If you'd been a prosyletizing Catholic, Mormon, Jew or any other
"orthodox" religion, the military would have evicted you from their ranks, but be a radical muslim, such as Major Nidal
Malik Hasan and instead of providing therapy to PTSD soldiers, you can spend your time trying to convince them they're infidel dogs, and converse with radical Imams connected to 9/11 and no one so much as raises an eyebrow. For if you do - OMG! You're that most dreaded of beings- A (gasp!) PROFILER!
Guess what? Police, FBI, profile for a reason. If you're looking for a serial killer attacking young, beautiful women, you don't start running background checks on 80 year old female parapalegics, you look for young to middle age WHITE males. Racial profiling, yes, though you'll never hear anyone calling it that. Most likely suspect, also yes. Face it, their is a valid profile for radical islamic terrorists and Hasan filled it to a T. But it was worth anyones' job to say so. And people died because of that.
Hi, I can never understand why is it as you say we seem to be so ingratiating to Muslims? if a hindu did something or christian etc we would all be treated the same, I always think that if this was 70 years ago, would winston churchill have said to every German living in england, oh that's fine of you go dearie! don't think so!
The reason why this happened is because the shooter was not profiled? From preliminary reports the FBI had him under suspicion for awhile and they dropped the ball. What further extent do you think we should take it too? Perhaps special papers and maybe a tato? Or should we throw then all in internment camps like the Japanese during World War l? The basic problem I see in what happened so far is a failure in the security system to act on procedure and not the law letting us down. Unfortunately the persons involved in botching the follow through will not lose their jobs. This is a cost of living in a free society.
Do you think it was for political correctness? You don't know bureaucrats then. They will pass any and all information on when it comes to their buts getting in trouble. I really think that with the current anger over radical islamists the PC agenda would not have passed on this. Bad call is all. Or....Ummmm....is.. it a conspiracy. Maybe the Obama knew about it and ordered a cease and desist. You know he is a muslim right?
Why don't you fill me in on the correct distortion you are referring too?
And what do bureaucrats do when they think that saying something might come back to bite them in the ass in the form of accusations of discrimination?
Everyone profiles and stereotypes everyone because it is a natural mental reaction. We still retain instincts but cover them with will, determination, and knowledge(most of the time). Profiling and stereotyping feeds off of our original reaction to something else alive, to run or fight. This is why females get nervous seeing say a large black or white male in a parking lot late at night with no one else around. Its why they creep backwards, its a way to stay alive/safe etc. Its all basics and thats why no matter how much learning you get you always profile or stereotype before you get to know them.
Thanks "T", I am a big fan of safety and am definately guilty of being careful. These days I am also worried about the unanticipated suspect that may just be hiding a weapon under that blanket covering the worn shoes even though they sit in a wheelchair. We eliminate the ones we can, be viligant of the others and do our best - profiler, yep and I'm still living to answer your questions.
The problem comes in when big brother takes it to new heights - we all become suspect in some way or another. What's the answer?
The American military is a major force in promoting Christian religions, not restraining them.
When I was in Marine boot camp Sunday mornings were the only "free-time" periods we had. But remember, freedom is not free.
With our four hours of time we had a few choices, letter writing, newspaper reading, or church. Just to get out of the barracks most marched off, including myself a few times, to services, which are split up amongst the several denomonations.....for non-Christians there wasn't anything available....
Prayer to the Christian God was a required part of numerous ceremonies, and there was no choice to participate or not....we were ordered to bow our heads and pray, and we had to...
When I wanted to see a psychologist to ask some questions I was stonewalled for three weeks, until a "emergency evaluation" concocted by my 1st sergeant sent me to a psychiatrist.....which had nothing to do with the information I was seeking....and leaving black mark against me, since rumors then spread around that I had threatened to kill people in my company....something that was ludicrous, and maliciously spread around with the support of this same 1st sergeant.
Up til that travesty of a meeting with the psychiatrist the only person that I was sent to see was my battalion chaplain, who was of course a Protestant Christian and approached me through the Bible.
I had issues with a personal relationship at the time, and the Bible was not going to help me.
I was a professed non-Christian, but saw the cross and Jesus being promoted all over the place....and I felt bad for Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists who have to live and work amongst many people who have no desire to understand them, and get a kick out of beating other people down, physically or emotionally....
I served on many bases across this nation, and even in the Pacific, but the one constant was the reminders of Christian church services every week, the forced prayers, and the directing to Christian religious counselors when all I wanted was some good old secular interaction....
Racism is widespread in the military, as is sexism and religious intolerance....if you want to discuss this further you know where to reach me.
Yeah sorry, I fell into my own trap there, the trouble in England is that the government come up with all sorts of things to cause trouble, in reality over here we tend to get on just fine. Even Muslims in this county get mad because of the stupidity of the government and do gooders, most of them just like the rest of us just want to get on with our lives. apologies. Nell
The Profiling of Terror suspects is highly problematic. Terror suspects do not fit into say a psychopathic profile of say a serial killer or serial sex offender. More often than not terror attacks are related to a(legitimate of otherwise) protest over the repeated failure of a political system. Not to a personal character or psychological flaw.
To barryrutherford, you skip something when you say profiling terrorists is problematic, maybe I left it out, Radical Islamic Terrorists, no one ever wants to use those first two words anymore when talking terrorism. Heck, they're even trying to get away without saying the "terrorism" part. But once you put all three together, profiling becomes less "problematic."
What about radical christian terrorist?
Or Radical conservative terrorists.
Lets us be honest here - I am more scared of you than I am of PC.
Which makes you a terrorist.
Bet you beleeb in jeebus too huh?
Radical Atheist Dolphin Lovers?
But we don't scare anyone.
What a surprise.
How did I know the bigot couldn't resist?
I AM LAUGHING.
At your expense I might add.........
Did you ask Lita what the big words meant yet?
You already covered the "education" part. Shouldn't you be telling me how important you are by now?
Oh - did I give you the impression I was important? Sorry - An accident. Not important at all. Sorry my opinions are intimidating. Like I said - ask Lita what the big words mean.
My apologies. I did not mean to intimidate you as well. You are from Texas? Great state. Makes me feel like a god every time I visit. Thanks. When Lita gets here - she will explain what the big words mean.
Are you insulting the great state of Texas? Why would you do that?
Guess you do have some issues. I thought I was clear - I love Texas.... Great state. Makes me feel like a god every time I visit. Thanks.
This arrogance matches your bigotry well but is very unfortunate. There are no doubt lots of people in that large state who share many of your *ahem* views and you're insulting and belittling them as well. Your attitude is irrational, illogical, and unfair. Is that how you want to think of yourself?
Well, maybe Lita will explain?
But for now - I was not joking. I love Texas. Makes me feel like a god every time I visit.
"I love Texas. Makes me feel like a god every time I visit." Strange spin on sodomy.
What? Petty, irrational, psychotic, and nonexistent?
Back to topic now. Political correctness and laziness may have had a role in overlooking too many of Major Hasan's issues. However, Islam is by no means favored among religions in the military, and I have to wonder about anyone who isn't a Christian fundamentalist who is stationed in the middle of the Bible Belt and doesn't expect to be treated in the least like a religious minority.
No Tex, it's sack of hammers. Can't you even get the colloquialisms right?
Hey! the caps lock still works! Touche'
Oddly enough, there is the Troll that follows him around.
That sounds like another personal attack. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though. I gather now that you were denied an education as a young person - and this has left you with a rather large chip on your shoulder - so maybe you could ask one of the better educated members like Lita to explain what "bigot" means ?
Then maybe you would stop mis-using this word. Eventually - she will be able to teach you the real meaning of all sorts of interesting words.
Good luck with your education.
If you can cite a single case of a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine who has been kicked out of the U.S. military for being a Catholic, Jew, or Mormon, your post may have a small shred of validity.
Because you can't, it's just more of the same right-wing nonsense that keeps Fox News afloat. The assertion being put forward by the wackiest of the conservatives, that political correctness caused the slaughter at Fort Hood is despicable. People who advocate and implement violence as a solution to their frustrations with a free society are much more likely to be socially conservative than "pc".
Ron ,Nidal had no less then 20 emails to an Inmam who professes hate for the USA and has been on the FBI radar for no less then a year , this Inmam Alwaki also counceled two of the 9-11 terrorist that rode planes into the twin towers . But I guess Nidal was just giving him a psychological evaluation online right ? And lostgirlcat you are right it seems the only fair game to attack these days is Christians . PC has 13 bodies at their doorstep .
Same question. Can you cite a single case to back up your absurd claim of Christians being persecuted? Of course you can't. Do you have an original thought to add to the discussion? Glenn Beck already has enough parrots representing him on this forum.
Yeah, and the Chris Matthews lemmings on the forum all have thrills running constantly up their legs.
• noun a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.
An AD HOMINEM is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie … minem.html)
How about the jewish terrorists?
My favourite list of fallacies demonstrated by tksensei:
argumentum ad populum
style over substance and,
The best has got to be straw man.
Thinking this could be a topic of a new hub
Because you mean so much to so many people,
tksensei - a love story
lol You're great. Been here just over a week and figured it out post haste, haha. Unlike, supposedly, Hubpage management-- which is unable to do so.
Careful, . He might start following you around and calling you 'cow.'
It's worth all the lives of those that believe in political correctness.
I did a mathematical equation. One life is equal to exactly 45,593 units of political correctness. The difficulty will be finding and measuring how many units a particular act of political correctness cost.
This will be a long and arduous study.
I bet Gore is setting up a company right now to sell units of political correctness offsets.
Wait...Obama is a Muslim? I thought he was a member of that Reverend Wright guy's church? Who knew??
Obama was muslim when he was younger. When he attended school in Indonesia, they listed his religion as Muslim. I think he became a christian when he started his political career in Chicago. Although I would think that would make him an apostate?
The answer, as with all things, is to take a balanced a reasoned approach, as in - you do follow up on some guy in your own military who tries to contact al-Qaeda - and you don't check 80-year-old ladies' under wire bras for "weapons" when they try to get on an airplane while letting young middle-eastern men just walk on board.
As usual, the whole idea of profiling is abused, when it could be made to work if used with logic and sensitivity.
Very true. The PC crowd seems to project a lot of their own prejudices on other people. Profiling means that being Muslim is not enough to suspect you but it is a starting point. In this situation, the signs were there and it was ignored and innocent people were killed and hurt. My concern is that when people overlook the obvious in the military, what is not to say that it can't happen at the federal government? For all we know there could be someone working at higher levels who could do something really bad some day.
"and you don't check 80-year-old ladies' under wire bras for "weapons" when they try to get on an airplane while letting young middle-eastern men just walk on board."
No matter how tempting DO NOT point this out to a TSA person at the Airport! The DO NOT find it informative or funny....I'm just saying....
We are all being played like a violin concerto, and I "sense" it is coming to a head.
But seriously - there are 1.5 million active armed military personnel in the US forces. Plus goodness knows how many support personnel and suppliers. What are the chance of rooting out every single nutcase?
And this religionist is just another nutcase - who had been wound up and played like a violin by "the other side."
Both of whom desire the status quo be maintained. So their buddies can keep on selling guns to us idiots. And lending us the money to buy them.
Bejeebus is just one of the many ways we are played......
Any religion that utilizes the horrific death of others as a method of conversion is despicable. And most religions have used that method at some point in their history. But most have also evolved into a more civilized 21st century that does not countenance such behavior. It is that religion which seeks to drag us backwards into the barbarity of the dark ages, where blood sacrifice, and women as chattel were the accepted modes of conduct, which need to be fought against, despite your belief, or non-belief, in the God of your choosing.
Are you planning on adding something to the conversation or not?
I find it very annoying and usually when I find something very annoying, that person tends to get an ear full. How ever, since I am a computer, I'll simply say this- You are or seem to be ignorant.
The fact is political correctness has covered up shame of oneself. This is undisputed!
The political aspect of everyday life is absurd. If I feel the need or choose(by freedom of choice), to call someone short, instead of vertically challenged, then I can.
Accept the fact that you're short and then get over yourself, and stop being offended. It really didn't do any harm. There are alot of people who are shorter than I am(6'2"), and I know that. There is a girl I know, every time I see her, I call her shorty. I don't even use her name.
Does that make me a bad person? No! It doesn't. It means, that I have a special kind of understanding with her that she knows that it's not meant as an attack.
That is another mental issue. People being hurt be words? Come on already. Didn't your mother ever tell you 'sticks and stone may break my bones, but words will never hurt me'.? If not, then I'm sorry.
Words are just that- there words. Yes, they can be hurtful to your feelings, but experiencing that hurtfulness is part of who you are and how you deal with it, defines your character.
Politcial correctness is for the birds. It's just another system to control how you think.
Hmmm. Is it better to be liked or to actually make sense?
Brilliant dialogue here.
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."
The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."
She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican."
"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"
"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."
The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."
"I am," replied the balloonist. "But how did you know?"
"Well," said the man, "You don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You've made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and now you expect ME to solve your problem. You're in EXACTLY the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now, it's MY fault.
How come Republicans are so good at making money, and stealing it? Why since the Reagan Administration; every Republican that goes to the White House raids the treasury, and leaves this country in debt and depression? That is your fault. I'm not impressed with how smart you are. I'll take a honest man over a smart crook any day.
On the subject of this forum: I dont think any amount of profiling could have stopped this attack. The man was a Major in the army, he was a psychologist, he snapped. No one could have seen this coming.
Hear!Hear! Mark, Ron, Uninvited, Cole, Lita, Pam, Cagsil and friendly!(if it applies and I left you off it's not because I don't love you)
Sorry, I don't see basically a single Republican here with precise information about anything. Instead, we have a bunch just aping the hot air balloons of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
All, lol, we are asking is that your dead carcass party get out of the way so we Democrats can go about doing our work. And that's the truth of the matter.
Sorry to go off the subject, but I got to say YOU ARE MY HERO!
You really sock it to these %##$@ @!@@#% without getting banned. Love you.
The truth! You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the butt! If you did you'd never admit it.
Yes, it is easier if the opposition would just shut up and sit down, even if they are the minority...especially if they are the minority. I really hate it for your side and I pity you...honestly I do. How those Democrats can't seem to get their sh** together and just make things happen. Who needs the GOP anyway? It's just so SAD!
Well then, Repugs () need to get their sh*t together both here on the forums and in congress and make some kind of sense and a valid contribution. I just don't see it...though I hear they used to be a party of practical problems solvers. ?
As it is, the Republican party is going the way of Sarah Palin and those who think Jim Jones-type Christians are just fine (or who can't understand that a poster on here said that...not something else) and who have as their legitimate leaders Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
Cute. Is that like Demoncrats?
Legitimate leaders? Who fed you that? Keith Olberman? The 'thrill up his leg guy'? Since when are TV personalities considered leaders? Libs just can't stand it when the "lies" are about their guy.
Truly, does it matter? Both parties are either dying or transforming into something else. Progressives are not the Democratic party and Republicans...well, maybe a leader is waiting in the wings.
It's pretty simple right now, though, no matter who's on the boob toob. Progressives represent restriction on individuals and support for the collective. Conservatives, well, we're the real people, and we're the majority. Like I said: Who needs the GOP anyway? Enjoy the run while it lasts.
I think the word we are looking is not political correctness, but political awareness. I don't think people that start these type post would understand. Many of them are servants of evil calling themselves Christians or Christian Conservatives. I don't think, Satan could have found a better friend than them.
Haha. Well, it is easy when truth is on our side, . And I've had a lot of practice. lol
"Many of them are servants of evil calling themselves Christians or Christian conservatives. I don't think, Satan could have found a better friend than them."
Yes, who is attacking who?
Who ever censored my comment also doesn't read any farther than the end of their nose.
Yeah, OK, here is the thing: You can call parties or religions this or that, but you really can't (and don't need to) say the other person is a 9%&(())8&^*&%&%^&.
That is, except very recently. Which seems to be a rather arbitrary/personal requisite.
But you know, whatever.
Sneak, stop letting them bait you. Don't engage in something so pointless. That there is a poster here who has branded christians as evil and satanic should make it obvious to you his senseless bigotry. That there are posters here who have have proclaimed the death of the republican party, you must see as desperate wishful thinking considering what happened at the most recent election.
The tide is turning Sneak. It's slowly gathering momentum. Don't worry.
Oh, boy. Here's another thing, at least from my perspective: all in fun. This is just banter. I don't dislike anyone personally (don't know much about many of you).
I could be just defending my good Christian faith, (LOL) read and understand:
Many of them are servants of evil calling themselves Christians or Christian Conservatives.
I can see the source of liberal wisdom is a broken record as well. I wonder what other tricks he knows.
I spent some time in a face book group opposing people that was attacking Christianity. I now understand why they do so, it's because of the thinking and the hate spread by people call themselves Christians. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/grou … 8246661532
Maybe I need to apologise to them
Cartman's lament for the GOP
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t … -base.html
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