The question was asked,".... why we should allow the southern border to remain open with no security measures in place?" by RJ Schwartz.
... still waiting for an answer.
The answer? Article 1.8.1, The military is not to be fighting wars the government integrated but is supposed to be defending our borders.
Most people understand that national defense includes driving back/stopping an invasion of uninvited people. So does promoting the general welfare of the country.
But in any case the border is not defended (normally) by the military, but a police force.
Really? So why didn't our Native Americans stop those land and gold greedy white men who were NOT invited to steal what wasn't theirs?
My father was an immigrant from Italy. Trump's mother was born in Scotland. How Nazi Aryian Nation do you want it to get?
What in the blue velvet hell has happened to some white men in this country so fearful of anyone who isn't born here? Your grandparents were probably not born here unless you are a Native American. Get over it.
I have to agree with you, but first off, not all of us "Caucasians" are descendants of Johnny-come-lately. Some of us have ancestry going back to the beginning of this country and know that our ancestors fought for our freedom from the British (mine did). But if we are "white" we are Caucasians, not Aryans.
Now having said that, these "Aryan Nation" people and white supremacists don't even know what an Aryan is. All they know is what Hitler claims they were. The true Aryans go back to prehistoric times and were a very tall copper-colored, mainly red-haired, blue-eyed race. These people they are calling Aryans are actually the "Caucasians" who originated in the Caucasus Mountains between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. They migrated north and populated the white areas of Northern Europe and Eastern Europe.
In other words only people who are followers of Hitler would label a Caucasian as an Aryan. Caucasians can have brown eyes and still be a Caucasian. People should read their history and know better.
I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, I'm just pointing out the ignorance of these people who claim to be so lily white and don't know what they are talking about.
I'll bet a DNA test would surprise the crap out of some of them.
BTW one of the reasons the natives didn't stop the greedy white men was because the GWM killed off (murdered) the bison, which served as their living, and they nearly starved. Another strike against the GWM.
For you, I stand corrected. My father came to the US in 1907 as an 8 year old child running from the "Black Hand" in Bari, Italy. By Trump's view, I'm an anchor baby since at that time immigrants came to the US without ANY papers on boats from numerous countries.
So, as you can see, my allegiance toward immigrants is deeply embedded in being an "anchor baby," as all of my half brothers and half sisters were.
When I was in Cut Bank, Montana, I had one of the most eeriest experiences of my life. I tend to be sensitive to things. We stayed in a motel because I was hoping to open a B&B in that town since it had a busy major state highway running through it.
The night we stayed in Cut Bank, I couldn't sleep because I kept hearing a wind so shrill, it sounded like screaming. The next morning as we prepared to see a house in Santa Rita, my companion went to load our baggage into the car.
What he was several freight trains literally hanging off that 80 ft. high railroad bridge. One of the freight cars was half submerged in the Marias River.
The people in the town seemed unphased by this. With my sweater hanging from my arm, I was about to get into the car when a gust of wind out of now where lifted the sweater from my arm. We scoured the entire parking lot of that strip mall and it vanished as if it never existed.
Before we left Cut Bank, Montana, we stopped at the town library where I found an old newspaper from the early 1900s. It turns out that in 1901, the US Cavalry had massacred 101 Piegun Natives. The few who escaped froze to death hiding along the very banks of that Marias River where that train had derailed.
To this day, this freaky event still unnerves me. It turns out that the Cavalry the Cut Bank natives had stolen horses. But, they had the wrong tribe.
That is freaky, Ewent. I have no problem with legal immigrants. In fact, one of my favorite aunts was one. My uncle married her and brought her to the U.S. as a 16-year-old bride when he was stationed in Reykjavik, Iceland, during 1950s. I loved her dearly. She passed away last year around Thanksgiving.
I just have a problem with people, (Nazis, etc.) who classify me as Aryan when I'm not. BTW, 23andme says I have a tiny bit of Italian in my DNA. Supposedly an ancestor was from Italy about 300 years ago. I haven't found him, but FamilySearch has located some of my ancestors back to Julius Caesar's cousin in Rome. I had dark ash brown (nearly black) hair before it turned white, and dark blue eyes and pale olive skin, so who knows.
Did you see Trump this week at the border? Where were those 350,000 immigrants? All I saw in his show off photo op was him standing there waving bye bye at a helicopter with 2 Secret Service, 1 Hispanic border chief (for best effect naturally) and 1 other flunkie.
You are being swindled if you think giving him $5.6 billion will cover the cost of that wall. Where is the detailed cost estimation on engineering design? labor? the cost of legally acquiring land?
Do you buy a car and not check on its specs?
What uniformed person believes the southern border is open with no security measures in place? You, Kathy? Who told you this ignorant info?
Watched a video of a rancher on the border yesterday. He showed the camera that border; a broken down, single strand of barbed wire that he simply stepped over into Mexico.
Some "security measure", right?
Did you see any undocumented aliens stepping over the fence, Dan?
I rather doubt they will do it in front of a (inimical) camera. What do you think - would they wait in the bushes until it and the rancher are gone or step out?
(Need to take off your "I hate Trump" cap and put on your "common sense" here...)
Yeah, this thread is full of common sense..."no border security measures in place."
A flat-out lie.
Yeah, like I need the advice of those who voted for the liar who convinced you Mexico was gonna pay for the wall.
We don't hate Trump. But how do you support someone who lies constantly? Do you tell your kids or grandkids to lie to their teachers because the "president" does it?
I have every reason to hate Trump. I live in NJ. We are still paying off 6 of his corporate bankruptcies. Not to mention the unemployment his hotel and casino workers he stiffed on back wages we ended up having to pay for too.
Don't t you DARE try to put a halo on the worst occupant of the WH in US history. I don't hate. I'm just glad I am not him. He's going to get what's coming to him. It's taken decades of all of us in the NY/NJ Metro area to have to swallow how often he got a slap on the wrist for things that sent Gotti, Madoff and Gravano to prison for.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Trump has over 4,000 lawsuits against him. He has had more bankruptcies than ALL of the CEOs in the US ever had.
He is so far up Putin's butt that he even borrowed Putin's 2012 campaign slogan MRGA and changed it to MAGA.
We do not allow anyone in this country to be above the law. If you support a lawbreaker, you belong in jail for aiding and abetting them.
According to all government documentation since jobs in the US went flat, the number of immigrants jumping the border has decreased, not increased. But you won't hear that from any lily white rightie.
Ewent, there are some black righties, too. I saw some on TV yesterday pedaling Trump's propaganda. I know that's hard to imagine, but....
Yes, MizBiz, but not very many in the grand scheme of things. Black folks that can truly in their hearts support Trump and the rightwing agenda are Sado-masochist to the extreme.
The right wing always uses "tokens" whether it's minorities like Carson or women like Nikki Haley.
Peter King got his mouth in big time trouble for his racist statements. Now, even the former token black head of the RNC, Michael Steele is no longer praising the GOP.
That's it, Ewent
Precise and spot on comment.
You keep getting better....
I learned never to post anything or for that matter write anything I can't back up with proof.
I am not sure so that all of the right wingers who appear in posts are actually Americans. Think about it.
What kind of American would put a person, man OR woman in the WH who has had over 4,000 lawsuits, was found guilty of money laundering and RICO fraud and is suspected of being a Russian agent of Vladmir Putin who just this week publicly gloated about how he is "weakening" the US.
During the Colonial Revolution, traitors were hanged or shot. We cannot stand by and allow brazen, ruthless traitors to destroy all that our military vets fought for and lost their iives for.
If Trump gets his way and builds this wall, that will be only the first of his government takeovers.
We, the People...must not allow it.
Stephen King probably appreciates that you can prove what you say too.
I couldn't find that Trump had been found guilty of RICO fraud. Or found guilty of money laundering. But... maybe I didn't look deep enough, you can prove they happened can't you?
He hasn't been found guilty...he's been charged by the SDNY among other charges. The only reason SDNY won't lock him up is because the federal charges and indictments against him have priority.
That's why your little coward in the WH uses the WH as a way to escape what he knows will happen the minute he's no longer occupying the WH...the SDNY will throw the bum in jail.
How do you lie like Trump? FinCEN of the U.S. Treasury fined him $10 million for money laundering in the NJ (MY state) Taj Mahal Casino.
Enough with you lying to protect the most wanted white collar criminal. Here is the skinny from FinCEN, US Treasury. That enough proof for you right wing deniers?
Here's another for you to sit on that middle finger and spin on:
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles … g-company.
By the way, do you also DENY the SDNY went after Trump for cheating charities and banned Trump Organization from making any more bogus charity donations to themselves?
You like lawbreakers? You break laws too rightie boy?
As for Stephen King, he's in my writer's group, among others on FB. Met your match, didn't you Rightie Traitor?
I believe it may be time to line up all right wingers and make them face a military firing squad.
I live in NJ. There is nothing the hick righties can tell ANY NJ or NY resident about your white collar criminal.
Hey, Ewent, while I appreciate the fervor with which you delineate Trump's multitude of unethical and criminal activities, it might go over better if you pause a bit before assuming everyone who challenges any statement of yours is a "right-wing denier." Some are simply sticklers for truth and accuracy and not Trump apologists.
You got me Ewent, it was Steven King, not Stephen as I said. My bad. But, I still couldn't find those Peter King racist remarks you spoke of.
It is good to see you clarify you couldn't prove Trump had been found guilty of RICO fraud, but what about your money laundering proof?
Even your FinCen link didn't make that claim, so why post it as proof?
It said the Trump Taj Mahal was fined for BSA, (Bank Secrecy Act), program violations.
Here is another link that lists those violations:
Trump Taj Mahal willfully violated the BSA’s program, reporting, and record keeping requirements from 2010 through 2012. Importantly, many of these violations were previously cited by IRS SB/SE in previous examinations of Trump Taj Mahal since 2003. As described below, Trump Taj Mahal
(a) failed to implement and maintain an effective anti-money laundering program;
(b) failed to report suspicious activity related to several financial transactions at the casino;
(c) failed to properly file Currency Transaction Reports; and
(d) failed to keep appropriate records as required by the BSA and its implementing regulations.
I don't see any money laundering charges, just BSA violations?
My middle finger couldn't find anything with your USA News link - it came up "Page Not Found."
But I bet you have another suggestion for that finger don't you?
Does being asked to support what you say always make you this angry?
He has been charged only. But, the evidence of his guilt has already been gathered by the SDNY. The only reason they can't go after him is because the federal charges will supercede the state charges.
But, the minute he is no longer in the WH, he has NO authority to do anything about state charges. States have the right to prosecute all criminals who commit crimes, are indicted (which Trump has already been by the former AG and the newly elected AG) and charged.
RICO charges against Trump are found here.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles … ng-company
Trump Organization of which he is chief executive and his 2 sons and daughter are executive officers in Sept.2018 were found guilty of defrauding charities. They falsified a long list of charity they claimed they donated to and never did.
We in NJ and people in NY know the entire Trump family are grifters. Sante Grimes and her son ended up in prison for their grifter crimes. She died in prison and her son is still in prison. And their grifter crimes were similar but on a much lesser dollar figure than Trump Organization.
True, I admired Nikki Haley until she became a Trump pawn. Too bad she did that, but I'm glad she distanced herself from him. I won't vote for her if she runs for President.
It is a mystery to me why prominent politicians continue to make racist statements when they see others get into hot water for doing it first. I know that under our constitution they have the right to their own opinion, but they should have the common sense not to make racist statements public.
Let's get reasonable, Wilderness. I know you can when you want to be. Nobody has brought up the question of what about border cities? By that I mean cities on both sides of the border that consider themselves neighbors and cooperate with each other. They do business with each other, people cross the border to shop, eat and other entertainment. If that wall does happen to be built, is it going to wall these neighbors off from each other? If it does, how will it affect the relationships between these neighbors. For instance, El Paso has been named the "safest city in the U.S." for three years in a row despite its being just across the border from Juarez. Will these people on either side of the border get a voice in what happens to them?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/ … 02573.html
It will be sad, but that's life. The loss of friendship vs the stopping of HUMAN and DRUG TRAFFICKING!
Once again Kat, 90% or more of the drugs are coming into the country through legal ports of entry. A wall will not stop this. Gee, wake up!
They ARE coming in through the un-protected parts of the border. duh
I am awake. You aren't.
Add to that, Randy, as "the Iran-Contra Affair" revealed, they are under the protection of the CIA.
How is it that when Trump had Mexican cheap labor manufacturing his Trump Menswear collection until he got up Pres. Vincente Fox's nose, Trump wasn't worried about border security.
Now he thinks he will CON Pres. Nieto into making payments for that wall in exchange for being allowed to import Mexican goods?
Slicky boy is at it again trying to get right back into Mexican cheap labor and is slyly making a deal with Mexico he hopes will get him another shot at manufacturing his overprices crap clothing line.
Do you really think there are no security measures in place? Really?
The almost 17,000 border patrol agents who work at the southern border would be offended that you think they are nothing.
And there is already over 650 miles of fencing. I guess that's nothing, too.
Why are you and RJ lying about our border security?
Like their leader, they're" Trumping it," Pretty. That's all they have left at this point.
I cannot believe anyone would state there are no border security measures in place. The total ignorance is not even funny.
Since I was a teen, I've had Trump in our Metro area media. He has always been an overindulged, spoiled Mommy's favorite. But, the right wing is insistent they will be a one party government. Trump is a one party unto himself.
If he doesn't get bored first, and doesn't get that wall, he will very likely end up hoping it goes to the SC if he tries for a faked National Emergency. That's a big big big mistake for him.
It will show that his lawbreaking lawyers are helping him break Constitutional laws he thinks he can ignore.
He knows by using the military as "HIS" wall builders and helping himself to the US Treasury if he can't get the funding from the House, he'll declare martial law and that's when someone will haul him out of the WH kicking and screaming.
Do the words "right wing extremists" remind you of why they have to lie? What day of the last 2 years has Trump NOT lied and they fell on their knees worshiping every one of those lies?
If that border has not protection, what in the blue hell have taxpayers been paying these states for since Reagan left office?
WELL NO. America should have STRONGER border security! Also America should have STRICTER immigration laws. Let's tell the truth. America should have NO IMMIGRATION for at least a decade- let's straighten out the socioeconomic problems at home w/American citizens FIRST!
First things first. The southern border is not now and has not been "open" for over 20 years. How do I know? Because when I checked every year since it was first funded at the GAO.gov site, we've been handing these border states tens of billions EVERY year for border protection.
There already IS a wall at the southern border. Our borders do not need to be defended. Why? because of the entry points not just on the "southern" (a fact I'll get to to prove it's bogus) but also from the Canadian, Pacific Coast, Gulf and East Coasts.
What next? A wall between Canada and the US too?
I am so fed up with these lily white morons whose own ancestors landed in the "new world" from England and Ireland as indentured slaves whose only reason for being shipped here was to work off the debts they owed.
There is no Aryan nation in this country. Get over it.
Now, last year, Trump and the Republicans handed over $22 billion of your tax dollars for border protection. Why didn't they use that to build a wall? Why did they wait until Dems had control of the House if National Security was at such high risk?
Let's stop the games. You all know why Republicans didn't dare spend a dime on a wall when they had all the power to do so while they had control of the House and Senate.
That funding never gets used for border protection. Here's an example of how much funding has gone to these states in just the past 5 years:
2014 - $14 billion
2015 - $15 billion
2016 - $16 billion
2017 - $20 billion
2018 - $22 billion
Now do the math. And, according to all government records, these whiner states are the ones who do the least to enforce their businesses to use E-Verify to check immigrant status. What does that tell you?
Meanwhile, the Mouth of the WH is demanding another $5 billion to add salt to wound the national debt. And this is CONservatism? On what planet?
Japan has no wall other than those built during dynastic reigns. Today, they are so far ahead of the US in national security and already have invested in artificial intelligence to determine security breaches for up to 20 miles from their borders.
So please. Spare me the whining about national security. I live in NJ. NY got the worst of lack of national security on 9/11. Don't tell me that the soutnern border is as much at risk as the East Coast.
The better question is: "What have the states along the southern border done with the billions they get every year from taxpayers?
This documentary is heart wrenching.
Here is a bit of reality.
Its not hard to find out the truth these days through the internet.
Its the spinning you have to watch out for.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion … /87746870/
So right, Kathy! You do realize the site you linked to is merely an opinion site, right\?
This person's opinion as an Independent:
"Oh, by the way, there are some very important positives to having a southern border wall with appropriate electronics:
Keep out or thwart illegals, drug traffickers and terrorists
Save men, women and children from dying in the desert
Keep illegals from trashing the desert and U.S. citizens’ property
Keep men, women and children from falling victim to human traffickers
Less anchor babies
Less immigration hearings and court costs (attorneys, etc.)
Help reduce violence, especially in sanctuary cities
Lessen the number of border patrol agents needed
Help and better protect those agents that continue to patrol the border
Less welfare recipients
Less school, hospital and medical costs
Less impact on public safety and other resources
More jobs available to legal residents and
Mitigate the fears of many Americans that occur with an open border.
Yes, we need a better immigration system that controls immigration, and a wall will help that control."
Thank God for opinions.
This isn't about Border Security, it is about Trump's promise to his "base" that he would build a wall. Why he didn't do it when the Republicans had control of both the Senate and House are beyond me. Trump knows that if he loses this battle he loses any hope of a second term. If you want to learn what makes Trump tick, you have to understand what he was like before running for President. Read "Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success" by Michael D'Antonio.
On the other side of the coin, the Democrats, led by Nancy Pelosi are guilty of playing a dangerous and expensive game by helping to create this conflict. If California needed a 5 Billion dollar expansion on the Bay Bridge, she would make the political trade in a heartbeat. That is what politics are all about.
Unless McConnel lets the Senators vote - which is why we elect them - Trump is not going to feel the heat. This impasse will continue to hurt American workers and make us look like the third world banana republics we like to ridicule.
Because it's a stupid expensive waste of time and money! Duh.
And its not a stupid waste of taxpayer time and money catering to illegal immigrants and what they do to this country?
They bring in germs, drugs, criminal behavior, deplete the resources of the welfare system, take our jobs ... our heritage!
They need to come in legally. This should be addressed.
You really aren't aware of the true border conditions are you, Kat? The stupid photo-op your idol took today was along a stretch of the border with very little activity as far as illegal entry was concerned. Where were all of the disease infected, drug crazed criminals you mentioned in your post?
All I saw was peaceful people going about their daily lives with no problems at all. What the heck was that all about?
The Indian nation, where the border is wide open, can't control the drug and human trafficking going on there. The youth are facilitating the trafficking due to the money that can be made: Ten thousand dollars a load brought across the border. The elder in the video said he could not stop them. Yet he will defend his/their land with his life.
YouTube sucks as evidence of the truth, Kat. And I suppose the drug traffickers killed the old man? You kill ME with your silly excuses for the man child, Kat. Where you from, Louisiana?
So, you are not going to watch a perfectly factual and well done documentary on something real and true? You are too artificially intelligent for such a thing?
If you're vouching for the veracity of the video......then no, not worth the time.
They come across the border with backpacks of drugs. They come across the borders in known open points of entry. They have special booties to avoid creating tracks in the sand. They wear camouflage or black clothing. They are very stealthy. Pull up a video. There are lots.
But do you want to set a precedent where anytime a POTUS wants something he/she could hold the govt. hostage? Have you really thought this out?
But this is:
https://terrortrendsbulletin.com/2014/1 … rn-border/
HAHAHAHAAHAHA. You actually read this garbage? Holy moly. Posting that link is like, I don't know, admitting that you take penis-lengthening supplements (if you were a man).
Our common enemy:
The Radical Left = The Globalists
Don't be a Globalist. Its unpatriotic.
go ahead. you may believe whatever you want to believe. Actually there are enlightened aliens from outer space coming over the border. They are light beings who land their mirrored ships on the Mexican desert. They know where the openings of the fence/wall are and they stroll right in.
Then, they descend into underground caverns on the US side where they are living until the day we are ready to receive their advanced knowledge. You and Crank will one of the first to be greeted by these beautiful aliens and they will tell you that you have always been exactly right.
Well, good for you two!
Sweetie, I'd lay off the drugs if I were you. I understand that excessive use of Botox can cause gene damage.
If that was meant to be funny it was a total FAIL.
Only YOU think so. When you can bash Dems who had not one but 2 of the ONLY presidents (Clinton and Obama) in recent times who LOWERED the national debt and you support a money laundering law breaker, I'd say you need to go back to school and get a real education.
Your posts only exacerbate what all wingers project: Ayn Reed greed, Ann Coulter Rich Daddy's Little Darling and women who can't make it on their own.
And before you go there, I was a Republican woman from 1966 until 2004 when your boys began to play election rigging games.
I'd study the history of the Republican Party. One major scandal after another, starting with Warren Harding's recession and Tea Pot Dome Scandal right up to Reagan's 2nd term recession, Bush '41' one term recession, GWB's 2nd term Financial Meltdown and now the icing on the failed Republican cake. Trump, of the skanky Russian sucking up to Putin, marrying a gold digger Slovenian nude porn model, getting caught lying over 8,000 times, 4,000 plus lawsuits and a money laundering fine.
That YOUR idea of funny?
I think I will print and laminate that little bit of fantasy and carry it around with me in case I ever get into some sort of verbal dispute.
"Go ahead. you may believe whatever you want to believe. Actually, there are enlightened aliens from outer space coming over the border. They are light beings who land their mirrored ships on the Mexican desert. They easily pass through the border and stroll right in.
Then, they descend into underground caverns on the US side where they are living until the day we are ready to receive their advanced knowledge. You will be one of the first to be greeted by these beautiful aliens and they will tell you that you have always been exactly right."
I encourage others to do the same.
You must be a Xtian Republican, Kathy? But it's good to know I've "always been exactly right" though!
... could you remind me what that means? ("Xtian Republican")
Religious Right. Don't tell me you've never heard the definition.
Wow Gus, need me to step in with a few kind words on your behalf? Or do you want to go it alone?
Thanks for the offer Randy, but I'm okay. Just a bit of trouble deciding what to do with that middle finger, but good otherwise.
Ha! I thought you handled it very...….carefully, GA Ewent seems to be on a roll today.....or a biscuit.
Yeah, thanks Randy, but look what's she done now. Left me with a finger hanging. If she doesn't show by midnight I am just going to put it back in the holster.
I'm not gonna touch that one, GA. I was been banned 3 times last year for a total of 5 months and not gonna press my luck this early in the year.
I wouldn't want you to touch it either Randy. You don't know where that finger has been. Especially after Ewent's suggestion.
I am still wondering why that thought occurred to her. I wouldn't have thought of it. Maybe it's a New Jersey thing.
You ought. You got beat in the Civil War. I'd stay clear of riling we Yankees these days. Bring the stars and bars rag anywhere above the Mason Dixon line and it gets torn to shreds.
Time for all good little CONfederates to stow that silly flag and stop living with everything past or dead.
NJ Tomatoes tell it like it is and call it as we see it. We are no sweet, needy man adoring lil Dixie belles uncapable of defending our own honor.
Be thankful that's all I left you with. I may be vertically challenged; but, that has never stopped a dynamo from exploding when necessary.
I am thankful every day that I wake up still breathing Ewent. And I am glad to see you pop back in.
I don't doubt your explosive capabilities, I can see it in the anger of your posts. You said you could prove what you write, but when your facts were challenged you couldn't, so an explosive tirade was your response. That doesn't seem like a rational reaction to me.
It is possible that I didn't look deep enough for those guilty convictions you claimed. Maybe your long New Jersey history with Trump dealings means you knew where to look, and I didn't. You FinCen link wasn't the proof you claimed, so maybe you have more?
Also, no more finger suggestions, please. I have enough trouble explaining the two that I type with, I don't even want to think about trying to explain your suggestion as justification for unleashing a third one.
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