James Carville rips media, says Dems are 'losing our damn minds

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  1. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

    According to Carville, both Sanders and Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., were pushing "stupid" ideas about higher education.

    Carville added that he considered himself a "liberal" rather than a centrist -- but Democrats went too far even for him.

    "They’ve tacked off the damn radar screen," he said when asked if the party moved too far left.

    His comments came just after another interview in which he said he was "scared to death" after Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., netted a large portion of the vote in Iowa's caucuses.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/carville- … damn-minds

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Mike, the Democrats have LONG lost their sanity.   They are going completely under...……..That is OLD news.  Ever since the "Great" Society in the 1960s, Democrats have been going...…….LEFTWARD......

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      PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Carville is an old school Democrat operative who wants to maintain the status quo. He has an opinion. It doesn't mean he's right.

      1. hard sun profile image85
        hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Yeah. Which is it anyway...Democrats lost in 2016 cause they cheated Bernie, and thus Americans, out of real change. Or, that they lost because they are radical socialists? I've read both coming from the same people here on Hubpages and elsewhere. It cannot be both ways. I think some people spend too much time trying to figure out why a party, which they say they hate, lost an election.

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          PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          There is an underlying psychological explanation for this odd need of Trump supporters to blame Democrats for Trump's election. They know they put a lying, cheating, bullying, lazy POS into office and desperately want to believe it is someone else's responsibility. No one forced them to cast that vote for Trump, yet they seem to want to blame others for it.

          1. hard sun profile image85
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Excellent point. Why would they put so much effort into their excuses if they didn't need them?

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              PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Yep. Some of them literally started blaming others for their vote the day after the election right here on these forums.

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            promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            They also don't give credit where credit is due. It's a guy named Vladimir Putin.

    3. Eastward profile image90
      Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      His opinion can basically be summed up in thinking that the game revolves around power for the Democratic party. In my opinion, he's underestimating that the corruption and incompetence of the party is making more realize that the power of the people is what matters.

  2. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

    I'm always stunned by the current Democrat party.

    Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

    They always lose to President Donald Trump.  The amazing thing is how they don't change and keep doing the same thing over and over again.

    Trying to force a bogus investigation on him didn't work.  Trying a bogus impeachment scam didn't work. Insulting his followers hasn't worked.  Insulting him hasn't worked. Telling blatant lies about him constantly in the media hasn't worked.  The Democrat playbook for success that worked so well with George W. Bush, no longer works.  BUT, they keep doing the same thing and they keep losing.

    That is the main reason I believe the leadership of the Democrat party has lost its mind.  They keep doing the same thing, it doesn't work and rather than change their tactics, they keep doing the same thing, losing and not understanding why they lost.  Making up excuses, detaching themselves from reality and playing the honorable victim also isn't working.

    The Democrat party has to change their ways big time if they have any hope of winning in the future.

    Until then, the insanity known as TDS will continue to destroy them.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, being Too Damn Smart will certainly not allow them to fall for Trump's BS as his enablers do, Mike.

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      PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, they have been losing to a lying, cheating,  bullying POS. Except for the 2016 election, when the people selected more Democrats to provide oversight to the arrogant cheater. That doesn't mean that those who are on the side of right should start doing wrong just to win. That is not why the people chose them.

      They lost the impeachment battle, as they knew they wpuld. Trump, arrogant crook that he is, will become even more blatantly criminal as a result. It is now up to the electorate to rid ourselves of this disgusting POS and the amoral sycophants who let him get away with his corrupt behavior. Mitch, Lndsay, Devin: all have targets on their backs.

      It remains to be seen whether enough voters cherish the republic enough to rid our republic  of those who are not interested in keeping it.

    3. Eastward profile image90
      Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      They certainly do seem to think that repeated propping up of corporate Democrats is the way to go. They having been fighting the idea of a Sanders nomination since before 2016 and that seems to continue despite voters sending them the message in Iowa and New Hampshire (not to mention polls showing him leading nationwide). It seems to me they are worried more about damage to the system that allows them to enrich themselves while in office than they are about winning the election.

  3. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

    Keep it going.  You guys are a gift that keeps giving.  I hope you don't change a thing.  Keep on doing what you're doing and you will always experience the same result.

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      PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      And, if you are right, when our republic is no more, will you take responsibility for your role in its demise?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Of course not, Sandy. He'll blame Obama and Hillary....

    2. hard sun profile image85
      hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks. My marriage is still going and the family all seems to be doing well.

  4. hard sun profile image85
    hard sunposted 17 months ago

    As far as politics, didn't the Democrats when over more House seats in the last election? I can't say I had much to do with that though.

    1. Readmikenow profile image98
      Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      I would say yes, and that is typical during a mid-term election during a president's first term in office.  It happened to obama, George W. Bush(wait, I think he may have gained seats in Congress during his first term), Bill Clinton.  It really isn't a surprise.

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Your tendency to disrespect Obama by deliberately putting his name in small letters is obvious, believe me I dislike your hero, trump, at least to same extent. The Democratic Party President that wins both the popular vote AND the Electoral College handily, let see trump match that?

        So, where does that get us?

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          promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          And win both without a huge amount of help from Russian intelligence agencies.

          1. Readmikenow profile image98
            Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Here is a link to the Mueller Report.

            Please show me in it where "huge amounts of help from Russian intelligence agencies" is mentioned.  I read it, and it takes awhile, but I didn't see such a thing. 

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics … index.html

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              promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              You seem to have a habit of inventing facts. All you need to do is use the search function on the report.

              Both Mueller and the bipartisan Senate intelligence committee found extensive interference.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 538877002/

              https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … e-n1034736

              Then again, maybe you are in favor of Trump getting help from Russia. Are you?

      2. hard sun profile image85
        hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        They don't have "any hope of winning" yet it doesn't come as a surprise that they won. Nonsense.

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    Onusonusposted 17 months ago

    Yes they are way out there.
    https://snopes.com/uploads/2015/09/bernie-sanders.jpg

    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Did you read the article? In 1972, the underground press, of which this was probably a newspaper, was into shock value. It's pretty evident that, although Sanders clearly wrote the article, was doing so ironically. The point of the article is actually for men and women to redefine their gender roles. I suppose he didn't exactly do it in the most elegant way, but this was part of the times in journalism. Of course, there's no point to explaining this. I doubt you care or would understand.

      The larger point though is well-taken. If we're going to hold some people to today's standards of behavior, all should be held to them.

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        Onusonusposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I understand your spin, I just don't buy it.

        1. crankalicious profile image94
          crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Well, context doesn’t seem to matter anymore, so not surprised.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          You do buy into the ridiculous memes, however.

          1. hard sun profile image85
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Don't poke fun Randy. He has a disorder where he can only understand words if they are accompanied by pictures.

  6. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 17 months ago

    Is there no depth you will not stoop to, Joey?

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      PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Let me answer that. The Russian propagandists have done extensive research on what tickles the amygdala of the Trump base, and Onus is apparently prime prey for their bait.

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        Onusonusposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I got the picture from a Snopes article about the creepy essay he wrote. Unless your beloved Snopes is now in cahoots with the Russians.

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          promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Let's cut out the BS. Are you in favor of Russian support for Trump? I await your answer.

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          PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Hey, this is progress. Perhaps you could source every meme from now on.

        3. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Your comment prompted me to go find that Snope's article. I did, and am now perplexed. Do we cut him some slack for stuff that is similar to what many of us would wish we never said in the zeal of our youth, or do we condemn him for what his 'inner thoughts' betray?

          I will cut him the slack. Heaven help me if I were held, now, to the standards of some of the thoughts I espoused in those early years.

          Did you think about that, or the source of the meme, before posting it?

          GA

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            He never thinks, Gus. His silly memes are proof of that.

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      promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      The answer is no.

    3. Live to Learn profile image78
      Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      He didn't stoop. That is true. Out of context, in my opinion, because it does sound quite wretched as a stand alone statement. But Bernie did write that and by the rules of the left it should be left out of context to stand alone.

      Your rules. You should be happy to play by them.

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    Onusonusposted 17 months ago

    Rules are rules. Liberals believe government is God and you should emulate your god.
    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/84954890_516489072620150_1684362242209873920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=9xLQsMhm1xgAX9YTfN8&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=570f24d4bdae8057839645d9f9f1f5ca&oe=5EBE9742

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Like Trump kissing Ivanka? lol

  8. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

    The violence of the left also makes them look more crazy than usual.

    "Man accused of driving through Republican voter registration tent arrested

    “Hours after a van plowed through a Republican Party tent where volunteers were registering voters, Jacksonville police arrested a 27-year-old man on two counts of aggravated assault on a person over 65 years old, criminal mischief and driving without a license.”

    https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/202 … tion-tent/

    1. hard sun profile image85
      hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Us vs Them..spread the message. "The left" is gonna get you.

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    Onusonusposted 17 months ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/86260408_1323340194538679_7538260224067502080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_eui2=AeEar2q7R0HTVhDPfSzDWsTQZpKwAC10Um3KvU57DL7eCTG1_9rl1GqrreUr8xooX_HEVqiLOC-yTBKix0ncvv9XjwZWiCPuxlOVbaKBAQzpTw&_nc_ohc=KGz6yOxvqAsAX_gVUx_&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=a3e2f53331339b06d3095cb3dfa162c6&oe=5EC531CA

    1. Readmikenow profile image98
      Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Yeah, it seems it's like that with the actors in Hollywood as well.

    2. hard sun profile image85
      hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Bernie got you scared...here comes "the left." Better watch out, I think these people are called "the left" as they take the left hand path on their way to the local marijuana sin parlor.

      1. Readmikenow profile image98
        Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I think there is a good reason to fear Bernie supporters.  One of them shot up a few Republican congressmen.  As I said before, the violence on the left knows no boundaries.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, he should have used a car like the Trump supporters in Charlottesville. tongue

        2. hard sun profile image85
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          There it is again..."the left" and "one of them". You took the us vs them memo hook, line, sinker. Never mind all the violence in America everyday...let's focus on "the left" because "the right" needs American enemies.

    3. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      He should be driving a VW and flying in a Piper Cub, right? What a stupid meme as usual, Joey. lol

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    Onusonusposted 17 months ago

    Why's Elizabeth Warren hiding behind her staff after jumping off her private jet? Doesn't she believe in saving the environment?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-7rqWVS6RU

    1. hard sun profile image85
      hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      I don't really care, but why does Trump denounce the foreign Visa program when foreigners on that program built Trump Tower?

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        Onusonusposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        So you're saying Warren can be as bad as Trump as long as she has a "D" in front of her name at the ballot box.
        Good argument. lol

        1. hard sun profile image85
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          So you're saying Trump can be worse than Warren as long as he is Trump? Good Argument. I never even stated I supported Warren, but your complaints are ridiculous and whiny. You come off as obsessed with being scared of a group of people who sometimes vote Democrat.

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            Onusonusposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I'm not a Trumper. I think they both suck.

            1. hard sun profile image85
              hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              So what's your point then?

            2. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              OH! A Bernie guy! tongue

      2. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I was unfamiliar with this new 'problem', and I found some interesting information discussing the purpose of, and proposed changes to, the H1-b visa program that sparked your comment.

        Since my understanding is not yet fully-informed, take a look at these two links that gave me a start. It doesn't seem like such a bad idea at surface level.

        NYT - Top C.E.O.s Denounce Trump Immigration Policy as Threat to U.S. Economy

        "The letter’s main focus was the treatment of applications for, and renewals of, H-1B visas for skilled foreign workers. The visas are used by companies to hire computer engineers and other professionals."

        . . . "In recent years, however, the visa program has been criticized because corporations, especially Indian technology outsourcing companies, have exploited legal loopholes in the H-1B regime to replace American workers and shift jobs out of the United States. The immigration service has said its increased scrutiny and enforcement actions were intended to strengthen “protections to combat H-1B abuses.”


        The Guardian - Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program that admits foreign workers *This is an older article, but the information seems relevant

        "H-1B visas admit 65,000 workers and another 20,000 graduate student workers each year. Most of the visas are awarded to outsourcing firms, which critics say exploit loopholes to fill lower-level IT jobs with foreign workers, often at lower pay. The White House intends “a total transformation” of the programme from a lottery to a merit-based system, a senior administration official said.

        Trump’s executive order will call on government departments to introduce reforms to ensure that H-1B visas are awarded to the “most skilled or highest paid applicants”, the official told reporters.

        “Right now H-1B visas are awarded by random lottery and many of you will be surprised to know that about 80% of H-1B workers are paid less than the median wage in their fields. Only 5% to 6%, depending on the year, of H-1B workers command the highest wage tier recognised by the Department of Labor.”


        I know that other trade fields also use the H1-B program, but the current reform effort seems to be directed at the higher-skilled worker applications, and, a fight against losing American jobs to foreign workers. (Do you remember the Disney fiasco where Disney made American workers train their foreign H1-B replacements?)

        What do you think?

        GA

        1. hard sun profile image85
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          This is not a simple matter though I'm sure Trump knows something about manipulating the VISA program, or at least his lawyers do (thus making the hypocrisy allegations valid IMO).  I also understand that Trump made it harder to get skilled worker VISAs, per your links, which I don't think is necessarily good or bad right now. I would need more information to make an informed more detailed opinion. However, I do think we either have to reasonably accommodate the H1- or watch the companies move their entire operations overseas and lose even more tax .

          To me, the crux of the matter is American public school funding. I worked on an immigration plan as a lobbyist. The lobbying campaign was payed for by Zuckerberg. I heard him state that the problem was he could not find enough qualified Americans to do the jobs he needed. I believed him as he was paying a lot of money to push the bill that would have made skilled labor VISAs last longer and easier to apply for. The public education system just doesn't have the funding to teach engineering skills of the caliber our tech companies need. So, while fighting this VISA manipulation is probably not a bad thing, I don't think it's going to solve the bigger problems.

          One bigger problem that Washington needs to be working on is how the tech companies take advantage of Americans in the "gig economy." The tech industry taps into a market that they know is not easily employable. They often pay Americans below minimum wage and break all kinds of employment laws. The way to solve this is through tort and justice system reform, and I don't see Trump, or anyone for that matter, hitting on this huge problem.

          I may have to dig a little deeper on what is going on right now with these visas. It really would be nice to discover that Trump was listening to expert advisers and actually making an informed decision on this.

  11. Valeant profile image87
    Valeantposted 17 months ago

    Why should anyone really care about a person like Mike who stereotypes all of the Democratic party as being as far to the left as Sanders and Warren?  That kind of thinking, which is often what he espouses on these forums, just puts on full display his lack of knowledge about the true makeup of our party.  It'd be like us liberal thinking people claiming all of those who support the GOP are white nationalists because that group tends to think along similar lines.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      They aren't all white nationalists? Coulda fooled me!  tongue

  12. Credence2 profile image81
    Credence2posted 17 months ago

    Geez, even I did not hold something that Kavenaugh did at 17 against him during the debate regarding his addition to the SC.

    So, no, I am not going to hold anyone to something they said almost 50 years ago. No more than I would castigate the late Senator Byrd of Virginia for being associated with the KlAn years before. He turned out to be a good Democrat and got on board with the agenda, instead of allowing himself to participate in the "Southern Strategy".

    The point is is that I am satisfied with Bernie's track record here and now and his long history of progressive activism.

    1. Readmikenow profile image98
      Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      As always, you are a voice of reason.

      I wonder what it means to you to be a progressive and how that would change the government.

      How do you think it would make things better?

      1. crankalicious profile image94
        crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I think Trump crushes Bernie, which is why Trump is promoting Bernie when he can. If Trump runs against a moderate, he might lose. He's not going to lose against anyone really far left.

        However, at this point, both sides are running up the deficit so high, does it really matter what we're spending all the taxpayer's money on?

        1. hard sun profile image85
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I go back and forth on this. From my personal vantage point, I think I'd have to agree. In other words, the potential swing voters I know, and most of the Dems I know, are more moderate. However, I do personally know of some of the more economically far left crowd who just won't get the will up to vote against Trump if we don't have an anti-establishment sort of Democrat candidate. Essentially they don't see much difference between Trump and Biden beyond a few pounds and Trump's big mouth, which may not be enough to get them to the polls.

          I think this article makes a good case for Bernie's chances: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ … 694526002/

          I also like this Buttigieg quote from the article: "“If we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're going to do?”  Republicans will say "we’re a bunch of crazy socialists. So let’s stand up for the right policy, go up there and defend it.”

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 17 months agoin reply to this

            "I also like this Buttigieg quote from the article: "“If we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're going to do?”  Republicans will say "we’re a bunch of crazy socialists. So let’s stand up for the right policy, go up there and defend it.”
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            You want to know something, Hard Sun, I like that quote as well.

            The reality is that anything for conservatives or right wingers that is "left" of Trump is radical from their view. They will NEVER get it and simply must be vanquished at the polls. That is why milquetoasts and the lukewarm candidates can never win, if they are afraid to address the real problems in American Governance and the economy head on without equivocating. My issues with this society and culture go far beyond Donald Trump and unlike many Democrats who believe that removing Trump is the sole priority, for me that in itself is not enough.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              I like it too; a Democrat willing to stand up for his Socialism and proclaim it to all that will listen rather than bury it until after the election in spin and half truths and then bring it out.

              It remains to be seen whether it can be effective.  It might be; there are millions that want their "bread and circuses" at any cost as long as they aren't the ones paying for it.  It is unfortunate that those millions are unable to look beyond their next "free" pile of money to the long term effects of unlimited charity and control, but it could change an election enough to return power to the Democrat handlers rather than the Republican ones.

              1. hard sun profile image85
                hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I'm guessing you didn't really misunderstand that, and are attempting to be funny. At this point, a Democrat could say they want to de-regulate the entire energy industry and Trump would scream "dirty socialists."

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Modern socialism consists, in a simplistic view, of a giant nanny state with government in control of nearly anything including the support of its citizens.

                  And in that respect, the Democratic party is very much in favor of it - they just don't wish to acknowledge that.  People can take offense when treated as children, unable to make decisions for themselves and that is not in the best interests of a party wishing such control.

                  So in that regard it is refreshing to hear a candidate tell us what their goals and policies really are.  We don't get much of that any more, from either side.

                  But your gross exaggeration of what Trump would say is beneath you, for you know better.  He might happily sign such a bill (although I very highly doubt it), but he would not make the comment you say he would.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Trump would never say such a thing. Why not? Has he suddenly become a good person? I missed it I suppose!

                  2. gmwilliams profile image85
                    gmwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    The Democrats are becoming more socialistic in their ideology.   That is why many discerning Democrats are looking at their party suspect.  They don't agree with the insane, leftist socialist ideology or rather rhetoric which this increasingly insane party is espousing.  The Democrat Party is no longer the party of the middle class but has become the party of the poor & other never do wells who consistently want, even DEMAND handouts. Oh my God, there is another thread...……..

              2. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                The system we have is not working in my opinion for most of the people. I don't buy this charity and control stuff, I rather work to get the shackles of the oligarchs off from around our necks.

                I am rooting for it, a refreshing breath of fresh air....

                1. Readmikenow profile image98
                  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Do you have a system that would work better?  If you think socialism is the answer, what do you think happened Venezuela?

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Why are needed reforms to make the current system more fair and just   always made a akin to Communism and Socialism aka Venezuela? Don't you know that Conservatives said the same about FDR's New Deal?

                    Conservatives always do that you know, I wonder why, Mike?

                  2. gmwilliams profile image85
                    gmwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Exactly Mike.   Also look what happened to America as a result of the "Great" Society.  There was a plethora of social programs which taxed the hell out of middle class Americans.  Welfare programs broadened-my parents who were middle class complained about the broadening of welfare programs which increased their taxes.   The "Great" Society created the entitled American who believe that things should be free & that society OWES them.  The Democratic Party started going leftward then & now it is COMPLETELY LEFT!

              3. gmwilliams profile image85
                gmwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Totally agree.  The Democrat Party is now known as the Socialist Party & the Party of Freebies.   The Democrat Party for the past 5 decades is responsible for creating inane social programs which are toxic to the middle class- e.g. welfare.  Welfare should be cut AT LEAST 85-90%.  Welfare is making many people lose their incentive to better themselves.  Also the rising of minimum wage.   Minimum wage was fine the way it was before the increase.   Minimum wage was meant as an entrance, not lifetime.   Charity & freebies make people lazy & entitled.  It is time to reduce social programs & MAKE people earn their lifestyle through work.  If one doesn't have, WELL DO WITHOUT...…...STOP LOOKING TO OTHERS FOR SUPPORT...…..

            2. hard sun profile image85
              hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Hmmm...yeah,at this point  the Republicans are going to label and divide no matter how hard "the left" tries to meet them in the middle.

              I also think I understand what you are saying in terms of issues with society and think this point is something we must not forget. When I voted for Obama the first time, I really wanted big change, as I believe many others did. I was a bit disappointed on his ability to deliver, but I think that's more of a reflection on how entrenched the status quo is than on Obama's motivations.

              Trump voters say they want change as well. Of course, the vision is different in many ways, but is the same in other ways. I think this sameness gets lost in the shuffle among Trump's behavior and his attempts to divide for the sake of his own reelection chances.

              Personally, our issues/grievances with the government and culture are not likely 100 percent the same, but I'd bet they are at least mostly parallel.

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          Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Precisely.  Yet enough Democratic voters seem intent on a Far Leftist agenda, that it very well may come to pass.  Even if it doesn't, how many Far Leftist planks will the moderate Democratic candidate have to swallow so that the fringe Democratic voters show up for him/her?

          1. hard sun profile image85
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Just enough to win an election. You could switch this around and say the same about moderate candidates. How many moderate policies does a lefty have to gravitate toward in order to get middle of the road voters to vote for him or her?

            1. crankalicious profile image94
              crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              I'm kind of leaning more and more toward Mayor Pete.

              America has lost its soul and with it, the country and our way of governing. I think Mayor Pete may be the only one who can recover the country's soul and remind us what we're all about.

              Trump has actually done some very important stuff, policy-wise, on taxes and with China, but he's a cancer. No Trump supporter will admit this, but he's dragging our country to a bad place. And honestly, it's possible he's the symptom and not the cause, but somebody with some moral courage needs to emerge.

              1. hard sun profile image85
                hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I agree that Trump has brought a couple of things to the forefront that need to be addressed (i.e. China) But, this is just simply not worth the "cancer" in my mind, which I think is a good descriptor.

                I like Mayor Peter also, and being a gay male mayor in Indiana definitely means he has some moral courage. I know he's not as "radical" as Yang, who was my favorite, but I think he's more likely to get things done in Washington than was Yang.

                I hope more people think along the same lines as you, as far as putting decency first. America needs decency and unity right now. I think Klochubar resonated in the last debate with this type of message. I'm liking her more now also.

                1. crankalicious profile image94
                  crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  When your President begins using his influence to intimidate the judiciary, your country is going down the drain. It's the beginning of the end of a free society.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Just to throw some gas on the fire . . . I wonder if there is any truth in the claims that the DOJ's 'opinion' was in the works before the president's tweet?

                    There does seem to be some validity to the argument that the planned original recommended sentencing was a bit harsh, comparatively speaking, of course.

                    Would it make a difference if those two thoughts were true?

                    GA

                  2. hard sun profile image85
                    hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, I just read a bit about the prosecutors quitting on the Roger Stone case. He is getting closer to having all government branches answer to him.

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              Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              You're right, that can be viewed either way.  I do wonder how many moderate planks Sanders would swallow to be elected.  He seems to me to be a true believer, and not so likely to water down his message.

      2. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Kudos to you as well, Mike.

        I would have to write a book to go into it all.

        Being a progressive means

        1. Making this society into a true meritocracy, rather than being more akin to a monarchal structure we have now where power and privilege are bestowed to those with advantages that are unearned. The leveling of the playing field means that the corporate class and the affluent have less influence over the rest of us regarding what happens in Washington and the economy. Warren makes these points far more eloquently than do I.

        Therefore, I only trust candidates that are willing to prove to me that they are not "for sale".

        I want to see, as part of leveling the playing field, inexpensive or free education made available to all from either  trade schools or community colleges.  So, that being fabulous wealthy is not a prerequisite for acquiring a education and changing your economic fortunes. We can't afford to leave talent on the table or leave anyone behind.

        I read an article recently saying that we have invested over 2 trillions, with a T in Iraq and the region over a handful of years. What do we have to show for it outside of enriching military contractors and earning the ire of the Iraqis?

        I can bail out banks to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, yet investing in our people to ultimately allow them to be more competitive in this economy is Socialism. We want to know why China and Western Europe are not committing so much of their resources the way we do?

        It makes things better by allowing all those with a desire to better their lives given the means to do so without having been born with a silver spoon in their mouths to start. No one can tell me that 3 men can have more wealth than the population of one half of the country without serious consideration to how it was done or how it was possible.

        I want to invest in people not make oligarchs even richer. And believe me when people see that their economic situation become increasingly dire, the "haves" are going to become less secure in the ability to have people subscribe to a system and a game that is structurally rigged against them. Then there is going to be trouble in "River City".

        So, if this makes me a Socialist contrary to the classic definition, then so be it.

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      PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      I agree with you about not holding past transgressions against someone, but only if they have admitted those past transgressions were wrong and have indicated by their words and actions that they have changed or learned.

      This can be said of Senator Byrd and Senator Sanders.

      1. crankalicious profile image94
        crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Writing a shocking sentence in an underground publication in 1972 is not a transgression, so there's nothing to hold against Bernie. This is being taken way out of context.

        1. hard sun profile image85
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Yes it is! The essay reads more like a fictional story for an artsy underground mag.

      2. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I am on board with your clarification here, Panther.

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    Onusonusposted 17 months ago

    Socialist Bernie could have beaten Trump last time, he may have even had a shot this time, but,,,,
    Super Delegates know who's best for the party...
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  14. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 17 months ago

    Those are all good points hard sun. Each of them worthy of their own thread, particularly the one about our education system. 

    Your closing point was the reason I responded originally. It seems to be a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.'

    I took yours, and the media's comments about his H1-B actions as criticism. That may be wrong relative to your comment, but that is how it sounded.

    So what if the president was listening and acting on sound advisor advice? (I know that would seem a stretch to many ;-)) There does seem to be valid reason to look at the program, if for no other reason than the very public examples like the Disney fiasco.

    However, your bottom-line is the same as mine. I need to be better informed about this issue before forming an opinion too.

    GA

    1. hard sun profile image85
      hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      I agree that there does seem to be valid reason to look at the H1 lottery program, and the media could be looking at that more closely. However, I don't blame the "enemy of the people" for not giving Trump any benefit of any doubt on anything. I think the media begged Trump for a chance to give him some fairness at the beginning of his term and Trump told them to kiss off as that isn't part of his political strategy. I digress again though.

      As far as H1s, I do think this is something Trump could make progress on if he could listen to advisers and perhaps keep personal sentiments about people from certain backgrounds out of the equation.

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    Onusonusposted 17 months ago

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    Onusonusposted 17 months ago

    "You just pay for it" -AOC actually.
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    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      I agree with the sentiment here. How does one pay for these things. Trump appears not to have answers either and doesn’t care.

      It would seem that deficits only matter to the party not in power.

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Why would you bring Trump into this particular point? What does he have to do with a criticism of a Sanders' proposal?

        GA

      2. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Sadly, I would agree with that.  Conservatives used to be concerned about spending, but not longer.  Not for quite a few years, in fact.

        1. hard sun profile image85
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          What do you think happened to the "Tea Party" movement? . I look at the Tea Party website now and see NOTHING about government spending. https://www.teaparty.org/

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I see the entire nation, all parties, shifting left from what they were.  And part of that is a declining concern about budgets and spending; all parties appear (to me) to be moving towards more government and more spending.

            1. hard sun profile image85
              hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Welp. In this context especially, it's difficult to argue with you. I also think maybe the corporate interests, which were always involved to an extent, took over even more. Also, in keeping with your reasoning, it seems like Trump kind of helped push the Republicans over the edge on this. I mean, prior to Trump, we still had people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, who at least  gave the deficit lip service.

  17. hard sun profile image85
    hard sunposted 17 months ago

    Oh that's Dennis Kusinich. I think they are both from Ohio and Dennis was once homeless. It's too early for trying to make jokes. I gotta get to work.

 
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