger to help someone else. Some of those people could have lost all hope in mankind, and a five minute conversation with you could have been all the help they needed to come back. Noooooo. People like to whine like little girls instead of doing something. DO SOMETHING!
well of course they are I mean where else are they going to make contacts, get free food, spontaneous strangers up the ass, clean sheets and clothes all for free of course addicts want to go to jail, it's where we can get high and nobody cares, we don't have to think about parties and family friends or functioning with making our own decisions - we enjoy restrictions and forced structure and the ability to be someone's bitch at any time. Thanks for sharing.
Let's round them up and burn them. Then trample their ashes into the streets of our cities and towns to serve as a precautionary tail for anyone who has the audacity to be human and succumb to weaknesses.
Let's not stop there. The mentally ill are a drain on our resources too. Pass the matches.
What about the homeless. Does anybody really like the homeless, with their pitiful looks and their homelessness-ness? Get the petrol.
What about people with a "z" in their name. I'm sick and tired of them walzing around using up resources with their strange "z" riddled names. They must be dysfunctional in some way. Toast em.
People with bushy eyebrows. Do we really need them? Do they have anything to contribute apart from the freakish bushiness of their eyebrows? I think not. More fuel.
Damn let's make a real saving. Everyone born on a date with an even number has got to go.
What is a human life worth? Is the throwing away of a person better us as a whole? Is a certain disease the highmark that makes all others above it legitimate?
Some very great people were drug addicts. Here are a few to contemplate:
Betty Ford Kirsty Alley J. Paul Getty, Jr. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Robin Williams Robert Downey, Jr. Ray Kroc Eminem Patrick Kennedy Ben Affleck James Frey Nick Nolte Jan Michael Vincent Nick Carter Boy George
Michael Jackson Keith Richards Robert Mitchum Judy Collins Rush Limbaugh Johnny Cash Joaquin Phoenix Pat O'Brien Elton John George Jones Kurt Cobain Courtney Love Leif Garrett John Belushi Eileen Brennan Daniel Baldwin Corey Feldman Corey Haim Marion Barry Whitney Houston Bobby Brown A. Whitney Brown Glen Campbell Dwight Gooden Darryl Strawberry Jerry Garcia Samuel L. Jackson Leonard Nimoy Kelly Osbourne James Brown Lenny Bruce Chevy Chase Robert Blake Eddie Van Halen David Crosby Judy Carne Billy Holiday Grace Slick Iggy Pop Richard Carpenter Dr. John Randy Moss Andy Dick Pat Day Tara Conner Al Unser, Jr. Jim Ramstad Roy Simmons Bela Lugosi Mickey Rourke Naomi Campbell Patrick Swayze Ted Kennedy Haley Joel Osment Anna Nicole Smith Vitas Gerulaitis Ozzy Osbourne Stevie Ray Vaughan John McVie Hank Williams III Paul Williams Franz Wright Christopher Kennedy Lawford Annie Leibowitz Mackenzie Phillips Jo Dee Messina Danny Bonaduce Dennis Quaid Jenna Bush Noelle Bush Dick Cheney Mel Gibson Michael Douglas Matthew Perry Charlie Sheen Paula Poundstone Kate Moss Ray Charles Johnny Depp Mary Tyler Moore Richard Dreyfuss Philip Seymour Hoffman John Daly Keith Moon Ted Turner George C. Scott Tony Curtis David Gahan Wynonna Judd Britney Spears Wilson Pickett Carrie Fisher Nell Carter Billy Bob Thornton Chris Webber Onterrio Smith Tom Sizemore Drew Barrymore Dick Van Dyke Larry Hagman James Galdolfini Pete Doherty Kiefer Sutherland
Elizabeth Taylor Colin Farrell Etta James Rick James Buzz Aldrin Chris Penn Jason Priestley Prince Harry Tom Arnold Brett Butler Dionne Warwick Ken Caminiti Jennifer Capriati
Tonya Harding Truman Capote Liza Minnelli Martin Lawrence Melanie Griffith Tatum O'Neal Lindsay Lohan Shelley Winters Eddie Money Jessica Hahn
Christian Slater Alice Cooper Winona Ryder Demi Moore Nicole Richie David Bowie O.J. Simpson Jim Brown Joe Louis Mike Tyson Joe Namath Lawrence Taylor Steve Howe Gerry Cooney Dock Ellis David Soul Stacy Ann Ferguson "Fergie" Oliver Stone Jessica Sierra Chyna Representative Mark Foley
Richard Pryor George Carlin Richard Lewis Rodney King Jean-Claude Van Damme Bo Bice (American Idol) Dr. Bob
Which ones you decide are more important than the others to treat could be based on their contributions to society I guess. How many more could achieve great things that are not on this list? Is it worth the effort?
I sure would like to know where you get all your bogus information, but what you have said here is very close to slander as far as I am concerned. I have been a heroin addict for over 30 years. I have raised three kids as a single parent, always paid my rent and bills, and sometimes worked two jobs to do it. I never stole anything, and never asked society or anyone else for any aid for my addiction. I would suggest that you research a topic before you just write down some generalized, and angry and untruthful misinformation. If you would like some real facts feel free to ask me anything you want to know on the subject, but as far as loving jail because it's free dope and meals, or anybody paying for my methadone program (which is legal by the way) you might want to get at least a couple of your facts right, for you make yourself look foolish. Oh, by the way, society did not help me put my three kids through college either.
I appreciate this comment, I also find this thread containing some remarks that are more than ignorant but flat out disgraceful and as you say, perhaps slanderous. On the other end of this, I also believe it is a postive that the thread has stayed open so those whom are responsible for such remarks can be rebuked.
I have been an addict too. I am not using currently but in my days I have been a poly user. Basically everything and anything, booze, pills, acid, ecstasy, amphetamines, cocaine, morphine and heroin, but heroin only once or twice. I was an IV user also. My addiction brought me to my knees more than once. I have also had much success despite my addictions. My situation was complicated by mental health issues also. I have been abused more than once on hubpages, slandered with hatred about mental health and drugs. I never report these things because that is not my way. I don't see it as a worthy use of my time.
Drug addiction is a real problem for society but it is one amongst many problems. I am going to dispute your story. I know some people whom have done amazing things and all the while, a daily user or alcoholic. That is not my story but it is yours.
I never got into heroin because in my circles, I saw too much suffering but that was a matter of opinion. My penchant for uppers took me to institutions time and time again.
Pointing the finger at drug users and alcoholics is ignorance. Changing the way our community deals with its problems is about tolerance and open discussion. I, as a recovering addict, take it on my back to practice what I preach, as goes my life in general. If I attack those whom attack me, what do I learn and what of them also. I slip up of course, but if I recognise my faults and change my behaviour, good on me. If anyone wants a reasonable open discussion about drug addiction, go for it. For the ignorant hate mob, your problem, not mine. Point the finger and there are three pointing back at you.
Dont let a hate junky sweat you! How is the naked idea working for you? Dont know if I should. Dont know if I could handle the extra traffic I would get, and the traffic accidents I would cause. Let Sneak go first!
No, it's not. Treatment and understanding and such is fine and can be part of a larger approach but when push comes to shove someone decides to drink/smoke/inject something and they are responsible for their choices.
well, having never been an addict, i can't relate to the addiction side of this equation. i can only speak as the child of an addict. (alcoholic father)
as far back as i can remember, he drank. we were dirt poor, many times we had no food for days, yet he always managed to have whiskey to drink. when i was around 6, i asked him why we didn't have food and howcome he didn't just go out and buy some food for us. he wept one time when i asked him that; i clearly remember that. when he was awake and sober, he was the kindest, sweetest most loving father ever. but most of the time he was either staggering around drunk, dancing and singing like an idiot, or passed out for hours. it was shameful and made me feel awful. shortly before he died, i remember this...i had saved up a bunch of money from babysitting and odd jobs around the neighborhood. well not a bunch - like 23 dollars or something. and he swore he needed it for gas. i didn't want to give it to him because i knew he would buy booze with it and i was afraid. he swore he needed it for gas, so i gave it to him and he went out and bought a giant bottle of whiskey and laughed saying 'yeah, gas for MY tank'.
i was weeping and angry and he was just laughing. when he was drunk, it made him mean and nasty and ugly and he wasn't like that at all. and he did make the choice to go out and buy it and drink it. there's always some moment when you can stop yourself.
'empathy'? what about empathy for your children? if you want to drink your life away that's fine but not when you have little ones depending on you. then your life isn't your own anymore.
the First Lady encourages people to volunteer. i think it would be splendid if she would compel people (able bodied of course) who are on the public dole to pay it back by volunteering. it would make them feel good and give back a valuable service to the community.
Alcoholism and addiction are mental illnesses just like many others. I agree with you sneaker that many of our programs to help these and others are lacking, the way things are set up, lots of our programs , the ones that are meant to help end up enabling instead. Most alkies/addicts that I have met do not want to live the way they do (though there are also many who are so much in denial that they don't know they are sick) There are programs that "Teaches them to fish" andit's self supporting. AAis one, Na is another.
here in the US what is draining the society are some policies which are misplaced, i.e, continuous military spending in Afghanistan, health reform program which is doomed to fail even at the start, unemployment rate placed at 10 percent and above, there is a need for overall makeover of the system, they should have emergency meeting to discuss all of these, OBAMA admin
We fork out millions every year to HELP !!!!!!!!!! these people when the vast majority do not want help, they get all the benefits going and FREE prescriptions for there methadone (make them pay for it if they really want help. The genuine ones who do want help are being left behind because of all the wasters out there who take up all the time and resources.
But your from Scotland? It's not costing you anything, it's costing ME to look after your junkies.... since Scotland is largely subsidised by English taxpayers, and then get their university studies free and additional healthcare services. So what if I said that the English refused to subsidise Scotland and that if you needed your subsidised education and your subsidised healthcare, you would have to pay for it?
I am a recovering drug addict. I have been on methadone for a little over 2 1/2 years now. I have been completely clean for 1 1/2. I have to drive 50 miles to the clinic, which used to be 7 days a week until i earned my takehomes. This totals close to a $1,000 a month. I receive no aid to help pay for my methadone, or the cost of driving to the clinic. I do not get food stamps, or any form of financial aid. I work full time and i am a full time student. I have never met a drug user that wanted to go to jail to get heroin, and very few who did not want to get clean. It's impossible for someone who hasn't been through it to understand it, because after long periods of narcotic usage the brains reward and pleasure centers cease to function correctly. If you were an addict, you would know that withdrawal is the worst feeling imaginable, and going to jail pretty much guarantees you will go into withdrawal. I can't comment on how easy it is to get drugs in prison, because i've never been. But i do know that no one i know who has been to jail has been able to get anything beyond the very occasional joint, and few rumors of harder drugs. Most prisons aren't like the ones on television where the inmates are paying off guards and sneaking in kilos of cocaine.
Are you by any chance a DEA agent. I'm just wondering cause this years statistics said that more people die from tobacco than drugs,auto accidents,and alcohol poisoning put together.So why aren't we doing something about that? Most people think punishment will deter but it hasn't worked since the inception of drug laws in fact things get worse every year.the stats on treatment indicate an 80% recidivism rate.Maybe we should look at countries that have had success in this area and follow there lead. I am referring to Holland of course. When you make something Illegal you effectively give up control of it and criminals step in.The drugstore doesn't want your fourteen year old daughter to take Heroin but that criminal drug dealer she passes on the street SURE does.If we control it the criminals will evaporate because there profit margin will disappear(how do you talk a fifteen year old into getting a paper rout when he can make three grand a WEEK END selling crack) and the accidental addicts will virtually disappear as well.That has happened in several countries already.Also,the number of people who will NOT go to prison frees up space in our overcrowded prisons for VIOLENT criminals...
I think you make some very good points. The demand that is escallated by the governments involvement has definitely shown its' affect on increasing the prices and resulted in the rise and costs in crime.
With regard to 14 year olds getting the drugs there could be a problem. As with legal alcohol there is more of a possibility that underage abuse could increase. The drunk driving laws have been somewhat effective but the loss to the drunk driver in relationship to money, job, family and recovery has come at a terrible cost to all involved.
How would you address these issues by the legalization of drugs? The only feasible way I could see it improving is by holding the children accountable at an earlier age. Breaking the law is easier if you are a child and breaking an age restricted law could lessen the accountability as we have seen with underage drinking.
Keeping it illegal helps the courts deal with the problem with juveniles easier but it should be kept illeagal to stop the slap on the hand punishment juvenile courts hand out. The drop to bottom that causes addicts and drunks to look to recovery should be a steeper and quicker descent so that the recovery can begin earlier.
I absolutely agree with you.There are no easy answers.I spent a few years as a councilor at a felony convicted youth camp.We identified two persistent problems with our kids. Lack of real self esteem which led to self medication. Lack of self discipline which caused a blurring of right and wrong. Unfortunately the support system for these kids after release is virtually nonexistent.Many times when I did home visits I found the parents involved in dealing drugs.That kid has no chance.It seems that most people turn to drugs to self medicate.perhaps the govt should put more funds into preventive mental health.In my experience That is the monster.Only 20% of our kids did not reoffend,they all had one thing in common,they had taken to heart the Examples we set for self esteem and living by Principles.Remove hopelessness and the largest part of Americas drug problem will evaporate,I guarantee it.
Measurable or not the current strategy is not working.America is the wealthiest country on earth.We must rethink our priorities.Education,mental health,economic opportunities,these are the weapons that will vanquish hopelessness.Your correct about "an unsupportable guarantee",but finding a child hanging from the rafters in his bed room will create the same passion in you.conversation about this problem is the way to a solution,but the reality of the Hopeless lives these people live is a hammer blow to anyone who deals with it.I have seen time and time again amazing results when kids(thats who I deal with daily)are given Hope for a future,REAL hope.Without hope we are all lost.Please forgive my "guarantee"comment,it came from desire...peace...
There is some evidence to support what you say about the support from home greatly influencing the kids to use. The drug addicted parent can also be used as an example to the children by being prosecuted to their bottom as well. I know that the recidivism is high with these home conditions for children but letting the parents off lightly also provides an example the children observe.
You also have to weigh in the fact that by being from the same genes as the parents the children have a built in addictive factor in their biology and that these types of kids should be taught quickly and decidedly so as to help them acheive their bottom more quickly and therefore on the road to recovery more quickly as well.
I always thought that medium and minimum security inmates could be used for the jobs "nobody wants to do" that was usually carried out by the illegal imigrants. now the economy does not have such jobs.
There are quite a few states using inmates for road crews, ditch work and public upkeep, but more and more are dropping those programs for cost reasons. Security has also become a concern. Here in Tennessee its a cost consideration though. There simply aren't enough Officers to work the prisons and jails let alone provide security for work programs. However they have gotten around that by making those same jobs now the responsibility of those doing community service. They don't get paid for working, but actually pay the state while they're out there. I think its fair. You might also be surprised by just how many inmates want to do some kind of work program while incarcerated. It's actually considered a privilege in states like Georgia, and North Carolina that still employ chain gangs and work crews. Inmates will do anything to get out of that cell for a few hours.
I don't think you could honestly say they drain the economy here in the states. When you seriously look at the money that goes into housing and rehabilitating addicts its quite minuscule. In fact drug abuse is big business in many southern states. Most have laws that give over 90% of all assets and funds seized by the arresting body back to that department. In Lowndes County Georgia for instance, seized funds and vehicles have paid for a new fleet of patrol cars, weapons, equipment and training for its officers. There is a simple truth spoken around many capitol buildings, that when drugs are no longer profitable for the government then they will make them legal and taxable.
70% of crime is committed by drug addicts...alcohol alone accounts for 80% of domestic violence...I work with adolescent drug abusers and the single, most oft repeated reason for their drug use is boredom...Have humans adapted so far that there is nothing in the existing world that holds their attention..? Boredom to me reflects a person that is themselves boring...no energy, no curiosity, only self satisfaction...
Alcohol is legal but you still can't drink at work it would be the same with other drugs. Mandatory testing and compliance. Most drugs are easily detected by dip strips now, no need to send it off to a lab or anything.
The real coup would be if the government took over the supplies and sold them. Talk about a revenue stream. Plus they could control quality and dosage(To an extent) there will always be bootlegging.
I work in the corporate world. Believe me.....there is plenty-o-cocktailing goin' on at lunch. Maybe a line or two in the restroom, one hitter on their break. I even know people who had such issues that they had a "mug" of WINE on the way to work. Seriously, doesn't matter if its legal or not. Legality is not going to change where/when/how the substance is used. Just like cigarettes. I'm just sayin'.
I don't know about that.Do you really think more people would use drugs if they were legal? I mean Alcohol is legal and social drinkers are still social drinkers, Alcoholics are still alcoholics. It seems to to me legal or not those who want abuse substances will abuse them. Those who don't won't.
Your right it would be horrible(just as an aside I am a recovering alkie myself) But many places have random drug testing now,The people I know who drive for a living or use heavy equipment have to agreement when hired to be randomly tested. I can't imagine talking to a high telemarketer though LOL that would be an experience! Try getting them offthe phone ;D
Do you have any idea what the so-called war on drugs costs all of us?
If you really believe that it is the alcoholics and drug addicts who are bringing this nation to its knees you are extremely ill informed or just got dumped by a druggie or a drunk, probably a sober one.
I worked in addiction treatment and dual diagnosis for years and never in a treatment center that was not truly non-profit. Our recidivism rates were just as low if not lower than the centers who charge big bucks for treatment, not to mention the ones that rake in stupendous amounts of money to keep spoiled brats out of jail.
I can tell you a few things you may not know or haven't thought of as yet.
Our "drug" policies and laws are incredibly stupid and most everyone who knows anything about the situation knows it.
Years ago, Tim Leary, of all people, told the congress that if they started out-lawing a whole bunch of substances they would pretty much guarantee that the children of the county would have access to those substances. Leary must have been a prophet or something, because that is exactly what happened.
Not all substances, currently illegal, are alike. Surely we can all agree that it really is stupid to outlaw a plant. Most of us can agree that we should not "legalize" certain plants either. That's because anything that is legal to do with those plants, corporations will do to make gazillions of Euros and kill far more people in the process. We should simply decriminalize cannabis plants and look, in the future, to doing the same thing with tobacco. The tobacco interests have had decades to get off the dole and and stop making gazillions off of addiction and death.
The more a substance has to be processed, the more opportunities there are for corruption of all kinds.
Does anyone really believe that the U.S. government could not have gotten rid of the drug-cartels years ago if they really, really wanted to? We pretty much have the world on our side when we bust the cocaine traffickers and the meth thugs, but there is big money to be made off anything black market, in other words, illegal. Not just for the drug lords but for a whole host of other folks right here in the U.S.A. and I'm not talking about the neighborhood pushers. I'm talking about up-standing citizens.
The war on drugs is just like many of our wars or armed struggles seem to have been lately, expensive to all the tax-payers and profitable to highly profitable to some of the tax-payers and even to some who pay no taxes at all to this nation's treasury.
Drugs of all kinds are used and abused across the whole spectrum of society. It's a colossal industry that effects everyone indirectly, if not directly. Drug users live and work in every walk of life and, whether you're aware of it or not, you'll know some.
The original question appears to suggest that those drug users who can't afford or control their habit are the guilty ones; not victims of the drugs trade but perversely the real villains. If you really believe that, I respectfully suggest you need to think a little bit harder.
I beg to differ with the original poster. Not all drug and alcohol users, otherwise known as addicts, are worthless. Get real, man. Your opening statement sounded bias. I work with substance abusers regularly and yeah, I do see some cases of lack of motivation being the primary cause of the abuse. But a lot of these folks have a dual diagnosis too....both substance and Mental disorders. So whoa up a minute.
Ha, hell I needed that and your so right we should be moving right along leaving those behind who can't stand up when they're wrong - well I tried to rhyme, it's late and I need to find a puppy park fast
Firstly, I have not deserted my forum, I went to bed. I did not write the original post to start a war. I was not getting at recovering addicts, I actually respect them for helping themselves. My main point is about the people who have contributed nothing to society and are not willing to change their ways, why should we support their habit and let them ruin our society. YES some doctors and lawyers are drug addicts and alcoholics, I have no issues with this as they contribute to society.
It is a social ill, we must help them, understanding why are they doing it, and their prob is comlicated enough, if we just kill them for example, are we solving the problem, no, there will always be cases like these,
and further more you with no hubs questioning the contributions of others just kills me. this drug addict and alcoholic has 19.when you write more than i have. ill hand you the stone myself. then you can feel free to throw it . your off to a bad start. but welcome to this venue anyway .
I think you are all focusing on this subject the wrong way. If, as I have been told by several economists, 97% of the cash is owned by 1% of the worlds population, the very small percentages that any of us pay out into this or any other charitable org. is an extremely small percentage of cash. Secondly, it would seem to me that being misinformed on who the addicts are, and just assuming that they are all a bunch of freeloading do nothings is crap. Nobody but me has ever paid anything towards my addiction, and I am a college graduate, not a homeless hobo. Too many assumtions, falling too far from the truth here, I am afraid.
I can not believe this thread got busy again - it's a ridiculous subject matter that warrants none of our time.
Yet even myself feels a need to comment on the fact it is not because I am a recovering addict myself that your uneducated comment gets under my skin but more so because this forum is meant for no other reasons to slap alcoholics and addicts across the face when you know nothing of their disease.
Here I sit having lost friends and family to this disease and you act as though it is a choice.
That these addicts bringing down society, as you ask, are the very same people who aren't bringing down society, helping more due to recovery and solutions, when better are volunteering and helping the hungry and tired, because we know how hard it is to HAVE to live this way. Come to a NA meeting or live with an addict surviving on the street, then write me your cocky assumptions of slapping one grouped category of people because you have some hidden demons you don't have the balls to deal with. Then come make your statement soldier. See you in the mud.
the name should be changed to “how to write a stupid statement and get your thread severly hijacked” and i have to go stack wood now, im not realy an unproductive excuse for government charity, i just like whiskey....
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