Is Miss. America pageant only for white Americans?

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   Anishpatposted 10 years ago

   Is Miss. America pageant only for white Americans?
   
   When an Indian American wins the spelling bee, nobody minds but when an Indian American wins Miss. America, people make racist comments! Why?
   
   

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   stuff4kidsposted 10 years ago

   Because Miss America is an outdated remnant of revolting sexist nonsense that comes from a time when sexism, racism and bigotry were standard in the culture.
   
   Those who enjoy it are most likely not the most enlightened among us in any case.

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      johnsonrallenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Spot on.

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      ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely!

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   NateB11posted 10 years ago

   Apparently so. The racist backlash on Twitter is just a reflection of what America is; one of the good things about social media, it exposes people for what they actually are. Of course, the backlash didn't surprise me at all; I've grown up in America, I know what it's all about. America is afraid of anyone they consider "an outsider", and not just in the field of Miss America pageants. America is divisive, fundamentally.

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      cynthtggtposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Here's a link to the interview, and note that even the winner said the tweets did not reflect all of America, or ALL white Americans:  http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html? … from_homep

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      NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It's too bad she's deluded about that. However, I'm aware and awake.

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   LoisRyan13903posted 10 years ago

   It is like when in the last Summer Olympics when Gabby Johnson (I think that is her name) won the All Around in Gymnastics, people were more critical of how she did her hair than the fact that she won.  If Barrak Obama was white, you wouldn't here as much trash about him as you do now.

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      CalebSparksposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Lois, the people I hear and come in contact with are upset and alarmed by Obama's blatantly socialist POLICIES, not his skin color. Isn't it time for everyone to retire that silly argument?

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      NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly or else they wouldn't question where he's from and call him Muslim. Obviously his brown skin has classed him as an outsider in their eyes.

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Lois you hit the nail on the head -- it is trash that is talking when they speak in this manner.

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      RealityTalkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone is right. There is a lot of hate for Obama because he is African American. There is also a lot of dislike of Obama's policies. There are also prominent African Americans who dislike Obama as much as European Americans. He is liked & not.

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   christiananrkistposted 10 years ago

   because people are obsessed with race in this country. so many people continue to acknowledge someone elses skin color as if they are able to gauge what type of person they are because of it. every time it comes out that someone is the first of whatever race to do something, people act ridiculous. they either behave like they are so proud saying what a great day. or people make idiotic racist comments and stereotypes. I personally dont see why it matters. i say this all the time, but race is nothing more than where someones immediate ancestry was from on a certain piece of dirt surrounded by an imaginary line given a name. to think this matters in any way about anything is crazy. why do people continue to be obsessed with race?

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      ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't that the truth? I've never understood that either, just never made sense to me. In this vast universe we inhabit, skin color is what we harp on. sigh.

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I am not color blind I am color celebratory. My wife gets stopped in grocery stores with our Amerasian son and people tell her how handsome he his and he must have a white father. We celebrate that.

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      RealityTalkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The interesting thing about America is most of us are a mix of something. Not many pure breeds here. I'm a mix of 5 European nationalities, my wife of 4. My wife is Jewish; I'm a Catholic upbringing. Our children a mix. My nephews Korean & A.Amer

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   MG Singhposted 10 years ago

   The American white population has as yet not got over its hangover of slavery over the black man and domination over other nonwhites. The fact is 27% of America is non white and this is a galling thought for the whites. That is the reason 60% of the whites oppose Obama, just for the heck of it.
   Unfortunately the whites in due course will have to reconcile to this new development. Some have realized it already. An Indian origin girl winning the beauty pageant is great stuff.It shows that there is hope in the future despite a large majority of whites still wanting race dominance.

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      Ranziposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yes very true, I could't  agree more

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      MG Singh, and you know this how? Normally in America we do not lump a concept of "all white or all black."  I understand they still practice this concept in some places like India, but it is not acceptable norm here. I am white you know my thoughts?

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      NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You nailed it, MG Singh.

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      Fuginagasakiposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      MG Singh I am Mulatto male. So are you saying that Half of me wants to over power all the blacks and enslave myself. Gosh I must be so confused. Please keep your racism to yourself.

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      Rosie writesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      This is a very racist comment.  I don't know of any "whites" that want dominance over anyone.  All of the "whites" I know are people who are married to people of other nationalities/races or have a circle of friends that are a huge mix of ethnicities

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      LoisRyan13903posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      wouldn't say a large majority but there are still groups in this country that have that way of thinking.  Don't know of any myself

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   Mark Monroeposted 10 years ago

   As a society, America still has a lot of growing up to do.  We have always been dependent on our diversity to make us strong, however we have done a terrible jobs recognizing that fact. 
   
   With that being said I agree with stuff4kids that pageant itself is an indication of how far we have to go as a society before we can say we have reached maturity.

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      CalebSparksposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Question, Mark---for what have we been dependent on diversity and how has it made us strong? I find that America was strong in the past because of the solid principles that at one time united us.

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   cynthtggtposted 10 years ago

   What were some of the racist comments?  The Miss America Beauty Contest has been made fun of for as long as I have lived in this country.  Rather than racist, could some of the comments be more "gender" related discrimination? 
   
   There have been enumerable non-white winners in this contest over the years.  I have watched some contests when I was little but have not seen any in about 20 years.  But to say that this is a "white" racism is a stretch, since there have been many contestants who were not white who won over the years.  That more white women won the contest in the past would perhaps reflect more about who was in the majority years ago.

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      swordsbaneposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It's not your garden-variety racism, that's for sure... but it's racism all right.  It doesn't get anymore racist than that.  This particular kind is generated by fear of Muslims.  Being Indian and Hindu is too close to Arabic and Muslim for some.

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      cynthtggtposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I come from the position that there are racist persons in all colors and no race walks on water or its people all so very good.  The above video link I provided shows that even Miss America believes as I do.

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      NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The Tweets were obviously racist, no stretch at all. So clear. Doesn't get anymore blatant than that.

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   RealityTalkposted 10 years ago

   I agree with stuff4kids.  Why do people even care about such pageants. Modern day pageants try to put on a face saying they are about more than physical beauty, but does any even moderately intelligent person believe that?  Has there ever been an ugly contestant or if yes an ugly contestant that has won?
   
   These pageants are nothing more than a meat show of self-centered egotistical women who think they are more beautiful than anyone else judged by celebrities and or politically motivated groups intending to make a profit.
   
   I think where cries against non-whites winning sometimes may come from those recognizing the winners are often the result of politically motivated decisions.
   
   But even if we can agree the contests are usually far from legitimate, who cares?  These shows never interest me and I never watch.

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      johnsonrallenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Wow. You're pretty much spot on here, in my opinion.

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      Borsiaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not a fan but they are "beauty" pageants so I wouldn't expect a winner who is ugly or even plain / average looking.
      Let them have their fun. If you have ever listened to the question / answer section they don't have much else to work with.

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    wildernessposted 10 years ago

    Miss America winners:
    Vanessa Williams 1980
    Suzette Charles
    Debbye Turner 1990
    Marjorie Vincent 1991
    Kinberly Aiken 1994
    Erika Harold 2003
    Ericka Dunlap 2004
    Caressa Cameron 2010
    
    None were caucasian - does that answer the question?

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       swordsbaneposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       None of those were her particular ethnicity.  She's too close to being a Muslim.  No... that doesn't make sense... but racism never really does.

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       gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Vanessa Williams, the FIRST non-Caucasian Ms. America was THE SUBJECT of racist remarks and death threats.These death threats were so heinous that the FBI had to be involved. Ms. Williams endured MORE negative threats than the suc non-C Ms.Americans.

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       cynthtggtposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I think the death threats had more to do with the Penthouse scandal.  Vanessa Williams in my opinion was perhaps the best looking of all the Miss Americas.  She won $14 million suing Guicione but withdrew the lawsuit later. Gender discr.

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       NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Nope. Because the answer is a simplification without regard to the whole issue. The backlash reflects the psyche of America and exposes what people here obviously think of people of color.

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    PurvisBobbi44posted 10 years ago

    If anyone feels this way they are living in stagnated ignorance. There are beautiful women from all races living in America today, why would anyone feel it should be just for white woman.
    
    I am still upset about how Vanessa Williams was treated after she won and they took her title and crown back. She is one of my favorite celebrities and I think someone should recertify her title. (Sorry I get carried away when someone is hurt by a society of ignorance.)

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       gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Vanessa Williams caught HELL as the FIRST non-Caucasian, Black Miss America..She got it from both Caucasians & Blacks.She was NOT considered Black enough & considered an affront to the pageant.Because of a youthful fiasco, she was unjustly de

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    Ericdierkerposted 10 years ago

    Whoa now! Racist bigot A--holes come in all shapes sizes and colors. They are the vocal trash of all society. Because they are vocal does not elevate them to a status that is representative of 99% of all people. Have you ever been in a service place or store and one person comes in and is so loud and obnoxious that you are actually embarrassed for them, and you, because you are also human? Well I have.
    
    If you knew that a person had an illness like Tourettes Syndrome and they just kept stuttering the f word over and over loudly. You would have compassion.
    ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome )
    
    Think of these people the same, perhaps their illness is environmentally caused or perhaps genetically like people who feel absolutely no remorse at anything. But what ever the cause their neurons just are misfiring, something is wrong with the wiring up in the brain. Hate is not a natural born condition --- it just is not. Love seems to be as you do not need to teach it. (yes you can destroy it)
    
    So what ever the cause these people are sick. And I mean that clinically. Heck there are probably thousands and thousand of people in anger management classes in ever large city in the US. Hate and anger are a recognizable and definable disease.
    Now we make special accommodations everywhere for disabled or "handicapped" people and it is even in the laws to do so.
    I suggest when you read this filth and garbage you see it for what it is; a diseased mind verbalizing that sickness. And then make accommodation for them. Sometimes online I give them a little spanking therapy ;-) But normally I ignore it as I would the poor kid with Tourettes.

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       NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Always love your articulate and poetic responses. All very true.

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    Nicole Froioposted 10 years ago

    Because Americans are afraid of 'the other' and they think Americans have to be blonde and white. But the reality is that the USA is a racially diverse country full of people who are beautiful in different ways and it seems like some white Americans don't accept this.
    
    Also I think ignorance has played a part in this - it seems a lot of people think she is from the Middle East or at least that she is of Middle East origins. Somehow, ignorants think that means that she is a terrorist or not American. It's truly sad. But I'm glad she won maybe people will get educated from it.

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       Rosie writesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       The people who made the racist comments do not represent Americans as a whole.  There are millions of Americans who did not make those comments and do not feel the way those few who made the comments do.

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    swordsbaneposted 10 years ago

    Because they are racist.  Seriously... this is a no-brainer.  No one cares if they participate in the contest but if they win it, somehow that's wrong?  She's an American citizen born here and yet if she becomes Miss America that means the US has sold out to foreigners.  Really?  How can that be anything besides racist?

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    johnsonrallenposted 10 years ago

    Here's the deal: people are going to make racist comments no matter what. I'm sure an Indian-American winning the national spelling bee has undergone racism as well.
    
    Are some Americans racist? Of course. Are they the only ones on earth who are racist? Of course not. My wife is Asian and suffered racism while living in another Asian country on a regular basis. African-Americans who came to that same country to work couldn't find work because of their skin color.
    
    This is not an American problem, it's a people problem.
    
    Having said that, the Miss America and Miss Universe "competitions" are a joke. After all these years of striving for equality and women's rights, we still have this joke of an event?

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       RealityTalkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with everything said.  Maybe it's time to recognize that some people just don't like people not like themselves. My wife is Jewish & we have had trash thrown at our house just because she is Jewish. It's not a perfect world.

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       Rosie writesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       johnsonrallen, excellent and intelligent comment.  I'm clapping, seriously. I think most people would agree with you.

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    Rosie writesposted 10 years ago

    I don't think the 314 million people in America should be judged based on comments made by a very small group of people on social media.  This is where many are so easily persuaded to view a country, a nationality, or a group of people in a certain way.  Social media can be very harmful in this way. 
    
    There are always going to be people who say negative and horrible things and unfortunately those are the people who are the loudest, but they most definitely do not represent the majority of the people in any given place.

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       Justsilvieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Well said and right on target.

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       Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Amen!

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       christiananrkistposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       couldnt have said it better

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    Ashleignposted 10 years ago

    It's not the American White Males who think this way. It's the heartless cutthroat white bitches of America that throw a shit fit. I am white myself, but find this young lady very.. very attractive.. And if it were only possible. I would make little tan and white babies with here..

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    fpherj48posted 10 years ago

    I cannot recall the last "Pageant" I actually watched, read of or had interest in, but I know I was a teen-ager.  (that would be DECADES ago!)   If you seriously look at the entire concept of this competition, "mission" included, we would accept that it's time to bring the final curtain down...and leave it down.   
    It was/is not exclusive to WHITE Americans,  It's always been open to all races, to my knowledge.  Comments, controversy and issues, however have always existed in the media and always will.   I usually ignore it. 
    Victories in these pageants, now in 2013, seem to be of interest to a very small section of our population.  I suppose they serve some purpose, but not much of any major consequence, relatively speaking.   
    As with anything else, this is all a matter of personal opinion.   IMHO, there are many incredibly brilliant & talented young American women, making a difference in the world, who may not "appear" to qualify as a CONTESTANT in a pageant.....and I wonder......can this even matter???

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    junksellerposted 10 years ago

    There are some white Americans for whom America is only the white parts. I think many of these people still eat with their hands. For the rest of us, who live in real America (and use forks) Nina Davuluri is a perfectly normal American. I'm not even sure why anyone is calling her Indian American. She was born and raised here.

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       NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Exacly, junkseller. Well said.

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       Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       S little too accurate I am afraid

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       Solarasposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       If it's fried chicken we do. lol

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       RealityTalkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Junkseller, that is a valid pt!  Americans these days try too hard to stand out as "fromSomewhereElse-American."  Why can't we just say, if we're born here, we are just plain Americans.

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    Angela Kaneposted 10 years ago

    No Miss America is not only for white woman. There are gorgeous woman of all races and creeds in this country, but I wouldn't mind Miss America being only for Native Americans since this is their country.

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       Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Cool point - and it is really wrong to call it "America" No Canadians, No Mexicans and they even leave out the "North Part" America is not a country never has been and never will be. Now some states got together.......

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    Joy I-Shine Greyposted 10 years ago

    The entire preface of America is build on equality for all.  If you live here, pay your taxes, and are an upstanding citizen of the state why not?  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it does not stop with one race.  Without each and every person living in the land and contributing to make it a stronger nation it cannot stand.

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       RealityTalkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I agree both that beauty is in the eye of the beholder & it does not stop with one race.  There are beautiful women of all race, color, shape, size & age. My wife is the most beautiful woman in the world to me.

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       Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Mine is to me and she is a different race. And our son is to me and what is an Amerasian anyway?  Half American Indian and Asian, half American black and Asian or half Chinese American and Asian --- hihihi

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    taburkettposted 10 years ago

    Obviously not - based on truthful historical information.
    Racists make comments to stir empathy for their demonic banner in an attempt to spur further hatred.
    Righteous people recognize that there is no color attributed to an American.
    An American is an individual that loves, cherishes, and honors the nation by not declaring themselves a hyphenated American.
    The media is good at spreading such demonic banter because it will add sales to their media monsters through revenue increase.
    The broad problem is that hyphenated Americans wish to proclaim themselves different from all others that do not hyphenate themselves.
    Racist Americans do not hyphenate themselves, so do you believe others should?
    If you do, then I am a proud British-German-Spanish-Scottish-Italian-French-Russian-Egyption-Turkish-Mongol-Indigenous-Native-American based on my heritage.
    If you don't, then I am a proud patriotic American.

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    arijitm2000posted 10 years ago

    Its a racist "stereotype" & its unfortunate that the first Indian descent who emerged as the Miss USA pageant winner has to go through all this hate & racial discrimination despite being an American herself. I don't think its for anyone to judge which skin color or race has the right to achieve anything, and I have plenty of American friends, & I'm an American Immigrant BTW, who are proud of the country for being so "liberal" & they've never treated me any different, in fact I was better & more trusted friend to many than their 'White American' counterparts...so its all about perspective & sound social sensibilities, which unfortunately some people lack very evidently, even today in 2013...let's just hope for Miss USA to feel her accomplishment for once, I wish her the best & all women who face such discrimination in any shape or form. God Bless America & Miss America...& I'm proud to be an Indian anyways & I don't need to shout, debate or show off...

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       swordsbaneposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       It's not really "ALL that hate and racism". It"s just that the media is sucking down everything that comes off of Twitter these days.  There will always be jerks.  ALWAYS.

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    Pamela N Redposted 10 years ago

    The first Americans were Native American and not white but some Caucasian people like to think they are the only ones here.
    
    It is sad but true that racism will always be around. Even in India where Nina Davuluri's ancestors come from has a cast system where skin color, family connection and wealth determines how you are treated.
    
    I'm personally happy for her and glad to see that our judges can look past ethnicity and chose a person based on merit.

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       Borsiaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       There is a color caste system in virtually every society in the world, among every race, and in 90+% lighter is considered to be better.
       I'm not saying it is a good thing only that it is a fact.

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    Borsiaposted 10 years ago

    A look at the contestants from 2013 also shows the typical diversity with multi ethnicities represented. I don't follow the pageant world but I don't see any racism.
    It was interesting to note that the last Miss Universe contestants looked almost exactly the same regardless of country. They were almost perfect cookie cutter girls.
    I don't think this is racism just judging becoming obsessed with a particular type.
    They all looked like Colombians to me.
    I've noticed similar commonalities in the past as well with different "ideals".

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    myyyouthupdateposted 10 years ago

    I don't think so, she is Indian and before starting his carrier in Hollywood she looks like a simple and in an given interview she also confirm that I Am single

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    Fuginagasakiposted 10 years ago

    I have no problem with it. If she won she won, I think you could've chosen a better pic of her though lol...Americans are not just white they are all races so any American can win.

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    PoeticFailosophyposted 10 years ago

    Miss america is only for surgically enhanced women.  they are racist against women with real breasts.

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