"I am the chosen one"......Really?

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  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 23 months ago

    Once again our Commander-In-Chief waxes idiotic. Is there anything anyone can take from this statement which calms the spirit. I mean dammit man!!!

    1. Eastward profile image90
      Eastwardposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      In positive news, sales of waders are up 13% big_smile

      1. MizBejabbers profile image89
        MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        lol

    2. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
      JAKE Earthshineposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I watched it live Randy, I can't even stomach the sight anymore: He acts like a babbling senile idiot, he's been all over the pace about gun control saying the exact opposite of what he said not too long ago which indicates a very WEAK and forgetful mInd: I've been right about many things pertaining to Donald, some very obvious and I told everyone that this elderly quasi-man exhibits almost ALL symptoms of PSYCHOPATHY and each and every day he proves me to be right on the button again:

      The question is, HOW much LONGER do we allow the most unqualified,  sickest of puppies who adores and worships Vladimir Putin, hold the keys to our oval office while manically DESTROYING this once great country, before we do what is necessary, what is required, what is INEVITABLE, an involuntary REMOVAL:

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        There's another question that needs to be asked, and very few are asking it. Actually there are several questions that need to be asked.

        1. How, in a supposed first world country, has it come to be that such a large number of people actually elected this person and thought he was sane and good?

        2. Taking the gerrymandering and the electoral college into consideration, quite clearly, American elections are rigged. Where is the outcry? Why isn't htere a very powerful push-back against this? Why is government not fixing this?

        3. Why is there such an anti-intellectual and anti-science stance in the USA? Why is government not investing more heavily in science. China is now overtaking the USA.

        4. Why is there such poverty in the USA? Surely everybody should, at least, be able to live without worrying about going bankrupt due to medical bills or how to pay the rent? Why is government not fixing this?

        5. Why do Americans still believe in gods when the rest of the first world has long gotten over belief in magical entities? Of course, the rest of the first world has a lot of safety nets if one loses one jobs and needs medical help, so they are not dependent on imaginery friends for hope and help.

        1. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Most of what you describe is attributable to conservatism in America (except the gerrymandering - either party in power will try to use that.  Congress needs to and can ban it for federal elections)

          It is the gerrymandering that is the problem, not the electoral college.  Our founders chose that because, as flawed as it is, it was the least worse of three alternatives, the popular vote being one.

          The problem with the electoral college today is that the electors aren't free to vote like the founders wanted.

    3. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Don't be so gullible Randy. He didn't really say that. That was just one of those Deep State video manipulations. They tapped into the news organizations' satellite feeds and inserted a fake segment.

      Reporters on the ground say what he actually said was not "I am the chosen one," but "I am the one chosen by God."

      That makes a big difference. He wasn't anointing himself, he was only acknowledging God's anointment of him.

      Geesh!

      GA

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        My bad, Gus. It must be because I hate America.  yikes

        1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          ++++

      2. Ken Burgess profile image89
        Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Exactly, see, there is a common sense answer.

        Some people are looking for anything to hate on these days, Randy being the worst of them. roll

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
          JAKE Earthshineposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          https://hubstatic.com/14650062.jpg

          There are a myriad of reasons to despise the Trumps, they give us more reasons with each passing day, way too many to list here, and when an illegitimate 73 year old president looks to the sky and declares he's the "CHOSEN One" on global television as charlatan false idols do, in front of every ASTONISHED and Shocked American and every enemy around the globe, it's absolutely a sign of a SERIOUS Metal Illness, Hallucination, Delusion, a "Delusion of Grandeur", Uncontrollable Narcissism: Any Psychiatrist will say it's just another Warning Sign and how many MORE Warning Signs do we need before congress reacts the way it needs to, the way our constitution demands that they do in order to save what's left of this rapidly crumbling third world state?

          By the way, the ONLY entity that would "CHOOSE" Donald Trump is not domiciled Upstairs, but he lives, slithers and breathes burning embers and ashes in a white hot dungeon DOWNSTAIRS:

          1. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            This 72 year old doesn't think age is the issue.  You can by crazy at any age.

        2. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Ken, I think President Donald Trump plays the liberals like a fiddle.  I believe he looked up in the air just to get them to engage in their deranged responses.  Actually, what I've seen, the liberal responses have been pretty ridiculous.

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            PrettyPantherposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Someone is being played like a fiddle. That is a certainty.

            1. lobobrandon profile image91
              lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              lol Nope, he answered this already, it's not him siding Trump at all, it's what he actually believes. Smooth brain syndrome I'm going to call it.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
                JAKE Earthshineposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                "Trump Worship Disorder" aka "TWD"

          2. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            So, Read, you think Trump IS the Chosen One?  Is that it?

            1. My Esoteric profile image90
              My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Crickets

        3. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I found several things to hate about Trump's MO, Ken. And his supporters are not much better.

          1. crankalicious profile image94
            crankaliciousposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Randy, I find this accusation that we hate Trump confounding. Of course we hate him. Generally speaking, I hate people who:

            1. Lie all the time
            2. Suggest that assaulting women is acceptable behavior
            3. Heap verbal abuse on people for things like sex, disability; etc.

            Why should I exempt Trump?

            1. My Esoteric profile image90
              My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Because he is dangerously mentally ill.  I can't hate someone who has no control over themselves.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            I choose to love Trump to polictal death. Trump using God's name, has killed more people than for any other reason.

            Not much will get better, unless a third party gets elected. That has not happen since George Washington.

        4. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Why does pointing out the truth equate to hate?

          It boggles my mind.

          Does that make you feel better?

          1. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            It is also called "negative press" when his lies and false statements are pointed out by all of the unbiased news media - hell, even Fox News points them out once in a while (although Fox Opinion doubles down on them)

            Why is it hate to point to the truth?  Good question.  I guess it is a conservative quirk.

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Uh oh, un un, Nope. Your bias is showing Scott. My experience says that Conservatives do not have a monopoly on that "quirk."

              GA

              1. My Esoteric profile image90
                My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                I come to that bias after lots of observation and study. (I do need to say the same is true for left-leaning extremists but in this country they are a minority, the elephant in the tent are conservatives)

      3. Don W profile image81
        Don Wposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Chosen One? Chosen one by God? Pfftt! That's nothing. Here's Trump's quoting someone likening him to the second coming of God:

        "Thank you to Wayne Allyn Root for the very nice words. “President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world...and the Jewish people in Israel love him....like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don’t know him or like him. They don’t even know what they’re doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that’s OK, if he keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s good for.....all Jews, Blacks, Gays, everyone. And importantly, he’s good for everyone in America who wants a job.” Wow!"
        https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta … wsrc%5Etfw

        1. lobobrandon profile image91
          lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, I put up a screenshot of this earlier on this thread.

        2. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          And then he AGREED with it!!!!

      4. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

        "The one chosen by God"?

        Just who in the hell does this guy think that he is?

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I gave it my one shot Cred. From here on it's on you guys. ;-)

          GA

      5. MizBejabbers profile image89
        MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Frankly, GA, the only difference I see in those two statements would be "I am the chosen one" doesn't specify who chose him. It only implies that it was God, but it could have been the people, which it was not. Hillary won the popular vote. Either statement is subjective
        Could you please explain the difference you see in them?

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Sure thing MizBejabbers. In the first; "I am the chosen one," he spoke from God's chair, in the second; he heard from God's chair. Easy-peasy.

          *By the way, that comment was meant to be too silly to include any serious considerations like your popular vote thing.

          GA

          1. MizBejabbers profile image89
            MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Sorry, I didn't realize it was tongue-in-cheek. My bad.

          2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
            TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Why do you defend this 'man?

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              I think you missed something Tess. Take a look at my original comment, and then my responses to others, and if you still have that question I will explain my responses to you.

              GA

              1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                I've read through your things several times.

                I truly do not understand where you are coming from.

                Are you a conservative?

                Do you support Trump?

                1. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  Okay Tess, It seems that sometimes the obvious isn't always obvious to everyone, so I will explain my comment.

                  From my original comment:

                  "That was just one of those Deep State video manipulations. They tapped into the news organizations' satellite feeds and inserted a fake segment."

                  Do you really think, that I think that it is technologically possible for this to happen in the situation of a live event with multiple satellite feed sources and dozens of press representatives and their notebooks and phones?

                  Beyond that, such a fantasy occurrence could have no impact on the written and in-person reporting of the event. Do you think that I would think only the video broadcast of the event is what folks would know?

                  In making a dangerous assumption I am assuming you are slightly familiar with my past forum participations and am concerned that you think I would think the satellite feeds were the world's only source of information, or that I am a Deep State advocate. Are you one? Is that why you have the impression that I am?

                  Next was my response to Credence2:

                  He wrote:

                  ""The one chosen by God"?

                  Just who in the hell does this guy think that he is?"


                  My response:

                  "I gave it my one shot Cred. From here on it's on you guys. ;-)

                  I thought sure the smiley, combined with the Deep state silliness, and that I did not double-down and reassert or defend my original response were obvious indicators. Apparently, I was wrong.

                  And then there was this clincher, in the comment you replied to:

                  "*By the way, that comment was meant to be too silly to include any serious considerations like your popular vote thing."

                  I bluntly stated my original comment was a silly one. Yet, you ask why I defend Pres. Trump. When asked to review my comments, you claim you did, and still come back asking why I defend him.

                  Basing my thought on some of your previous declarations of capabilities, maybe I am the one missing something. Maybe you are pulling my leg and I am too dumb to know it. *shrug

                  GA

      6. My Esoteric profile image90
        My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        I love your sarcasm, GA

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks Scott. I am glad you caught it. I am not good at sarcasm, as can be seen by a couple of other responses here asking me to explain my comment.

          GA

    4. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Nostradamus did predict the rise, in the 21st century, of an Orange tinged tyrant, whose exploits and brutality would know no bounds.

      1. My Esoteric profile image90
        My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Oh Damn, we ARE in trouble!

    5. tsadjatko profile image67
      tsadjatkoposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I like Gorka’s take on what President Trump said: “President Trump never fails when it comes to two things: Delivering the MAGA Agenda, and making the Left’s collective head explode. His most recent comments have produced no shortage of the latter.
      Of course, President Trump is right when he says that he is “the chosen one;” specifically, he was referring to the ongoing trade war with China. And there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that he is most definitely the right man for the job when it comes to taking on China and holding them accountable for decades of cheating us on trade and manufacturing.
      But he is the chosen one in many other ways too. He is by far the only one who truly understands the threat of illegal immigration, as well as the need for a much more sensible foreign policy. In all of these aspects, President Trump is significant because he has completely shredded all past notions of political orthodoxy and “business as usual” with regards to these major issues. He is the one who pulled back the curtain on the elite in our country, in both parties, and has awakened millions of Americans to what truly needs to be done to combat these problems and truly fight for America, which is something the establishment political class never cared to do.
      Everything happens for a reason, and this is no less true when it comes to whoever becomes President of the United States. Donald J. Trump was meant to be President for all of these reasons, and more. And that is why the Left hates him so much, because it is our time to shine instead of theirs.”

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Good grief. Where do these people come from?

        Good luck with the fat orange in office getting China to change her mind.

        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Tess,

          Can you say "success?"

          "President Donald Trump's latest trade war escalation against China appears to have had an immediate effect on Asian markets and the Chinese Yuan, sending both tumbling early on Monday morning.

          Chinese Vice Premier Liu He indicated early on Monday that the communist nation was willing to negotiate with the U.S. to prevent the trade war from escalating."

          https://www.dailywire.com/news/51032/br … n-saavedra

      2. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Since China has triples US GDP growth yearly and will become 21 century super power, soon to come. Then China must be doing it for the right reasons and winning the world's trade parners. China is moving better direction for the natural environment and have not had a major war since 1979. It's time for the US to get with health first and vote for the Green party rather than vote between a turd and a douche bag.

        1. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Trump is the "chosen one" alright - chosen for delusions.  My wife just told we she watched Trump say Alabama needed to prepare for Hurricane Dorian (this right after being briefed by FEMA). Upon being corrected by weather people telling him Dorian is nowhere near Alabama, he called them Fake News.

          The man is missing a few light bulbs for sure, but then so are his supporters for blindly following this nut job.

    6. My Esoteric profile image90
      My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      It is a symptom of his dangerous mental illness

    7. My Esoteric profile image90
      My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      And #TraitorTrump keeps on Lying.  From this weekend in front of the G6:

      1.  Melania has gotten to know the murderous Kim Jong-Un. - LIE, she has never met him.  Just like his bald-faced lie that his father was born in Germany.

      2.  "we gave them $150 billion." - We never gave Iran any money that wasn't theirs to begin with.  Even if he doesn't like giving peoples money back to them, he lied about the amount; in fact they got access to 10s of billions in frozen assets.

      3. "The EU is another one: we've been losing $180 billion a year for many years." - more lies.  He knows very well that the trade deficit with the EU never exceeded $114 B in 2018 and much lower in previous years.  He also misleads in making the gullible think a trade deficit is bad - it is not as any non-Trump economist will tell you

      4. Trump said of China: "We have billions and billions coming in." (tariffs) - HE KEEPS lying about this.  AMERICANs, not the Chinese pay our tariffs.  Ask any 5th grader.

      5.  "Trump claimed again that unemployment for Asian Americans is at the lowest rate "ever." - Sighhhh, lie.  Asian unemployment is higher than in the last month of Obama's term.

      6. "But we are now the number one energy producer in the world " - IT IS THE "NOW" that is the lie.  We gained that spot under Obama in 2012.

      When is his LYING going to stop??  I guess in 17 months.

      1. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Come on My Esoteric, give the hashtags a break. It makes it look like you are trying to be a millennial. ;-)

        Otherwise . . . you did ok.

        GA

        1. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Forever young!!

        2. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          BTW - Just started a hub on a case for treason against Donald Trump.  I think it is strong and deserves he the hashtag.

          1. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Good luck with that hub, I suspect it will face a lot of ranking competition.

            GA

    8. peterstreep profile image82
      peterstreepposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I've been told there was once a fella who was crucified by saying such a thing....

      1. aware profile image67
        awareposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        I remember John Lennon being assassinated because he said he was bigger than God

        1. peterstreep profile image82
          peterstreepposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          ah, yes, that's an option too.

          1. aware profile image67
            awareposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            No it's not

          2. Live to Learn profile image79
            Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Is that your idea of a politically correct statement?

            1. aware profile image67
              awareposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              No ..it is . Not.. Muhammad Ali used to say he was the greatest

              1. Live to Learn profile image79
                Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                One thing which has ceased to amaze me is how self righteous the left can be when even just a casual, of the cuff and innocuous statement is made by Trump.

                He must be the devil in their leftist bible.

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  When he tells his brainwashed supporters that the left, immigrants and the media are the enemy of America, and some of them send pipe bombs and begin shooting, his place in hell is all but assured.  So your devil reference is more than earned.

                2. My Esoteric profile image90
                  My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  You forget, it is the Right that has a monopoly on self-righteousness - especially the religious Right.

                  What the non-Right knows and the Right does not is that Trump is a known narcissist of the first order and that he believe's what he says (at the moment - who knows what he believes in the next). 

                  While other presidents may have felt the same way, none had the temerity to say it out loud.  It was no joke to Trump.  I can just image the total, mindless outrage the Right would have erupted in if Obama has said the same thing.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    I saw the clip.  This guy was not claiming anything special.   It was off the cuff.  Saying otherwise is either willful ignorance or just a burning desire to believe he meant he was some 'chosen' one.  It was not,  in my opinion,  a serious comment.

                    I hate junk like that and was,  when I heard it was said,  disgusted.  Seeing the clip I realized it was just another over reaction by those looking for opportunity for negative reaction.

        2. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Ali said himself,  he is not the greatest of all time. He said it was just a promotional stunt.

          Lennon said the Beatle were more popular than Jesus. Which was true at the time.

          WG Bush said God told him to start war on Iraq, his little dog confirm it.

          If Trump thinks he is the next messiah. His sheep will know, as they have followed a few.

  2. profile image0
    PrettyPantherposted 23 months ago

    Our president is mentally ill. This is just more evidence of it, not that the 40% will care.

    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
      JAKE Earthshineposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      How many MORE "Trump Hallucinations" must we and our Enemies witness on global television before he's REMOVED and sent straight to the psyc ward? Do we wait until he hears SATAN wisper in his ear demanding that he NUKE Iran, or Japan or Australia?????

      He also LIED through his false teeth during the very same episode of apparent delusion saying we're winning the tariff trade war with CHINA which everyone knows is preposterous:

    2. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I'll wager you'll get a few challenges on your statement, Sandy. From the usual suspects, of course.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        ++

    3. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      45% and growing, come on...when the alternative is dotterring Creepy Joe, he is only going to become more popular, not less.

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
        JAKE Earthshineposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        https://hubstatic.com/14650284.jpg

        "Creepy Joe"? nope, I think you might have him CONFUSED with the real CREEP, the Creep who insisted that his last remaining followers vote for an alleged PEDOPHILE for our U.S. Senate and that's nothing less than EVIL and before any white nationalist around here tries to DENY he actually asked his cultees to do perform that despicable act, he did, it's the TRUTH and it's an Outrageous ABOMINATION: Just one more REASON to DESPISE the Trumps and pray for his swift removal from our white house premises:

      2. My Esoteric profile image90
        My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Nah, it is actually more like 30% are the true faithful. The other 10% - 15% don't want to change anything while the economy is OK.  As soon as Trump drives the economy down, they are gone.

        If people voted today based on Trump's popularity in each state, he would be creamed in the electoral college.  At the moment he would lose AK, AZ, FL, OH, and IA.  That he will lose PA, WI, and MI is a given now; they won't make the same mistake twice because we will shut down the Russian propaganda machine that won him those states.

  3. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 23 months ago

    This type of thing always creeps me out.  I think Trump may be playing to evangelical belief that God chooses our leaders. Of course,  being Trump,  he's got to be the best of the best.

    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      That is an interesting analysis. Trump making sure he's playing to his evangelical base. That's calculated.

      1. My Esoteric profile image90
        My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Question - are Evangelicals even Christian?  They certainly don't follow Christ's teachings nor want their elected officials to.  I hadn't thought of doing this before:

        1 - You shall have no other gods before Me. - Trump thinks he is God because nobody can be better than Trump, not even God

        2 - You shall make no idols. - Trump is his own idol or maybe it is money

        3 - You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - Trump does often, apparently

        4 - Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Trump tweets on Sundays as well as many insult everybody under the sun

        5 - Honor your father and your mother. - I actually think Trump honors his mother

        6 - You shall not murder. - He says he could get away with it and Evangelicals will still vote for him; but I give him the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't ordered anybodies murder - yet.

        7 - You shall not commit adultery. - BOY, Trump sure fails this one (as do so many other Evangelicals, especially their preachers)

        8 - You shall not steal. - Trump does this all the time, just ask anybody who works for him who he has stiffed

        9 - You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Trump has lied or told False statements over 12,000+ times and the Evangelicals seem to love him for it

        10 - You shall not covet. - Trump covets everything you have that he doesn't.

        1. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I guess everybody agrees with the above, good.

          1. Eastward profile image90
            Eastwardposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Reading the above, I thought you might enjoy this:

            Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian - Published on Apr 24, 2019
            Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian™, meets with Jerry Falwell, Jr., Franklin Graham, and Mike Huckabee to let Jesus down easy: Evangelicals are breaking up with Him


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsMzQA1p0lA

  4. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 23 months ago

    Lets add some perspective.  President Donald Trump was referring to the fact that he is the first president who has confronted China and their unfair trade practices.  No other president stood up to China when it comes to trade. He was not making a biblical reference.  Geeeze.

    "Yes, President Trump, when asked about his ongoing trade war with China, deemed himself "the chosen one" when talking with reporters outside the White House on Wednesday. As Trump put it, when it comes to dealing with China's trade practices, "somebody had to do it." He then added "I am the chosen one" as he looked up to the sky."

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/860276/trump-chosen

    I do give liberals a chance to demonstrate they comprehend facts, truth and reality.  I am always disappointed.

    1. lobobrandon profile image91
      lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Not a biblical reference, yet he looks up to the sky akin to looking up to God. He is a Christian, is he not?

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Guess what? Looking up means nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  Being a Christian is not part of this.  He is the first US president taking on the trade imbalance with China.  That is it.  Trying to make something out of nothing shows a total inability to be objective.

        1. lobobrandon profile image91
          lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I expected you to say something like this and I have already got a reply for you. But these are some more facts and we know you don't respond to facts, so I do not expect a reply, so no pressure.

          https://hubstatic.com/14649971.png

          Well, this is from August 21st, 2019 and you say that him saying that he is the chosen one has no biblical reference?

          I have to ask you even though I know the answer: Are you DUMB or do you just defend him because he is anti-left? My hope is that it's the latter, else the human species does have some really bad outliers from the average IQ without the person having any known mental disabilities.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Are you ignorant or just have a total lack of understanding of the English language? I would say you need to learn how Americans speak English.  Your lack of ability to comprehend what it written is painfully obvious. Maybe you should stick with forums focused on the issues concerning YOUR country.

            1. lobobrandon profile image91
              lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Aha! There it is. You've been jacked so you go to the usual rhetoric, YOUR country. I am sure there are going to be other Americans who speak better English than you (me included) who would come here and tell you the same thing.

              Don't worry, I am all over China and India on Reddit, you can join in. You seem to love bashing China, don't you?

              Thanks for answering my question though, the human species does have some awfully smooth brains.

              1. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                Have a good day Brandon.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  lol  As truthful an answer as you can give...

                  1. lobobrandon profile image91
                    lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    That's his second go to reply when he has nothing to say to me.

                    First: Go to a forum that talks about YOUR country (note the capitals)
                    Second: Have a good day Brandon (At least use a comma before the name)

                    You will see a few of these on the other thread from 3 weeks ago, such as here: https://bit.ly/2NqCJYC and https://bit.ly/2Zlbd51 they were fairly easy to find with a simple Google search with the stuff in quotes lol. It's going to be hard to find the instances of YOUR country, so I'm not going to bother linking out to those big_smile.

              2. Credence2 profile image80
                Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                Lobo, you are welcome and your input brings a different perspective of the issues being discussed.

                Only conservatives are afraid of the free dissemination of information and knowledge. You stay right where you are!!

                1. lobobrandon profile image91
                  lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm not going anywhere smile

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                    PrettyPantherposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    I'm glad you're back. Were you banned?

                2. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  Why would you care what someone from another country thinks about the politics in our country? I would never even consider going to a political forum for Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany or even the Ukraine, voicing my opinion on THEIR country's politics and call people who disagree with me stupid and ignorant.  Why should an American citizen accept such things? If you aren't an American citizen, why would we care what they think of our politics? They shouldn't care what we think of THEIR politics.  It is their politics and their issues and not ours.  So, unless you are a citizen, I don't know why you can't focus on the politics in YOUR country.  I suspect an empty life or boring politics, but I may be wrong.

                  1. MizBejabbers profile image89
                    MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    LOL, Mike I think you are wrong. I think it is because our politics stink, and they can smell it all the way in their country. Perhaps we could offer them a little air freshener.

                  2. lobobrandon profile image91
                    lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    Other than what MizBejabbers already said, we aren't living in the 16th century where the politics of one country does not affect the rest of the world and everyone with a large surface area on their brain knows this, no surprise that you do not.

                    Another reason I chose to partake in this discussion is that your President, whom idiots and dumb people such as yourself with flat brain syndrome worship like a God chose to say that he is the chosen one, the God of the world whose second coming people of a certain faith expect. I have direct say in this instead of the indirect path of world politics because I was born into that said faith.

                    Also, someone should tell your God (Trump) that to the Israelies the messiah is yet to come, Jesus was not their messiah so when the Israeli dude or whoever he was said "They (Israelis) love him like he is the second coming of God" he was lying to Trump. I'm surprised Trump didn't realize this though, unlike you he's not got flat brain syndrome. If he did he'd not be able to play you like a fiddle.

                    P.S: Yes, please stay out of other countries politics, you need to figure out how your own country works first. You've got your tasks laid out for you.

                  3. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                    TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    'We wouldn't care if:

                    1. America didn't constantly poke her nose into the politics of other countries. She constantly sends in her CIA and other forces to change political systems.
                    2. She constantly goes to war in order to find oil, etc. and she destablilizes the world.
                    3. She manipulates the reserve currency so that she buys cheap and sells expensive, thereby making her rich. Fortunately that is now changing and within a few years, America will no longer be dominant currency wise.
                    4. She has the most powerful military in the world (China is fast catching up, though), and can destroy our planet as a result. She has an insane president which doesn't help. So the safety of the rest of the world is in dire straits as a result of America.
                    5. America has been voted as the country most likely to start WWIII by the rest of the world.
                    6. Despite climate change being the result of over production and over-consumerism, the current American president has done everything in his power to ensure that business continues to harm the environment. So America plays havoc with the safety of the rest of the world.
                    7. America has become horror of the world - with civil rights disappearing and people being locked in cages, tortured, etc. First world standards are not met. There is no adequate public transport. People go bankrupt for lack of healthcare, etc. And, yet, like every other fascist dictator in the world, the president continues to boast that it is the best country int he world. Deutschland uber alles. Make America great again.
                    8. People from other countries are highly educated (in comparison to America). This means that they know about the inner politics not only of their own country - but of countries all over the world.
                    9. Americans read only their own news sources, so they have no idea what is going on elsewhere or how America is really perceived. People in other countries keep an open mind. They read South China Morning Post, Russia Today, Der Spiegel, France 24, The African Report, etc. People in other countries are informed about global events. Americans arent. They live in a fishbowl. The rest of us live in an ocean.
                    10. Fortunately there are reasonably well informed Americans. I know that because I have many of them as friends. They're progressives...

            2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
              TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              British people, much of Africa, New Zealand people, Canadian people, etc. all speak the Queen's English. American English is a derivative of the Queen's English.

              Therefore people who live in other countries are quite capable of understanding American English.

              Granted the American president can neither speak nor write English well, but then he can't do anything well.

              The onus is on the speaker/writer to write/speak in such a way that the listener/reader understands.

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
          TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          The 'trade imbalance' with China is a result of China playing a better game than the USA. The USA held the power for years, but China saw loopholes and took advantage of them.

          Playing a game well does not mean that a person is cheating.

          America no longer knows how to play the trade game.

          Let me give her some clues.

          1. Manufacture a good product cheaply.
          2. Keep your production in your own country otherwise the secret of how you do it will get out. There's a thing called reverse engineering.
          3. Educate your workers/people to a high standard and provide free education.
          4. Ensure that your currency isn't expensive. If your currency is expensive, it means your products are expensive.
          5. Make sure that you have a well run post office and people from other countries don't have to pay exorbitant prices to ferry the goods from the USA to their countries. At the moment, it's virtually impossible to send any parcel to South Africa without paying a few hundred dollars (that's for something like a fountain pen).

          Lots more. The point is America is losing the game because they have depended on their status and military might for too long. The rest of hte world has moved on. They have found other people who are nicer and who play the game better.

          Sad.

          1. Live to Learn profile image79
            Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Oh lord. Really? Or, could other factors be contributing? Such as forced labor?

            https://www.npr.org/2018/12/18/67789504 … -u-s-brand

            Or, maybe, unfair currency manipulation plays a part?

            https://www.investopedia.com/trading/ch … tion-yuan/

            Maybe it's the lack of government protection for workers?

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/business … story.html

            Or, I don't know, maybe no regulations to make people and companies pay compensation when money is all that matters? And the average citizen has little recourse to sue?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

            The options China appears to have extent far past those available in the West.

            1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
              TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Thank you for proving my point. That's exactly why American business sent all the stuff that Americans buy to China to be produced - because they didn't want to pay American workers sufficient money to live. It was cheaper to get the stuff manufactured in China.

              So what's your point?

              1. Live to Learn profile image79
                Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                Oh. Ok. So, your point is that however immoral and underhanded a government allows its manufacturing processes to be, however much a government can manipulate its currency (out of accordance with fair international practices) and human suffering, in the pursuit of market dominance is ok, as long as it's cheaper.

                Gotcha.

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                  TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  Well that is certainly what China and America agree to, don't you think? After all, if American business men had any morals, they wouldn't have sent their production to China, would they?

                  1. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    I've never defended corporations as being moral. However, I think it is long past the time for China to drop tariffs on American products, to allow American companies the same access to their consumers that we allow Chinese companies.

                    China created a sweet deal for itself by its unfair trade practices. Our government acquiesced. Businesses took advantage of these unfair trade practices which were allowed by the US.

                    I'm not saying anyone isn't to blame. What I was saying was your comment conveniently excluded facts.

                  2. Ken Burgess profile image89
                    Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    There is a flaw here in your perspective.

                    It is not "American" business men... it is International Businesses, which have no loyalty to any nation, and move their HQs to wherever it is most advantageous to do so, this is the cause of the 'Rise of China' and the "Fall of Western Civilization" which we are currently living thru.

                    In part.

                    The other part is China itself, its history, its lost 100 years due to Western interference and opium epidemics. How it pictures itself in the world and its determination to dominate and control the future. And how it is determined to never let the 'West' bring it to its knees again.

                    China and its populace are unified in a way, under one ruling/dictatorial government, that the West could never aspire to at this stage, this gives them immense control over what direction the nation takes, and unlike in America and the UK, they are not handicapped by elections and shifts in voter sentiment.

          2. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            The trade imbalance isn't even that, Tess.  It is simply that America is richer and wants more products sold from China than the other way around.  This is a simple concept that Trump and his economic advisors are incapable of understanding - SAD.

            Did China manipulate currency? Yes they did once but stopped after the world started fighting back.

            Does China steal our patents and other intellectual property?  Yes they do, but a trade war is an ineffective way of stopping that.

            Is China an overall bad actor?  Yes they are, but a trade war only makes them worse.

      2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        +++

    2. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Stop it!  Stop putting things in proper context!

      He stated "the Chosen one" it doesn't matter what the reference or reason, point is he said it.

      1. lobobrandon profile image91
        lobobrandonposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Who said that it's proper context? See the tweets he sent out on the 21st of August: https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/344 … ost4091550

      2. tsadjatko profile image67
        tsadjatkoposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Talk about context, the left can’t criticize any of Trump’s successful policies so all they can do is harp on anything he says, even lying about what he says like Biden did on his Charlottesville comments!

        All this occurs while they totally ignore the context of obamagate, obama’s traitorous efforts to keep Trump from being elected, being the chosen one, chosen by the people.

        https://omny.fm/shows/america-first-wit … -21-hour-1

        https://omny.fm/shows/america-first-wit … -21-hour-2

        https://omny.fm/shows/america-first-wit … -21-hour-3

        If you can listen to these three hours and still think the Democrat party represents anything good there is no hope for you and if you won’t even listen to them you prove you are not capable of honest discourse or just don’t care that the Democrat party attempted a traitorous Coup.

        1. My Esoteric profile image90
          My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          You are right, the Left (or anybody else for that matter) can't criticize any of Trump's successful policies. Why?  Because he has had no successful policies to criticize.  Simple.

          Even the one piece of major legislation he managed to pass, the GOP Tax Scam, failed to achieve

          1 - its goal of higher growth to pay for the enormous loss of revenue it generated.

          2 - increase wages and bonuses

          3 - increase jobs

          4 - substantial lower middle class taxes

          The only things it did achieve was make the rich richer and rich corporations richer.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Do you read much about economics?

            "The U.S. unemployment rate, for instance, is currently hovering near a 50-year low, after dropping by an entire percentage point since the president’s inauguration. More importantly, the ongoing economic resurgence is making the American Dream more accessible than ever before. 

            "The U.S. economy has already added more than 6 million new jobs in just 2 ½ years, and employee compensation and savings are skyrocketing  -- clear indications that working Americans are experiencing the benefits of this booming economy."

              https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic … 40956.html

    3. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      China is not flourishing because of únfair trade' practices.

      China took advantage of the fact that America holds the reserve currency. America used the Reserve currency in order to buy cheap and sell expensive, and it therefore made a lot of money. China used that fact to her advantage - that she could sell cheap!

      China wanted to be a world power. She realized that she couldn't to it by investing in arms because it was too expensive. So she decided to invest in trade. She built the new 'silk road,'so that her goods could be transported across the world. In addition, the communist party does the research as to which markets needs goods, and then people apply to run that business. So Chinese business is always assured of a good market.

      Just because China is playing the game well does not mean she is cheating.

      What has happened to America is the same thing that has happened to many a king or person of high status. They were so accustomed to power that they forgot how to play the game...

    4. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you for providing the full statement. Certainly clarifies the sentiment.

  5. profile image0
    PrettyPantherposted 23 months ago

    This thread is freakin' hilarious. I have to laugh or I will cry.

    Our president's malignant narcissistic personality disorder is being fueled by religious nut jobs and defended as perfectly normal by members of his 40%.

    It's so damned creepy.

    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      At some point, you have to stop blaming Trump and start blaming his followers because Trump's dog whistles work on them. He just knows specifically what buttons to push, so perhaps he deserves some credit for getting certain types of people to rise up.

      1. My Esoteric profile image90
        My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Oh, I do blame his followers, believe me.  But I blame two other things more:

        1 - Russia
        2 - Democrats, especially Latinos, who didn't vote in 2016 thinking Clinton wasn't going to lose.  What a waste of the biggest gift in their lives - the chance to control their own destinies and they blew it big time.

  6. TessSchlesinger profile image94
    TessSchlesingerposted 23 months ago

    So what. America bought it. China does not want Americans to sell products to her. They make enough for themselves.  There is no moral imperative that China should reciprocate.

    No, my comment did not exclude the facts. You're just presenting excuses for a bad agreement made by the American government.

    As I said, China was savvy enough to take advantage of it. And American business, in its greed to make even more money, transferred much of American production to China.

    China then learnt how to make the products themselves (reverse engineering) and no longer needs American know-how.

    The bottom line is that America had no foresight. And that's the problem with Republicans. They have no foresight.

    Here's the bottom line. China does not need America as a market. And China is not going to succumb to American pressure. That is what Donald Trump does not understand.

    China has built a 'silk road' right across Europe and is busy investing in Africa. America not needed.

    So I have to ask you. What sort of pressure do you think that Trump can use to force China to have American goods in her market place?

    America, because of hte strength of the dollar, will never be able to produce  and sell as cheaply as the Chinese can.

    1. Live to Learn profile image79
      Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Ok. Your words 'bad agreement by U.S.'

      We are changing the agreement. Don't complain.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
        TessSchlesingerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        Um.

        Nope.

        Not complaining.

        Pointing out that America hasn't got sufficient power to force China to change the agreement.

        Trump, like many people who have had too much power and money without sufficient opposition, doesn't actually realize he can't bully China into a new agreement.

        Certainly, he is trying.

        Good luck with that.

        1. Live to Learn profile image79
          Live to Learnposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          So, China's behavior has not been bullying but Trump's attempt to level the playing field is?

          That makes absolutely no sense.

          1. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Trump is a bully, plain and simple.  He has always been and always will be.

        2. crankalicious profile image94
          crankaliciousposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Of everything Trump has done, said... his position on China is by far the most admirable.

          All other Presidents, on both sides, have ignored that particular problem, mostly because American love their cheap goods.

          1. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Actually, that is not true, is it Cranky.  Past American presidents and other world leaders finally got China to stop manipulating currency.

            1. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Could you provide evidence that proves your statement?

              1. My Esoteric profile image90
                My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this
                1. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  You point to VOX and the NYT?  Sorry, I would need a reputable source. 

                  It's not a simple YES or NO answer.  IT is complicated. 

                  "Legally speaking, the issue of whether China meets the standard for manipulation set out in U.S. law is complex. The 2015 Trade Enforcement Act sets out three criteria a country must meet to be tagged a manipulator: a bilateral surplus with the United States, an overall current account surplus, and one-sided intervention in the foreign-exchange market to suppress the value of its currency. The Treasury Department’s most recent report [PDF] concluded that China only met the bilateral surplus criterion."

                  https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/china-mani … s-currency

  7. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 23 months ago

    Everyone using my post to respond to each other.

    Go into chronological view,  already.

  8. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 23 months ago

    I finally saw the clip where Trump said that.

    My advice to everyone complaining (that includes my earlier statement) is chill. There was nothing creepy, once I saw it in context. He didn't mean jack when he said it.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I agree. I think he was trying to say, it fell in my lap because none of the previous Presidents would take China on.  And it is clear he is brae enough to try to solve this long time growing problem head-on.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        It's clear that he is decimating the agricultural industry by starting a trade war before expanding into other markets.  Having to hand out $29 billion in socialist bailouts at taxpayer expense because he didn't really think the plan through seems just fine to his supporters.  Oh, and the tariffs are like a tax increase for the middle class as the price of goods and services increase.  So the rich get the most tax breaks from his tax cut, the middle class bears the brunt of the damage from his trade war. 

        That's not brave, that's just stupid.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

          I was commenting on the subject of the post  " I am the chosen one".  I am in complete agreement with Trump's methods in regards to the rade war. I am very pleased someone is finally facing the task. I think for many years we have been taken advantage of and look like fools. We have only added to making China a very large powerful country.

          1. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            So you are in complete agreement with bankrupting our farmers and driving America into a recession?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Yes,  as I said I am very pleased to see that finally, we have a president that is willing to tackle this growing problem. It certainly will not go away on its own. The farmers are being subsidized, and it is true they are feeling the brunt of the trade war. Sacrifice is necessary to put America in a better trading position for our future. I don't agree we should cower and keep our heads buried in the sand. Hopefully, the farmers will be rewarded for their sacrifice and patience. In regards to the recession, that is a wait and see a situation.

              1. My Esoteric profile image90
                My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                Well you keep believing that (I assume you aren't one of the ones needlessly sacrificing).  The good news is those same farmers will either not vote in 2020 or vote for somebody who won't destroy their livelihood and put them on welfare (what you call subsidies).

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  I guess that remains to be seen.  I can't read into what farmers are feeling in regards to fair trade.  It well appears you have an inside scoop on what the farmers of America feel, and how they will vote. And you assume too much, I  invest, so I could well be hurt with the trade wars, and I am willing to bit the bullet for better trade. As I said this problem has been around too long, needs to be addressed.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image90
                    My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                    I don't need any special insight.  All I need to do is listen to what they are saying and read their quotes along with apply a modicum of common sense to understand what they are thinking.

                    I would be willing to bite the bullet as well if Trump had any clue as to what he was doing - but he doesn't.  NEVER in the history of the United States has America ever won a trade war, regardless of who initiates it.

      2. My Esoteric profile image90
        My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

        The idea that no other president would take on China is patently false.  They chose not to destroy America in combating China's bad behavior.

        The track US and Britain took years ago was to integrate China into the world economic system with the hope that it would start obeying the rule and that prosperity of the people would change the gov'ts behavior. 

        Has it worked? Yes and no.  China has modified some of its behavior like stopping manipulating currency several years ago.  Much of what China is being ostracized for is exactly the same things America did when we were at their stage of economic development. 

        These two articles may help explain things better and put the "sky-is-falling" rhetoric into perspective.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi … na/589720/

        https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi … at/587536/

        As to Trump being brave - no more than the next bully.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image89
          Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

          That should be concerning then, should it not?

          China has said for itself what it plans: Made in China 2025, 2035, 2049

          http://cimsec.org/the-chinese-dream-and … tegy/35066

          China is rising without playing by the rules of the American order, thieving intellectual property from U.S. companies, forcing technology transfers, prejudicing state-owned companies and manipulating its currency to mercantile advantage.

          The U.S. considers itself the greatest power in the world, and believes it should be running the world.

          China is a 4000 year old society. The Mandarin word for China means center of the Universe.

          From the Chinese viewpoint, China is the Sun, and every other nation should be a tributary that orbits around them.

          For 100 years America has been #1 the global leader.

          China considers the last 100 years the century of shame.

          The two nations do not see things the same, both want to dominate and control the world. 

          That link I provided explains the Grand Strategy, and the very real threat it poses to America.  The links that you provide, well in truth they are scary,  that individual is who was advising McCain and is the Deputy Director-General of the International Institute for Strategic Studies... scary stuff, head-in-sand type of perspective.

          However that article did talk about those who did see the wisdom:   Steve Cortes, writing in RealClearPolitics, compared Trump on China to Ronald Reagan on the Soviet Union—ahead of his time in confronting its malevolence. Greg Autry wrote in Foreign Policy, “Trump’s China policy is a triumph.” The Wall Street Journal reported that CEOs have been coming around to support tariffs as “American business’s best shot at addressing those long-standing grievances.” Even The New York Times acknowledged that Trump has overturned years of failed multilateral efforts to deal with China.

          China poses the greatest threat this nation has ever faced, in terms of losing its freedoms, sovereignty, economic individualism and place on the national stage.  China the most capable and true threat this nation has faced since freeing itself from England.

          1. My Esoteric profile image90
            My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Unfortunately Trump hasn't overturned anything.  The most likely outcome of his policies is a major recession if things don't change.  The mid-West is already going bankrupt at rates not seen since 2008. 

            No, "CEOs have been coming around to support tariffs"  Consider more recent posts such as:

            https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/ … es-1532348

            https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-it-co … 1561627806

            https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/ … ng-1470361

            The multilateral efforts may not have been 100% effective, they didn't destroy America either.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image89
              Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

              Look, this debate alone is proof as to why America will fall to China.

              Not just the two of us who have differing views on the matter, but that we can link to an endless amount of "experts" themselves who are all over the place on the matter.  The "experts" are divided on what to do.  Our politicians are divided, corrupt and lack the will to do what is required to keep America #1.  And the American people are frayed and divided over an endless array of idiotic issues.

              China's leadership is unified in seeing out its plan, the Chinese people are unified in a way only a 4,000 year old society can be, and they now have the edge in technology and industry. It is too late now for America to put the brakes on this transition to stop it, America does not have the vision, tenacity or unity to defeat this type of foe.

              China will stick to its plan, and it will win.  China will turn America into a vassal state, this is the fate of any nation that does not put their own interests first.  And we have had leadership that has failed to do that for over 30 years... Trump's efforts just delay China's eventual success, and China realizes this as well.  Come 2020... they will attack the Stock Market, they will fund the opposition, they will pay for propaganda, they will do what it takes to remove the obstacle to their plans.

              1. crankalicious profile image94
                crankaliciousposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                So, Ken, I think if somebody was coming to this conversation from the outside, it would look an awful lot like you're demonstrating quite a bit of admiration for a totalitarian regime.

                Furthermore, if one knew of your support for President Trump given his leanings toward, shall we say, a disregard for Democracy, one might extrapolate that you are suggesting that his sort of authoritarian governing style is precisely what the U.S. needs to "win" against China.

                Do I have any of this right?

                So here is my question: just what exactly are you suggesting we sacrifice to beat China at its own game? Do we need to become more like China? Is that what anyone wants?

                Or are you just lamenting the seemingly sad state of our two-party political system?

                I think you and I agree on China. Maybe we would quibble about a few of the details, but for the most part, we're in agreement.

                One might suggest what we actually need is somebody the opposite of Trump, but somebody who shares his view of China. That somebody would need to reach across the aisle on at least this one issue and bring the two parties together to come up with a plan that would address the China problem for the next 20+ years.

                Given how much of our debt they own and how many of their goods we buy and how addicted Americans are to their cheap crap, it's hard to imagine that could happen even though it's what has to happen. From that perspective, I can see the value in one man like Trump just putting tariffs into effect to force the issue.

              2. My Esoteric profile image90
                My Esotericposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                I would agree China will try to influence the election, but so is Russia on the opposite side.  One hopes they will cancel each other out.  Then, after 2021, we will have a president who takes foreign interference seriously and head up a real effort to do something about it.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image89
                  Ken Burgessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  China & Russia are allies, united in BRICS and in their opposition to America's global dominance.

                  This is common knowledge stuff here for anyone moderately knowledgeable about current international affairs.

                  On top of BRICS they have the Silk Road initiative, oil & gas for goods trade agreements, and they are both supportive of Iran's interests and oppose America's position on Iran.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, weak attempts, and failures.

 
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