How Well/Badly Do You Think Your Government is Handling Covid Crisis?
UK Covid Christmas Week Break
I see reports on CNN that many Americans are going to throw caution to the wind and celebrate ‘Thanks Giving’ with family and friends; in spite of warnings from the Authorities that people should not travel this week for ‘Thanks Giving’ and that the celebrations should be kept to just the immediate family, to prevent a ‘super spreader’ spike in what is already an epidemic that’s spiralling out of control in the USA.
Of course, in the UK we don’t have ‘Thanks Giving’, and with the UK having been in its 2nd national lockdown since the beginning of November (which ends on the 2nd December) all the early signs indicate that the pandemic is coming under control again.
However, ever since July Boris (UK Prime Minister) has had his heart and mind set on giving Brits a ‘Christmas Break’ from the pandemic?
To this end, yesterday (24th Nov) Boris held discussions with the leaders of the other three nations of the UK to agree on a UK wide uniform policy of how to give a ‘Good Christmas’ (as Boris puts it).
All week, in to the lead up to this meeting, Government Ministers have been stressing the importance of Christmas to Brits, as a ‘national holiday’; repeatedly using the phrase “all faiths, and none”, to stress how important Christmas is to everyone in the UK regardless to whether they are Christians or not, including atheists.
Quite naturally the Scientific Advisors to the Government (who Boris normally listens to when making Covid-19 related policy) are advising against easing the restrictions over Christmas, because it will lead to a third spike in new cases.
Nevertheless, yesterday, Boris and the other three leaders of the four nations of the UK agreed on a common policy to ease the restrictions for Christmas week, as follows:
Official Government Statement Released by the Four Nations of the UK:-
• Travel restrictions across the four administrations and between tiers will be lifted to provide a window for households to come together between the 23rd and 27th of December.
• Up to three households can form an exclusive ‘bubble’ to meet at home during this period. When a bubble is formed it is fixed, and must not be changed or extended further at any point.
• Each Christmas bubble can meet at home, at a place of worship or an outdoor public place, but existing, more restrictive rules on hospitality and meeting in other venues will be maintained throughout this period.It would be interesting to know how these "bubbles" are going to be enforced. Will police take names and ID's of everyone they see in a group, verifying that they aren't in a different bubble tonight or tomorrow? Will they knock on every door in town, counting the people inside? Will addresses be verified to ensure only 3 households are in a bubble (what about a person with 3 children, all adult, living locally?) Will punishments be issued for violations or just a "Bad Boy!" slap on the wrist?
Good questions; and I know where you’re coming from:-
There are always people in any country who flouts the rules; fortunately in the UK it’s a small minority. Ever since the first lockdown in March the vast majority of Brits have in general been surprisingly compliant with the Rules and supportive of the Governments in respect to the pandemic.
So in respect to the pandemic, a level of trust between the four Governments of the UK and their peoples has been built; and strengthened by the Governments daily ‘Address to the Nation’ e.g. Nicola Sturgeon (Prime Minister of Scotland) gives her daily ‘national speech’ to the Scottish people around 2pm daily, and Boris Johnson (UK Prime Minster) gives his daily speech to the nation about the pandemic around 5pm (TV Prime Time).
That being said, for those who do flout the law, Boris has given the police ‘extra powers’, with the army as back-up if ever required; and the maximum penalty for flouting Covid-laws is £10,000 ($13,000) e.g. the penalty for not wearing a mask is £200 ($270) for first offence, doubling for each subsequent offence. Flouting covid laws is a criminal offence, which leaves you with a criminal record if you are given a fine, and prison if you don’t pay the fine.
The maximum penalty for organising a house party of more than 30 people, or for not self-isolating for 14 days after returning from another county where the infection rates are high, is £10,000 (for Illegal house parties of more than 6 people but less than 30 people, then the penalty is less). With regard to people who should self-isolate because they've travelled from a high risk country, the Government recently passed laws that allows the police to access the ‘test & trace’ database specifically so that the police can make spot-checks on those who should be in ‘self-isolation’ after travelling from another country; and statistically the police do spot-check 20% of travellers who should be in self-isolation, and issue fines up to £10,000 for violations of the law.
Likewise, during the current lockdown the police have been patrolling the English/Welsh border to prevent non-essential travel from England to Wales.
Welsh Police Fine Visitors From England: https://youtu.be/4iSfCqw_LmU
So, as you quite rightly point out, it’s impossible to know whether a bubble is legal or not, but it is mainly done on ‘trust’, and (as shown over the past eight months) most Brits can be trusted to stick to the rules.
However, the police will be kept busy over Christmas; looking for obvious signs of the rules being flouted e.g. noisy house parties with large gatherings: And the police will break them up and issue a stiff penalty of up to £10,000 to the householder. Albeit, for minor digressions where people express ignorance and are apologetic, then the police are more mindful to just ‘give a slap on the wrist’.Actually a very good question. How do you enforce Corona rules?
Already the "simple" tracing of contacts is overloading the system. How to enforce rules in the private sphere?
I would think if pressure (fear) is high enough, people will protect themselves. At least for a short period of time. The issue is that we are almost a year in the pandemic and people get used to it, neglect rules.
What is even more hurting in obeying guidelines and rules: Inconsistency.
In Germany we have a fierce discussion going on, why schools are kept open with 20 kids in a 70 sqm classroom, but for shops and business only 1 client per 20 sqm is allowed. You get my point?
In the beginning of the pandemic, when maskwearing was first commanded in shops, many clients wore their masks more like a dresscode. Nose free, mask hanging around the neck...
This has changed. While people are complaining about constraints more than in March, today nobody is treating maskwearing as casual wear any more. Imho has to do with selfdisciplining out of fear.All good questions.
One facet about British People is that in general the British haven't become complacent, and still take the pandemic seriously.
As regards tracing, although the UK Government struggled with test and tracing in the early months; with the ever increasing use of the 10 minute rapid tests, test and tracing in the UK has been stepped up considerably in recent weeks. So that we are now doing more test and tracing than any other European country; and in the past week, due to a minor procedural tweak the NHS test & trace teams have increased their capacity to contact people who have been in close contact with infected people from around 60% to near the target of 80%.
As regards enforcing the covid laws, as it is illegal to gather in groups of more than six in the UK, the police will and do target any group larger than six in public, and in the private sphere, large parties do tend to make a lot of noise, and thus attract the attention of the police.
US records 2,300 COVID-19 deaths as pandemic rises with holidays
Yeah - the worldometer statistics and graphs are a real treat for laymen like us.
What is striking is the direct correlation between active cases and daily/weekly deaths. This is almost a constant factor, no matter US, France, Italy, Germany. Knowing this, you can reverse compute the active cases for the UK. Should be some 700.000 by now (the UK doesn´t publish the number of active cases).
Most of Western Europe have flattened the active case count. But at a very high level, much higher than with the first wave in March/April.
The US have doubled the active case count within the month of November. Daily deaths is trailing directly behind. So numbers will double in December compared to October/November. This leads to some 70.000 deaths in Dec. alone and Nov. is not over. I don´t even consider the Thanksgiving event.
The year 2020 will look very sad for many people on our planet. Until today some 3.7 million passed away in the US (natural mortality). The current Covid19 adds at least 265 k and that is 7%, even if we account for regular flu season and summer heat wave deaths. Overall this has direct implications for life expectancy of the elderly.
Until we have vaccines available, the only way to reduce infections is to follow distancing and mask wearing guidelines.Yep, as you said, I don’t know how many active cases there are in the UK; but currently (26th Nov) in the UK there are 16,341 Covid-19 patients in hospitals, and falling by the day.
For comparison, there are currently 90,481 Americans in hospital with Covid-19 in the USA, and rising by the day.
Important, as there is also a direct correlation between hospitalisation and deaths, with the latter lagging behind the former by a few weeks.
See the two charts below (the 1st chart is hospitalisations in the UK since March, and the 2nd chart is hospitalisations in the USA over the same time period):-
That's just it, the true US figures are currently unknown, as a dollar figure has been attributed to treating individuals with Covid-19. A hospital receives $13,000.00 for identifying a patient as Covid-19 infected on their chart, and another $39,000.00 for actually treating them for Covid-19.
That any incentive to tell truth has gone out the window, THAT, is a catastrophe--far more than the obviously tainted figures. This would create a circumstance where it's compelling to label any potentially dying individual as Covid-19 infected and treat them as such.
What I'd like to see, is how many deaths are there attributed to other causes during the same period, and if numbers typical to them have decreased, increased, or stayed much the same as in previous years.I hope that when you judge the true nature of Covid, you are looking at British and European figures too. In those countries, hospitals are not paid any extra for having covid cases, so there's no incentive to over- or under-report.
Most people were focussing on the death toll at first, but now hospitals have scaled up, the % death rate is much lower. Scientists are far more worried now about the long-term health implications. Even people who catch a mild case have been shown to have damage to their heart, kidneys, lungs or brain. With the Spanish flu, there was an explosion in chronic health problems a few years down the track, and they're anticipating the same will happen with Covid.As of yet I haven't had time to look. I have hence compared only to the madness I see going on here in Canada around me. I wrote a six paragraph response earlier, and am hesitant to begin again.
To abridge though, here in my province we had one live Covid-19 case left, so the government in theory, "opened things up again," or at least they said they did--things operated the same, so who knows what they actually meant. But some people probably had opportunity to visit more, that's about it.
So within the next months, figures showed so many new Covid-19 cases, that it defied reality... it is still like that and cannot be true. If it was in fact true, then why is it that they believe that locking everything down again, will resolve? NO. It did not resolve the problem before, so why would it now?
Do they think that humanity will survive--beyond free will now for many such as myself, under lockdown for indefinite times? Regardless of who thinks what, this is not living, it is insanity, mass hysteria and stupidity, and sheer madness in the living of it.
Some may think this is living, but I'd rather experience an actual and even rather painful death, than living this way. It's very unhealthy.By stupidity, I meant that believing the many should suffer for the few in this sense, is stupid. Since when have health conditions been prevented rather than cured, but in the cases of actual pandemics, where multiple deaths per thousands were being documented? This is not like that.
I did the breakdown on the US chart shown earlier, and it's a really small figure percentage-wise. I'd quote it but did not write it down. I'd gladly figure it out again if anyone wants to see it.You say the increase in cases cannot be true - but did you ever learn about "exponential growth" in school? That's how Covid spreads, far far more quickly than any other virus. The number of infected people doubles every 2 or 3 days. If you do the maths, you'll see that it doesn't take long to get to hundreds of infections.
Recently, we had one person in Adelaide who caught the virus. By the time she knew she was sick, she had infected 26 other people, including all her family, the guy at her local pizza store, and some of his customers. That's all within the space of a week or so.
She worked in hotel quarantine, so when she got sick, she got tested. Can you imagine if she'd decided she just had a sniffle, and continued going about her daily life? How many more people would she have infected? And how many of those 26 people would have infected another 26 people each?
I know it's tough in quarantine. I live in Melbourne where we had one of the longest lockdowns in the world. Frankly, I salute our state premier, who refused to lift the lockdown in spite of pressure from all sides. It meant a few more weeks of pain, but now we have zero cases. If we'd come out of lockdown while there were still live cases, as you did, I think we'd be back in trouble again.No, it still doesn't compute. Because when case numbers in theory were far higher, the cases were not spreading like that--schools or anywhere else. I know in my heart of hearts that with the lack of logic I see, the lack of solid thinking and solid action, not allowing the good people who voted those asshats in, their free will to LIVE, that when they get the figures here down to 0, rather than the one (1) they had live cases down to, they will try to drag the populace through this nightmare again.
I await the day to come, because at some point people will wake up and recognize the plan. I say it again--these figures cannot be real, as the whole situation lacks logic.
Just today they appointed a local man, a really nasty, loose cannon of a man, to hand out tickets to very small local rural businesses, for selling non essential items. There have been only two local cases of Covid-19 since day one. This is a prime example of preying upon those having trouble with surviving.
It would appear that such a person was chosen because they have no heart--they'll be fining anyone and everyone, the $2400.00 fine they are to hand out.I want to talk REAL figures. Earlier on somene posted a chart, that said that over Thanksgiving that the US Covid-19 death toll was 2,300 per day.
They drop numbers like that nowadays as if they were meant to slay us. The real problem is how people have forgotten how to do basic math. How many deaths is that per thousand? per ten thousand? that's right...not many at all, and certainly not worth making every individual in every nation, stay home over if it's a typical rate across the board.
Also, I have yet to see how other types of death stats have been affected, as Covid ones so sharply rose. As soon as able, I intend to look at that.
UPDATE: I looked around and cannot find year to year data on US deaths by category and year, that includes 2019 in whole. If anyone can, please show me, please and thank you.The message: 2.300 deaths today - is not a statistics. This is merely a number that has to be put into relation to another number, the number of deaths caused by all causes on any given day. To get this figure, you only have to look up average life expectancy from whatever source you want. Be it in the US 78 or 80 or 81 years, does not really matter.
From a population of 330 Million every day have to die (from all causes): 330.000.000 / 80 years / 365 days/year = 11.300 people.
Put the 2.300 on one recent day into the context of daily deaths derieved from life expectancy and you get for that recent day 20%. That is very, very significant and you don´t need any statistics except the statical value for life expectancy. But i think that number is not disputed.
This percentage has changed over time during the pandemic. In summer it was lower, but never got below 5% (7 day rolling average in the US). This is why the US has accumulated so many deaths in the 10 months of the pandemic.
So why are you minimizing the pandemic? I don´t quite understand.
By the way:
All sources for Covid19 numbers may differ a little in absolute numbers, but for day to day change they are all very consistent. With sources i mean Johns Hopkins, worldometer, ourworldindata, German Robert Koch Institute, just to mention a few.You can play those numbers into 20%? I don't want to know how, but would love to see your figures, just to see how you pulled it off. No 20% of anyone or anything, is dying from the Thing. You'd make a great politician, IF, you can explain what you are stating. Lol.
2300 / 11300 = some 20%. Elementary maths.
But may be i shouldn´t respond to your comment. Your seem to be ..trolling..You partially answered the question, but in no coherent way, then turned it around to look as if I may be the problem. Let's look at the facts.
Run the figures by with an explanantion. So how are you saying that 20% even applies? Anyone knows how to calculate percentages. You say that 20% of a group is dying, and that is an alarmist statement. I am trying to separate truth from people just saying. Please, clearly explain how 20% of anyone is dying. I cannot see it, no matter how you slice it.
So far all you have said is how to establish percentage. I just found where you tried to explain it earlier, but it doesn't make sense. I am going to look at figures relative to age now.Never mind. I can't believe I almost fell for your shell shuffling. You are talking about 20% of those dying, which is 20% of one in over 10,000. I rest my case. By the way, what's with the insults?
One more thing--would you mind explaining, lol, what you meant in saying that ASYMPTOMATIC COVID-19 DEATHS, would raise the death rate to .28%? That's absolute gobbledygook. Also, would that take into account (lol) that the health system there is alread incentivized to label people and treat as Covid-19?
I ask all to cease with the insults. I am not insulting anyone... unless you choose to believe that any eyeball rolling I expressed targets you personally, then that's your issue, not mine.
This is what society has been trained to do--stand to those who still see truth. It is ludicrous. I am not the only one, but I am one of few still with the guts to say that the figures are there, right under your eyes.
I don´t know, what thruth you are looking for. Just look at developments in other countries. As i tried to point out, worldwide it is always same structure, always same correlation between active cases and daily/weekly corona attributed death counts.
And in other countries you don´t have these anecdotes about hospitals getting extra pay for corona patients.
F.e. in Germany it is the other way around. Because of higher load with Covid patients, hospitals are forced to keep bed capacity reserved for Covid. This reduces business for scheduled surgery and overall bed capacity. So German hospitals have the tendency to keep Covid count low. But again - same situation in G. like in the US.
The excess death statistics of the CDC may be flawed with undercounting natural mortality (i mentioned that in a previous comment in this thread), however the overall excess deaths reporting is some 20% higher in 2020 than the Johns Hopkins Covid counting.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi … deaths.htm
For all those who believe in anecdotes:
We had a joke in the 80ties about new gadgets: At that time the Sony Walkman became popular. As it was unusual to see kids with headsets running around, some used to tease: This phenomenom will go away by selective evolution. All those kids with walkman, not concentrating on car traffic, will get run over - thus the problem solves itself.
May be it will be the same with Covid denying people. They get infected and die with higher probability than those who take the pandemic seriously. Just mocking...
UPDATE (27th Nov)
The UK Government applied to the UK Independent Regularity Authorities yesterday, the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) for Approval of the 'Oxford University' Covid-19 vaccine; and if approved, means that the UK can start vaccinations within weeks.Update (2) 27th Nov
The 'R' value for the UK has finally fallen below '1'; it now stands at 0.9 & 1.0Update Germany 29th Nov:
Contact restrictions (now max. 5 adults, children don´t count) extended until Dec. 20th. Travel and accomodation only allowed for business. Restaurants, fitness studios, theaters, cinemas .. remain closed.
Schools, kindergarten remain open, but with half classroom filling, whatever that means.
A lot more is regulated on state and regional level.
Population is still calm, however small businesses are really struggling now. Government aid is announced, but bureaucracy is slow.
I am getting personally involved now, because our state seeks for some 60 vaccination centers to be established until January and i am negotiating to let a large office building to medical services. Contract period: 1 year.
A recent study on aerosol transmission is published. https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/21/8114
My take aways from the study:
- All protective measures with plexiglass shields are moreless useless.
- classrooms are really dangerous if not ventilated frequently.
- Choir singing holds very high transmission probability.
- Restaurants have only 50% transmission chance compared to classrooms/choir singing.
- while masks reduce the transmission/spreading, only FFP2 do the real prevention.
The study is only on aerosol transmission. Nothing is said about how much masks reduce the virus load inhaled to enable the immune system to cope with infections from the very beginning.Yep, very similar in UK to what you describe for Germany. Our national lockdown ends on 2nd December, and is due to be replaced by Regional lockdowns from 2nd December until further notice (except for five days over Christmas week when restrictions will be temporally lifted across the whole UK).
Boris Johnson (UK Prime Minster) is putting 99% of the English population under local lockdowns, as from 2nd December, with the lockdowns being reviewed every two weeks until Easter.
The only part of England that will not be in lockdown come 2nd December is Cornwall, Isle of Silly and the Isle of Wight (less than 1% of the population). Wales and Northern Ireland are to remain in lockdown, and parts of Scotland remain under local lockdowns.
One UK Covid Law which would make Americans shudder, is that in the UK it is now a ‘Criminal Offence’ for more than two people to gather together to ‘protest’, with maximum penalty of £10,000 for breaking the law. As three unfortunate protesters found out yesterday, when they were the first three to arrive at a protest in London, and were immediately arrested when over 50 police officers pounced on them. By the end of the afternoon, although less than a 1,000 protesters (from across the whole of the UK) turned up a total of 155 of the protesters were arrested for breaking the law of being in a group of more than 2 people to protest.
Under the UK Covid Laws, the police do have the power to call upon the Army if required; but that powered hasn’t yet been exercised.
On a positive side, the roll out of the rapid-mass-testing, which gives the results within 10 minutes, which is free to the public, albeit requires assistance from the Army to Administer e.g. the NHS don’t have the resources for such a large scale operation, is going well. In fact, so well, that the UK Government has placed an order for 2 billion kits (enough to test the entire UK population 30 times over), with the British manufacturer who won the contract (following successful trials in October).
• Positive Covid-19 results after mass testing pilot scheme in Wales (22nd Nov): https://youtu.be/iTJ4XTeYdv8
• Boris Johnson Says U.K. Plans 'Massive Expansion' of Rapid Covid-19 Tests (2nd Nov) https://youtu.be/Brxg4Oo6C1k
Today (Wednesday 2nd December), the Regulatory Authority, MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) in the UK approved the use of the Pfizer vaccines; the 1st country in the world to do so.
The vaccine will start being rolled out in the UK by the NHS (National Health Service) as from Monday 7th December.Life in Australia is pretty much back to normal. State borders are opening and there’s no need to wear masks any more. Schools are open and we no longer socially distance the way we did in supermarkets etc, although potential Super Spreader events including large Xmas gatherings are still discouraged.
Grateful to the Federal Govt for providing economic stimulus payments the entire time.
Yes, businesses suffered due to lockdowns, and families’suffered’ during lockdowns. But very few Australians lost their lives due to Covid!
There’s talk of a vaccine being produced in Australia in about a month.
Don’t know how long it will take for things to really return to normal (particularly for businesses relying on tourism), but Australians for the most part are happy to keep making the effort to keep Covid numbers down. Save the lives. Worry about finances later.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-a … se-numbersLTM, thanks for the update, and the link that provide additional covid-19 update about other countries. Every country share both a negative and positive aspect of the pandemib to an extend. Happy that Australia has discover a vaccine.
Australia has not discovered a vaccine. We have placed orders for the same vaccines which the UK and the US will be using.
The Australian government has said it will not be rushing to issue the vaccine like the UK and the US have. Because we have so few cases, we can afford to wait a few months, and see whether there are any problems or unexpected side effects when the UK and US vaccine programs roll out.Hi Marisa. Yes, we are producing vaccines. (I just posted details on the main thread.)
We’ll have access in Australia to four different vaccines from four different producers, including CSL.
I just hope all these new vaccines prove to be safe and don’t create a whole new set of problems.
Widespread use of antibiotics created mutations known as ‘superbugs’. Nobody knows yet what kind of Covid mutations might evolve.
Given the devastation throughout the world, I can see why vaccines are being rushed. Can’t help but worry though.MIEBAKAGH57 said " Happy that Australia has discover a vaccine", and I was just correcting that.
We have been producing vaccines for a while, but the government has said they won't be rolled out till next year, as they're going to wait for further data. The massive rollout in the US and the UK will no doubt provide a lot of such data for them to look at!
Covid has already mutated many times but so far, the nature of all the mutations is that the vaccine remains effective. In that sense, it's like cholera or polio, where although it's mutating all the time, the same vaccine continues to work. Not like flu, which mutates in a different way and requires a new vaccine every time.
(I'm sure you're aware that antibiotics treat bacteria, not viruses, and the superbugs are bacterial).Marisa. I guess you haven’t heard, University of Qld has ‘discovered’ one.
It is one of the multiple vaccines the Australian government hopes we’ll be using.
Yes, I’m aware of the difference between viral and bacterial treatments and mutations. But Covid-19 is brand new and already mutating. Given that it is a virus (like the flu is) and, as you point out, flu virus mutates so effectively it requires a new vaccine every time, I fear we have no way of knowing just how ‘clever’ one year’s mutations may be if exposed to all four vaccines in a population in one region, like Sydney for instance.
Of course I’m hoping all will be well, but there was never any discussion about the creation of Superbug bacteria until doctors came face to face with it.
Hopefully we never experience a Super-covid virus. If so, we might be wishing we’d used one vaccine at a time.I think you're misunderstanding how vaccines work.
Supebugs are caused because we use antibiotics to kill off the bacteria. The bacteria mutates as a response to that attack.
Vaccines do not attack. They prevent. Flu does not mutate because of the vaccine, flu is just one of those viruses that mutates constantly and always has, right back to beyond the Spanish flu, before vaccines were even thought of.
Just look at polio, cholera, smallpox, and other viruses which have been vaccinated against for decades. They have not mutated into superviruses, have they?
I just wrote one huge response to this thread. In retrospect, maybe it's good that a computer fluke deleted the whole six paragraph thing. The short version--I am one who believes that the only thing that should be done, is to treat those who wish to have treatment, and to confine only those who want that.
The White House coronavirus task force is issuing a dire warning to states, writing that given the already rampant spread of the virus across the U.S., a further surge in cases following Thanksgiving threatens to overwhelm the health care system and compromise patient care.
“We are in a very dangerous place due to the current, extremely high COVID baseline and limited hospital capacity; a further post-Thanksgiving surge will compromise COVID patient care, as well as medical care overall,” reads the White House report sent to states and obtained by The Hill.Here’s the news about Australia’s vaccine strategy. I’ll paste some of the text, plus links to the full stories.
“Australia will start manufacturing a COVID-19 vaccine this month if all goes to plan, according to Health Minister Greg Hunt.
Mr Hunt revealed that the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine will likely begin production by vaccine manufacturer CSL in November.
He said the government is also angling to buy two additional COVID-19 vaccines.
That means Australians will be able to access four types of vaccines — the two newly acquired ones, as well as Oxford’s AstraZeneca vaccine and the vaccine the University of Queensland is working on.
“The expectation is that everybody who sought vaccination would be vaccinated well within 2021,” Hunt told The Herald Sun.
He said this would allow Australia to open up its international borders.
“Our goal is to have the borders open, subject to vaccination and health advice, by the end of 2021,” he said.“
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir … ecdf4f6b40
Apparently we began local production of a vaccine in November.
“ CSL will start producing the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine candidate at its advanced manufacturing facility in Victoria from Monday.”
https://au.news.yahoo.com/more-vic-easi … ccounter=1
I’m very grateful to live in Australia. Sad the rest of the world is not in such a positive position.- Marisa Writesposted 4 years ago
0Most countries keep statistics on their normal death rates per annum, which are remarkably consistent from year to year. So you can compare the 2020 statistics with previous years easily.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
But like I said, it is not about the death rates. It's about the resulting chronic health conditions that will affect the millions of people who don't die. Some people get Covid in their brain (they lose their sense of smell) and we've already seen that triggering clinical depression. In Spanish flu, the same type of infection led to encephalitis lethergica (not straight away, but years later). Some people get the infection in their lungs and will end up with something like COPD. Some people are left with a weak heart.
Of course, you have to make your own decision. Personally, I would rather find a way to endure several months of isolation, than risk spending the rest of my life in misery with a chronic health condition. But each to their own. Sure, and I agree totally that we should be allowed to freely choose. Thanks for the link, but it wasn't excess mortality relative to Covid-19 that I wanted to see, but the more traditional way of all categories of death, and per year.
One more thing--I don't believe that altruism is a virtue. I do not believe that to totally subscribe to that it is, is an ultimate virtue. I believe that some are meant to have that trait by nature, and others are not. And when we've gotten to a point in history where an anomalous amount have a proneness towards it, it's an example of mind conditioning. I proudly state that I am concerned no more about the lives of others outside of the lives of my family and myself, than I ever was before.
I do not wish for anyone to suffer, but when a condition such as Covid-19 has been manufactured, yes, manufactured--to have devastating results, that were meant to affect ME and others like me, if for that I am going to sacrifice the quality of my life and confine myself at home--Why?That article has links to all the normal excess deaths data.
I don't know why you think I'm appealing to your altruism. I'm suggesting that you might wish to protect yourself because you could end up one of those millions with long-term health damage. The young are affected as much as the old.That’s seems to be one of the big differences between the USA & UK: In that in the USA too many Americans have the selfish attitude that they “should be allowed to freely choose”; which invariably only serves to spread the virus further, killing and maiming even more Americans in their hundreds of thousands.
You say you don’t wish for anyone to suffer, but (notwithstanding the damage done by the Trump Administration) it’s for the very fact that so many Americans ignore the medical & scientific advice that the pandemic is so rampant in the USA, killing Americans in their thousands by the day e.g. precisely because too many Americans don’t wear masks, don’t social distance, and don’t isolate when they should.
In contrast, since 5th November the UK has been in near full economic and social lockdown until further notice (which may be until at least the 2nd Feb); and in the UK breaking the covid-laws is a criminal offence, with a maximum penalty of £10,000 ($13,000) for serious offences under the covid-laws e.g. house party of more than 30 people, or not self-isolating for 14 days after travelling back from another country. Even for not just wearing a mask in the UK it’s a £200 ($270) fine for a 1st offence, and doubling for each subsequent offence.
Yet, I much prefer the current UK draconian covid-law to the USA’s laissez-faire attitudes simply because it protects me and others, and saves countless lives.
Ever since the start of the first UK lockdown on 23rd March I and my family have only been out ‘socially’ just twice; and both occasions was during the summer months when restrictions were relaxed because covid related deaths were almost in single figures.
However, as Marisa says “I’d much rather endure several months of isolation, than risk spending the rest of my life in misery with a chronic health condition”. The more people isolate in the UK the quicker we bring the infection rate down, and the more lives we save; and it’s only a few more months now before the vaccines will allow life to return to normal in the UK, so not long to wait now.
Besides, apart from not being able to see friends, and other family members, this year, the isolation hasn’t been an endurance; I and my family have kept ourselves busy at home, so we haven’t got bored e.g. I’ve been able to do plenty of DIY & Gardening, while my wife has focused on her hobbies, including dabbling with ‘oil painting’, and our son (a freelance professional photographer) has kept himself busy at home with photography as a hobby, until he’s legally entitled to work again (which may not be until next year).
But the main thing is, we and our family and friends are all ‘safe’ at home, and we can look forward to all meeting up again next spring; which will soon come.I often wish there was a "like" button on these forums.
"That’s seems to be one of the big differences between the USA & UK: In that in the USA too many Americans have the selfish attitude that they “should be allowed to freely choose”; which invariably only serves to spread the virus further, killing and maiming even more Americans in their hundreds of thousands."
How do you account for the UK doing so much worse than the US? We have 5 times the population of the UK and yesterday the UK had more deaths than the US per population ratio.
Cases Deaths per million
US 844
UK 877
Total testing per million
US 602,767
UK 647,589
why such a large death rate in the UK?
Dec 2 death toll US -- 2833
Dec 2 death toll UK 16,169 5x 16,169 = 3240
This would seem COVID is very much out of control in the UK as it is in the US, and many other countries.
Population matters...This is the mentality that will ensure, that next spring we are as cooped up like dogs in cages, that we are today. The best solution would be to let the disease run it's course. It would be over, and people would still be living rather than slowly dying.
It bothers me when people cannot perform the simple mathematics, and do the simple research and analyze, in a way that makes it clear we are being manipulated... people cannot understand until they open their minds. I am leaving this thread. Sigh.Yes, mathematics must be taken into consideration, population, and sheer geographics come into play with Virus spread. And yes the science as so many keep screaming about these days. I live in Michigan a state where the mitigations have been very strict and followed due to the threat of arrest. To make my comment short --- We have spiked so badly it would make one's head spin. I had left this thread but thought I
would check-in. Sorry I did...Same here, checked in, and am sorry about it. But you raised an important point--Michigan is very strict, and even so it runs rampant. Hence isolation is not any valid solution. This goes without saying though.
Neither does sanitizing hands, neither does masks. Neither does the US, paying off duty cops to break windows on closed stores prior to inciting riots. Neither does them staging the George Floyd incident... and so on ad infinitum
Above all though I feel compelled to repeat-for a man embellished disease, whose origins point to both North American governments, I will not bend. I will not support them to depopulate me and my brethren."Neither does the US, paying off duty cops to break windows on closed stores prior to inciting riots."
Now that's a most interesting claim. Is the proof to be found in facebook memes or has there been a "guilty" verdict in a court somewhere?
Sharlee, what you need to do is look at when those deaths occurred, what is happening now, and what the trends are:-
To answer your question “Why such a large death rate in the UK?” Two thirds of those deaths occurred during first two months of the pandemic (March/April) because our Government was slow in introducing the lockdown.
• In the UK during the summer months the pandemic was under control with the death rate just above single digits.
• The UK has had just two waves, the 1st wave in March/April, and the 2nd wave now, which started in October, and has already peaked and is already falling.
In contrast, in the USA, the pandemic has never been contained, so you had a 2nd wave during the summer, with over 1,000 deaths per day, and now you’re in your third (and most deadly) wave.
One thing you didn’t do was to tick the ‘7-day moving average’ box on the charts you looked at; because if you did you will have noticed that both the ‘Daily New Cases’ & ‘Daily Deaths’ in the USA are rising exponentially e.g. over the coming weeks the death toll in the USA is set to rise sharply.
While, if you look at the graphs, both ‘Daily New Cases’ & ‘Daily Deaths’ in the UK have now peaked, and are on the decline. For example 414 deaths in the UK yesterday (3rd Dec), compared to 2,918 in the USA; which taking population size into account meant that there was 33% more deaths per head of population in the USA yesterday than the UK.
Testing
As regards the figures for “Total testing per million” which you quote; I think you are mistaking that for “Total Cases per million”:-
• Testing is a good think; the more tests done the more asymptomatic people can be traced and isolated; reducing the spread of the virus.
• Whereas ‘Cases’ is a bad thing, the higher the number of ‘cases’, ultimately the higher the death toll.
As you quite rightly point out, the UK has now done more testing per million of population than the USA, and that is because the UK is one of the few countries outside of China (if not the only country) who are now doing mass-testing of whole cities and communities.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Hospitalisation
Hospitalisation of covid-19 patients is a best indicator of how bad things really are, and what deaths to expect over the coming month.
Currently, as per charts below, there are:-
• 100,667 Americans in hospital with Covid-19, and rising sharply by the day; far worse than your previous two waves.
• 15,236 Brits in hospital with Covid-19, falling by the day, and not as severe as our first wave in March/April.
So as there is always about a three weeks lag between hospitalisation and deaths; the charts below paint a grim picture that deaths in the USA are going to rise exponentially in the coming weeks; while in the UK the death rate is going to fall.
The 1st Chart is hospitalisations in the USA:
The 2nd Chart is hospitalisations in the UK:
OMG. Covid-19 death stats in the US for Wednesday, over 3,000!
In one day! That’s more than deaths on 9/11.
Yet the White House is planning Xmas parties ... one with 900 people. And Trump keeps pretending he didn’t get soundly beaten by Biden. I feel for all those Americans who must be so frustrated and disappointed by how the Covid crisis has been mishandled over there.
I feel particularly sorry for the health care workers. They’ve been on the frontline for months, with no end in sight.
Anyone who hasn’t seen the before and after photos of Kathryn, ICU nurse in Tennessee should take a look. I’ll add links for how her story has been reported in the UK and Australian media.
They are both worth looking at because they expand the story in different ways.
The Aussie newspaper has a video at the top featuring an Australian nurse who makes really good sense. Everyone should listen to her.
https://m.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/new … o/4147834/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/arti … rkers.htmlTo be taken into account--as previously mentioned, the US hospital system is incentivized to mislabel, in paying large amounts for labeling/treatment of Covid-19 patients.
...and it's already been pointed out to you that in Europe, where there is no incentivizing, it's the same. So your theory doesn't work.
As for people with closed minds - pot kettle black, I'm afraid to say. You seem determined to pick and choose the facts that suit what you want to do.
And by the way, I am shocked by your "proud" statement that you only care about yourself and your family and couldn't care less about anyone else. What a selfish little princess you are.
The numbers mislead due to the huge US population. The same number broken down to percentage, is .00096%. So to work that number by the US population, that, as a perspective, is one person in 10,417 dying. This is one person dying, NOT one person affected within that huge amount of people. People need to wake up and see this.
During the working of these figures I received numerological repeats, that told me that this is the price for beating so hard on Mother Earth and her family, which is nature--and that there is more to come. Then I received an actual transmission, that fracking and 5G, are the hugest offenses.You can’t measure the mortality rate by just dividing the number of deaths by the size of the total population; you have to divide the total number of deaths by the total number of people who contracted Covid-19:
• When including Asymptomatic into the calculation, the mortality rate is closer to 0.28%.
• 99% of covid-19 deaths have been in those over the age of 55, and those (of all ages) who have underlying health conditions, including diabetes, obesity and asthma.
0.28% mortality may not sound high to you, but the more people who become infected the higher the death toll, and with such a huge population as in the USA, that 0.28% would ultimately translate into millions of deaths if the virus was allowed to continue unabated e.g. on current projections the death toll in the USA will be approaching half a million by the time vaccines start stemming the tide of the spread of the virus.
But it’s not just the mortality rate, far more people, including people of all ages who only get mild symptoms, suffer long term health issues, because the virus doesn’t just attack the lungs, it attacks every major organ in the body; the condition being known as ‘covid long haulers’.
As regards fracking, FYI, the UK Conservative (Capitalist) Government have prevented fracking from being commercially viable in England & Wales (hence no fracking here); and the Scottish (Socialist) Government has banned fracking completely in Scotland.Of course we need primarily to know the percentage of active cases, but no one is discussing that. I was responding to a statement about how many deaths.
Deaths is the end result, not an ongoing problem in and of itself, other than it being a concern to the family of the deceased. Active cases are the issue. Still, the end result, death, is VERY LOW. Regardless of the spin people put on active cases, the death toll is very low per capita, even in the height of this.
You talk as if stringency in mask wearing and so on is a good thing in your eyes. Some speak as if they believe this fuss and bother--masks, social distancing, ongoing hand sanitizing is good for them. The blind effect has taken a drastic toll on the common sense of the average human being.
They are making us more physically vulnerable to the disease! Social distancing, masks, constant disinfectation; exactly as was planned--OF COURSE, there are more cases. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING! They are succeeding! Our immune systems are not meant to have nothing to stand up against, and will weaken immensely. They know this--YOU know this.
For those unfamiliar with the term--when a situation that the mind cannot bear occurs, or when a person is faced with a truth the mind cannot bear, the mind pulls down a blind of falsity, imposes an acceptable reality over it. This is what people are doing, as they feel they cannot create change.
Yes, some will suffer due to exposure, due to the nature of the Thing, some will have symptoms long term. However, in the past people have traditionally not been stripped of their rights and freedoms, to prevent one person in over 10,000 from dying.
If people want to believe this is okay, want to believe that after it's all over that rights will be magickally restored, want to have faith in a government that stages false flag events during the height of this Thing, that's their choice.
Where I live right now, in Canada, it's sheer and utter madness. Essential workers must work, others cannot. Everyone can shop, they can get mail and do such kind of errands, but must wear masks and "social distance." BUT, they cannot buy non essential items. Just some random thing plonked in the middle of a system that failed before, that they brought back in when the Thing got away from them.
We were down to one case in this entire province, and they managed it up to this (again, if the figures bear scrutiny, which I question--and I don't trust their figures to the point where I am not familiar with the current ones, nor do I care what they are), with people being largely distanced from non household family, the whole time. THIS is what I am talking about. The senselessness in managing it gives way to corruption as people allow it to manage itself. I want to see normalcy again.
What bothers me most, is that apparently, those who experience the blind effect have taken power. When there is a rise in stats, they beg for more restrictions as their fears have taken over. Now they beg for our rights to be removed. It is no longer the government we have to fear, but them.
It's good, no, it's GREAT, that some regions ban fracking, as you said.I don’t call approaching 300,000 deaths in the USA, with predictions of over half a million by Easter (on current trends) as “death, is very low”, as you put it.
To me 300,000 deaths is VERY HIGH, and over half were preventable deaths if only Trump’s Administration had taken more action to fight the pandemic. South Korea, with a population of over 50 million, and covid-19 related deaths of just 540 in total is just one of a number of countries who are testimony to how many lives can be saved when Governments and their peoples take the right action.
And don’t forget the covid-long haulers. About 10% of people diagnosed with covid-19 are developing long term illnesses associated with covid-19, which means that in the USA of the 15 million diagnosed so far, about 1.5 million Americans are becoming ‘covid-long haulers’; and if the pandemic continues on its current course (with half a million deaths by Easter), that number will grow to about 3 million Americans with long term covid related illnesses by Easter.
Yes, the death toll has been relatively low in Canada (where you live); but that is precisely because the Canadian Government is taking the pandemic seriously, and have taken measure to combat the disease and keep deaths to a minimum; and for that you should be grateful. In the USA it’s a different picture.
It’s the same where I live (the south west of England), the infection rate and number of deaths have been small, unlike London in March/April, and northern England since, where the infection rates and death toll have been high. Yet, in spite of the low infection rates in the part of England where I live we are still in a high level of lockdown; and we are quite happy with that because we know that if it wasn’t for the lockdown the infection rate and deaths would be high and not low.
I know you don’t care about the loss of lives; but to me ‘life is precious, and saving lives does matter.
I am still getting notifications, and will shut them down permanently, by shutting them out mentally henceforth.
Now, to spell it out--LOOK at the George Floyd video. Study it closely. It is BOGUS! It was staged to further the cause of distraction, to lead the blind during Covid-19.
Then you look at the video of a man smashing windows at an AutoZone store, while people are crowded around. He smashes the windows in a very calm manner, methodically. It was done to an end, not out of anger. He wasn't looting. Who then, was responsible for sending him there? Whose goal was it to begin riots, or to maximize damage during the riots?
Was it not mass hysteria "they" were attempting to create in staging the George Floyd incident? They brought racism back to be a huge thing, when it was well on its way to being small in our society--not irrelevant, but far smaller than it is.
I am not willing to discuss this further. I have spent much time looking into these matters. People spend their time trying to close a mind that has been opened. It is painful to see.
PS: If you get your education from Facebook, really, you need to find new sources. There's a world of information at your fingertips. But beware, as most of it is manufactured to an end. Sorry to tell you, but it's true."Who then, was responsible for sending him there? Whose goal was it to begin riots, or to maximize damage during the riots?"
If you need to ask it means you don't know the answer. Ignorance of the answer is not a reason to invent one that you wish to be true. This has become a major problem in our society; ignorance is used to invent an answer acceptable to the speaker, but it doesn't even come close to producing actual fact or knowledge.Purely diffusionary answer, meaning that it is YOU that does not know. I am not asking. I am asking YOU, why you do not know. Okay, blocking anyone who tries to bring me back in. More than tired of this, and still am getting notifications.
Block away. It is a public forum and if you don't like being asked to support your silly claims then don't make them.
I am observing from a distance. Objectiveness is key, not bickering.
No, the world rate is not the same. However, even so called credible sources report drastically different figures, hence the stats are open to interpretation. With any source I've seen, there's a significant difference.
With that said, the states are not high on the charts for death toll, which only goes to say, that if the incentivization was taken out of the equation, the apparent death toll for the US would be reduced accordingly. Figure manipulation = people manipulation.5th December: The 'R' value (rate of infection) in the UK has now finally fallen to below '1'; it's now down to between 0.8 & 1.0: Hence 'new cases', 'hospitalisations' and 'deaths' in the UK are all now falling.
When a person, and with a straight face, can say that the global populace as a whole should be forced to stay home, when the end result is that one in over ten thousand dies, all I can do is shake my head. This is the populace that Charlotte Thomson Isobyte said that behind the scenes the US goverment had evidence they were trying to create...a nation of people that would not think for themslves and that would question nothing. By Jove... they've done it!
IslandBites, your post appear very small on my phone. It's painful straining my eyes. Can I have a link to the post? Much thanks.
Another food for comparison:
In the US, the month of October had 23.000 Covid deaths, the November showed 40.000 deaths and the past 7 days alone had more than 15.000 people dead. If this dynamics keeps on going further up hill, then December will show from 65.000 deaths up and no end in sight for winter months to come.
Just add up the current 282k + some 60k for Dec. and 70k for Jan., and Febr. each. That would get you to more than 480.000 for the beginning of March 2021. Probably people really get scared much earlier and stay at home voluntarily and restrict contacts by themselves (questionable if that is possible with the very vulnerable social situation in the US). This may reduce death count a little, but much.
Vaccination impact may be seen after February, if enough is available and distributed to the right population group.
The US has a rising active case count with a doubling every 40 days. By now some 5% of the population were or are infected since the start of the pandemic.
With a max. R value of some 1,5 experienced in the recent wave, you need 30% of the population to get infected for herd immunity. Still a long way to go, paved with much sorrow.
Most of Western Europe have bent the curve for new infections.
7 day new case incidents per 100.000:
UK: 178, down from 188 last week, pandemic low 7 in July
Germany: 171, down from 180 last week, pandemic low 3 in June
Italy: 268 , down from 336 last week, pandemic low 2 in July
Same number for the US:
USA: 404, up from 352 last week, pandemic low 45 in June
The USA never got close to taking control over the pandemic. But in hindsight that doesn´t matter. I didn´t help any other free world country to be better prepared, all got the second wave (With the exception of remote islands that allow good control).
Looking at the US: Within 1 year there will be more than 400k fatalities. It took the Spanish flu 2 years for 650k. But aren´t there 100 years in between?Spanish flu numbers must be population adjusted to be comparable to Covid fatality rate: 650k x 330/115 = 1.865k. I have to apologize.
I don't want to further engage in to conversation, but will conclude on this... your figures are rather random. One of you, grasping in support of the figures put out, quotes one source, one quotes another; there is little similarity between.
Some days ago, someone else posted a clip showing figures that broke down into 1 person in over ten thousand dead in the US right after Thanksgiving, and now all of a sudden you are showing totally different figures. Both of you support each other, even though there is no relativity to your stats. You think I am the naive one. This is it, there is no reason to continue the conversation.
There are banks of differing figures on the Internet. From them, anyone can shop until they find what they need that best supports their stance. Standing back in analysis though, the truth emerges. It's a dance of fear that those who swallow it up, dance.
GOOD GODS, I just took another look over your stats... now you are talking active cases, to allow you to jump the figures. This is like arguing with a pigeon over an essay... just going to crap all over the page. The conversation I engaged in was about deaths.
You are free to bring up whichever random figures you enjoy emoting within--in fear that you or a loved one may be afflicted and even be the one in over ten thousand who is ultimately dying within the US as of late. However, when I, as busy as I am take time to only skim read your collection of words, it is more than tiresome to analyse what the nature of it all is.You must be very careful interpreting the figures you see. Some use deaths per capita population, which means almost nothing. Others will use deaths per infected person or even deaths per hospitalization of infected persons. They each have different uses and can give a reader fits trying to understand where they fit into the grand picture.
For most uses, deaths per infections is the proper figure to use, but if you want a high death count then use deaths per hospitalization. It is MUCH scarier. And if you want to show that almost no one dies, use deaths per capita of population; it makes the virus seem much, much safer.
And if you want a really scary figure, compare deaths per hospitalization for COVID to deaths per capita of population of the common flue (that we have a vaccine for). That will REALLY scare them, especially if you don't specify just where your numbers come from.I agree, trying to compare stats from different countries is an exercise in frustration, because of the different types of reporting - not to mention the lack of testing in some countries, which distorts things even further.
That's why "excess deaths' makes so much more sense. This is an interesting article which explains it very well, I think:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/03/mea … ue-burden/LOL I was thinking more of the different reports we see in the US, from different sources. They all have a number to report, but even if it is drawn from the same set of data the figure given will vary widely according to what the writer wishes to impart.
Same difference. The excess deaths figure is still the most reliable.
I would disagree with this. There are many reasons for death and none of them are being accounted for. For instance, there have undoubtedly been far fewer travel related deaths as people aren't travelling; was that factored in? The same might also be true for work related accidental deaths. On the flip side, fear has kept many out of hospitals - how many died are were counted as "normal death" because of the COVID terror?
All of them are being accounted for, that's the whole point. They are just deaths from any cause.
You are right, it's very likely there have been fewer travel- and work-related deaths this year. In Australia, we've had a dramatically lower rate of influenza deaths this year. So you'd expect the death rate to be lower than average this year, right?
But the death rate is higher than average, and there must be a reason for that. The most likely reason is Covid.That's the point. In your example you might have expected 50,000 deaths total (just grabbing numbers for an illustration), but travel deaths are down by 5,000. When the total is 60,000 it means 15,000 deaths by covid, not 10,000, because of the loss of 5,000 travel. And I'm pretty sure that calculation is not being done. Just the "excess" deaths of 10,000.
So I see that "excess deaths" as pretty much a meaningless number. In fact, the number of deaths can vary widely every year, and while it isn't enough to cover the COVID deaths, it could cover many of them.
But to each their own - some will take that excess deaths number and run with it, some will step back and say "wait a minute, that doesn't necessarily work". All while the actual number attributable to COVID could go to either stance.Yes, excess deaths do very widely from year to year; that’s why in the UK the ONS (Office of National Statistics) takes the average of the previous five years as a comparison for this year. And in relation to the other methods the UK Government uses to estimate covid-19 deaths, it does seem to provide reliable and useful data.
It still works better than any other measure.
With the Covid-only statistics, you're always going to have people who object to their accuracy on the grounds they are over-reported (for financial gain) or under-reported (due to lack of testing or policy). There are lots of people using these flaws as an excuse to put on their blinkers and pretend Covid isn't that bad, or as a tool to create panic.
Whereas "excess deaths" is a long-established statistic which has been gathered and studied for years.
You are right, due to the reduction in other deaths, it's likely to be a lower number than the actual deaths from Covid. But it gives you a baseline. You can say, with reasonable accuracy, "The country had ...... excess deaths this year, therefore it's likely that the Covid death rate is AT LEAST that amount.""It still works better than any other measure."
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. While I find the figure pertinent and useful, I have a vast distrust of those that do statistical analysis for political reasons. It is all too easy to make figures say something they shouldn't, and I find that honesty and truth in reporting anything even smelling of politics is virtually gone from the landscape.
Just my opinion, though, and I'm sure others will disagree. Disagree for very valid reasons, too, but that doesn't change my opinion that it is almost impossible to find truth in today's climate of exaggeration, spin and lies. On the other hand, to blame it on tens of thousands of doctors all conspiring together seems very far-fetched to me.
Bottom line is that, for me, the best approach is to look at ALL the different figures and kind of "average" them in my head, giving more weight to some that I find particularly useful and less to those I distrust or feel that the writer is trying to push a specific assumption, making the figure less useful.I would agree with you wilderness if the data was compiled by the Government.
I don’t know how it’s done in the USA. But in the UK none of the raw data is compiled by the Government, in the UK:-
1. The total number of people who test positive and die within 28 days is counted and published daily by the NHS.
2. The total number of people who die where covid-19 is referenced on the death certificate is data compiled by the ONS (Office of National Statistics) and published weekly.
3. The total number of excess deaths, relevant to the average of the previous five years, for that month, is a simple calculation made by the ONS from their archive data, and published monthly.
In the UK the ONS, and other similar Government Departments, are designed to be apolitical e.g. answerable to Parliament, not the Government; set up in such a way specifically so that the Government of the day can NOT have political influence over such Departments (for obvious reasons).
That’s why the UK Government estimates covid-19 related deaths using three different methods, including ‘excess deaths’; so although the three different sets of figures differ from each other, there is nevertheless a correlation between them e.g. they all move up and down together overtime, and you know that the truest figure is somewhere within that range.
In the UK, ever since March, the daily stats of measuring covid-19 deaths by how many who tested positive die within 28 days tends to be slightly lower than ‘excess deaths’.
In the UK, ever since March, the weekly stats of measuring covid-19 deaths by how many death certificates mention Covid-19 has tended to be slightly higher than ‘excess deaths’.
So for the UK, for various reasons, you could conclude that ‘excess deaths’ may well be the most accurate of the three measurements? But regardless it does nevertheless provide a reasonable guide; and one that can be used to make comparisons between different nations.
Yep, as Marisa states, because different countries gather their data on covid-19 related deaths in different ways, and some countries undercount, especially the poor countries where they don’t have the resources to test if someone had covid before they died, ‘excess deaths’ is the most reliable way to compare the covid-19 death rate between different countries.
The UK Government publishes three sets of data on covid-19 related deaths; they all give different results, but the important thing is they’re all consistent in showing the ‘same’ trends; which provides clarity in whether the UK Governments policies on controlling the pandemic is working or not.
The three methods published by the British Government are:-
• Published Daily: The total number of people who die within 28 days of testing positive.
• Published Weekly: The total number of people who have Covid-19 mentioned on their death certificate, and
• Published Monthly: The total of excess deaths in any given month, compared to the average of total deaths in that month for the previous five years.Merisa, thanks for the link. It's a read and thought provocating.
- Marisa Writesposted 4 years ago0
Why do you say the "excess deaths" statistic is collected "for political reasons"?
This is not a statistic that's been created specially for Covid. It's a statistic that's been collected for many years across many administrations.First, "excess deaths" due to Covid has never been collected before. Only average death rates. It takes the politics of the pandemic to add in the "excess" part.
Secondly, it is mostly definitely a political figure, for it is being used to reinforce the politics of controlling what people do. What could be a better definition of "politics" than that?Maybe in the USA? But not in the UK.
In the UK such data is compiled by the ONS (Office of National Statistics). The ONS is an Independent Government Department e.g. it's not answerable to the Government, its answerable to Parliament only.
The ONS gathers statistics on all matters of British Society, including economic and social data and regularly publishes it to the 'public domain' for all to see, including the public and opposition parties.
The data can at times be embarrassing to the Government, but it keeps the Government on its toes, and introduces a level of transparency in British Politics.I am not talking about some "excess deaths due to Covid" figure, whatever that is.
I am talking about the standard statistics gathered by statisticians, year on year. They routinely track average death rates and use them to spot abnormal spikes in deaths - which are called "excess deaths". If you're looking at something else, then we're talking at cross purposes.
3,054 COVID19 deaths were reported today in the United States. And is going to get worse.
Then, the deaths from the the next three weeks of infections...A very tragic situation, and one that I don't see changing in the USA until enough vaccine is rolled out to steam the tide of infections and death.
15th December: Covid-19 related deaths have fallen 7% in the UK over the past week. A tentative move in the right direction.
Update Germany 15th Dec.:
So called lockdown light was imposed on Nov. 1st. Didn´t do much to prevent the second wave. Only stabilized active cases at a high level (some 300.000) and a proportional number of Covid related fatalities. Lockdown light did only close bars and restaurants, every other business continued.
So by tomorrow a hard lockdown will be imposed. Closes down all non essential businesses, leaving open only grocery stores, pharmacies, health related business. Schools closed. Travel restricted to business only.
This will be very harmful to local shops and small business depending on Christmas shopping.
A lot of discussion is going on in this forum and in this thread on how biased number counting is on cases, fatalities, statistics. So i tried to find some reliable source of information, that is not related to the Covid mess.
Found raw data on all sources, all age group deaths in Germany. The data is updated once a week and lags roughly 4 weeks behind. Apparently takes some time to collect the data from communities, hospitals, churches and align them. https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesel … cationFile
I analysed the data and compared with previous years. Preliminary and premature result: No statistically significant rise in death count using the bandwidth of past 5 years.
But then - Germany was not really hit by the first wave. So until the end of October nothing was found, also nothing age related. The 10.000 Covid deaths simply disappeared in the statistics.
I wrote "premature". Because from the beginning of November the Covid deaths started to rise dramatically in G. And - i found this in the raw data. The percentage of people above 65 who died is now (November) much higher than in previous years.
For me this is proof enough that there are no statistics hacked for political purposes.Yep, that’s reassuring research on your part; and I suspect the same can be said for all Western Industrialised Democratic Countries, including the USA e.g. the CDC (to the best of my knowledge) isn’t directly controlled by the Government, thus preventing Government interference in the gathering and publishing on raw data.
Some observations from my last week trip through Germany under hard lockdown conditions:
Road traffic with less cars, but trucks and vans same. Change in truck nationality: slightly less foreign trucks (normally some 70% foreign, now some 50%). Counting trucks gives raw intelligence indication on economic activity. For the first time ever i got confirmation calls from my advance hotel bookings. Hotels had to make sure my trip was business and not private. Because all restaurants are closed i had to remember basic "survival" skills from my student times for eating and drinking.
Economic anecdote: Car sales are up, because apparently people believe it is safer in their cars than in public transport.
My statistical survey on excess deaths and overall deaths now includes time until Nov. 21st. Still nothing visible in the statistics. Still the 14.000 Covid deaths are swallowed by statistics. As a matter of fact total deaths until Nov. 21st is yet 6.000 lower than it was in 2018. Weeks and months to come will make the difference. Certainly looks like it because past 4 weeks had as much Covid deaths as all of previous pandemic period.
7 day new cases incidence is stable at some 230/100.000 for G. Same number for UK is 280 and rising. US is "cruising" at 480 and still rising.
German government got a lot of heat because of the failure of the lockdown light. Lessons to be learned: Either close down schools and most of public life completely to have some success or do nothing. Doing little or doing nothing doesn´t make much difference. Currently we have strong indication that efforts totally failed to protect elderly in nursing homes. More than 50% of new cases now are in nursing homes. Some care facilities had to be evacuated because elderly and care personal were both thoroughly infected. This reflects on the vaccination program. It is planned to vaccinate elderly and their care personal first.All Fun & Games in the UK!!!
On Saturday 19th December the UK Government reluctantly cancel Christmas because of a new strain of Covid-19 (strain 202012/01), found in Kent & London, which is at least 70% more contagious.
So as from yesterday (20th December) most of the South East of England (including London) has been placed in the strictest of lockdowns (a new tier 4 level of restrictions) and travelling outside of that area is now prohibited.
Because the ‘new strain’ is so infectious most countries have temporarily barred all transport with Britain, including fresh and perishable foods from mainland Europe, while the situation is being assessed. And as the supply chains to the supermarkets operate on a ‘just-in-time’ basis so that the food freshly packed in the EU are on the supermarket shelves in the UK within 24 hours; then Britain’s will face chronic food shortages within the next 48 years. To this end the UK Government is holding ‘Emergency Meetings’ today to discuss the crisis which is upon us; no doubt there will be a ‘Press Conference’ (Government Address to the Nation) later today, so it will be interesting to see how the UK Governments try to handle the crisis?
For our part, we do have a food store (secure shed) with six months supplies e.g. where my wife buys food in bulk when it’s on offer, and which includes fresh veg harvested from our own back garden and frozen to keep us fed until the next harvest (late summer harvest). So we’ll not starve, but I do feel sorry for people who only stock up weekly.
Also, while the virus is raging out of control in South East England (because of the new ‘more contagious’ strain in that part of the country) in contrast, the infection rate in South West England (where I live) is still very low, and still (currently) falling; so the Restrictions in the South West is currently relaxed (tier 2), but being monitored closely by the Government.
The one ray of hope is that the vaccinations are well underway in the UK, protecting the most vulnerable first, so we should start to see some benefits of that within the next month or two.
The ‘List of Priority’ for the 1st phase of vaccinating in the UK is shown in the chart below e.g. my wife & I are 7th in the priority list, so I guess that’ll not be until at least February. The UK Government’s aim is to get everyone on the ‘phase one’ list vaccinated by Easter.
1 & 2 on the above chart should be complete, or near complete by the end of this year.The mutation is not a surprise, virus go through many mutations. The vaccine is coming just in time... Hopefully, a heard can be built more quickly now.
Yep, in the UK, come Easter those most at risk from the virus should have been vaccinated e.g. 99% of deaths are from those listed in the ‘first phase’ vaccination list above (about a third of the UK population). Essentially, all those above the age of 50 and every one of all ages with underlying health conditions including diabetes, obesity and asthma sufferers.
So although we’ll not have herd immunity at that point (which is 70%), deaths will plummet to single figures, which will allow the Government to open up the economy again, and for people to get back to normality; while the Government can then focus on ‘phase two’ of the vaccination programme e.g. everyone else above the age of 16 and below the age of 50, so that come next winter (when the virus is at its worst) we should have all but eradicated the virus.
So just another three months in the UK where things are going to be tough before things can return to normal.That's in contrast with the Nigeria situation. This week Sunday, Nigeria records a high covid-19 rate of 501 infect person. This prompt the Federal Government of Nigeria to shut down the country this weekend. Effective, all schools are to remain closed till January 18. Although the schools were already gone for the Christmas and New Year holidays. All worship centres and social gatherings were equally affect likewise. Nigeria as a developing country here has great disadvantage about testing kits. Vaccines are far in production. Nigeria can mly import it from abroad! Seriously. December-January is the present Harmattan season when the dusty bore prevailing North-East trade winds from the Sahara Desert blow across sub-Sahara Africa. People easily get affect by nasal problems. Hence the need to promote the lock down again. They is confusion here.
Yep, it’s going to be a tough winter for all. Although the wealthy countries will vaccinate their own citizens first, the pandemic is a worldwide problem, so therefore WHO does have a programme (which many wealthy countries have signed up to) to get vaccines to the poor countries over the course of the year. It’s not going to be easy, and it’ll take time, but worldwide rollout of the vaccines is in everyone’s interest.
It's good that developing countries receive the essential or necessary help from the developed countries. But dependance all the time is not a fair game. Developing countries should innovate they own technologies like the rich countries. I believe they had the money to invest in Research and Development(RAD) But politics as is being played in third world countries is to empty the government purse. For example, Nigeria, with her oil wealth that runs into trillions or billion billion dollars has yet to make any significant inroad in health care system, public education, aviation, shipping, rail infrastructure, and much more. Yet, Senators were flying private jets and buyying same for their wife/wives, girl friend! Bam, where does the money comes from? Some Governors are hoarding money meant to pay pension arrears and gratuity that runs into billion dollars for presidential ambition.
Putting aside the levels of corruption and mismanagement in developing countries, why does Nigeria with 200 million people have magnitudes less Corona cases and fatalities than western countries?
Can´t be related to not testing. Is it possible that especially African countries have more experience with life threatening diseases like Ebola than others have? And thus know from administration down to ordinary people how to deal with a pandemic?Can you recalled that You and I had discussed a thread: "Test for Covid-19" here in the forum few months ago? I authored the thread. Recalled also upon the hint of the theraggedge, you query what the test is about, right? Nigeria is at present doing only the temperature test. Within both my nuclear and immediate family, no person has gone for a virus test. But tests for HIV/AID and Typhod fever regular and common monthly and yearly. If Nigeria or any other African country cannot eredicate malaria or typhood fever, what makes you think they can fight off medically a very dangerous death threating coronavirus? Nigeria is still doing the temperature test. No secmdary test has been put in place. I think also that washing hands with soap and water,face-masking, social distancing is preventing the spread.
More than that, Nigerians or Africans has special meals or delicacies, combo drinks or juice that develop they immunity against unknown virus. I even made a chutney of such and put same in my freezer. It is on my disposal at any meal day or night!
UK Approves Oxford Vaccine Today (30th December)
The Oxford Vaccine has finally been approved for use in the UK; the UK being the first country in the world to approve this vaccine.
This is a ‘Big Game’ Changer because unlike the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines the Oxford vaccine does NOT need to be kept in deep freeze, only at fridge temperature, making it a lot easier, cheaper and quicker to distribute for vaccination; plus at only $4 a dose, it is an extremely cheap vaccine.
The NHS (National Health Service) will start rolling out the Oxford vaccine (made in the UK) as from Monday 4th January. And with the UK Government having bought 100 million doses, there’s enough of the Oxford vaccine to vaccinate the entire UK population as quickly as the NHS can administer it in arms; which should be quite quick e.g. by Easter, seeing that the NHS has had the infrastructure in place to administer vaccines across the whole of the UK since the beginning of December.
Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine approval in UK: https://youtu.be/iyVqgyN_R-UThis is promising news... Back in May 2020 ---the U.S. secures 300 million doses of potential AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine via Operation Warp Speed. I was so pleased to see it has been given the go-ahead in the UK.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal … SKBN22X0J9Do you know when the USA might consider approving it? Time is of the essence, every day delayed is more lives lost.
In this respect, the UK has taken the decision of, instead of methodically giving each person in turn two doses (four weeks apart), to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible with one dose (to give maximum widespread protection), and then to give the 2nd dose three months later e.g. to get more people vaccinated in the shortest time possible.I have not heard anything as of yet when the FDA will be presented with the AstraZeneca vaccine. I would think the FDA will take into account that the UK is using the vaccine widely, and give authorization of the vaccine by mic Jan. We really need the vaccine to be distributed with the uptick in cases. However, our FDA has always been ones to drag their feet.
The sooner we get the population vaccinated the sooner we will bring this virus under some control. I was so pleased to hear the UK was widely using the AZ vaccine.According to Health Official interviewed on CNN yesterday the FDA will not likely be considering the Oxford university until at least April; due to the data in the trials being incomplete, and the FDA are waiting for further data in the continuation of the trials, before making an informed decision.
Whereas, considering the urgency of the situation, in contrast the British Health Regulators took what data there was in order to issue 'emergency use authorisation' e.g. the data might not be perfect at the moment, but in the eyes of the British Health Regulators, there is enough data to show that it is 'safe' and 'effective'; which is what is most important for saving lives.
Great news indeed. And the best of Oxford to all the world!
As from yesterday (5th Jan) the whole of the UK is under full national lockdown, for at least the next six weeks e.g. it’s now illegal (criminal offence) to leave your home unless it’s an essential journey; with hefty fines if you breach the covid laws.
On the positive side just under 2% of the British population have now been vaccinated with that figure set to rise significantly over the coming weeks and months now that the Oxford University vaccine has been approved in the UK and is now being rolled out e.g. the Oxford vaccine being a lot easier, cheaper and quicker to Administer that the Pfizer vaccine (and Moderna) because it doesn’t need to be kept in deep freeze.
Another factor speeding up the vaccination programme being the UK Government’s policy to administer just the first dose, for the first three months, so that twice as many people can be vaccinated (and protected) in half the time; the only country in the world (at the moment) adopting such a policy.
And for once, in spite of all the (well justified) criticism, the USA isn’t doing too badly with its vaccination programme compared to the rest of the world:-
As from yesterday (5th Jan), the USA has vaccinated just over 1.5% of its population; 5th best achievement worldwide, top 10 countries as follows:-
• Israel = 15.14% of its population vaccinated.
• UAE = 7.69% of its population vaccinated.
• Bahrain = 4.31% of its population vaccinated.
• UK = 1.95% of its population vaccinated.
• USA = 1.54% of its population vaccinated.
• Denmark = 0.89%
• Russia =0.55%
• Slovenia = 0.47%
• Germany = 0.38%
• Canada = 0.35%This is not just a welcome news! It is a sign of good things happening- a fight against the covid-19 pandemic. Sure, all these mentioned countries are setting great trends. Isreal being first and far above is paramount. To me it means God of the earth is pose to help humanity bring the corona virus 2019 pandemic under control. Seriously, it is up for other nations on earth to follow suit. Nigeria has been put on threat or alert by the Federal government for a second wave of the lockdown if people residing therein failed to adhere to basic preventive measures against covid19. Significantly, voluntary vaccination of all persons in Nigeria will soon began late January 2021. Government is urging every one to take advantage of its openess. What sort of vaccines are to be use, that I don't have the latest knowledge for no disclosure has been made.
That’s great news, the sooner they start vaccination in Nigeria the better.
What is scary I just saw a report for a New York Dr, stating within a few days they will be throwing out a majority of the doses in New York due to not getting them out quickly enough. New York has a regime (phases) that have slowed up the process. Some states like Florida are doing it more quickly by starting quickly with medical personal and 65 and over. We are seeing the confusion in states that seem to have over thought the phases to dispense the vaccine. Get ready to hear we are tossing out lots of the first shipment of the vaccine. It is clear the states needed help with a one for all plan. Our CDC did not provide any clear plan.
Yes, I’ve seen on the TV the fiasco in the States in trying to rollout the vaccine, with just 31.7% of the vaccines distributed to the States actually being used to date. Of the 17,288,950 distributed, only 5,478,578 administered:-
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covi … tribution/
However, you can’t blame the CDC, their Recommendations, on their website is quite clear; what’s lacking is coordination, help, guidance, support and advice from the Federal Government.
The CDC Recommendations for priority is that the top 3 priorities on the list are:-
• Front-line medical workers,
• Those most at risk from death e.g. care homes for the elderly, and
• Frontline essential workers (essential to the economy).
While those between 65 and 75 are 4th on the priority list.
A little different to the approach in the UK, where Frontline Essential Workers (essential to the economy), if they don’t fall under a high risk category of death e.g. because they are under 50 and don’t have any underlying medical condition are planned to be vaccinated in phase 2 from April onwards.
I also note that the States are not strictly following the CDC’s priority list e.g. as you said, Florida including all those over 65 rather than just methodically working down the priority list; which is fine if the situation dictates. For example, in the UK Care Homes for the Elderly (Residence and staff) is the 1st priority with everyone else over 80, and all ‘Front-line’ medial workers being 2nd; whereas in practice the NHS are doing the care homes 2nd simply because it’s been too difficult to get the Pfizer vaccine out to the care homes, so the care homes are now being done using the Oxford university vaccine because it’s easier and quicker to administer.
Another difference between the USA & UK that has surprised me is that in some States it’s very much a free for all (for those who qualify for the vaccine) e.g. no appointment, with the elderly having to queue outside (in the cold) for hours on end on a ‘first come first served bases)!
In the UK the NHS is doing the vaccinations by appointment only (based on your medical records); and you don’t contact the NHS to make the appointment e.g. when it’s your turn the NHS will automatically send you your appointment in the post, which you then confirm or change by phoning your local doctor’s surgery. So when it’s your turn there is no waiting in queues, it’s just a quick in and out (at your allotted time); just as it’s done with the flu vaccine.
The UK Government’s plan is to get everyone over the age of 70 vaccinated by mid-Feb, and everyone over 50, and everyone over the age of 16 with underlying medical conditions to be vaccinated by the end of March.
Below is the Priority List for the UK:-
I like the UK approach. It is much better to give prority to the elderly and vulnerable. Thank you, Arthur, thank you.
Most of the problems seem to be the Phases Governors have put in place that the CDC recommends. We have many medical workers refusing to be vaccinated, and as of this morning, many states have warned they have now moved on to the next phase. In Michigan, they gave them a few more days, and have now changed the phases to vaccinating Firemen, police, and anyone 65 and over. We had very few Medical workers get COVID, many younger workers opted not to be vaccinated.
There’s nothing wrong with the CDC Recommendations, it aims to protect the most vulnerable first. The problem in the USA seems to be the high level of resistance by Americans to being vaccinated.
I am surprised if medical workers in the USA are refusing the vaccine; especially as more than 2,900 American Medical Workers have died from Covid-19; in the UK 270 medical workers (NHS) staff, have died from Covid.
Fortunately in the UK the take-up for the vaccine is very high; and opinion polls show that most people of all age groups in the UK are keen to have the vaccine.
In the UK, those in the first 4 groups in the above ‘priority list’ (about 14 million people) accounts for 88% of deaths from Covid; which is why the UK Government’s schedule is to vaccinate everyone in the top four priority groups by 15th February. Those from 5th to 9th on the UK priority list accounts for a further 11% of all Covid deaths in the UK, and the Government plans to get those vaccinations done by the end of March; so that we can all then start to get back to normal life in the UK by Easter, while at the same time the NHS start to rollout the vaccination programme to the young and healthy during the early summer (which accounts for 1% of the deaths); completing the vaccination programme potentially by the end of June in the UK.
It’s not just the deaths from Covid that’s of concern in the UK. Around 10% of young healthy people who have symptoms from Covid go onto develop long term illnesses (the Long Haulers); which although a far greater number than actual deaths, and which is taken seriously in the UK, seems to get little or no mention in the USA News Media in spite of the fact that there are an estimated 2.2 million Americans with this condition.
COVID-19: New clinics to offer help for people with long-term symptoms in England https://youtu.be/xSys92cnh4AHad I knew better, I would have had withdrew my last post/comment in this forum. Like as I said a day or two ago, Nigerians and all resident therein will later quer up for the covid19 vaccine. Surprisedly, a new announcement today from the Nigerian Presidency gives a list of priority of personals to be vaccinated- the President, VP, and all politicians. Citing reasons, the presidency said it will not let it's politicians to die before the people! I think this is absurd! Here is the number of vaccines to be procure: 100,000! Nigeria has a population of 180 million plus! This is a child play by the government!
Instead of procuring the Oxford University vaccine which is cheaper, Nigeria's federal government resort to Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. More information is emerging(but confusing) about the priority application of the vaccine- the politicians vs the public, or the politicians vs the frontline workers. My opinion is that two status that stands to school the populace were never in tanden of what is to be done.
Too little, too late?
I get the impression that the virus is still ahead of us. With the new more contageous variant, isn´t it too late for the vaccines to be of help in these 3 months of winter in the Northern hemisphere?
And - while we have winter time in Europe, nothing seems to significantly reduce the new cases and the death toll. Strict lockdown, lockdown "light", travel restrictions - nothing is stopping the virus. At best daily numbers don´t rise, but active cases remain high.
People will need the assistance of nature and hopefully over spring and summer and enough vaccines we achieve herd immunity before October 2021.
Are there numbers available on the R-factor in the UK with the new variant? If R gets above 3, then 60% herd immunity is not enough, especially if you consider that current R-factors come with lockdown conditions.Generally, yes the vaccines are too little, too late, to have any noticeable impact over the winter months in the Northern hemisphere. And certainly the new ‘UK Variant’ is so contagious that nothing short of a ‘full’ lockdown can contain its spread.
However, the UK only went into its latest ‘full’ lockdown just 8 days ago (4th January) so it’s far too early to say what impact this lockdown will have on the spread of the virus; that will not be known for at least another week or two.
Also, the Government/NHS are on course to have vaccinated that section of the population that accounts for 88% of deaths by the 15th February (14 million vaccinations); and to have vaccinated the other section of the population that accounts for a further 11% of the deaths by Easter. So in the UK deaths will start to dwindle quite dramatically within the next month or so; and by Easter will be just 1% of what they are now.
As of yesterday 4.01% of the UK population have now been vaccinated; compared to just 2.82% in the USA; and 0.74% in Germany. In fact so far 2,675,289 people have now been vaccinated in the UK (population of 66 million) compared to just 2,744,613 vaccinations across the whole of the EU (population 446 million). So for the UK it’s not too little, too late, it’s more of a ‘race against time’.
Part of the UK’s vaccination rollout success is threefold. Firstly, since the approval of the use of Oxford University vaccine in the UK the vaccination programme has speeded up because the Oxford University is a lot easier and quicker to ‘administer’ than the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, as it doesn’t need to be kept in cold storage. Secondly, the Oxford University vaccine is manufactured within the UK, ensuring a better supply chain; and thirdly, people are only being given just one dose in the first three months, so that twice as many people can be vaccinated in a given time.
FYI, the effect of the new UK variant of the virus has been to increase the ‘R’ value in the UK from ‘1’ to ‘1.4’ (prior to the latest lockdown); It’ll be another week or two before we know what downward pressure the current lockdown is having in the ‘R’ value.I think the R-factor is much more delicate with respect to case development than anticipated. In Germany we had an average of R = 1,02 over the past 2 months. The R-factor is the true exponent of the exponential growth. Have this for 35 days and you double. (Take the 2%, divide 70 (100% x ln 2) by 2 and you the time period for doubling). All numbers more than doubled, 2 months is more than 35 days.
Maths and statistics project a horrifying future for the next months. R = 1,4 is way out of imagination.Last update published on the UK Government Website 8th Jan: Which was just four days into the latest ‘lockdown’, so far too early to say what effect the lockdown is having:-
• Latest R number range for the UK = 1.0 to 1.4
• Latest growth rate range for the UK = 0% to +6% per day.
Yes the current ‘R’ value is far too high; hence the lockdown. However, with the lockdown and with the rapid progression of the vaccine rollout in the UK, within a matter of weeks we should see the ‘R’ value starting to fall quite noticeably in the UK.There is some hope on the horizon on how to tackle the virus.
Newest results from a joint research group in the Netherlands, Russia and Germany helped to identify the genom parts that take care of virus reproduction. Not necessarily only specific for Covid19, but for all types of Corona viruses.
The identification of the reproduction process allows to develop target medication to suppress reproduction. This gives some hope, even though at an early stage.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/6/e2022310118
Meanwhile in Germany the lockdown seems to show some success. R-factor is below 1 since mid December and active cases and daily death rate go into the right direction. In my little home city oasis we are already below 50 (7 day infection rate per 100.000). So there is some relief in contact tracing now. We shall see how the more contageous variants influence the future development.That sounds like good news.
In the UK the ‘R’ value is also now below ‘1’ (at long last), and all the figures are finally going in the right direction.
On the vaccine front (as of yesterday; 26th Jan):-
• 10.3 % of UK population now vaccinated.
• 6.2% of USA population now vaccinated.
• Yet only 1.4% of EU population vaccinated.
I hope the EU starts to catch up with its vaccination programme soon.Nathan, worldwide some 70 million people must received their first shot. Once in while you hear of side effects and serious implications (Norway). But in general the vaccination does not do any harm to the wast majority of people. So much for the good news.
How far are we in confirming that the vaccination really halts the spreading of the virus.
The UK has achieved an admirably high number of vaccinations. So by now almost half of the most effected people/age group must have got their shot. Is there a significant drop in infections and fatalities in the age group that received shots earliest? Just asking.It takes about four weeks after the vaccination before the vaccine gives a high level of protection; so it will take time for the benefits to show up significantly in the stats.
Covid19: Nigeria 2021-1386 infected by Wednesday 20, 2021. Update so far:114,691 persons contract the disease, 92,336 discharge, and 1,478 died. By Wednesday likewise Lagos and Rivers states, and the Federal Capital Territory experienced 476, 163,116 infections respectively. Of the other 34 states, 18 other were infect. Vaccination will began next week if all things are equal.
As expected, Nigeria is still late in implementing the prority vaccination of the first 100,000 persons on the political agenda. Nevertheless, the second wave of the deadly covid19 has start to make inroad into the lives of the people. As at last weekend Janurary 23, 2021 about 1360 were infected with the deadly virus. The problem is that Nigerians, especially the Northerns had a poor mind set of the corona virus, couple with the fact that the virus is a figment of the white man's imagination. And because no one has seen an infected person, the pandemic is curious. Seriously, the Nigerian Federal government has from Tuesday 26 January, 2021 imposed a lock down which will soon be soon follow by the respective state government on their terms.
I know many Americans have voiced their opinions to me over the years that the US is the greatest country in the world to live, but anyone who is lucky enough to live here in Australia during these ghastly covid times wouldn’t trade our way of life for so-called personal freedoms that are contributing to so much devastation over there.
Here’s the latest covid news from Australia. The entire city of Perth (Western Australia’s capital city) plus other highly populated regions in WA have been immediately locked down for 5 days in response to ONE case of covid.
Yes, one case.
And nobody is complaining about it. Why? Because for the past 10 months (yes, the best part of a full year), the entire State of WA has had no community transferred cases of covid. Only a few cases that arrived from elsewhere but were contained in isolation.
Here’s a link to show how Australian governments are keeping covid controlled.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/ … a/13106968
Even federal politicians who were travelling from Perth to Canberra (our national capital) will be required to go into 5 days of self-isolation and be monitored.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/ … n/13107534
Yes, we wear masks. Yes, we adhere to social isolation rules. And yes, we remain cautious even when there’s no formal lockdown.
But gee, it is great to know our friends and families don’t face the same daily risks as in other countries.
I urge everyone in every country to make the effort required to restore a healthy environment in your communities. Please at least wear your masks.It is good to hear that Australia has the matter under control. But allow me to comment that Australia is essentially an island (continent) with a low density population.
As much as politicising (like in the USA) doesn´t help, how can you compare "remote" Australia with circumstances like in European countries?
We have been living together and interconnected for generations now. All efforts to lockdown are hindered by the total commercial interconnectivity from West to East, from North to South.
Before Christmas i had made a business trip through Germany. I noticed that fewer trucks with foreign license plates were seen on the Autobahn. But still some 30% to 40%. That means that at least 30% of all traffic in Germany (or Austria, or Switzerland, or Netherlands, or Belgium, or.. or) has foreign origin. Is closing the borders an option? I don´t think so because it would totally choke economic life.
Australia always took advantage of its remote and isolated location and is very strikt on immigration. I remember the tears in the eyes of my then young son some 25 years ago, when immigration officers in Sidney took away his half eaten banana. Won´t happen if if you go from France to Germany. Yes - with wearing masks (in Germany it is mandatory in public places to wear either chirurgical or FFP2 masks). Use of bandanas or selfmade creations from used underwear are forbidden by now.
Lets hope that the elderly get their vaccine shots soon. That will take a lot of load from fighting the pandemic. Meanwhile, comparing Australia with other situations in Europe or the Americas doesn´t get you anywhere.Yes, bio security is still important in Australia. Sadly it seems someone must have been less conscientious about removing possible threats to the banana industry in recent years because Australia is currently dealing with a number of invasions, by eradication if possible or by management if not, including an outbreak of banana freckle in Cavendish bananas in the Northern Territory, first detected in 2013. Plus in 2015, the banana industry was devastated again after the discovery of Panama Disease TR4 on a property in Queensland.
We have approx 1,700 different types of native bees and we are very aware of the need to protect animals from global diseases as well.
Yes, our kids might cry like yours did. But we’re perfectly capable of accepting personal inconvenience for the greater good of the community.
Of course it is greatly advantageous to be an island. However, don’t forget, we had a stage where our covid numbers were comparable to other countries in the early days.
Our response was very different. Instead of allowing it to spread through our country, we stopped it.
Yes, our country is an island with a relatively low population ... but our cities are densely populated. It could have spread like wildfire and caused extensive devastation.
I think we all need to be aware that every country and every continent is made up of individuals. Unless enough of them share a commitment to do what it takes to beat covid, I guess there is no point comparing. Sad as that is.
Arthur. Returning to your original question - it beggars belief that the Tories are still, after the covid fiasco and the Brexit disaster, ahead in the polls. I can’t wait to see the back of the entire incompetent, lying, cabinet. On a happier note - I get my first vaccination on Saturday. Have left home only for my daily walk for almost 12 months (weather permitting!) Am looking forward to a return to something approaching normality but I suspect it won’t be until autumn. Stay safe.
I agree with you; I am sure (hopeful) that once the pandemic is behind us, and normality strikes home that people will begin to see the Tories for what they really are; and put more faith in Labour, like they did in 1945: We can only hope.
We also, have been 'shielding' since March, not even leaving the house for our daily exercise; but we do have quite a large urban garden to compensate.
My wife & I had our jab yesterday, with the Oxford University vaccine, and can't wait for the lockdown to end; which considering how fast the vaccines are being rolled out in the UK, I'm hopeful the 21st June (as the day earmarked by the Government for lifting restriction, and ending the lockdown) will mark the beginning of normality.
34% of adults now vaccinated in UK (24th Feb). UK Government Road Map published yesterday, with the plan that ALL Covid Regulations will be lifted on 21st June, so that life can return to normal in the UK (post pandemic) e.g. virtually all adults in the UK will have been inoculated by that date.
My wife & I had our Covid vaccine yesterday (the Oxford University AstraZeneca vaccine).
Unlike the USA and most of the rest of the world, who are still insisting on giving both doses of the vaccines before moving on, the UK has adopted a policy of rolling out just one dose as quickly as possible to as many people as possible; and go back and start administrating the 2nd dose in three months’ time; once the most vulnerable have been given protection from the first dose.
It’s a policy that’s working well e.g. the only other two countries in the world who have administered more vaccines (per head of population) are Israel (at 93.5% of the population), and UAE (at 60.87% of the population): As at 28th Feb.
The UK has now vaccinated 30.77% of the population (38.1% of the adult population), compared to the USA, who have vaccinated 22.5%, and the EU, who have only vaccinated 7.43% of their population.
The other difference in policy approach between the UK & USA is that now that the USA have vaccinated the elderly and front line healthcare workers they’re prioritising the rest of the population for vaccination in accordance with their trade or profession; whereas the UK Government (on the advice if SAGE, the UK Scientific and Medical Advisory Board) have adopted a policy to continue prioritising according to age e.g. currently vaccinating those in their 60’s, then 50’s, then 40’s, 30’s and finally 18 to 29 year old by the summer; with the intention to lift all Covid Restriction on 21st June (to return to normal life), when most vulnerable people will have been vaccinated.
Finally, the UK is currently the only country in the world currently running phase III trials of the Oxford University vaccine on children, with the intention that if the trials are successful to vaccinate all children in the UK from the age of 6 to 17 in the autumn; as a means of giving the UK near complete protection from the pandemic over the winter months: Excepting that if the Brazilian or some other similar strain presents a problem a booster tweaked vaccine (which Oxford University is currently working on in preparation for the autumn) can be quickly and efficiently rolled out along with the usual seasonal flu vaccines.Germany lags behind very much in protecting its population. While almost all nursing homes are safe now, general population is waiting.
So by now we have growing unrest about lockdown measures being unnecessary if Germany had not been shy in getting vaccines out to the people.
It seems that G. stepped back in the EU on purpose while negatiating vaccine quantity deliveries. G. on purpose tried not to show strong muscles to not offend others in the EU. There is strong public discussion going on now.
Meanwhile, there is a new discussion coming about the social mapping of the Corona fallout. Questions like: Being poor makes you more susceptible? Correlation of fatalities to living quarters, living conditions, household size.
Do you have these discussions also going on in other countries?Yes, I’ve heard on the News of the problems the EU are having in their vaccination rollout; well behind the progress being made in the USA and UK.
The UK has got something right for once, and (thanks to the NHS) is doing exceptionally well in the vaccine rollout; as of today (6th March) over 40.5% of the Adult population now vaccinated: And we are beginning to see the benefits with ‘new cases’, ‘Hospitalisations’, and ‘Deaths’ all now falling ‘rapidly’ by the week.
With the good progress being made the general public in the UK are broadly supportive of the Government in its plans to be cautious and wait until the 21st June before ending the lockdown and returning to normal life.
The sort of questions you raise in your comments are being discussed at an academic level in the UK, but is not of any great concern in that (unlike many other countries) the take up for vaccination in the UK have exceeded all expectations; over 97% of people being offered the vaccine are taking it.
The only areas of concern in the UK is that there are small pockets of ethnic minorities where the take up for the vaccine is poor due to the spread of disinformation by anti-vacs groups on the Internet, and for some reason only 50% of care staff in elderly care homes are willing to take the vaccine for the same reason (disinformation) e.g. carers don’t need to be educated like nurses do, and tend to be from less educated backgrounds.
Nevertheless, these small pockets of ‘ignorance’ in the population are only a small percentage of the total UK population. So overall, 97% of people being offered the vaccine are accepting it; which will help to build up herd immunity in the UK far quicker than the experts could ever have wished for.Nigeria is yet to take off on the promised vaccination. But I would not say soon or later. The whole thing is still being politic. But fear about the vaccine is talked about and discussed.
Yes I did hear on the news that WHO under their COVAX was to send an assignment of vaccines to Nigeria in the near future.
Yesterday, the President of Nigeria and his Vice receive first jab of coronavirus vaccine. The rest of the population will follow later.
Our Prime Minister faked the shot. I am with him. Many People have no idea what is in these vaccines.
I know exactly what's in the vaccines, it's all listed in detail on the NHS website; so it's no secret.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) revealed that only 6% of people number of deaths caused by COVID-19. About 94% were by other causes of death.
There is 31.000 deaths from vaccinesI would not trust the leading cause of death in the world
The medical professionYou've been misinformed or you've misunderstood the facts.
For clarity; the Covid-19 virus does not kill directly, it kills indirectly; in most cases it's your own bodies immune system that kills you as it over reacts in an attempt to try to rid the body of the invading Covid virus.
Consequently, those most at risk of dying from Covid are those with a weakened immune system, such as the elderly, or those with existing medical conditions such as obesity or diabetes etc.
That's why the phrase used to describe Covid-19 related deaths is "people who died within 28 days of testing positive of Covid".
For your information vaccines do not kill; although there are plenty of 'fake news' on the Internet, being pushed by the anti-vax group that does publish lies about vaccines to scare people into not getting vaccinated.
I don't think Casttle Paloma can be misinform with 'fake news' syndrome. Imho, he likes to be weird and create a weird scenario.
45% of adults now vaccinated in UK (14th March); mostly with the Oxford University vaccine.
So new cases, hospitalisations and deaths now declining very rapidly by the week, with the UK Government on course to meet its goal of completely lifting all lockdown and Covid-safe restrictions by the 21st June; so that we can all return to normal life in the UK by the summer.This is so wonderful to hear. Light at the end of a tunnel.
Yep, the USA seems to be about a month behind the UK e.g. about 20% of adults vaccinated; so some light at the end of the tunnel on your side of the pond too; albeit, a bit worrying that some States are opening up their economies prematurely, which could lead to another spike and further deaths before its all over.
However, I do feel sorry for the EU, where they are still struggling with their vaccine rollout.Tell me who does not expect the light? Every one does.
covid immumity is kicking in, like most viruses. Our death rate in my province dropped from May of 65 deaths to one more up to today 66 total . No vaccines needed.
Wait to the side effects of the vaccines kick in.How so wrong you are; wait until the Brazilin, South African and UK variants become dominant in Canada: Then you'll wish you had had the vaccine. You have not reached herd immunity in Canada yet e.g. Canada has so far got off light compared to how the pandemic has ravaged countries like the USA, UK and large parts of the EU.
When population goes up more than double from Year 2019 to 2020 in the US, UK grew too. All these nonsensical numbers tbat do not add up. Is like chicken little as President panics wild. I am more concern about chickens that are three times the biomass then all the wildlife birds combined. For a bird flu soup.
Most Americans don't want the vaccines. I am sure the power of destruction can do what ever they want. They can bring those people who have Imo to their knees by stopping their employment. Or ridicule them all the time like they do with me. Or have character assassination everywhere they go. They have the total control of the multimedia to repent to them like Polo's dogs. If not agreeing still, bring in the robot cops to wrestle them to the ground and have them begging for the vaccines.
Not me! they are going to have to kill me. Or I'll poke them in their arms several times with their own medicines
Don't tell me I did not experience from May of 65 deaths today update of 66 death total . No vaccines needed. Why would not work?FYI, I am educated in science and statistics, and other academic areas, all with qualifications up to just below university degree level. So I do understand the data and statistics (what you call ‘nonsensical numbers’), and I can assure you that they do add up; once you understand them.
Also, do I need to keep reminding you that Europe and the UK is NOT like the USA e.g. unlike the USA, we do not pump artificial chemicals into our livestock; that is why most USA meat, fish and poultry food products are illegal across Europe and in the UK.
Yep, I know that there is a high resistance against the vaccine in the USA, and likewise, a high resistance to the vaccine across the EU too. However, in contrast 97% of the British public are keen to have the vaccine; and now, with almost 50% of the British adult public vaccinated, we are beginning to see the real benefits of herd immunity.
As I said before, so far Canada hasn’t been hit by the pandemic like the USA, EU or UK, so you have been lucky with how few Covid related deaths you’ve had in Canada. However, as I previously said, if any the more nasty strains of the Covid virus sweeping across the UK, EU and USA reach Canada then things could change for the worst. At that point, if did catch covid and you’re one of the ones who become badly affected by it, then you may end up regretting not taking the vaccine when you had the chance.
CastlePaloma, yes, the vaccine side effects already streaming in:headache, pain, stiffness and more. But I'm much worried about the hidden long-time side effects. In my locality compare to yours, I've not seen a sick or person that died from covid19. The Atlantic seaboard where I live seems to offer a fine natural immunity.
Wait til the long term side effects happen and they will. Like just about most vaccines and legal drugs do, especially when they have been produced overnight.
Legally, a drug is not produced over night as the covid19 vaccine. But should that happen, the drugs had to be push thorough long-time tests. The vaccine for covid19 fail this thereby making the law an ass-hole. All the same the. WHO the regulatory agency seems to keep a sealed lip.
In the UK where I live, I know of lots of people (friends, and their families) who have died of Covid; so the vaccine, is saving lives in the UK, and is most welcomed. Also, if you had a better scientific grasp you'd understand that all they misinformation about the covid vaccine being dangerous is lies spread by anti-vaccination conspiracy groups who deliberately want to discourage people from taking the vaccine.
In reality, the Covid vaccines have taken the same stringent testing that is demanded of any new drug; the only difference is a lot more recourses (money) have been poured into the testing, than normal, so that the process of testing can be speeded up and done within months rather than years e.g. enough money to run phase III trial of the vaccine by paying for the cost of enough trial vaccines and testing it on enough volunteers in a much shorter time period. Many countries have contributed to the added costs to make this possible in such a short time period e.g. the USA 'Warp Speed' programme, the UK's similar programme, Germany, Australia, China and Russia etc.
The other factor that has helped to speed up the vaccine trials is the fact that the vaccine could be tested in the middle of a pandemic, so a good opportunity to test on mass scale how effective the vaccine is; whereas, normally, with many other vaccine trials there isn't just enough infected people to test the vaccine and get quick results at scale e.g. testing on lots of people to ensure the vaccine is safe and effective.Authur, thanks for the feedback. Like you I had an advance science education. But one with a scientific mentality should CONTINUE to inquire about new development, right? That's my mindset as regards to the post I made. More over, you gave a digestible process of research carried out for the vaccine to arrive. I've compared this to the 'normal' process. I believe the covid19 vaccine has receive an excellent test to save humanity. Incidentally, I've not seen the polio or mealse vaccine brought havoc on my family and people. Thanks to the scientific breakthroughs that birth the covid19 vabines. And thanks also to the many scientists, countries, and others that make the dream real. God is out to save the world via, the very creatures of his very hands.
Yep, you are right, it is important to continue to inquire about new developments; and that does happen: Scientists are sceptical by nature; something the general public tends to fail to understand e.g. when the general public (and the News Media) see articles published in for example ‘New Scientist’ they think it’s been accepted by Scientists as ‘fact’; but in reality most of what you see in scientific journals like ‘New Scientist’ is ‘Published Research’ seeking ‘Peer Review’. Peer Review being where scientists from around the world scrutinise the work of others, with the intent of trying to ‘disprove it’ (prove it wrong); any good research should include “falsifiable predictions with consistent accuracy across a broad area of scientific inquiry”. If under ‘Peer Review’ the Scientific Community cannot disprove, or discredit, the new research, then that research is generally accepted by the scientific community as being ‘factual’; and thus scientific advancement is made cautiously on a solid foundation of well proven facts.
Authur, thanks and your most welcomed. I hold the peer-to-peer review as a practical field not only in scientific field, but in all endeavour of life, teaching, and learning. I recalled here that while doing a research online, my professor had me go through peer review, and I found out you cannot take certain things for grant. That being said the covid19 vaccine is really a scientific breakthrough for the world. Stay safe!
Arthur, really good news. Your vaccination program seems to work as daily numbers go down.
I am afraid, i can´t say the same for Germany. While fatality numbers are fairly low, the vaccination program is a pain in the a..
Germany is still hiding behind European Union purchase agreements, which means low guaranteed delivery of vaccines and no additional purchase on the free market (as small Malta did).
As if this is not enough, currently Germany has joined other Scandinavian countries and stopped the Astra Zeneca vaccine (under scrutiny because of supposedly low, low, low propability of blood clogging).
My old management experience tells me that in production the pull principle works best. In this context: Have enough vaccines available and the effective organisation of how to vaccinate will follow suit.
Not so in Germany: Vaccination centers are all set up, all are waiting but no vaccines. In every organisation this leads to self employment. And yes - our state run vaccine administrations come up with new rules every other day.
Germany´s good health care system prevents a lot of damage. But the vaccination process is a total disaster. People start to see this while comparing to other countries (Israel, UK, even theUS). The blame game is on: How much economic damage due to extended lockdowns could have been avoided, if vaccination programs were more aggressive.I hope the rollout becomes smoother. Here in the US, it had some real lags. However, once got better over the weeks. It will be interesting in the years to come to see what we could have done better all around.
Yes, we've seen on the News how one EU Member State after another (like a domino effect) have rejected the Oxford University vaccine, at a time when it's most needed in the EU; just crazy. Especially considering there isn't any real evidence, just speculation on the flimsiest of observations e.g. more people get blood clots in the general public than people who have had the vaccine; and besides, Covid-19 itself is responsible for causing blood clots.
It is just crazy, what is happening in G. and part of the EU. Rejecting and delaying of a prooven vaccine just out of speculation. Making something scarce even more scarce.
Other odds: I had taken my old parents through the vaccination process in our counties vaccination center. That was an excellent example for Parkinson´s law in an organisation that plays with itself due to lack of products.
Station 1: Preregistration, Check and confirm scheduled date
Station 2: Registration, show passport, handout of paperwork
Station 3: Do the paperwork, self disclosure of related medical data, medication information ..
Station 4: Medical registration, collect the paperwork
Station 5: Inspection/Interview by vaccination doctor
Station 6: Get the shot (nurse)
Station 7: Mandatory rest for 15 minutes in a waiting area to find out about immediate side effects.
Of course all steps/stations were set up in significant distance to maintain the distancing bubble. My 98 year old father with arthritis in all joints/bones had to walk at least 200 m inside the facility. And that was no round trip. You enter on one side and you exit on the other side. For those 80 year plus it was a good exercise of half a kilometer walking.
Unbelievable, i had done the application online. But there was no way to do the paperwork online in advance. Phoney excuse: Digital data integrity
May it is the typical German way, but my observation totally reflects what organisations do when running idle. I am sure that the process would look different, more streamlined, less red tape if the throughput had to be much higher. I hope other countries do it more efficient. Well, do they?My primary health facility emailed me and said the vaccine was available for my age group. I made an appointment by phone that day for the next Saturday (the day they scheduled for all their vaccinations). On Saturday I walked in, gave my name and waited for about 10 minutes (with separation from other "waiters") for the vaccination. Waited 15 more minutes (again with separation) for possible adverse reactions and walked out. They also gave me an appointment time for the second shot. Total time; less than 30 minutes.
I now see that two major drug store chains are giving them in my area, along with both hospitals and many clinics. In addition, 3 stores (both with pharmacies) are giving them as well. It appears that America is doing far better in this regard than Europe is.Actually, our experience in the UK was similar to what wilderness described e.g. when we had our letter from the NHS telling us the vaccine is available for our age group, my wife phoned to make the appointment, date/time and place; and on the day, at the appropriate time, we just walked through the vaccination centre very much like wilderness described (see video below).
However, for those who are house bound, the NHS will send a doctor or nurse to your home to give you the injection; or if you are too frail to travel to and walked through one of the many vaccination centres, you can request to wait a little longer, and be vaccinated by your own doctor's surgery e.g. in the UK everyone is registered to a local NHS doctor's practice which is usually within just a 10 minutes walking distance from their home.
Below. This is the vaccination centre we attended, and this is how they did it:
Ashton Gate Stadium NHS Vaccination Centre – Where to come and what to expect https://youtu.be/isLdG6AbeXE
Chris57, during the coronavirus pandemic Germany, was on a better state as regards the control of the virus. But I'm sorry to see she couldn't push through the vaccine programme. That compare her to Nigeria. Sorry again.
UK MILESTONE
Yesterday a record breaking number of people were vaccinated in one day in the UK, and that also happened to be 1% of the British population vaccinated in just one day; no mean achievement.
But Also, today (20th March) is a milestone in that more than 50% of adults in the UK have now been vaccinated against Covid-19; so the UK is getting tantalisingly closer to herd immunity; which some reckon maybe around 70%, but time will tell.UK Milestone
With over 53.8% of the UK adult now vaccinated, and consequently, with Covid-19 related deaths in the UK at a low rate; statistically, the death rate in the UK yesterday (23rd March) was lower than the previous five year average for the first time since the pandemic: A good sign that with such a successful vaccine rollout, the pandemic is coming to an end in the UK.UK Milestone 29th March: Road to Recovery
The UK has been in total economic & social lockdown since 4th January.
Today marks the first day of easing of lockdown restrictions e.g. the order to stay at home is lifted and for the first time this year people in England can travel the length and breadth of the country to meet loved ones, family and friends; although the request for people to work from home (where possible remains in force). Albeit, it is still illegal to cross borders e.g. illegal to travel from England to Wales.
Nevertheless, with 57.2% of adults now inoculated against covid, and deaths from covid having plummeted to a trickle within resent weeks, the Government is still on course to lift ‘ALL’ restrictions by the 21st June, and for the UK (post pandemic) to return to normal life.It is a welcome news. Every one stay safe...still wash hands with soap and water, use 60% alcoholic based sanitizers, wear the face mask, and all 'dos' to stop and spread infection.
Keep your so safe so when your body immune systems has not had enough plactices fighting off other diseases and virus. When something hard comes along your immune is not ready and you freaking die.
https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUloAs usual, your understanding of science is flaky, and your understanding of the immune is too simplistic, and flawed; likewise, the chap in the video is talking nonsense.
Yep, people do need to build up immunity by exposing themselves to dirt (germs) e.g. people who constantly disinfect their house and kitchen all the time are more prone to illness.
However, just because you build up resistance to common everyday bugs does not give you protection against covid or the superbugs often found in hospitals; they can be just as deadly to you as anyone else, regardless to whether you’ve built up a good immune system for common everyday bugs.
FYI, your resistance (immunity) against specific bugs is where you’ve been exposed to that bacteria or virus in the past, and consequently, your body immune system have created anti-bodies specific to that bug.
But what you don’t seem to understand is that for each disease (bacteria/virus) a different anti-body is required. So it doesn’t matter how good your immune system is in fighting off day to day bugs; if you’ve never been in contact with covid then you will not have any anti-bodies in your body, so that you do not have any automatic protection, and potentially could become seriously ill or die from covid if you come into contact with it.
That is where the vaccine comes in; the vaccine stimulates your body into making anti-bodies specific to covid; so that it you do come into contact with covid, your bodies’ immune system does protect you.Taking complicated topics then simplified simplified and simplified is what my super power of sticktoativeness dose best. You haven't dug as deep into the green work ethics and experiences to see my point of mainstream is more unhealthy.
I've traveled over a 100 countries about (60 third world countries) been exposed to every new virus you can not imagine. Worked in every kind of terrain on earth. Build eco houses or artworks in deep jungles, rainforest, desert, Arctic circle, volcano and kayaking 1000s of km. With basic cleaning up and with a strong sense of biodiversity .
Not one overnight hospital bed since birth, until a few years ago, I caught a virus. Then went into a hospital and came out with a heart surgery that could have been avoided according to my holistic medicine men. They knew what the virus was, where these mainstream doctors had no clue. I will never make that serious mistake again. Covid is already in our bodies. Yet just like my healthy plants that have strong immune resistances to all kinds of bugs and diseases for maximum life span and quality existence.So: Like you, I’ve never needed hospital treatment all my live until earlier this year (and when I was rushed to hospital in an Ambulance in January I was grateful for the NHS treatment I got, because it saved my life).
Like you, I’ve been impervious to most bugs (bacteria/viruses) I’ve come in contact with; with the only exception being tonsillitis in the 1990’s which was quickly cured with a course of penicillin.
So you do not hold a monopoly on being fit and healthy; there are a lot of fit and healthy people across the world, including in the Industrialised nations.
And you are wrong in your last statement; you cannot state that “Covid is already in our bodies”; because FYI in the UK for example, because of Covid Restriction imposed by the Government e.g. Social Distancing, mask wearing, shielding, shutting down the economy, less than 10% of the UK population has ever been exposed the Covid virus. In the USA, that exposure is much higher, but in Canada (where you live) the spread of the virus has been quite low to date, so the vast majority of Canadians have never been expose to covid, and therefore will not have the antibodies to give their immune system protection.
Besides, because the virus is mutating, there are an increasing number of people who previously had covid, who are now becoming ill for a 2nd time because of the Brazilian variant e.g. the bodies antibodies for the original variants of covid is no guarantee protection against the Brazilian variant.
So if you continue to be cocky (arrogant) about your immunity against Covid, and other serious illnesses, then it’s only a matter of time before you become a cropper.https://www.google.com/search?q=Youtube … ULZXs,st:0
The Queen is like the Rothschild or Rockefeller in the sense as. They don't care who makes the laws as long as I control the money. In the Queen case she owns the land.Most of what you read about the Rothschilds & Rockefeller on the Internet are all from conspiracy theories (fake news), just as your claims of Bill Gates and the WEF are conspiracy theories (fake news). For as long as you continue to feed off of these conspiracy theories, rather than coming out of the rabbit hole and seeing reality, you'll continue to talk nonsense.
FYI the Queen has NO Powers, she does NOT 'RULE' She Reigns.
I don't think this is you Castlepaloma...and how dare you? I assume you are yet to get a thorough basic understanding of the covid19 pandemic. Seriously, every person- boys and girls, men and women were still schooling to prevent disease, and transmitting same. The covid19 pandemic is urging the world to develop the immune stytem, hence the invention and applying of the vaccine. I still submit to all the conventions of preventing a contagious disease or virus...wash hands with soap and fresh water, etc whether I'm infeccted with a disease or note. That said, I don't wish to debate with now. But I would like you to do a scientific or orthomolecular, etc on preventing and eradicating the covid19 virus.
You can not eradicate or cure a virus or diseases, you can treat, reduce or completely control them.
Bill Gates the champion of fighting AidsHIV in Africa ..where African . people dying from HIV has increased fourfold since 1990
Bill gates He warned that an upcoming pandemic could be 10 times worse and that humanity is not prepared for it. He also insisted that people must learn the lesson that COVID-19 is giving us, according to a quote from the RT portal to an interview with the tycoon for a German media .
According to the billionaire, "we are not prepared for the next pandemic," in the same way.
Bill has 6 covid vaccines coming out this spring
You got to love this man.....
To death...Your statements are so wrong; FYI smallpox was wiped off the face of the earth in the 1980’s; what’s that if that’s not eradicating a virus. If you’ve ever had tonsillitis you’ll know that a course of penicillin will cure it.
Also, your obsession with Bill Gates is all fed from ‘conspiracy theories’; there is no substance in what you say, and Bill Gates is not developing 6 vaccines; all that is just lies (fake news). I suggest you spend some time studying the covid vaccine developments from reliable sources such as Wikipedia, rather than misinformation found in ‘rabbit holes’ (conspiracy websites).Human know very little about our own bodies we carry 15 trillions cells Viruses keep recurring on the planet and in our bodies under certain conditions. Yes, you can eradicate a virus from infection yet cell can mutation tranform again into something simular .
The most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all coronaviruses is estimated to have existed as recently as 8000 BCE, although some models place the common ancestor as far back as 55 million years or more, implying long term coevolution with bat and avian species. About 70% virus come from animals as we greatly mistreat our other species on earth.
Alot of this mainstream stats are so corrupted they try to eradicate alternative strategies and knowledge for more for their club.Your scientific understanding of viruses is somewhat obscured.
FYI viruses are the oldest and simplest form of life on earth, albeit viruses are not actually a life form, they are a halfway stage between organic and inorganic life. Unlike Bacteria which is organic life, and the granddaddy of all life e.g. the oldest life form on earth.
The thing about viruses is that they cannot survive on their own; they need a host in which to multiply and co-exist.
It’s not in the viruses interest to kill the host, because to do so, results in its own death.
Therefore, over millennium viruses do form symbiotic relationships with the host; a prime example being the variegation in the colour of tulips and the leaves of variegated plants is a direct result of a symbiotic relationship between the host and virus.
However, occasionally, viruses do jump species e.g. coronavirus from bats to humans; and when they do jump species they are not suited to live in the new host e.g. the human’s immune system become over reactive, and kills the person in an attempt to kill the virus. That’s when such a virus, like Covid-19 become deadly (a pandemic). And hence the need to take measures to limit the spread of a deadly virus until such time as a vaccine can be developed to control it. And if you can’t understand that simple fact, then ‘ignorance is bliss’????I find bliss is a state of well being a higher vibrations than even happiness that can be short lived. As an artist/ builder I spend most of my waking hours of my life in a state of bliss.
I'm not against vaccine it works sometimes, mainly i don't trust many types of groups and individuals handling like Gates heading it up. Natural immunity is longer-lasting than the immunity gained by vaccines. As an artist and health nut I have always been ahead of my time in these practices, yet do make mistakes sometimes, then adjust it.
I did help make marijuana go through by my arts, yet, won't touch religion or politics. In Canada after 90 years of it being illegal. It was illegal once in every country in the world. Wail Cannabis is the most important plant in the world. Worst thing authorities do is put these pot users in prisons that ruin their lives. It seem you trust and love these authorities a great deal.
In Nova Scotia where I live and practice cannibals treatment that has helped my own life. A Nova Scotia man Rick Simpson had 5000 patients stage 4 and 5 cancer that recover 85%. Chemotherapy has only a 2. 3 success rate over 5 years. Cancer has increased 3 time greater percentage wise since I was young.
When I did non profits organizations we made 40% profit. I'm sure Gate knows how to do far better than that.
Bill Gates: My 'best investment' turned $10 billion into $200 billion worth of economic benefit. Gates echoed what he wrote in an essay in The Wall Street Journal last week under the banner "The Best Investment I've Ever Made,"
Investing in global health organizations aimed at increasing access to vaccines creates a 20-to-1 return.
"We feel there's been over a 20-to-1 return," yielding $200 billion over those 20 or so years, Gates told CNBC's Becky Quick on "Squawk Box" from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. "Firstly, Bill Gates is NOT heading up the rollout of the covid vaccines; you are inflating his role and importance.
Actually, FYI, research over the past 12 months is proving that immunity gained from the covid vaccine is far superior and potentially longer lasting than natural immunity.
FYI, great strides have been made in cancer research, and dependent on the type of cancer, and at what stage it’s detected, chemotherapy isn’t always the only answer, and the recovery rates are improving the whole time. For example, in the UK more than 80% of people diagnosed with cancer types which are easier to diagnose and/or treat survive their cancer for ten years or more.
Actually, your quote about Bill Gates isn’t from last week, it’s from January 2019 (over two years ago); and if you read the whole text, rather than quoting out of context like the anti-vaxxers do, then you will see that he is not making profit for himself, but that the money he put into the Foundations were ‘donations’; and none of the money goes back to him but is reinvested back into the foundation. The foundations are not-for-profit-organisations to help fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, and the Global Polio Eradication Initiative; all noble causes.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/worl … virus.html
Nothing about Bill Gate/Monsanto food producers and pharmaceutical/vaccines is nobel. He is the 2nd wealthiest man in the world and is a front man of secrets societies. Gates is as fictional as batman dark laboratory who extremely wealthy, yet pretends to help the poor. A superman from another planet would be more realistic. All smoke and mirrors. For you supporting all these billionaires is always more for them and always less for us wail continuous killing the species and this planet
Don't know much about FYI. Yet the sound of the UK green zone sounds like a healthy project. Canada is among the top healthiest countries in the world. Our urban farmer is a healthy movement yet slowed down with threat of mandating vaccines for us to go back to the farmers markets.
Yet slowly taking over large farmings of Gates/Monsanto style of killing of mass amounts of people.Sorry, but your comments are just pure ‘Conspiracy Theories’; misinformation (fake news); you’re just too far down those rabbit holes, blinded by fake news to grasp the realities of what you are saying.
It's no rabbit hole. Its been my reality that's been building up for the last ten years. Regardless of the billionaires and trillionaires lovers, we will overcome and love them closer to death.
So how is it possible for the Gates Foundation to 'donate' to vaccine developers, and also to the regulatory bodies that approve them, for example, the MHRA?
How is the GF permitted to fund the WHO and thereby have control over international health policies?
How does GAVI, in Switzerland, qualify for 'diplomatic immunity' and be exempt from taxes on income?
Why is Bill buying up vast tracts of land in the US?
https://www.fool.com/millionacres/real- … -farmland/
Why is he taking control of seed production?
https://regenerationinternational.org/2 … eed-banks/
Why is he encouraging the use of a tracker for schoolchildren? While they are in school?
Wherever you look, there he is.
https://principia-scientific.com/who-in … -and-gavi/
http://aftinet.org.au/cms/node/1932
This is long but well worth the effort: https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/ Video with transcript.
"The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s fingerprints can be seen on every major global health initiative of the past two decades. And beyond the flashy, billion-dollar global partnerships, the Foundation is behind hundreds of smaller country and region-specific grants—$10 million to combat a locust infestation in East Africa, or $300 million to support agricultural research in Africa and Asia—that add up to billions of dollars in commitments.
It comes as no surprise, then, that—far beyond the $250 million that the Gates Foundation has pledged to the “fight” against coronavirus—every aspect of the current coronavirus pandemic involves organizations, groups and individuals with direct ties to Gates funding."
Not conspiracy, but actual facts.Imagine you had just as much money as Bill Gates. What would you do?
Help the world I imagine. But you may have good intentions, but what if somebody down the line thinks otherwise and want a piece of the cake for him/herself?
Personally, I like Elon Musk more than Bill Gates. But this is a stupid sentence as well as I don't know either of them.
Do you know Bill Gates, talked to him, wrote your concerns to him?
Conspiracy theories are easily made.
Put some facts together and make a conclusion. Like seeing UFOs. You might have seen something (The fact) but it was not an Alien Spaceship (interpretation and conclusion)
I Don't like Monsanto, Beyer or Nestlé to name a few. But Is it the CEO of Nestlé who is evil, his secretary, the people who work for Nestlé, the founder, the shareholder? The local mayor selling water to them for cheap?
It's difficult to finger point the evil/problem and my objection with conspiracy theories is that they are far too easy and too often are only based on superstition and suspicions.You didn't refute any of the points made, You just resorted to the wild 'conspiracy' accusation even though I provided proof of his involvement in every major and some minor country policies. This is not altruism. It's not even about making money. It's power.
And I don't care who you prefer.
The middle paragraph is just 'whataboutery'.
So, address just one point, even if you can't do the others: how come it is permitted that the Gates Foundation can fund vaccine producers and also give money to the regulators? Don't you think that's a conflict of interest?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mhra … ganisation
And that's just the initial one. It's an ongoing 'partnership'. He has his tentacles in every aspect of public life.
Superstition?
Give me facts, not woolly supposition. Prove me wrong."So, address just one point, even if you can't do the others: how come it is permitted that the Gates Foundation can fund vaccine producers and also give money to the regulators? Don't you think that's a conflict of interest?"
Maybe I'm missing the point, but I don't see that as a conflict of interest. If Gates were earning something, had some kind of financial reward or kickback from funding the research it would be a conflict of interest.
But when both the research and regulators have to happen to get a vaccine, I don't see a problem with the charitable funding of both. When the goal is to produce a vaccine then it obvious that both need financial help to accomplish the task.
Of course, if one simply assumes that anything Gates does is evil and that he is conspiring to make more billions off the people in the street (as Castle is doing), then it is very easy to declare that conflict.As I have said, he's not interested in the money - he has more than any human could ever want. The more he gives away, the more his fortune grows.
It's not 'charity', he's focused on dictating policy. He funds in order to achieve his preferred outcome. To put it in a kind way, he has a saviour complex.
I'm not sure why you cannot see that someone who has major influence over both vaccine producers and the regulators is a problem. Think VW and the emissions tests. He just about owns the WHO.
He's treated with such deference and not held to account by his 'partners'.
One man, having so much control over international policy cannot ever be a good thing.
Just remember the old (misquoted) adage, 'Power should not be concentrated in the hands of a few'. In this case, just the one.
I didn't go into all of your points because they are unrelated. One is about seeds, the other about vaccines and another about land (Didn't open this one as the page asks me a lot about user data etc. Didn't trust the page.)
To put all these links with different subjects in one post. And then giving a vague open question as to the interconnectedness is to me pretty conspiracy theory-like.
I can do the same with any famous person. To vague in my opinion.
As for the conflict of interest. Just like Wilderness, I don't see it. You give money to develop a product and you give money to distribute it. What's wrong with that?
Bev, you're welcomed to the discussion. I don't beleve your last two paragraphe can truely hold water in all cases. In my country Nigeria, with a population of 280 million peoples, 4,000 persons received the first shot! And these jabs are taken by the corrupt politicians and their friends. Can you imagine that? Could you agreed that the jabs is infleunced by the GF? I'm afraid not. African countries including Nigeria late has become very suspicious and critical of BMG Foundation. For example, Africa said to Bill Gate, 'Sir, I need a computer.' 'No, you don't. You need to eradicate malaria.' So a drug was develop to incubate female mosquitoes, that will transmitted infertility to human beings in Sub-Sahara Africa. Is that a conspiracy theory? Nope.
They aren't my words. They are quoted from the link above.
I found this link:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/07/cso … n-nigeria/
That's dreadful. People have no control over what happens to them. It's crazy. And, yes, on checking, the Gates Foundation is involved with the National Biosafety Management Agency, the one forcing this 'treatment' on the people. In fact it was the 'major donor' to this program.
http://nepad-abne.net/news/
D'you see what I mean? Everywhere some experimental program is being used, old Gates is right there.
Conspiracy, right? Saving the world? Okay.Bev, agreed that has a negative impact in case of the genetic mosquitoes? That's my pointer #2 in my response. Bill Gate and thousands of other individuals inclusive were financing the covid19 vaccine. That's a great way to control the pandemic. Even individuals like you and me are contributing our best to prevent spreading the virus. Seriously, Bill Gate is always at the fore-front of buyying any scientific innovation. But when that become a target of human destruction, he should solely accept the blame. Not a human mistake.
Having done some fact-checking on the points you raise Castlepaloma, (which wasn’t easy because the vast majority of websites on the subject are ‘disinformation’) I can understand why you are so cynical, and why your beliefs are so distorted from reality.
The problem in us so vehemently disagreeing with each other is that you are being misguided by the conspiracies theories; it’s not Bill Gates who you should be blaming, it’s the major USA Corporations who are behind all your woes.
As of January 2021, Bill Gates had an estimated net worth of US$163 billion, making him the third-richest person in the world. A false rumour that the coronavirus outbreak is a plot by Bill Gates is being spread by supporters of the pro-Trump QAnon movement and the anti-vax community. The most common accusations against Bill Gates is that he’s a paedophile billionaire who wants to block out the sun, implant chips into our brains, control the population through vaccines, and even remove the “spiritual” part of our brains; all of which are untrue.
Bill Gates Foundation investments with Monsanto and Cargill was in 2010 (over ten years ago); and as previously stated, the investments were not personal investments by Bill Gates, but ‘donations’ in the Companies. And I would agree with you Monsanto and Cargill are, as in typical USA Business Style, ‘bad apples’ that puts ‘profits before people’.
However, that is an American problem; thankfully, such things are illegal in Europe e.g. GMO crops are illegal across Europe, just as the artificial chemicals so commonly used in foods in the USA are illegal in Europe.
Whether Bill Gates was wise to invest in such Companies is questionable; but the fact remains, it’s not Bill Gates you should be targeting, it’s the Large USA Corporations of which Monsanto and Cargill are just two.
FYI: Monsanto ceased trading in 2018; it’s now been taken over by Bayer, a German Company, with higher ethics; although currently, it seems that Bayer might be regretting its takeover of Monsanto because of all the ongoing litigation against Monsanto.I think you'll find that Bill also has his fingers in the Bayer pie. But I'm glad you think he's a wonderful human being
What do you think 'donations' are? Do you equate them with putting a quid in a charity bucket? Because it doesn't quite work like that.
And why has Gates taken over where Monsanto left off? Why does he have a monopoly on commercial seed supply? And why does he think that he can do what the hell he likes in Africa and India?
https://grassrootsonline.org/in-the-new … e-of-food/
And GMO is coming to the UK soon.... https://sciencebusiness.net/news/uk-set … -organismshttps://www.google.com/search?q=gates%2 … K22LM,st:0
Yes this coincide of what your saying.
Its sad and funny how many people think Bill Gates is a wonderful guyYep.
This is a good account, by Robert F. Kennedy Jr, of how Gates has turned African agriculture into his personal cash cow, among other things.
It pretty much lays out in detail the global reach that Gates has.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defe … rmer-bill/Castlepaloma, Castlepaloma, eh eh eh, he he he. Were you really an artist as you claimed previously? Is the snake speaking with the donkey's mouth? Or a loud speaker sounding out of the rabbit. Really, I've notice you got soft with the ladies but hard m the men! Don't get me wrong.
Gates is associated with most secrets societies, sharks and snakes that ever crawled the planet, even Rockefeller.
Women are my spirit guilds they think with their heart and control the neck of men.
All told, the foundation now spends more on global health every year than the World Health Organization — not to mention more than most countries on the planet. The foundation is also the second-biggest funder of the WHO, after the United States, and a major contributor to other UN agencies and key global health players, like the Global Fund (which finances treatment and prevention for infectious diseases like HIV/AIDs, TB, and malaria) and the World Bank.'Women are my spirit guild. They think with the heart and control the neck of men.' I don't think they's an aion of truth in what you said. Grant the fact that women control the neck of men, should I take it that's why you're weird? I'm afraid not. It's great you gave NathanvilIe and I some headache. And it's also greater that we(individually) crossbheck facts, sifting the wheat from the chaff and come to a reasonable conclusion that tandem with logical scientific thoughs. Enough of Bill Gate and his foundation, or the WEF. I hope(Nathanvilli) is listening. FYI, the only part of my body that a woman can control is my dick.
The source of good intentions would be different in our two worlds or camps of perspectives.
Since women are more than half of the world population and the child is our continuous song of our lives. I put man/woman/child tops in my ultimate loves.
Where your bible sets up women worth half of a man.
Then that sets up Mother earth as a negative vibe that turns most of us into Motherf__kers.
2 camps, your supporting the greedy GMO synthetic billionaires club that make record profits from you not being healthy, they don't give a hoot about you.
My camp supports the world as my total family, every man, woman, and child. Every organism food and medicine for our most optimal important health benefits. Every thing we need comes from nature, Everything is beautiful in its own way, even the snake.
Bev, the link is enlightening. it's a welcome development. It spark my interests in biology and genetics. Thanks for sharing.
I sense our immune system is controlling the virus really well now,
The covid vaccines are inefficient because nobody has found patients Zero from China the original covid to understand the mutations in three wave now. . They are using the SARS related code. for its replacement for the original covid. That will not change a thing except, being like a sugar pill, may change some peoples mental state to treat themselves, yet more likely will create more problems.
Theraggededge; I’ve never said that Bill Gates is a wonderful human; I have my animosity about him, in relations to his old role as Microsoft Chief so I know he’s no ‘angel’. Nevertheless, the web has taken itself to crucify him unjustly. If you search the web on Bill Gates and his role in Monsanto or monopolization of commercial seeds in India and Africa etc., then the web is swamped with ‘disinformation’ making out that Bill Gates is the most evil man since Hitler; in spite of the fact that he’s poured $billions into good causes in poor countries. We may not agree with his approach and methodology, and the outcome may not always be a bed of roses; but if it wasn’t for the likes of Bill Gates there’d be far less much needed charity aid and funding reaching these poor countries.
The extent of the misinformation being spread by the conspiracy theory websites becomes obvious when instead of doing a Google Search on Bill Gates involvement with commercial seed supplies (in India and Africa etc.), which returns false statements that he has a monopoly in this area; you turn the question on its head and ask Google who the top seed suppliers are for these countries, you then get a completely different (and more honest) answer e.g. Bill Gates hardly gets a mention.
Yep, following Brexit (which was a mistake), and with a right-wing Conservative (Capitalist) Government currently in power, the debate (consultation) on the issue of GMO in the UK is on the table; but that doesn’t automatically mean that it’s coming to the UK; it may do in time, or certainly a limited form of GMO might, but in UK politics these things take time (often years), and if in that time public opinion against such a change is strong enough, it may never happen e.g. in the UK Pressure Groups and Campaign Groups formed by the ‘grass roots’ general public have a far greater success rate at swaying UK Government Policy, than Pressure Groups do in the USA. But time will tell.Yet you provide absolutely nothing to support your argument. Nothing.
Do post some links to illustrate the saintliness of Gates. Ask some residents of those countries who 'benefitted' from his charity how they feel having been forced to replace their indigenous crops with soy and maize. Please read the last link I posted - it's extremely well-researched. Then you will be qualified to dismantle my argument.
And you add a little Brexit whataboutery. Just think, if we hadn't left the EU, you'd still be waiting for your vaccine.
You need to know that the current Conservative govt is not 'right wing'. If it were so, it would be standing up for our freedom, not contemplating pushing covid passports (also known as 'social credit scoring') onto the population.
Edit: Google https://markets.businessinsider.com/new … 1029234223
Theraggededge; I think the point has been missed that it’s not a question of whether Bill Gates is a saint or not e.g. at worst, he’s only doing what most Big American Industry does, which is why farming in the USA is not environmentally friendly, and American food is packed with chemicals, including artificial flavouring, preservatives and colouring; that are banned in the UK and across the EU.
The point I’ve tried to stress is that the hype over Bill Gates involvement in the world, for better or worse, is over dramatized and blown out of all proportion e.g. unlike the claims being made by in this forum be Castlepaloma, and others, Bill Gates does not have a monopoly on food production in India and Africa.
For a number of years, as part of my interest in the ‘climate change’ threat, I’ve taken a keen interest in sustainable farming, and renewable energy across the world as possible solutions towards tackling climate change and the problems it brings. And in the years I’ve followed developments across the world to tackle climate change, not once has Bill Gates featured in the grand scheme of things.
Below, are just four major examples of Sustainable farming in Africa and India that does not involve Bill Gates:-
• Developing sustainable agriculture in Africa https://youtu.be/3scrELI5_iY
• Sustainable Farming Practice In Nigeria https://youtu.be/mFiED9Ym9TI
• Eco India: How can farmers thrive without using chemical fertilisers? https://youtu.be/NCyNPwD_MNQ
• Organic Village in India https://youtu.be/E0erpnkT6ro
BREXIT
Yep, I am fully aware that if we were still in the EU that the UK’s rapid progression towards getting everyone vaccinated would have been thwarted; notwithstanding that, it doesn’t alter the fact that the UK will suffer the consequences of leaving the EU for years to come.
POLITICs
Since when has the Conservative Government not been ‘right wing’; has anybody told the ERG or Sir Graham Stuart Brady MP (Chairman of the 1922 Committee)?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/worl … virus.html
Bill Gate is more on multimedia about the vaccines greater anyone I know. How do you keep being denier of his involvement with covid vaccines.
He even talks about the pandemic could be 10 times worst within 5 year. After we get over this one by the end of 2022. He would know. As Aid got much worst.You need to be careful with your facts. So; Bill Gates is one of the biggest financial backers to WHO and third world counties, like India, in back the development of the covdi vaccine; so what. If you read the report carefully, you will not that the two organisations set up by Bill Gates to help fund the R&D of covid vaccines are ‘not profit’; Bill Gates does not have any political control or financial gain from donating some of his wealth to a good cause.
Also, as I’ve pointed out before, most of what you’re quoting about Bill Gates ‘hidden agenda’ emulates from a conspiracy theory that has its roots in an innocent event back in 2015; and has no substance in reality.
Furthermore, the funding the article refers to is in relation to the third world (poor countries). FYI, The American covid Vaccines, Moderna and J&J were financially backed by the American Government (Operation Warp Speed), just as the Astra-Zeneca (Oxford University) vaccine was financially backed by the UK Government, and the Pfizer (German) vaccine was predominantly financed by the Germans. And likewise, the Russian Vaccine, which has since been approved by WHO, and which is now shortly to be used across the EU, was not financed by Bill Gates, but was financed by Russia. Just as the Chinese covid vaccines, which are being rolled out in China and across a number of countries around the world, including Turkey, wasn’t financed by Bill Gates, but was financed by the Chinese Government.
So your conspiracy theory that Bill Gates is trying to control the world through the rollout of the covid vaccines just doesn’t hold water.
I agree with your first paragraphe. But I still insisted on a scientific research to eredicate the covid19 virus, right? D'you believe in Bill Gate? Why don't you believe his vaccines? That means you're a diciple of conspiracy theory, and they's no truth in all you're sayying.
Gates would like our world population reduce down to 5oo million people and us to be totally dependent on power by nuclear energy. You can have him, I'll move another world and let a-holes be A-holes.
Many conspiracy theory have come true. All I do, is be aware of them, then go the other direction.
A diciples of conspiracy, lol.
Then we are all diciples of conspiracy because we all conspire positive and negative. Didn't the Romans conspire against Jesus. The Romans are back, and as usual, they want to own everything.D'you have the proof, the evidence that the Roman's conspired againrt Jesus? It's Judas Iscariot that conspired with the High Priest. When something's white, you're prefer to say it's black. Why? Enough of all this, right
Arthur, seems to go very well in the UK now. Death toll is almost down to statistically negligable numbers. What a difference to 4 weeks ago. The mass vaccination really played the trick.
Can you buy the Astra Zeneca vaccine free or is it still administered in the UK? Here in the EU and Germany in particular the Astra Zeneca vaccine still has a bad reputation. Many eligable and willing to be vaccinated resent the UK vaccine. Some like my wife are waiting for the Russian Sputnik V vaccine. It is just crazy what is happening in the EU. While G. may be able to afford the luxury of being picky, other countries like France or Italy really need fast and massive vaccinations.
Anyways: Well done, UK!Actually, the main vaccine distributed in the UK is the Astra Zeneca vaccine. Unlike mainland Europeans, people in the UK do NOT have any worries about using the Astra Zeneca, and are quite happy to take it.
Amongst the older population (the over 50s) there is very little vaccine hesitancies, so the vaccine take-up, so far, has been a staggering 97%.
My wife and I had the Astra Zeneca vaccine on the 28th Feb (over 60s).
The next batch of people to vaccinate in the UK are those in their 40's, and then 30's and finally those 18 to 29 by July. Then potentially, a tentative plan to vaccinate children in August; and to give the winter boost from September.
As of this year, 2,153 people whose personal wealth exceeds $1 billion. When combined, their wealth is greater than that of the poorest 4.6 billion people, many skyrocketing because of the pandemic.
Elon Musk, has pledged $100 million in prize money for technology that would best capture planet-heating carbon dioxide Jeff Bezos vowed to give out $10 billion to worthy climate initiatives. Bill Gates recently released a book on how to drive emissions to zero. Mainwail gates is partner with Monsanto. He wants a shift to synthetic beef, all power to nuclear energy and the whole world vaccinenated. Together, the three men have an estimated wealth of $466 billion and some of the biggest personal carbon footprints on the planet. All this spoken about at the WEF stage where Gretta gives punishment to the WEF and Paris accord for terrible reports of their targets. World Order keeps an easier elustion to fix the air because we can't see as well the open sewage rivers/seas or contaminate of the earth At least I feel safer with Bruce Wayne saving the world.
Sorry folk we have to save ourselves.110 months ago? Terribly boardering on criminal. Today? Great!
Yes it was the fastest pendulum swing I have ever seen.
We keep blaming it all on the excape goat Presidents, when its largest corporations are pulling the strings
Compared to most other countries, we in Australia have very little to complain about. There have been some problems with the vaccine roll out but as we have very few cases that isn’t as urgent as elsewhere. As soon as there are two or three new cases discovered outside quarantine a lockdown will be initiated until all contact tracking is complete and it is contained again.
Yep, the way the Australians have handled the pandemic is admirable.
Bravo! That's great. But Australia is a small country, compared to Nigeria or the USA. Dud, you're ever welcome.
UK Update - 16th April 2021
Over 61% of the UK adults now vaccinated against Covid, this includes:-
* 95% of all adults over the age of 50,
* Frontline Health workers, and
* people of all ages who are clinically vulnerable from covid.
Currently in the UK people in their 40s are being vaccinated; and in a few weeks it will be those in their 30s.
As a result of the vaccinations, the daily death toll from Covid in the UK has plummeted to just double digits, and is getting tantalisingly close to just single figures.
Consequently, the UK Government is still on course to easing the lockdown in phases, each this week saw the reopening of pubs (bars) for outdoor drinking; and the border between Wales & England has been re-opened. On the 17th May, drinking inside pubs (bars) will be permitted; and all covid-restrictions is scheduled to be lifted on 21st June (post pandemic).Only 15 to 100 billion doses to go worldwide. Let's open up the boarders!!!
Keep your mask on, don't cross the distancing line.
If it doesn't work, and so many die. The masks will disguise on who did it. Plus one can't sue them anyway.
It's so beautifully planed and perfect.There is no real “pandemic” Their actions are just not natural. Even if you take the numbers given out by the WHO and CDC, which are absolutely not to be trusted, its simular “ CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 45 million illnesses, 21 million medical visits, 810,000 hospitalizations, and 61,000 deaths during the 2017–2018 influenza season.
The activities of so call “elite” or “globalists” for nearly two decades and this has been long planned for as a type of false flag event in order to bring in a dozen or more globalist agendas.tbe central banks and politicians are in the midst of a financial reset? The financial and monetary system is in collapse.” its reached the end of their rope. The entire world, whether it be governments, businesses, or individuals are beyond the point of no return in terms of indebtedness. The“plandemic” was all a part of collapsing the system and blaming it on anything. In many ways, the 2020 crisis is no different from 9/11 which was a pre-orchestrated and planned false flag event to crash the system and bring in a massive reduction in civil liberties that continue on to this day.And you claim not to be a follow of conspiracy theories.
Only the reality ones that cross the line of my own physical and soul health. The vast majority of conspiracy are nothing or odd tiny bug bites
Sorry, but what you spout is no different to the lies spread by pandemic conspiracists and anti-vaxxers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-53997203Wow, no different than an QAnon: conspiracy theory that contends that President Trump is waging a secret war against Satan-worshipping elite paedophiles.
First, Trump owes me $10,000 and tried unionized my artist bs. Don't like labels or do they stick on me. I'm a tiny bit anarchist, don't subscribe to politics nor religion nor a street protesters for kicks. Not even remotely an anti anything, because against something always becomes part of the problem.
I just do my thing for humanity and all earthlings. Even the many holistic lifestyle people here, are so afraid to speak out due to character assassination at a record high all over the world map toward a one world agenda.So what…. You don’t have to be political et al to fall into the trap of believing the BS spouted by the conspiracy theory websites.
Contrary to your beliefs:-
• The world’s financial markets are not failing,
• The covid pandemic is not a rouse by Bill Gates, the 1% wealthiest people and the WEF to take over the world.
FYI:
• The $ is quite strong on the International Financial Markets.
• Stocks and Shares are buoyant (healthy).
Also, the UK economy is making a healthy comeback, as we come out of the pandemic; and other countries will do likewise, as the rollout of covid vaccines gathers pace.Arthur,
certainly true that there is not much about conspiracies behind all the Covid19 fighting.
But i would be very careful about the world economy and financial markets development. China is come out quite unharmed, but the developed west will suffer much more even after opening up the economy.
For more than a year economies have been struggling. Governments have spent billions to keep people from suffering. Because all countries did so, there is no imminent reason for exchange rate shifts. But it will not go unnoticed that much money was spent for nothing. With nothing i mean that there is no productivity gains in handing out money without countervalue.
So all our currencies are devaluating. We only don´t see it, because all do the same nonsense. Ultra cheap money from central banks only propelling this.
"Stocks and Shares are buoyant (healthy)": yes where else can cheap money go? It is alarming that companies buy back their own shares. Real estate bubbles are inflating.
In G. all legal requirements for companies to declare bankruptcy were posponed, due to Covid19. First we had a time limit until end of 2020. Now 2nd quarter of 2021. We shall see. But now everyone in G. has the excuse that it is all Covid19 fault. We have lots of Zombie enterprises now. They feed on ultra cheap money. Most are undercapitalized but have no problems in liquidity.
Most economies will have a short upturn, when the health crisis is over. But when economy picks up all the Zombies who where not competitive in real life, all these Zombies won´t stand it long in after Covid19 fresh air.
Qui bono? Most likely China, but certainly not Bill Gates, not a few billionares, not the Bilderbergs, not a financial mastermind. Did China ignite the mess? Yes and no. Did the world respond appropriately? Yes, some early but bureaucratically (G.), some late but strongly (USA, UK), some islands (AU, NZ) had isolating advantages in the first place.Yep, I concur with what you say Chris. The UK has a double whammy, Covid & Brexit; of which the full effects of both have yet to be felt, and certainly the GDP for the UK will not be as high as it would otherwise had been; but (as with wartime) there will be economic growth, so it’s not going to be the economic disaster leading to the ‘Great Reset’ as Castlepaloma keeps claiming. It will be a recovery not dissimilar to the recovery following World War II.
The situation the UK is in now, is not unlike the situation it faced in the aftermath of the Second World War e.g. heavily in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy. At that time, with hefty loans from the USA (National Debt) which the UK only just finished paying off a few years ago; and a massive spending spree by Labour (a Socialist Government) in the late 1940s (stimulating the UK economy into economic growth) the UK prospered; and in spite of all the current problems, the UK economy isn’t dead in the water, and will bounce back once the pandemic is behind us.You know how the world is going to change? . The world is going to change itself.
Working as an artist and partly in history museums. I get an intuitive (extreme logic) how it can unfold.
I'm ready for a couple more abusive waves to come,
how I was perpare like with
covid, 10 years ago. Do invision good times to come by 80% of the collective consciousness of the people as throughout human history. Just not by the Religious, politics or the 1%.
No putting words in my mouth.
Did not keep claiming the world will be set on the Great Reset’. Just said the covid will bring us onto our knees on an attempt by top world top political leaders and the largest business menbers of WEF They fail every 80 years from world war2 like the average lifespan of an empire.
Your in the ball park saying the recovery not dissimilar to the recovery following World War II. Why? Because the same people are behind world war 2, are doing it again.Really, the same people behind WWII & the Covid pandemic!!!???
I didn’t know Hitler was still alive; where is he, bunking up with Elvis, or is he in disguise as Trump!!!???I believe.Hitler was taking refuge somewhere in America since after the second World War! A woman sight him set up the Swastica, a year ago, to teach a history class. But as soon as she call on the head teacher, Hitler goes into hidding again.
The Rothschilds were the money supplier for both side of the World war. Rockefeller are oil, medicines and many many other things. .
The last real American President was JFK. Who talked and warned about secrets society and the US military Complex. He attempted to change the banking system. From then on, we have puppets who are Presidents of largest wealthiest corporations on earth. TRUMP can pound Tacos.
Hitler would make a great statue in Israel.Castlpaloma, let the Jews respond to your last paragraphe!
Israel is mostly white Zionist.
Had a long term girlfriend who was jewish. The real Jews would have much worst to say.(ZOG), sometimes also referred to as the Jewish occupational government (JOG),[1][2] is an antisemitic conspiracy theory claiming Jews secretly control the governments of Western states.[3][4] According to believers, a secret Zionist organization controls international banks, and through them the governments, in order to collude against white, Christian, or Islamic interests.[5]
The expression is used by white supremacist, white nationalist, far-right, nativist, or antisemitic groups in Europe and the United States as well as by ultra-nationalists such as Pamyat in Russia and various far-right groups including the Freemen, Identity Christians and the Ku Klux Klan.
The word Zionist in "Zionist occupation government" should not be confused with the ideology of Zionism, the movement for support of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel. As the conspiracy theorists chiefly name countries outside that area, the usage of Zionist in this context is misleading because it is intended to portray Jews as conspirators who aim to control the world] as depicted in the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Israel population is 80% ZIONIST of moreso.People, or reptiles like Bill Gates, Rockefeller oil and medicine Rothschild centro banking are all Zionist or orthodox jews, call them fake Jews
But you insulting peoples even president of a corporation?
Yep, Castlepaloma, that old conspiracy theory that the Rothschild’s control all the world’s banks; that theory has been well and truly debunked. I had an American a few years back who bought into the Rothschild’s conspiracy theories, and who was convinced that the Bank of England is controlled by the Rothschild’s. But of course it’s not, it’s just all fake news created by the conspiracy theorists.
Once your as big as Rothschild or Rockefeller, they can do anythings they want, off recorded.
Castlepaloma, it still doesn’t alter the fact that it’s a fallacy (conspiracy theory), and therefore untrue that the Rothschild’s control, or have any influence over, the Bank of England.
Hi, have not posted here in a while. Very discouraged at this point to see the WHO reporting COVID-19 infection rate approaching the highest of the pandemic so far. Here in Michigan, we are having astronomical rates of all the new variances. In the past two weeks our three large children's hospitals that are having a large increase of children of all ages admitted with COVID. The virus had not touched our children prior to this spike. The new mutations are affecting children, and it seems the media and Government are keeping this on the back burner... This is now all feeling very out of control.
https://www.aol.com/news/chief-says-cov … 06087.htmlInteresting, the report is not pulled off like where so many are.
Also City leaders said 752 people in El Paso tested positive after receiving the vaccine.
Texas who ban mandatory mask in march are having among the best recovering state in the US. where Michigan are among the worst.
President John Magufuli age 61,
A Covid-denying leader of Tanzania, was said to have died from heart failure. They have heart attack guns nowadays.
Is the pendulum starting to swing now?Yes already. And which direction next? I though it would be Canada?
Been preparing for the last 10 years. I intuitively pick Nova Scotia or Columbia to live in cause of a zombie apocalypse. Nova Scotia is about safest place in the world from covid. Canada is much safer than UK and US from covid.
Biden declared every American will be vaccined by July. He says vaccines are 100% safe "is basically 100% unquestionable, for every single, solitary American.”
Wait a second
The largest pharmaceutical J&J and of the one-shot vaccine, is now stop. I wonder if there a recall or refund on deaths caused, nope.Dud, you're okay, and you're welcome. Thank goodness, you're taking good care of you're health. Like me, you're a preventive agent. That you took precaution 10-years ahead is commendable. From observation. I wouldn't fail to add that the vaccine has ran into many issues. One factor for this is the uniqueness or individualness of a person. It's like as the finger print differ. You get it. One vaccine does it's work and had a side effect. I had not paid much attention to the puppet Biden. China has pour sand on his face, and I ask that he sent a BIG hawk to clear the small eaglets off the sky line of his friends. I'm glad the vaccine come on stream timely. It can do some good. Don't you realise not all had the mindset that you and I possess? I'm curious to hear the Jehovah Witness say his say so. Hope Authur(Nathanville) is within earshot.
I don't think what is happening in PNG per the covid19 infection is a yardstick for any other country. What happen there stays there. But we can learn from them.
Yes Sharlee, I know, a lot of countries are reporting that with the new variants, younger people in greater numbers are falling victim to Covid. The most prominent strain on Covid in the UK is the Kent (UK) Variant.
So far, through mass testing and tracing the UK Government (NHS) have managed to stop the African and Brazilian variants from getting a foothold in the UK.
Currently the Government is doing mass (blanket) testing in parts of London to try to eradicate a 'new' Indian strain of Covid before it escapes into the wider community, and spreads out of control.On the part of the UK government, the move is excellent. Eradicating an infection is significant to save the life of the people.
Coronavirus Is Empowering Dictators And Changing The World Order.
Whatever attempt from UK and Israel to fake their way to eradicate covid is totally futile and nonsensical. They can not hold employment and travel much longer and they know it. Its totally impossible to give the entire planet of 100s of billions doses of covid that will cover every human, pet and species on this planet. As you are aware that 70% of viruses and diseases come from animals including humans.I don't mind playing the fool. I'm weird and daughter is weird and certainly the world is really, really weird. As long as we do in the name of love and kindness plus don't harm. It will be the nerds, grass root individual and groups who will change the world for the betterment of human kind, not the bullies.
It may be hard for others to understand your point of view. Though weird as claim, every individual is unique.
Yes every mind and thumb print is unique and all beautiful in its own way.
I dare say that's the imprint of mother nature. You're okay. I'm okay.
Could not say that for Mother nature, she is smothered in foot prints all over her.
For all the ideas I can imagine. Best way that I could not step on her. Is buildings off grid tiny house communities 1/10 the scale as an adverage North American house. Rather than a wasteful grass lawn. For the same time and energy building rise beds organically, feeding a family of three. All recycle and giving back more to mother earth than taking.
Nope, you are so wrong Castlepaloma; contrary to your claim “Coronavirus is not Empowering Dictators and Changing the World Order”.
There is nothing fake about the vaccination programme in the UK; “the proof is in the pudding” e.g. those who have been vaccinated are no longer dying from covid; hence the death toll from covid in the UK has plummeted from over a 1,000 deaths a day at its peak, to just a trickle (almost down to single figure, and still falling).
And as the vaccination programme in the UK is working, so the UK economy is opening up again; and life returning to normal. So how does that “Empower Dictators and Change the World Order”?
UK eases restrictions, pubs and businesses reopen as cases fall https://youtu.be/JknQBolX3Zw
Also, you are over exaggerating the task in hand of vaccinating the entire world e.g. 100s of billions of doses are NOT needed: The world population is only 7.6 billion; and so far more than 2.5% of the world population has been vaccinated, a slow start, but it will speed up as more vaccines are approved and production for vaccines are stepped up (as is happening). It’s likely to take a few years to produce enough vaccines for the whole world; but it is an achievable target.In Nova Scotia Canada we have not yet had to wear masks outside even on the most crowded famous beaches. All public Restrurants and pubs have been open. It been 2 weeks away from a year ago now, of only one covid death. How come UK is just allowing masks outside and with all these vaccines they must wear mask inside till 2022? Texas has ban masks mandate with 100% filled baseball studium rarely anyone wearing a mask. Texas has the third highest covid recovery in the US. Michigan after many vaccines raised to it second highest covid victims since the covid 19 began. Or 19 pounds gained.
Why? Because much of the stats numbers are a lie. The wealthy are making record profits. Bankruptcy, suicides, and poverty are a record high. More for them and less for us and rising homeless everywhere.
When ever has there been? Global families and friends divided and conquer by the wealthy since the great depression dirty 30s?
The sugar coated Billionaires, never stop thinking of ways of killing the mass population. Also never did the US military complex best friends with UK and Israel. As US military, the largest corporation in the world found a no better weapon than bio warfare. Other the their constant deaths threats of nuclear wasted missile. Which of many pointed at China, the near next 21st century superpower, no doubt.Yeah, Canada has got off light with the Covid pandemic; and for that you ought to be grateful.
If you’d lived through the thick of the pandemic, as many countries have, including the UK, USA and EU (just to mention a few) then you’d know that the stats numbers are not lies.
Living here, I’ve seen with my own eyes, first-hand the devastation that covid illnesses and death causes. Not only close friends of ours, and their families, falling ill and dying of covid; but when I was admitted to hospital earlier this year (by ambulance), I’ve seen first-hand with my own eyes the effect the covid illnesses causes the hospitals. So don’t tell me there are all lies; because I’ve witnessed the devastating effects of covid first-hand, and for you to tell me what I’ve seen with my own eyes is a lie is an ‘affront’ (insult) to the realities of the devastation the pandemic is causing.
Wrong, as usual Castlepaloma. FYI mask wearing is mandatory inside (in public places) in the UK for a very good reason that it has been scientifically proven that mask wearing does reduce the spread of the virus; but of course you prefer to believe ‘conspiracy theories’ rather than scientific facts.
Also wrong Castlepaloma. FYI, as more and more people are vaccinated, so the restrictions such as mask wearing and social distancing is gradually being eased; with the UK Government’s intention of removing all such restriction potentially by the 21st June 2021 e.g. almost 62% of adults in the UK have now been vaccinated, and the success of the vaccination is event in that infection rates, hospitalisations and death from covid is falling rapidly by the week; something I can see with my own eyes, as I live here.
If you don’t believe me on how devastating the pandemic is in some parts of the world then why not spend a two weeks holiday (vacation) in Brazil?
Deadly variant fuels Brazil's COVID-19 crisis https://youtu.be/nnrgjFWjw1cAuthur, glad that you provide facts with evidence. In the part of my country where I come from, the pandemic is not so endemic as either in Washingtom or Bristol given percentage of the sick and death rates. But a state like Lagos and Ogun, and Abuja are seriously infect with covid19. I have to believe my ears and reads because the 3 states prompt the initial lock down of Nigeria. As the states from which an Italian business man infected Nigeria with, I dare not travel there to see how people are getting infect or die. Thanks for the common sense inputs.
We sure know the virus is latent in some people. In such cases, the persons in whose bodies the virus germinate kills them. The mask can't help such persons. I'm in my sitting room alone with windows and door open, and the celling fan on. The nearby Atlantic Ocean is blowing its cool wind over my house and territory. Seriously, I had my mask in my pocket in case I'll take a short walk and enter a Mall. You're bare for not wearing a mask. Although Nigerian has start vaccination, its insignificant just less than 1%.
The ground zero 9/11 is a well known event and doubtlessly well planned and executed. Some of the culprits for example, Osama bin Ladin, are death and others in jail, and in large. It is therefore, pointless to compare ground zero to covid19. I think the best comparison would be World War 1 or 11 in terms of death.
Its the same people who funded world war 2, as for all US presidents representing new world order over and over again today.
The 9/11 killed millions of poor people and cost financial more than world war 2 and they gave a President a nobel peace prize for it. In a very short time, just the US spent 2 trillion more than the total world war 2 again.
Same crap, same people just with blood as cold as reptiles. Sorry reptiles, you are far more lovingAgreed that the United States spent over $2 trillion, don't you think is for the welfare of the people? Or should she allow more people to die?
20th April 2021
Yesterday in the UK: Just 4 deaths from Covid in 24 hours.
UK Lowest Daily Covid Death Toll in Over a year (since the start of the Pandemic).
A Good Indication on How Effective the Covid Vaccine Programme is proving to be in the UK.It is interesting to note, last spring at this time it was the even a lower level. With temperature higher and people outside gave people feeling the covid will disappear. Also people are becoming more immune to covid yet you hardly ever hear about people having the flu any more. Yet least psychologically UK is doing better than the US. Because the covid is much more about psychological than it has to do with biological.
The mind is most is
the powerful to heal the body brother. Welcome to the end of the world. End of most of the corruption that created most of these covid lies.Castlepaloma, that’s BS, Covid is a real disease; the people in hospitals suffering from covid is not imagination, its real; as are the deaths. Therefore it’s not psychological it is biological; it’s just that you don’t like to admit that the vaccines work.
And no, you are wrong; people are not becoming more immune to covid, even people who’s had covid once are increasingly getting it a second time (the vaccines are proving to give much better and longer lasting immunity than just relying on the antibodies if you’ve already had covid).
And the reason you haven’t heard much about the flu this year is because the measures of social distancing and wearing masks, to reduce the spread of covid, has also helped to reduce the spread of the flu.By the dark letters, i see your deeper disagreement. You will get your wish with one more wave of mind control from your slave masters because too many of you heavily think this crap is so real . After that the collective consciousness ends the old world and creates a new world rather than by the useual suspects. Its already not happening in my world now.
Castlpaloma, it seems you like to expand on the conspiracy theory? But why is that?
I think your getting it.
This covid is just a disguise of what is really a collapsed of the old world order system. As IT has been dying for some time now. Towards a natural world order run by the collective consciousness of the people. No matter of what religion or politics.Nope, the covid pandemic is not a disguise for anything; it’s real, and it’s killing millions of people; something which you don’t seem to be able to grasp!!!!!!
And no the old world order system is not collapsing; that’s just a figment of your conspiracy theories.Authur, welcome to home again. Imagination and reality do have they places in life and are interchangeable. It's like saying either Trump or Biden is Hitler in disguise. Not on my life. But Castlepaloma is at his element in creating nightmare to making fun of realities. He's an art con. So I get his messages.
Yep, in the world of Quantum Physics (which is an interest of mine), often referred to as ‘Alice in Wonderland Science’, imagination and reality do seem to be interchangeable.
Schrödinger's cat: A thought experiment in quantum mechanics https://youtu.be/UjaAxUO6-Uw
However, this is not Quantum Physics, and Castlepaloma lives in a fantasy world (rabbit hole) that has little or no bearing on the facts e.g. his continued denial of the scientific evidence because it doesn’t fit in with his misguided beliefs.I get you. Just learn to relax, and destress.
I am a giver not a taker, a con artist cheats people. I just want a choice what gose into my body and want my travel and economy back over a virus that is less harmful than many others ways to die.
love biological topics all my life because we as humans are bioorganism first, everything else is secondary. Repented over and over to everyone I'm not against anything or one and antiVaxxer are. I'm not against you or even killing yourselves, we kill pets don't we.?
Castle means to protect and Paloma means peace. Covid is the greatest dividers and conflict we have ever experienced in all of our lifetime because the many systems are collapsing rapidly
The biggest difference between me and many who are on these posts. Is that they clearly don't understand a person like me who is not against anything. Being against someone or thing is part of the problem and not the solution. I constantly give solutions, yet if the persons mind set is against an events or the person personally they opposed it goes nowhere. Then ideas won't process or progress into solutions. Many here call me an anti vaxxer. There starts the endless vicious cycle of ideas stops, then over focus on being against the event and person that ends up solving nothing all over again and can't get out their mind limited box.
Some here pretend they know me, better than I know myself. Then shame me for not taking the covid vaccines nonsense. I very much dislike bullies.
A gang of bullies who love personal negative name calling for some body they don't like. As many here don't know me at all. I do me with no harm and you do you of whatever that maybe.
A bully is against someone he/she dislike or wants something from him/her. Many here want to bully me into a vaccine.
I said repeatedly I am not against anyone or anything, i want nothing from anyone except to be my harmless self. Many here have called me directly stupid, idiots, cu_t, douchbags, asshole, shameful, imbecile, mother freaking sh_thead, ignorance, and 20 other that are simply desrepectful and indecent words. It the lowest form of energy toward someone who believes in his health first
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Yes being worldclass in sport and arts for decades would make me a little freaky. No where near the ulgy freak show that many are so very hard headed about that follow like shleeps and sheep dogs. I lead with my heart, not my head. Most of the 1% are the predators dinosaur. I would be a big herbivores who is bigger, lives longer and for millions of more years. Just translate that to 94% of the biomass is plants and fungi that provides all the health and medicine we all need.That's it, odd world. My use of the word con is not name calling. Seriously, you're always odd and people find it easy to bad mouth you. D'you get me?
No worries, i don't think you are a bully.
I only need a a handfull of beautiful friends and family for my personal balance. I've been told I am brutally honest to a fault. Yet have moved new healthy industries around the world without credit. The bliss is the kingdom within is being able to create and give it all away. Working on my own filters system, taking life not so seriously helps.
23rd April 2021
Yesterday in the UK: The UK Scientific and Medical Advisors to the Government declared that in their opinion, based on the latest data, that the “UK is no longer in a pandemic”; albeit the Coronavirus is still around, but it is now at manageable levels.
As of yesterday (23rd April) 63.1% of adults in the UK have now been vaccinated against covid-19; and UK researched data published yesterday showed the following:-
• 3 weeks after just one dose of the vaccine, symptomatic infections of covid-19 fell by 74%, and asymptomatic infections fell by 57%, and
• After the 2nd dose, symptomatic infections fell by 90%, and asymptomatic infections fell by 70%.
Thus, not only has the covid-19 vaccines proved 100% effective in preventing hospitalisations and deaths, but they have also proved highly effective in reducing the infection rates e.g. the number of people who become infectious, and therefore not only is the vaccine helping to reduce the burden on hospitals, and save lives, but also, because it reduces the risk of becoming infected in the first place, its helping to break the transmission of the virus from one person to another.Arthur, does it mean that all anti Corona rules are off?
Like mask wearing, distancing, no crowd gathering?It was not a pandemic in the first place because population would decrease by 1 to 3%.
Yes they still have to wear mask and distancing because they have to control them like robots and zombies. They have an agenda set up, yet, in the long run, it will fail.Pandemic has nothing to do with decreasing population size; both smallpox and tuberculosis have been pandemics, yet neither reduced the size of population.
A pandemic is an epidemic of an infectious disease that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of people e.g. Covid-19 has killed over 3 million people worldwide.Smallpox where the worldwide death toll was staggering and continued well into the twentieth century, where mortality has been estimated at 300 to 500 million. What is covid today, 3 million 6 times the population. This number vastly exceeds the combined total of deaths in all world wars.
Best weapon United States ever had battling the native was smallpox mostly by accident and some on purposes. They could beat the natives at war, only the Mexican war. Its starting again except with the 1%.Yep, your conspiracy theory that the 1% wealthiest people have orchestrated the covid pandemic to take over control of the world is a crackpot idea with no substance.
And besides, to me 3 million is a large death toll; whereas you seem to think it’s insignificant and unimportant!
Nope, the UK Government is taking a very cautious approach e.g. they want to avoid another lockdown; they want this lockdown to be the last lockdown, so they are taking no chances.
Earlier in the year the UK Government has laid-out a route-map out of lockdown, which they are determined to stick to, subject to the data allowing it.
We are in the last phases of that route map, and still on course:-
The last step was on the 12th April when the Hospitality Industry e.g. pubs (bars), restaurants etc., where permitted to re-open for ‘out door’, table service only.
The next and last two phases of the route map laid-out by the UK Government are:-
17th May: the Hospitality Industry e.g. pubs (bars), restaurants’ and nightclubs etc., can all reopen for ‘indoor’’; then subject to no uncontrollable surge in the virus as a result of this step.
21st June: then all anti-Corona rules are off e.g. mask wearing and social distancing etc. will no longer be required.
Ever since the easing of the lockdown since Easter, the UK has given 5 weeks between each phase of the easing of the lockdown so as to enable an accurate assessment of the impact of the previous easing of the lockdown prior to easing the lockdown further e.g. to see what impact letting school children go back to school, and allowing all non-essential shops to reopen before allowing pubs to serve drinks outside. That way, if one of the steps had been too much too soon, then the Government could have slowed or reversed the process of coming out of lockdown. But fortunately, each step taken so far to ease the lockdown hasn’t caused cases to increase. So the Government is still on Target to ending the lockdown and all anti-corona rules by the 21st June.
Albeit the UK Government is planning to issue a booster jab of the covid-Vaccine from September onwards, if required; just in the same way that the annual flu jab is rolled out.One million populations, we just had a covid death of a 84 year old lady. This is the 2nd death in one year. Now we are all in total lockdown. It's about 5,000 people die of heart disease each year in Nova Scotia and many of them are held up for hearts surgery .
I am supposed to have a heart check physically every 3 month. Haven't had a heart check for 13 months now and it's by a phone doctor, in May30
Add on the other 10 other serious ways to death and find it difficult for medical help. All this is far more sinsignificant and unimportant! Than covid.
WHO Updated on mask.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/ … -briefing/
Mask wearers you just been sufficating and harming your health for nothing.Firstly, Castlepaloma, that video on WHO’s advice on mask wearing is out of date; it’s over a year old and was published at the start of the pandemic, at a time when there wasn’t the scientific evidence to support the benefits of mask wearing.
If you did your research properly (rather than sloppily, as you do) then you’ll learn that the advice from WHO on wearing masks was updated later in 2020, when the scientific evidence became available that showed how masks do protect you and do saves lives.
Secondly, the reason hospitals have had to cancel and postpone other medical treatment is because they’ve been overwhelmed in caring for covid patients’ because of the pandemic. If there wasn’t a pandemic then the hospitals would not be stretched to the limit saving lives of people suffering from covid.
So there seems to be a contradiction in your statement; either your local hospitals have been too busy saving the lives of people hospitalised with covid, and hence a valid reason why they’ve postponed other less life threatening treatment, or if your hospitals are not overwhelmed with covid patients, as you seem to be suggesting, then the local healthcare where you live isn’t run very efficiently!!!
#1: In the UK Covid has been the number 1 cause of death over the past year.
#2: In the UK our hospitals have been extremely busy dealing with Covid Patients; however, at the start of the pandemic, the UK Government built several new hospitals (called Nightingale Hospitals) specifically to deal with covid patients’, so as to take a lot of the strain off of the rest hospitals so that they could function more normally, and continue to provide a nearer to normal service: As demonstrated when I was rushed to hospital in an ambulance earlier this year, and ended spending three weeks in hospital recovering from a kidney infection. It just shows that in spite of the tremendous stress the NHS is under due to covid, they are still there to provide life saving treatment when needed.
Why Canada couldn’t have done that, especially considering that the covid infection rates in Canada has been light; suggests that the Canadian healthcare system where you live isn’t as good as it should be in the first place?
Inside NHS Nightingale - the world's biggest critical care facility; 4,000 bed hospitals built in London, England in just 10 days. https://youtu.be/vNfjvAJu5mcThen the masks make them more Hippocrates than they are. More big names are added to the push with WEF. They have no other way out of the collapsed currency system and debt.
All these deflection and distraction. Rdminds me of, all over the map 9/11. They did with yellow red, and orange code all about confusion and fear. Meanwail no weapons of mass destruction or no Iraqis on those planes.
The handling of Covid-19 is more transmission by wearing a face mask,
When President Donald Trump said he won't consider a federal face mask mandate,. It had all of us confused by late summer
Dr. Fauci said don't wear a mask. Our surgeon general, terrific guy, said don't wear a mask. Everybody was saying don't wear a mask,"
"All of a sudden, everybody's got to wear a mask. And as you know, masks cause problems being dirty and dropped everywhere. Even when a person has a certain illness that can't breathe, has to put on or will not be served.
Dr. Anthony Fauci said to the public not to wear face masks.
But Fauci, Adams, the CDC and the World In recent months, scientists have learned more about how easily this new coronavirus can spread in public:
-- This virus can be spread by just talking or breathing.Yep, you said it Castlepaloma, “This virus can be spread by just talking or breathing.” hence the need to wear a mask to stop the spread.
Yep, at the outbreak of the pandemic, no one advocated wearing a mask because there wasn’t the scientific evidence for it at that time; however, by the summer of 2020 the scientific evidence was there, and thus anybody with any sense e.g. the CDC, WHO and Dr Fauci followed the science and started to recommend wearing masks.
How Well Do Masks Work? https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904McDon't hear about the flu hardly any more because everything has turned into covid, a nasty flu.
Yep, you don't hear about the flu currently because the same measures that help reduce the spread of covid e.g. mask wearing and social distancing also helps to reduce the spread of the flu; but more effectively because the flu is less infectious.
You really don't understand how an immume system works much better. Carry on with the high jackers of the filthy wealthy
Actually, you’re showing your ignorance. FYI I did study ‘Human Biology’ at College and passed my exams to get the qualification in the subject; so I am fully aware how the immune system works. I suggest you listen to the professionals and not the conspiracy theorists.
I believe everyone can tell his own story about how masks work.
My personal take: No flu infection, no cold, no sneezing, no sinus problems for more than a year.
So mask wearing in public areas allows you to stay out of trouble, no matter Covid or other respiratory problems. Even if the Covid virus is defeated and no more restrictions, many people will keep the habit of mask wearing and distancing. May not be convenient but people realize the benefits.Arthur, I can understand and agree with you. To me mask wearing is as simple as F. Daniel health science or a basic biology science. That when a sick one breathes out, cough, or sneeze, it can be cantagious. Hence, the need to wear a mask at such period of the pandemic. The WHO, CDC, can update any of it's statements. It's like you make a theory that needs modifying. Science even when study as an art, is not static. It's a dynamic subject. So we have the new physics or the new biology, etc
The wealthy won't allow you to join their club.
You know that don't you?
keep helping them make their sales go sky high.
And less for us.
I can uederstand that. But wait...the WHO on common sense would not make the mask a mandatory subject. This would put the world body in a bad light. Remember how the body was critized in not declaring the covid19 epidemic a global challenge much earlier? This time, wisdow and prudence make her wiser. I do carry and wear a mask, not because of covid. But because the prevailing North East Trade Winds blowing across Sub-Sahara Africa since January. The trade winds carry much dust. Even before the covid mask was introduce, I use a bandana as nose protective. The Arab style Fulani/Hausa muslems turbaned their head againt the dust. That said, breathing some limit air still goes to do the body lots of good. Mask wearing is specially mandatory for health care workers especially in a period of epidemic.
A pandemic can affect population size by a very small percentage. And since the birth rate seems higher than the death rate, the reduction in population size is small but significant. Pandemic, war, famine, and any natural disaster or catatrosphe has not and will never reduced a population size.
When has a pandemic ever locked down an entire planet? Not even a spainish flu, smallpox or black plaques with per capita deaths 10s or 100s times more amount of people killed. Plus many other diseases and viruses killing us greater than covid today.
Castlepaloma, I suggest you research your history in a little more detail. FYI, large swathes of Europe, including London, were in lockdown during the black death:-
The Plague Village of Eyam, England: https://youtu.be/3-ACLPr-xkE
COVID-19 surge slams India: https://youtu.be/JYDUbGwEL8YHow covid cases are raising when vaccines are rolling out?
UK we will wait and see.
Don't like vaccines or prescription drug for all the many side effects.
This scientific world experiments will go down as the greatest sacred sacrifice of human history lives ever assumed and wail half cocked.
The US reported more than 61 000 cases of covid-19 per day in the past week, an increase of 12% over the average two weeks ago, even as vaccinations were increasing to about 2.5 million a day, according to the New York Times.1
Cases are high and rising in 26 states and are increasing in three other states that had a low number of cases. As of 28 March, there have been more than 30.2 million cases of covid-19 and 548 000 deaths in the US.Yep, it shows your lack of understanding of the issue. The big issue is one of herd immunity; until enough people are vaccinated to stem the flow of the virus then there is the risk of virus causing further waves of infection: As I’ve been trying to say all along, the covid virus is very infectious.
The reason the vaccination rollout is working in the UK is that we were in complete lockdown while the vaccine was being rolled out, in order to build up herd immunity from the vaccine protection before easing the lockdown; and returning back to normal life: And as the UK is near the end of that process, it’s testimony on the success of the approach.
In contrast, in the USA the various States have never been in full lockdown, people have never properly followed the social distancing rules, and too many Americans have refused to wear masks; so consequently the pandemic has always had a firm grip in the USA, making it impossible to stem the pandemic while the vaccines are being rolled out.
The other problem with the USA, which you don’t see in the UK, is that there is high vaccine hesitancy in the USA, so too many people in the USA who are at high risk are refusing the vaccines and consequently contracting covid as a result.
Whereas in the UK, over 97% of people in the high risk groups were keen to have the vaccine and thus have now all been vaccinated; giving them full protection; hence a dramatic drop in the covid death rate in the UK over the past month or so.
You have no understanding of the scientific process e.g. extensive data is gathered on people who are vaccinated to see what protection if any the vaccine gives them against (a) catching covid, (b) becoming ill from covid, (c) being hospitalised from covid, and (d) dying from covid.
The study done in the UK, shows that after three weeks from vaccination, not one single person who has had even just one dose of a vaccine has ended up in hospital or died; thus showing that that the vaccine in the UK is 100% effective in preventing hospitalisation and death.
The study in the UK of those already vaccinated has shown that 3 weeks after just one dose of the vaccine, symptomatic infections of covid-19 fell by 74%, and asymptomatic infections fell by 57%, in people who were vaccinated more than 3 weeks previous. And after the 2nd dose, symptomatic infections fell by 90%, and asymptomatic infections fell by 70% for those who have been vaccinated.
The scientific evidence does not lie.
Besides, for the covid vaccines, the only side effects are mild and temporary ones e.g. a sore arm, or feeling a bit woozy for a day or two; and that’s a good sign e.g. it’s confirmation that your immune system is being primed to recognise the covid virus. Albeit with a couple of the vaccines (the UK’s AstraZeneca, and the USA’s J&J) there is the speculation of blood clots as a very low risk, less than 1 in a million; which is lower than the risk of getting blood clots from covid, if you become infected with covid.This is one of the best practice to date. And I hope it extend to other countries.
Don´t know where the trailing discussion with refined sugar and life expectancy will lead, but for the time being the UK seems to be a good example of how herd immunity works.
In the early stages of the pandemic all infection rates (R-factors) in any country were in the max. range of 3. Statistically 1 infected spreading to 3 others. If you want to keep the pandemic controlled, what has to be done was to eliminate potentially 2 of the 3 people threated by 1 infected guy. This means you need a herd immunity of 2/3 = 67%, so the pandemic will not grow and eventually fade out.
The UK has apparently reached this level of herd immunity by means of mass vaccination. Only - now we have new, more infectuous variants making life miserable. The higher infection rates probability are characterized by higher R-factors than the early virus.
IMHO the UK is doing good in keeping the guard up and not allow unprotected gatherings. Otherwise the 67% is not enough. A R=4 will require some 80% head immunity.As regard the use of white or refined sugar, the more it is taken into the chop plate or any other manner of use, the greater it negatively affect the well being of a person for example, increased heart-diseases, and consequently, death can result via a heart attack. I agree with the later part of your submission throughly. The United Kingdom is my model of how to control and contain the covid19 pandemic.
A little glitch from my previous comment: R=4 will lead to 3/4 = 75% herd immunity requirement, not 80%.
Thanks for the update. Currently almost 65% of adults in the UK have been vaccinated, and the NHS have just started vaccinating people in their 40's; so we are getting there.
We know the covid numbers go down in the spring, still this spring is higher than last spring. Then to vaccination 75 or 80% the of the entire world.
Sorry the UK and Israel had to be first people by well trusted empires and secret societies. Lol.No we don’t know that covid numbers go down in the spring; that was a mistaken assumption made by many world Leaders last spring, to their cost e.g. the infection rates actually increased in the USA last summer because the lockdown was eased on the incorrect assumption that Covid was seasonal; and if you look at countries like India and Brazil the infection rate and death from covid is currently on the increase.
In fact, living in the UK, I’m grateful that the UK is at such an advanced stage of vaccination, as we are now so close to getting back to normality (post pandemic); just another three weeks before the final phase of the lockdown is lifted; and just 8 more weeks before all covid Regulation restrictions e.g. mask wearing and social distancing are to be disbanded. Whereas, the rest of Europe and other countries badly afflicted by the pandemic have got a much longer wait before they’re out of the woods.
Fact is it's disputable or arguable. The Spainish flu or malaria vector disease is not fast transmit as covid. Reality ask when did covid now gain the status of a killer disease?
The are other fast catching viruses. This reminds me of chemo therapy that increases cancer many times greater than it originally started. Because this vaccine is dangerous too, still a baby compared to chemo, yet give it political fire.
Friend, it's much better I invited you to a wrestle duel. Breaking a person back is my specialise. Then you be operated on, operated on by the surgeons knife and give drugs which you disrespect and belittle. Love you.
I'm just not for chemo therapy and sugar. Greatest killers. I understand emergency hospitals, for all their machines, and it maybe beyond your understanding. I have had one heart surgery and vaccines for travel.
By the time you go to a hospital its called a pound of cure. Vs a once of organic medicine of what I take all the time.You done heart surgery? Western, right? Alternate medicine has never enter the field of emergency surgery. This morning I eat dried dates(sugar), a teaspoonful of brown sugar in my cup of tea along with my chop plate of vegetable stew, rice, bean, corn, and milk in the tear. Does that qualify me for a heart risk? In my final years in secmary school, I made the top mark in biology and have continue to update same. What gave you that information that I lack understand in one of my pathway? Why were you ignoring invitation? That my friend, shows your lack of understanding.
Why do you think I studied plant, fungi and recycling with worms. It make up 93% of earths bio mass weight for our health and well being.
So, I don't become a dopey daily member of the pharmaceutical health club.
It's white sugar is five time greater in our food products than a person needs. White sugar is the most dangerous food product in the world.You’re actually talking some sense for once; it’s not just refined sugar, it’s also the 1,000 plus artificial chemicals that are commonly used in food in the USA for colouring, flavouring and as preservatives; which fortunately are banned (illegal) for use in food in the UK and across Europe.
As regards refined sugar, and other undesirables in processed foods e.g. ‘fat’ and ‘salt’ etc., that’s why there’s been extensive ‘Campaigns’ organised by the General Public; Pressure Groups to create public awareness and to Lobby the Government.
Consequently due all the ‘general public’ campaign groups over the years:-
#1: Food sold in the UK no longer use artificial colouring, flavouring or preservatives; these days they’re all natural ingredients.
#2: Food sold in the UK has to be clearly labelled, highlighting (with details and percentages) where high levels of sugar, salt and ‘saturated fats’ are used.
And the most recent development of all was when due to pressure from the general public (campaign group) in 2014 the UK Government introduced a ‘Sugar Tax’; which hit companies like Coca-Cola the hardest in reduced sales in the UK due to the high level of tax pushing up the retail price of thier product. Most Companies since then have reduced the level of sugar in their products significantly to reduce the tax level or avoid it altogether e.g. the sugar tax in the UK is only due on products that has more than 5g of sugar per 100ml of product (about 5% sugar).Very informative and enlightening indeed. Here in Nigeria, people are being advice to take just a cube of white sugar in their cup of tea. People were also being advice to reduced their consuption of for example bottled coca cola-like drinks. And recently, companies manufacturing mineral drinks have resort to reducing the sugar level; and also the size of the the bottled from 650 to 320 ml. Thank goodness. People initial refused to buy because of the new products tastes less. Later they had a change of heart and head.
Wonder why Canadians still have white sugar heavily into our food products and we live longer than UK. Must be something else wrong.
According to Wikipedia it’s 82.2 years for Canada, 81.4 years for the UK, and 78.5 for the USA.
So while there’s a significance difference between Canada and the USA, there’s not a great deal of difference between Canada and the UK (just a matter of months); which will be down to factors other than sugar.While, what is that 'something else wrong'?
Friend, I said I eat dates, drink a cup of tea sweeten with brown sugar,eat vegetable stew with rice, bean, and corn. Where does the white sugar comes in in my chop plate? And besides, what d'you learn at school and college or university, were you a doctor?
I won 185 international awards and started a new industry in sand and snow sculptures worldwide. Plus 5 sands sculpture world championshipall self taught
My daughter is a similar story.
Dont need a farmers degree, to dominated my county market place.
I studied under holistic doctors who live 25 years older than the mainstream doctor. Peaces of paper and gold stars do not mean much when your already doing it. Same story for most veteran artist I know.Has your 'world wide' presence a location in my country Nigeria? Certificates, diplomas, degress, etc may not mean something to you and similar like-characters if you're self-employ on first instance. On the other hand, getting a job in the public service or a private company, say a skill job reruired at least a cert. or two. The rules were incorporate in the company or corporation book, agreed?
That explains your lack of academic understanding in a lot of key subject areas, including your lack of even just the basic scientific understanding.
Then your an academic.you get to study all the world class stuff I do first hand.
And you get to sort out some truth and lies of all the 2nd 3th and 4th hand me information and experience of other people's.
Its the grass root people like me who changes things positively, not your government or very rarely.What if some one suggest the opposite to you, like what I learn in the university? Would not that seem absurd to you? Not every one has the same talent or bent, right? Each differ. I believe what you can do well another can't. And besides there's no need to brag about another's inability. Nevertheless, we're on a common core here in the forum-scientific method, agreed? A theory even in the humanities say history or sociology needs the scientific method for a proof. Otherwise, it's thrown out of the window. Therefore, Nathanville's insistence on strict scientific standard is fundamental.
Chemotherapy may not be pleasant, but it does save lives.
Yeah rightttt.....
In medical journal a chemotherapy success rate for over 5 years is 2.1. Muster chemotherapy started out as muster gas and many countries banned it in world war 2 because it killed people all too well. Cancer was really rare back then. Heart and cancer today top leading cause of death, if your don'ts count the medical profession.
General public are clueless about many of these vaccines.Yeah righttttt…….
Get your facts right……….
#1: Cancer Kills
#2: The Reasons there’s more cancers these days includes (i) people are living longer; (ii) change in peoples lifestyle and diets.
#3: Chemotherapy is a lot safer now than it was back in those days; and these days’ it’s not the chemotherapy that kills you but the cancer if the chemotherapy doesn’t work.
#4: Chemotherapy is the last resort, when all else has failed, or there is no alternative effective treatment available; and the alternative is just to let the patient die of cancer. In one study the survival rate at five years for those who had chemotherapy was 47%, whereas the survival rate for those who didn’t have the chemotherapy was only 39%; so in that study chemotherapy did save lives.
And beside what has chemotherapy got to do with vaccines e.g. the chemotherapy is generally given intravenous (through a tube in a vein), or orally e.g. tablet; not as an injection (vaccination). And in any event it has nothing to do with the covid vaccines.Remission success rate is no sign of cancer. Survival cancer is not rated as successful.
Nobel peace prize One of the first alternative cancer therapies, The Gerson Therapy® has successfully treated thousands of patients for over 60 years. With a 100% success rate over fives year stage 1 and 2 cancer.
Nova Scotia Rick Simpsons success rate with cannabis was 85% with 5000 patients over 5 years with stage 4 and 5 cancer.
These successes have been cancelled by the gold standard of chemo therapy, radiation and surgery. Because cancer is most profitable for the medical profession.Actually, Castlepaloma, your claims are unfounded. FYI, the Gerson Therapy is NOT proven to be 100% successful. There is no scientific evidence that it can treat cancer or its symptoms, and Gerson therapy can have severe side effects.
The Scientific research does not support any of these claims; as clearly shown in the link below:-
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about- … ies/gerson
Also, with regards to the Rick Simpsons Cannabis Oils; while there’s some promising research surrounding the use of cannabis to treat cancer, experts are still a long way from having conclusive evidence about which cannabinoids and strains work best. In addition, some research suggests that THC can actually increase the growth of cancer cells.
So your claim that Cannabis was 85% successful in treating cancer is unfounded, as made clear in the article below:-
https://www.healthline.com/health/rick- … -and-risks
Your last remark may be applicable in the USA, but it is NOT universally applicable. You keep forgetting that the NHS (National Health Service) in the UK does not operate on profits; it’s a free service run by the Government in the UK, and as it’s paid for by the taxpayer it has an incentive in finding cost effective treatments; and as previously stated has no financial connection with pharmaceutical companies; and being a Government Organisation, the Doctors in the NHS are Government employees paid a fixed salary, and therefore have no financial interest in what treatments they support; their interest is primarily scientifically lead.
Likewise, the UK Cancer Research Organisation (who wrote the first link above) are a charity, and their prime interest is to find the most effective cancer treatments for the NHS, and as such their research is scientifically lead.I live in Nova Scotia I know some of the patients. He was force to leave Canada and Gerson was stopped being used. He had 14 patients with stages I and II (localized) melanoma, 100% survived for 5 years,
Just like Edison light bulb still on after 120 years. Causing the light bulb conspiracy, the best one of all.
Product are more design for profit, not for our health. Thats more often in the mainstream monopolies.Castlepaloma, you don’t appreciate how the scientific community operates:-
For something to become scientifically proven, there are specific and stringent rules for testing an idea, and any tests have to be carefully recorded under strict conditions e.g. blind tests; double blind tests etc., which invariably has to include a ‘control’ e.g. an equal number of patients being given Placebo, and those given the real medicine or treatment.
Then the result, along with all the data and information, has to be published e.g. in a medical journal, for ‘peer review’; at which point other scientists will scrutinise the data and try to find flaws either in the procedure or data etc. If the concept passes such rigors, then that same experiment has to be repeatable by other scientists around the world; with similar results.
Neither your Gerson Therapy nor the Rick Simpsons Cannabis Oils have successfully passed the first hurdles in scientific evaluation; hence why “There is no scientific evidence that it can treat cancer or its symptoms”. That statement does not mean that the Gerson Therapy isn’t effective; it just means that it hasn’t proven to be effective. It’s not unusual for small scale trials, similar to what you describe e.g. “14 patients with stages I and II (localized) melanoma, 100% survived for 5 years”, to have seemingly positive results, but on repeating those trials by others for the results to then be less successful.
FYI, Mainstream Orthodox Organisations like the WHO, NHS etc. don’t deal with speculation; they only accept what is proven scientifically.
And as regards Healthcare outside of the USA, particularly in countries like the UK, as I keep telling you; they are NOT driven by profit e.g. The NHS is Government owned and run, and provides healthcare for free to all; so as its tax payer’s money, cost effectiveness is the main driving force.The post proved that you were like one gone through the scientific method. And you've mastered and done your lessons well. I appreciated you.
Don't think all scientists are as pure as white snow. There are some will do anything for a buck. Then their PHD means Piled Higher & Deeper
This is beyond conspiracy theory its organics like communism rule. Don’t Think The Government Cares About Saving Your Life. The Government has not the patent on science, expect marijuana another phony name. At least I know its my responsibility and my business to do just that. With affordable healthy housing and foods are 2 out of three most expensive things in life.
Maybe to you think there’s No Such Thing As A Conspiracy Theorist
Not the way the mainstream media portrays it or the Government never lies to you. I got a bs detector that differs. The term ‘conspiracy’ is defined as ‘the act of conspiring together,’ but it has gradually developed negative connotations. The theory’ part is used as a way to avoid, to deflect, to shut down questioning and debate by relegating it to the realms of fantasy, and imagination, into the realms of fiction, movies or books about the ‘mythical’ illuminati. Repented back I'm Not into anti anything or anti vaxxer. Anything that effects my life and my entire family, i can't deny it or live a lie.
Not ever in my life after being famous for decades. People conspire against me just because I find covid world order normal, abnormal. Plus I refused to be vaccinated because its my body, not the States body to do anything they want to, like Hitler . Handle of covid is more harmful than good, like a religion. The personal experience most related to it is touring the USSR when I was a competitive athlete. It's so much the feeling of Americans today. The majority are following just like the communism did back then. Somehow by wars, programming , indoctrination camps or schools and prisoners to keep them inline. Freedom is awesome, its being taken away by one kind of virus.
If i can not trust some top leader politician. It won't be by my lack of kindred spirits. Its that they are all puppets, except JFK. Today US reminds me of USSR I toured. It still greatly influenced the world, we all ready for collapse via the virus. Yes US has greatly influence Uk also, we are all in the same boat, like it or not.Castlepalo, agreed that "The government has not the patent on science". I would add that mainstrean organs like WHO don't either. And honestly, I don't know how famous you are. The must famous peoples are regularly in public view. They're driven by the mainstream news media. Whether they be invetors, scientists, educators, or what ya think. They're online or the global village. That said, it prompt me to go online to dig how famous you claim to be. Sorry, I found you only on HP. And it's a pity that had not make one feature article yet. How come you're that famous?
Most famous for most sandsculpture world championships. After 4 decades of overachiever gave it all up for tinyhouse community and heathy foods. It a journey more illegal than marrjanna . Which also I helped developing cannabis medicine legal in Canada heritage seeds before they turn cannabis Monsanto like seeds. Don't like labels yet anarchist are more disliked than atheists so Keep my name and business more under the radar. Holistic lifestyle is great suppression by the mainstream. Yet much healthier and happier than all the millions of fans from before.
Could not read your last statement about academic schooling. My daughter and I are far beyond indoctrinate camp and schooling of gold star and peaces ocean size papers. The future mass majority will turn to first hand experiences, the pace will be amazingly faster form of learning than the great surpression of Centro banks and State will die off. Hope you join the solution rather than the endless unsolved issues from your the programing owner.Castlepaloma, I'm not satisfy with this your post. How come a once world famouse sandsculptor abandon the art, build a rabbit hole to live in? Where you a reclues? I though you had better pass the experience, expertise, insight, and more to the upcoming generation? Why buried same in a tiny hole? This thing you have done is not good. And besides you're informing about new education. Will ya be part of the trend? Did you intent to specialize on marijauna and canabis?
In sandsculpture or snowsculpure in the winter. My sponsors with largely Government events that were always sponsored by the most unhealthiest products you could imagine. Like fast foods, gambling casinos, pharmaceutical, alcohol and ect. Just question them to bring in one healthy product. So they got rid of me as their major feature in the largest winter festival in the world. This was happening all over the world, a total take over of unhealthy products.
I went with the most opposite way possible. Holistic lifestyle affordable for everyone rather than mass destruction of our bodies and planet that most cannot afford financial or physically . The greatest threat towards humanityI'm not taking you very seriously, seriously. Believe me you, you've got to be very serious with the art you claim to possess.
Joking? And with such a serious life saving subject? How can you joke with a deadly viper? Castlepaloma, you seems to be extremely high on canabis and marijauna.
Cannibis saved my life along with microgreens after a terrible virus I caught. Get high on life rarely use drugs or even alcohol. Like my mind clear. Laughing is one of the best medicines so I don't take life so seriously and get done more things than most people can imagine.
I have a friend in Nova Scotia that from 5000 stage 4 and 5 cancer patients on cannabis, had 85% went into cancer remission after 5 years, of stage 4 and 5 cancers.
Chemo therapy has only 2.1 success rate of cancer over 5 year.
Maybe you can understand why my friend had to flee to europe to save his own life from authorities with too great of success. I've been in that same boat with organic foods and tiny houses. I can't live my dreams with deadlines anymore. Knowing a minimum wage persons and homeless have no hope for their dreams.
Strengthen the weakest link in my own life, and be an example service for many other lives. I rather die with integrity than to live with greedy snythedicsMost people have lost much of the power of their Imagination.
Imagination is the living agent of all human perception with both intent and effort. Your mind first produce a visual imagine, shortly afterward follows words . There are no rules of architecture for a castle in the clouds, the quality flows by the gift of fantasy conceives in images from objective reality. Imagination asks desired questions, it creates and grows with exercise. Anyone is enough of an artist to draw from their imagination as for it’s the basic health of every man. Concept may be lower form of imagination, and imagination is a poor substitute for experience. Few people have the imagination for reality and logic and reason can die off quickly. Your knowledge has limits but your imagination dose not. Reason respects differences, and imagination has a perceptible likeness of things. It’s an act not of reason but an intuition, Imagination is the eye of the soul and the voice of the daring. If there is anything Godlike about God it is that. When he dares to go beyond his wildest dreams, he can imagine everything.
I can prove most everything I know was once imagined, it’s created in beauty, justice, and happiness. It’s the main source of value in the new economy and the supreme master of art as of life. You create your own universe as you go along. The stronger your imagination, the more expansive your universe becomes. If you forget your dreams of your universe, your Universe will cease to exist. When your will and the imagination are in conflict, it is the imagination that always wins.
Why be so serious, and imagine our World will END, it might for you.
Imagine our World is moving toward a spiritual age, our joys will never end.It sounds as if you’re on drugs; cannabis!!!!
Sometimes I wish I was, that is the best medicine known to man in human history. All maximize suppression by the synthetic greedy elites. Called public enemy number one.
They create the monsters then have us pay for them to protect us from the monsters. Then mutations into something else.Agree that the elite public enemy number one. So are all canabis and hard drug users like you! In Nigeria under a military government, you qualified for a bullet into your heart and pass over to the great beyond to meet your creator. And by the way, is Canada joining the rest of the anti-drug countries like Great Britain, Nigeria, USA to fight against hard drugs?
Also you guys put down my best abilities for highly creative lifestyle useing as my favourite tool imagination . Its why you guys will be at best, the king of mediocrity and as I continue to achieve many more world class products and services.
Only eat it if occasionally having troubles over sleeping. For sleeping well is more than eating or exercise. Rarely have a party anyone because a five person limit everywhere.
Write or speak much worst when on it. Maybe once a month now and have not used any other medications for years. Helped hundreds of people with it and cannibis is oftentime the only medicine that will work. Shoot the sick, Jesus wouldn't do that, at least in metaphorical.So the trouble is you not the pandemic. You hardly do justice to the discussion.
That is totally insane for killing a person for a plant that has not killed anyone directly in 10,000 years.
I understand. However, they're certain contradictions in this post and others.
Cannabis is the most important and useful plant species in earth human history. It makes 50,000 different products and best medicine known to man. Even Jesus used for healing in the bible. The plant was too good, so the greedy elites couldn't complete with it like in industries of fuel, wool, pharmaceutical, canvas, food and ect. They imprison Canadian pot users for 90 years, more so than all the violence criminals combined. Wail legal drugs kill more than illegal drugs and as prescriptions drugs are the 4th leading of death in the world.
This is against humanity and treason on nature. You guys just love these synthetic monsters.Then agree you're high on canabis or marijauna?
Yes Castlepaloma, I can tell that you haven’t had a proper education; it shows.
Also, your comments show that you have misconceptions of modern education (academic schooling) e.g. your belief that it’s all just academic (theoretical) and no practice.
I don’t know how it’s done in the USA or Canada; but across Europe and in the UK academic training, from when I was a kid has always included an element of practical experience.
For example:-
• When I was learning ‘electrical engineering’ at school the class work was 50% theory (in the mornings), and 50% practical (in the afternoons).
• Likewise, student’s learning to become ‘doctors’ or ‘nurses’ in the NHS spend half their time at university learning medicine academically, and the rest of their time as ‘junior doctors’ or ‘student nurses’ in an NHS hospital.
5 TIPS I WISH I KNEW BEFORE STARTING MY NURSING DEGREE in the UK for the NHS (3 Year Course at university): https://youtu.be/2p94lmQnqSgI went to the University of southern California for animation. There is much more to life than papers and gold stars.
People don't want to hear why I won more world sculpture championships than anyone. Because my answer is that I did it for a longer time than anyone and made more mistakes than anyone else .
They think I won't share my secrets, much like secret societies
WHO save information for power over others.
My successful life has been based on good sense and imagination. Einstein stated imagination is more important than knowledge.
Why is it that high intellectual are more likely to be unhappy? Why is it that with all these indoctrinate camps and programming schools cause about 80% of people who do not like their work for most waking hours of their lives?
I say whatever works. I trained my daughter who is an international renowned animator who also won in the UK. She is fearless, self reliance and loves the world like her family,
Just like the foot steps of her Dad. What better school in the world, can teach that, better than family.
Be always open and do not harm Then do whatever you want. If you can't do something first hand, there is always always teaching jobs.You shouldn’t make assumptions that are not true when trying to support your claims:
Who says high intellectual people are more likely to be unhappy:-
• True, money doesn’t buy happiness, and
• Ignorance can be bliss.
But, I would consider myself quite intellectual, and I’m certainly not unhappy.
Also, who says that 80% of people don’t like their work:-
Job satisfaction is lower in the UK than it is across the rest of Europe; yet even in the UK 64% of workers have job satisfaction; albeit 64% of British workers also consider that leisure is more important than earnings (work-life balance).
In the UK the top 10 most satisfying jobs are:
1. Chile care
2. Finance and Banking
3. Public Security
4. Technology sector
5. Construction and Property
6. Healthcare e.g. doctors and nurses
7. Marketing and Digital Media,
8. HR and Recruitment
9. Education e.g. teachers
10. HospitalityCalling you an academic would make you higher on intellectual scale. A life success balance is financial, intellectual, relationship, physical and spiritual.
Only you would know if your balance makes you happy. I find most people over focus on financial that unbalanced them, especially with the covid today.
BBC put out the top ten happiest countries in the world. Didn't see UK in the top ten on any other status scales.
Finland
Denmark
Switzerland
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Sweden
Luxembourg
New Zealand
Austria
From experience I would add a latino country or two in that European arrogant mix.Castlepaloma, can I have a link of the BBC the 10 happiest countries of the world? Much thanks.
Interesting to see that non of the countries are Catholic if I'm correct.
Nonaffiliated or non believers 3rd largest group dominated countries. As to the 2nd Muslims or 1st Christians countries. They are among the wealthiest countries in the world. Where the poorest countries in the world are in the bottom. Are the most religious countries in the world.
But are not the Christians and Muslems very religious likewise? Why were these not among the poorest?
Link to the poorest countries in the world, and they are the most dominated by religion.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count … -the-worldJust google poorest religious countries. You will find a few.
I meant Catholic, not Christian.
Most countries above are Reformed. Northern Europe is richer than southern Europe as the Reformed and Calvinism have a different relationship with banking and finance than Catholics.
It's not religion perse, more how your attitude is towards handling money.
Interesting list, way off topic, but interesting.
All these countries (except may be the Netherlands) have a total population that you can easily squeeze into Big Apple or London or some midsize Chinese city. It is speculation but wouldn´t the people of New York or Los Angeles or London be happier, if they could make a real difference on the global political stage with their local mayors and representatives?
All listed countries belong the most prosperous group concerning GDP/capita. So yes, being wealthy (statistically) is no guarantee for happiness, but it doesn´t hurt either.
Anyways - another list that be interpreted in many ways.Chris, I found the listing very curious, but interesting. BBC pidgen(broken english) did not give a listing of criteria to arrive at these ten happiest countries. BBC pidgen is a media for the illiterate. It is only spoken but not written. And so the hearers had no need to investigate further or academically. How Castlepaloma would have define happiness that I don't know. But it can depend on anything drugs that I bet. Okay Nigerians love to cool off with their beers and alcholic beverages. What they consume is more than production, and demand exceeds supply. And illiteracy is also very high.
Castlepaloma, I didn’t say that the UK was in the top ten for the happiest counties; if you read properly what I said, I said “Job satisfaction is lower in the UK than it is across the rest of Europe; yet even in the UK 64% of workers have job satisfaction”.
Yep, I get the impression that most Americans put money before their happiest; that’s part of the American culture.
However, Europeans (including the UK) tend to put more importance on their family life than work life; that is part of the European culture.
For example, every worker in the UK is legally entitled to six weeks paid leave (vacation) each year, from the first day they start work. Whereas in the USA there is no legal minimum and most Americans are lucky if they get two weeks paid leave (vacation) a year.
Work-Life Balance: REALLY DIFFERENT in Germany than in the USA: https://youtu.be/dN3k5-YmQUE
All reference to Germany in the above video apply equally to the UK; thus highlighting the cultural difference between Europe (including the UK) vs the USA in respect to the work-life balance.I would agree that worklife balance has to do with happiness. And even more so if you have the money to live the life you want.
Firstly you need high productivity in your economy (meaning earn money in less time). To measure this we may look at the statistics on average working hours per year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time
We will find that Germans are very lazy, working almost 400 hours less per year than the US or close to 300 hours less than CA.
Working almost 2,5 months less than average American, of course there is more free time for your leasure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
The GDP per capita is lower in G. than in the USA, but apparently people earn more than enough to live a hedonistic life. Well, most of them, there are workaholics everywhere.
If you divide the GDP (best with PPP adjustment) per capita by the average working time, you get an indicator on productivity. Use this number for the countries on the little happiness list, and you find an almost direct correlation.
My take on this: somehow happiness is linked to productivity (in other words: how easy it is to make money with the benefit for the whole economy).
My "happiness by productivity and have a good work/life balance" indicator:
Norway: 51 USD/hour
Netherlands: 43 USD/hour
Austria: 41 USD/hour
Germany: 42 USD/hour
Canada: 31 USD/hour
USA: 37 USD/hour
With the exception of New Zealand all on the top10 list of Castlepaloma have a number higher than 40 USD/hour. All have an average work time per year below 1600 hours. Well - New Zealand is where the shire of middle earth is, so they must be happy anyways.Thanks for that Chris, some interesting stats:
Germany working fewer hours than Americans isn’t laziness; most developed countries work fewer hours than America e.g. Americans are slave to their work. In America they don’t have the generous paid leave (vacation) that we enjoy in Europe e.g. Americans are lucky if they get two weeks paid leave (vacation) a year, whereas in the UK the legal minimum is six weeks. And it’s not just how much you earn, it’s also the level of social benefits e.g. Free healthcare in the UK, but expensive medical insurance in the USA, and far more generous welfare benefits for the less well of and unemployed in the UK than in the USA.
Yep, ultimately productivity will play into it; but it’s a little more complex than a few calculations, for example a lot is dependent on Government Policies e.g. Conservatives (capitalists) vs Socialist Parties; and cultural attitudes e.g. Europeans, including the UK, tend to put more importance on their happiness than on money; whereas Americans seem to put money first.
I know lots of people in Britain who choose to do less demanding work, for less money, because it makes them happier e.g. they don’t want the responsibility, and they don’t want to be working all hours; all they want is a descent days work for a descent days pay so that they can get home to their family and friends and chill out (be happy).
As long as people have got the basic amenities, and they can pay their bills, and enjoy a few little luxuries like a car, mobile phone and TV etc., and to be able to socialise, then most people, certainly in the UK are happy. And in the UK you don’t need to work your socks off to achieve this e.g. a good work/life balance.Japan even works longer hours than Americans.
I'm not sure about this. Although the relation between productivity and happiness is an interesting one.
I think it's not how much you earn but how much you have to spend.
If you earn 800 a month and only have to spend 100 on fixed monthly bills
you are better off than if you earn 2000 and have to spend 1500 on fixed monthly costs.
I think happiness has to do we possibilities and personal growth.
Too often I've spoken with UK citizens who were born working class, knowing they will die working class. They can't see themselves escaping from the class system as it is a cage for personal development.
There are a lot of countries like the UK with a class system. A system where you can only study when you have money. Where you go to your local McDonalds for a birthday party or have some fries on a pebbled beach.
I think a good education system will make people happier. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a correlation between education and happiness.Happiness studies is about 60% of your own well handling your problems. 30% inherited from family genes and up bringing . Lastly 10% situations like the place you were born
Or what countries living in. So its over rated as true happines based on a countryPerhaps it's overrated but culture can have a huge impact on the happiness of people. (minorities, women, people not in power.)
I doubt it that women who are circumcised or have to wear their whole lives black and behind a burka are happy. My guess is they would be happier if they had lived in a different culture with more personal freedom of expression.Iraqi was rated at the near bottom of happiness
And i am not really serious about my productivity/happiness trick.
Of course numbers are telling a story. There probably is a correlation. But to link hard facts (productivity) to individual feelings (happiness) is always just a trick. By the way i used the GDP in purchasing power parity terms, that is how much you can buy with your money in a specific country. We might as well use the BigMac index (how many minutes of average work pay you need to buy a BigMac in your country) and play the same trick.
It is about leasure time, about worklife balance and about financially being allowed to do what you want to do. Cultural aspects also play an important role. Societies where women (half of the population) are excluded from personal freedom are certainly not to be found on any happiness list.Yes, it's very tricky. It's a multi-million dollar industry to make people happy (or let them believe) - Talking about the BigMac index - What about a Happy meal....
I read once that everybody has a natural happy scale. Some people are always between 2 and 5 no matter the situation. And other between the 5 and 8 (9 and 10 are suspiciously happy and probably drugged)
Back to the thread.
I'm sure the last year has put a lot of pressure on the happiness index.
Although burglary has gone down domestic violence has gone up. As well as stress levels I imagine.
This is my response in my sandsculpture to Gate`s vaccines for the world, feed the world GMO foods and his plans to turn all our power to nuclear energy
https://hubpages.com/living/Homeless-Housing
I'm much familiar with the Subjective Scale of Happiness, SSH. No matter what's your industry and how much you earn and how you spent it, the Likert scale or SSH simply place you on scale 1.0 to 10.0. You need be a genius or someone from outer planet to get the 1.0 mark, the highest ever. I make the 3.0 mark as a part-time university student while a mid-career civil servant. However, the questioner seems to be varied by many researchers or authors. Scale 1.0 is highest. 2.0 to 4.0 is high. 5.0 is a media. 6.0, 7.0, 8.0 are low. The next two scales 9.0 and 10.0 are poor ratings.
Yes, India is in a bad way as the virus is almost out of control. In January the government had thought that the virus had abated but it has come back with a vengeance. The danger is great for the entire world and I hope something can be done about it. Part of the problem is the attitude of some who don't want vaccination or wear masks.
I hope more nations step up to help India with all they need. It is so odd they have done so well for the entire year handling COVID 19. I think this new strain will as you said be a danger to the world. I think in the weeks to come people will start to reconsider the vaccine a the lesser of two evils.
I wish the media would report more about what India is experiencing, and the danger of the new strain of the virus. I have searched the intrenet to get information on what is happening in India. Very scary.I agree on humanitarian ground. All should combine efforts to fight that new strain from India, before it become a pandemic.
Vaccine Rollout Strategy
The UK is just about the only country in the world to wait three months between doses, while almost every other country give the 2nd dose after just three weeks.
At the time, when the vaccine programme was started in earnest in January, the decision by the UK Government to wait three months between doses rather than three week was not scientifically tested; in the phase 3 trials all the vaccines had been tested with a three week wait between doses.
The decision was political, not scientific, and was made by the British Government on the basis that with such a strategy you could vaccinate twice as many people in half the time; a strategy which has worked.
Not only has the strategy worked, but scientific studies of people vaccinated the British way, compared to how people are vaccinated in other parts of the world, quickly showed that not only do people with just the first dose have a good immune response (after the first four weeks in which it takes for the vaccine to fully stimulate the immune system); but results published yesterday also shows that for people who have a three month wait between their two doses, there is a triple-fold increase in their anti-bodies response to covid, compared to those who have their 2nd dose just three weeks after the 1st does.With almost 75% of adults in the UK now vaccinated (near herd immunity), and with the lockdown having ended on the 17th May; life in the UK is slowly returning back to normal.
• We had a close friend, who we haven’t been able to see for 14 months due to the pandemic, visit and stay with us after the covid restrictions were eased at the end of the lockdown.
• While our friend was visiting us we had our first meal out in 14 months (since the start of the pandemic) e.g. restaurants are now open again.
• Now that the hospitality Sector can now re-open again, following 14 months of lockdown e.g. nightclubs etc., our son, a professional freelance photographer who works in the hospitality sector, after 14 months of being out of work has finally gone back to work again.
So all in all, thanks to a successful vaccine rollout, life is returning to normal in the UK, and the summer looks bright.https://nationalpost.com/news/a-quicker … its-for-75
I found 30% fully vaccinated for UK May 17. Really 90% may work for, no more covid breakouts assuming. Nobody really knowns.
Dr. Anthony S. Fauci in March. “We really don’t know what the real number is. Hard as it may be to hear, he said, he believes that it may take close to 90 percent immunity to bring the virus to a halt — almost as much as is needed to stop a measles outbreak.
They keep changing the numbers and making things up based on nothing, yet fear tactics. Fear is the absolute ultimate for harming the immune system.Yep, I am surprised that Canada is taking such a hard line; especially as the infection rate in Canada is so low at the moment.
Fully vaccinated or just one dose; opinions and tactics differ in the UK compared to the rest of the world. But the main thing is, is that the UK tactics is working for the UK e.g. hospitalisations and deaths have fallen dramatically, down from over 1,000 deaths a day in January to just single figures for daily deaths now, and still falling by the week.
1. The UK Government took the ‘political’ decision for there to a three months between the first and second dose specifically so that twice as many people could be vaccinated in half the time. At the time there was no scientific evidence to say what effect such a strategy would have; but since then the scientific data has been gathered and it transpires that by waiting 12 weeks between doses, rather than just 3 weeks actually gives better long term protection.
2. Yep, other countries seem to be a stickler for the importance of two doses; as if just one dose gives no real protection. But interestingly, even just one dose (after 4 weeks) gives a high level of protection from the virus; up to 80% protection (which isn’t that much less than the one dose J&J vaccine that gives 85% protection. The second dose boosts the immunity system to near 100%.
Therefore, although (at the time of writing this) only 46% of the UK adult population have had both doses; the fact remains that almost 75% of the UK adult population have had at least one dose (giving them 80% protection), and as a result we are close to herd immunity; as is evident in the UK.
Besides, the vaccine rollout is proceeding at speed in the UK; with virtually everyone over the age of 30 now vaccinated (those most vulnerable from hospitalisation and death); leaving just those from the age of 18 to 29 to be vaccinated in June/July.There is five other countries who on a per capita bases are more vaccinated than UK. With Up and Down death results. Same for countries with no lockdown and no or little vaccines. The most of the poorest countries have a rate lower than 1% vaccination and lowest in covid.
Than main differences is with vaccination. People run a much higher risk with several side effects and unknowns injected into more likely weaker immune systems people. Causing more risk of mutations and new strains. Much like how several times new cancers grew and evolved from chemotherapy. Now cancers is the worlds leading cause of death.Sorry Castlepaloma, but you are speaking a load of crap.
FYI you cannot make direct comparisons, like you’re trying to do as (for various reasons, which you don’t understand) the pandemic is more prevalent in some of the world than others e.g. higher infection rates across Europe and in the USA than in Canada and Australia etc.
Whether you like it or not the evidence that the vaccination programme has been effective in the UK is overwhelming e.g. Hospitalisations in the UK down from over 40,000 in February to just 889 people now; and deaths down from over a 1,000 deaths a day just a few months back to single digits now.
You don’t want to admit that the vaccines have stemmed the tide of the pandemic in the UK because it would prove your crackpot conspiracy theories wrong.
When it comes to the covid vaccines you are blinded by the lies that are being spread by the conspiracy theories that you so deeply believe in:-
1. The covid vaccines are safe, hundreds of millions of doses administered over the past six months without any high risk serious side effects.
2. The vaccines do not weaken the immune system, it improves the immune system; which if you understood science, you would understand.
3. In fact, it’s the reverse to your false claim; mutants and new strains thrive when the virus is allowed to spread un-checked, as happened in Brazil and India; the vaccines helps to interrupt transmission and reduce the risk of mutations; but of course with your lack of understanding of science you can’t understand that.
4. Your belief that chemotherapy has caused cancers to grow and evolve is more fake news; again showing your lack of understanding of science.
Rather than trying to down play the success in the UK in fighting the pandemic due to the vaccine rollout, you should be pleased with the positive progress the UK is making; excepting that you can’t because to acknowledge that the vaccines are effective in saving lives would disprove your crackpot theories and undermine your crazy theories that Bill Gates is trying to use the pandemic to take over the world.
But then again, if you were not so arrogant in thinking that you know better than the world’s leading scientist, perhaps you might realize that a comprehensive vaccination programme, such as that in the UK, is an effective way out of the pandemic.Castlepaloma, list the five countries that are as advanced as the UK in their vaccination programme; so that I can see for myself what the situation is in those countries e.g. last time you made a claim that the vaccination programme wasn’t working in Israel you supplied incomplete and out of date information that gave a false picture.
Very difficult to get straight data when large corrupted governments, who follow dictatorship from special interests group. Where the stats change up or hidden from the pass too often
I didn't ask for straight data, I asked you to list the 5 countries that you claim proves your point.
In other words you don't want to tell me which 5 countries you said are as advanced as the UK in their vaccination programme, but not all doing well with the pandemic as your proof that vaccines don't work because you were making false claims; telling porky pies.
Dose Uk have zero covid deaths this week? Look it up, there plenty of countries with zero death and no lockdowns.
Nathanville you always accused me of being the alt right. Not me at all, Its true its both extreme powers have been alt right and now alt left extremes who have broken far more human rights and constitutional rights than anytime in my lifetime. I think everything in moderation and the best answers are in the middle grounds. Like calling me Q anon crazies” and “progressive totalitarians,” depending on the your version is nonsense. In your books, I would be an outlaw for living off grid, having self government community and find politics a completely a waste of time and unhealthy energy.
Yes, I do more my research online websites because multimedia broken parrot or TV tell-a-lie-vision is not good enough for me. There are other groups of people more intelligent and ethical than your assumed called leaders. Who tell us to think and feel for yourself first.
US, UK and Israel are the same countries leading this march genocides as they did with invading the Middle east. Just this time they have gone to a higher levels. Largest spokeman is Gates and Fuaci with freaking clusters of confusions and contradictions. Fauci was asked if the virus was created in a lab!”“No, no, no, that’s a deranged conspiracy theory!” past Fauci said. “It’s practically alt-right!
Fauci asked“No, masks aren’t necessary anymore!” said current Fauci. “We just wear them for political theater.”
In March 2020, agreeing with current Fauci but taking it a step further, saying, “Masks are useless. They just make people feel better!”
Both of the other Faucis then ganged up on March 2020 Fauci, calling him an “anti-science mask denier.”
lts like only alt left extremist are only science, the rest of us don't really have a say and banned or chariture assassination when we speak out, its like free speech is dieing. FAUCI and all Faucis they at least all wanted the same thing: to stay in the spotlight forever.yes…political theater…spotlight…All the world’s a stage, the rest of us are merely players William (Bill) Shakespeare, first man on earth to get a Pfizer vaccine against Covid. Now, to be referred to as the former William Shakespeare as he unfortunately died of an “unrelated illness/stroke.
Bet he regrets taking a small step for mankind.
By the way, strokes are not “unrelated” to the Covid vaccine. Eighteen Connecticut teens have reported heart problems after getting the coronavirus vaccine, and even the CDC is designed to look into a possible link between heart problem and Covid vaccines in young people. Heart is the leading cause of death, cancer is the leading cause of disease cases.
Spreading vaccines are genetically engineered to move through populations like communicable diseases. Which in plain English means that the vaccines are causing side effects in unvaccinated people. And Pfizer knew about it, as proven by their concerns of “occupational exposure” or in other words, the shot’s adverse side effects can be transmitted from the vaccinated to the unvaccinated.Apart from your ranting; you still haven't given me the list of the 5 countries who you claim disproves that vaccines work, because you claim they are advanced as the UK in the vaccine rollout, yet according to your claim death rates are still high in some of those five countries.
Now for the 4th time of asking you; what 5 countries are they.https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographi … ncov-cases
Uk has around 35% fully vaccinated. And now with these corrupted numbers anyways. Look how low these other 167 countries covid case on this list of lower covid cases than UK in the last 2 week. Mind you many countries are smaller yet some are bigger than UK and many only 1% to 5% vaccinations.
Did misplace the 5 country zero deaths, it is there. You find them on this list anyways.That list on its own doesn’t tell me anything; be more specific Castlepaloma and tell me which countries you think prove your crackpot theories.
You’ve obviously got not idea on how pandemics spread e.g. even during the black death in the middle ages, and the Spanish Flu over 100 years ago, not all part of the world was devastated by those plagues; and even in England and across Europe, some places were hit harder by the infection than others.
Australia is an example of where infection rates have been low; yet that doesn’t prove anything e.g. you can’t compare chalk & cheese.
And for your information 48% of adults in the UK are now fully vaccinated; not the 35% you claim: And 74.5% of adults in the UK have had at least one dose. And FYI, just one dose (after 4 weeks initial period) provides 80% protection for serious illness and death from covid; hence why there is now hardly any deaths or hospitalisation in the UK anymore e.g. reaching near heard immunity.I don´t know how it is in the UK, but isn´t there some reluctance to get vaccinated in many countries, including the US and Germany?
So you need pressure on the population and what is better than fear?
I am aware that we have a pandemic still going on and that vaccines support herd immunity as in the UK, but people get exhausted. As someone joked: "Question: When is the pandemic over? Answer: When people don´t pay attention to it any more."
In the beginning of the pandemic last year we had a large diversity of mutations already. Helped to track the virus source of NYC to Italy and not to China. Now we have a constant flow of news about new mutations, some being more infectuous. Isn´t that just fear mongering to keep the population on red alert?Fear harms the immune system more than anything. It's the greatest and favorite tool to keep the elite, clergyman and politician in maximum power. Nuclear weapons once was the controling fear, today it is biological weapons..
We will find the natural environment will be the next fear mongering issues next.Sorry Castlepaloma, but you’re talking crap. You are the one that’s trying to fear monger. Contrary to what you think, in the UK people are not fearful of the virus; and the politicians are not trying to scare monger. And most certainly the UK is a Secular Society, so religion (clergymen) has nothing to do with it.
I don´t understand your response, Castlepaloma.
What i do understand is that vaccines really work.
Last week we had a Covid outbreak detected in 2 nursery homes in a small city next to us. Affected both elderly and carers. However all had been vaccinated earlier in the year.
All show only mild symptoms. Apparently the vaccination does not necessarily totally protect from getting infected, but if you get infected, the virus doesn´t harm very much. Isn´t this proof for the effectiveness of the vaccination?
Actually Chris, for whatever reason the UK has one of the lowest vaccine hesitation in the world e.g. the vast majority of Brits are keen to get vaccinated; not out of fear, but because they know it’s the right thing to do, to protect themselves and to protect others.
In the UK everyone over the age of 29 has now been offered a vaccine and 97% have opted to be vaccinated. Our son, who’s 33 had his first jab yesterday in the Forest of Dean; a 40 minute drive from Bristol. And as yesterday was hot and sunny, I and my wife went with him so that we could have a day out; a day trip to the Forest of Dean.
The only to be offered the covid vaccines in the UK now are those aged between 18 & 29, and the NHS will start offering vaccinations to that age group this week. This is the age group where in the UK there is a higher vaccine hesitation; currently standing at 18%, but even so with 82% of this younger age group keen to get vaccinated, along with the 97% of those over the age of 30 who have already been vaccinated that’s more than enough to achieve herd immunity.
The current debate by politicians in the UK is whether to vaccinate children in August or not; the scientific advisory group (SAGE), who advise the UK government on these matters don’t have any strong opinions either way and have made it clear to the UK Government that it will have to be a political decision!!!
In any event, in the event that current vaccines are less effect against any new strain of covid the UK Government has already ordered sufficient modified vaccines to rollout in the UK as a booster shot from September, just like the annual flu jab.
So in summary, Brits are not acting out of fear, and don’t need any pressure to get vaccinated; with the exception of some small pockets in the minority groups such as ethnic minorities and the less well educated (poorer) sections of society; but they represent just 4% of the whole population.Interesting, how differently matters are anticipated. In my family i have the pro and contra vaccine group going straight through our family. While i got my shot 6 weeks ago and my son in law is on the list, while i am waiting for the next dose, my wife and our daugther are strictly against vaccination.
It is always a personal decision, however my wife and i are in close contact to 3 grandchildren in 3 different schools/kindergarten. As someone from the German health administration pointed out: Over time kids and juveniles will either get vaccinated or they catch the virus. This statement may be questionable if the pandemic is dried out soon, But there is little chance that young people will stay out of trouble. What this may do to their parents, grandparents is a question of individual health risk bargaining.
I did take the risk before vaccination the same as i took the risk 2 years ago in winter time, when i picked up my grandson from Kindergarten with everyone snorting and sneezing an coughing on the corridors (parents, kids, grandparents, teachers). Well - with the mask wearing i didn´t catch a cold for 2 years now. And as we skipped the flu season, Germany is currently significantly undercutting the natural death count.It is interesting how some countries are more sceptical of the vaccine than others. Why the British don’t have the fear of the covid vaccines, unlike many other countries, I don’t know?
I haven’t met anyone, of any age, in the UK who hasn’t been eager to get the vaccination; most of us actually look forward to it!
I and my wife had our first jab on the 28th Feb and our 2nd jab on 17th May (UK Government Policy to give 12 weeks between jabs). All our friends and relatives (in our age group) have all now had both jabs; and our son being in his 30’s had his jab on Sunday, which he’d been eagerly waiting for.
We had to go to the Forest of Dean (40 minutes’ drive from Bristol) for our son’s job because he didn’t want to wait for a free slot in Bristol e.g. as soon as it was announced that the NHS was vaccinating his age group, the vaccination programme is so popular that all the Bristol slots for his age group were snapped up as soon as the announcement was made. Nevertheless, going to the Forest of Dean was a good excuse for the whole family to have a day trip out.
Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England:- https://youtu.be/eNbYbikFnkE
Nathanville, I was checking out Reuters today and found this --- I know how you are closely following COVID, and it is now being reported there is a new variant that has been identified yesterday in Vietnam. Very concerning, and said to be a virulent strain that spreads very quickly. It would seem the Virus is only getting stronger in regard to spreadability. This is unusual, this virus is not going the path of a common type of virus. Very scary. I am hoping to hear the vaccines will give some protection against this new strain. However, the further this virus denatures from its original it may be doubtful that the vaccine will offer many benefits.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci … 021-05-29/This new type of mutations stain covid has one big change with it. The old or older covid stains of covid were only killing 6% in countries that had temperatures under 65f or 15c. Worldwide. This new covid is rapidly spreading in hot countries now, over 65f.
It's a unhealthy hazard to mess with Mother Nature. Especially when billionaires never stop thinking of ways to harm us.Thanks Sharlee, it’s not a strain which I’ve heard of as yet, but the UK is a world leader in identifying and studying new strains; so I’m sure it is being studied and investigated to see how effective existing vaccines are in protecting against it.
In the event that it is a new strain that current vaccines offer little protection against then the vaccine manufacturers are ready to tweak their vaccines to protect against new strains; a process which apparently will take just a matter of weeks to complete and to get up to production speed.
The UK Government have already ordered sufficient stock of tweaked vaccines (in advance) to cover any new emerging strains; with the intention (if required) to distribute during the autumn (just like the flu jab) as a booster jab.
I’m sure other countries, including the USA, are also making similar mitigation steps, just in case of a new emergent strain that the current vaccine are less effective against.Like Kill Gates says, viruses will kill far more than all wars. He will help to keep tweaking vaccines plandemic.
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Quotes on TV, the next strain will be 10 times worse.I believe we will hear more about this new strain this week. Our media takes the weekends off ... LOL
I had hoped COVID would strat to denature as most viruses do when they mutate. This virus is very different, at this point it seems to be putting up a good fight.
I have no faith that the US is where it should be tweaking the vaccine. Yes, they claim to be doing research, but one can no longer trust what we are being told, lot's of flip-flopping on anything that is COVID.
We have been learning a lot about the gain of function research that the USA has been doing for some time now. I expect American's will want answers as to why we provided money to the Wuhan lab, as well as many grants to labs that do the same research here in the USA.Yep, it is a stubborn virus; but looking at the data the new cases and covid deaths are the lowest they’ve been in the USA since the start of the pandemic 14 months ago; so I guess the American vaccination programme is beginning to have a positive impact.
Sorry Castlepaloma, but the fear mongering propaganda you are spreading to try to discourage people from taking the covid vaccines is the same crap/lies that Qanon and the anti vaxxers spread throughout the Internet. The fact that you pick up on these lies and believe them is testimony to the fact that you don’t keep in touch with current affairs from reliable sources on the TV and News Media.
To say that the UK is as you say (in poor English) (Quote) “leading this march genocides”, is a direct insult on me and my wife e.g. before we retired I was a civil servant and my wife worked in Admin in the NHS, so we have personal inside knowledge and experience of how the system works in the UK; and you’re constantly trying to trash it because the success of the vaccine rollout in the UK disproves all the crap you keep spouting.
For example, you are trying to discredit the vaccine programme because of the suggestion by the CDC of a possible link between myocarditis (heart problems) and the vaccines. However, if you’d bother reading all the report, and not just picking out the bits of the report that you like, and ignoring those bits of the report that don’t suit your beliefs, then you’d know that; to quote:-
“It's important to note that the reported cases of myocarditis following vaccination "have not differed" from the number that would have occurred in the population even without the vaccine, the CDC points out.” And if you further read the reports, there have been no deaths because of this anyway.
So as I previously said, there are NO ‘high risks’ to taking the covid vaccines e.g. the vaccines are perfectly safe, and a lot safer than risking death from not taking the vaccine and subsequently dying from covid.
With regard to your last paragraph, and idea that vaccinated people can infect unvaccinated people is fake news (lies) spread by the anti-vaxxer groups; I would have thought that even you were intelligent enough to realise that such an idea is a lie, spread by conspiracy theorists as part of their campaign to fear monger!!!
Some revealing statistics for the UK:-
• In February there were almost 40,000 people in hospital suffering from covid, with over 1,000 deaths per day.
• Now (as from today 29th May), there are just 889 people in hospital suffering from covid; 28 less people than yesterday; and single digit deaths.
Currently just 19 in 100,000 have the virus; which is a fraction of what it was just a few months ago.
So there is no doubt that the vaccine in working in the UK; which is why the UK lockdown was ended on the 17th May, with the intention to remove all restrictions by 21st June.
Whow, did you really live 14 months under lockdown conditions?
No dining, no shopping, no visiting, no travelling?
Compared to this the situation in Germany was much more relaxed. My last dining was on Oct. 31, because we knew of what was coming. Now all outdoor eating and drinking is open.
For about 3 months shopping was restricted. But from April on we had a massive rollout of quick antibody tests. Everything is open for those with negative test results.
I got caught 2 times with a positive antibody test, after i had received my first AstraSeneca shot. Had to go through the whole PCR test procedures to clear from quarantine.Yep, 14 months for us; primarily in that my wife had an operation on her throat a couple years ago (pre-cancerous) which meant that she was at high risk (classified at clinically vulnerable). Therefore, she was advised to shield; shielding in the UK meaning that you effectively stay in permanent quarantine. Likewise, our close friend from Portsmouth is a diabetic, and therefore classified as ‘high risk’; so he was also advised to ‘shield’; which he did.
The only way my wife could ‘shield’ is if I and our son also ‘shielded’, which we did; and that wasn’t a problem for our son because working in the hospitality industry (professional nightclub photographer) he couldn’t work anyway because all the nightclubs were closed by the Government on the 23rd March 2020, and were not allowed to reopen again until the 17th May 2021. And although our son is self-employed (freelance photographer) to compensate the Government paid 80% of his loss earning, based on his tax returns to Inland Revenue for the previous 3 years.
As part of shielding, for the past 14 months (until 17th May) we didn’t go out socially, except for a couple of trips in August/September, when infection rates in the UK were low and the Government eased the lockdown restrictions. Even then they were just day trips to open-air spaces, away from the crowds; the first trip to Ashton Court Country Park in Bristol, and the 2nd trip to the Slimbridge Wildlife and Bird Sanctuary in Gloucestershire.
This was our trip to Slimbridge Wildlife Bird Sanctuary last September, during the brief period when restrictions were eased:- https://youtu.be/FjSPVZRRceo?t=410
During the 14 months, we had all our food home delivered, for free delivery by shopping around. So we didn’t need to go out shopping; therefore, the only other time we ventured out was to see our doctor or the hospital.
UK SUPERMARKET Home Delivery COMPARISON: https://youtu.be/yXhPydIcFLE
For the rest of the community (those not shielding) restrictions were lifted from the 4th July (when the pandemic slowed e.g. low infection rates of below 20 in 100,000, low hospitalisations and single digits daily deaths. But by the end of September the UK was hit by a 2nd wave, and the Government had to tighten up on the restrictions considerably, going into full lockdown from the 4th January; which the Government didn’t start to ease again until Easter, when (with the vaccination programme already showing signs of working) the Government started to ease the restrictions again e.g. by allowing non-essential shops to re-open; but the final stage ending the lockdown didn’t take place until the 17th May, when for the first time since 23 March 2020 nightclubs, and indoor facilities like pubs (bars), restaurants, cafes, theatres and cinemas could re-open again for the first time in 14 months.
The final stage, of lifting all restrictions (if all goes well) e.g. masks and social distancing is due to be lifted on the 21st June.
For mass events, since early April the UK Government has allowed a handful of mass events to take, using covid-passports (proof of vaccination, or a negeative covid test) as means of entry as an experiment; to help the Government formulate their policy for how to proceed after 21st June.
Of the 60,000 participants allowed into mass events, without social distancing, and without the need to wear masks; using the covid-passport as entry, only 15 people have since tested positive; which is encouraging.
Thousands of revellers pack into nightclub for Liverpool trial event: https://youtu.be/JBltomSq0vs
ZERO COVID DEATHS in the UK Yesterday
Zero Deaths from Covid yesterday (1st June 2021) in the UK; the first time since the start of the pandemic 14 months ago that there have been no deaths from covid in the UK; an encouraging sign that the UK vaccine programme is working.
Today is also another milestone as 75% of the adult population have now had at least one dose of the vaccine; with 48.9% of adults having had their 2nd dose.
The UK strategy being to delay the 2nd dose by 12 weeks so as to give as many people as quickly as possible their first dose, because even just one dose of the vaccine gives a high level of protection for serious illness and death.https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ant … e-12320466
Just a normal shopping in London. Although someone farted and they had to close down the entire shopping Mall.
The Queen's a hummm, never stinks.Yep, so what:-
FYH, the demonstration was by Anti-vaxxers (a minute percentage of the UK population) less than 1% of the population, who do not represent the general public. And like you (another anti-vaxxer) they were spout nonsense with their chanting as the UK lockdown was lifted on the 17th May anyway.You actually think only 1% in UK are against the vaccines. The slaves masters have grown in leaps and bounds.
One good thing in Canada, one person won in a court case. Stopping him from being force vaccinated. That means
Vaccine passport are illegal too. Also phony polls to get them approved are fake too.Wait. Forced vaccination is illegal, so a "passport" indicating you have been vaccinated voluntarily is also illegal?
Under what legal theory does that happen?People in Canada generally are too nice, except me, lol in some cases.
The court case win is the first legal case went into effect law April 2021. A first serious pushback since these vaccines rolled out, lockdowns and vaccines passport forcing people into seriously dangerous isolation depression, poverty and further other record breaking heath issues. This is beautifully great news because my community of 22 and booming, don't want any vaccines or even any visitors who have been vaccinated.
Also other covid alternative treatments our group knows from holistic practice. Has effectiveness and proven to simular viruse treatment for decades
https://factcheck.afp.com/canadas-feder … accinationhttps://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/4764931_f520.jpg
This is my sandsculpture of a covid TorontosaurwrecksThe case was false. The claim likewise false. How d'you read unsubstantiate truth into a false assumption?
This news been across Canada. Force vaccines are unconstitutional the Government is violated of serveral police false arrests eveywhere. Continue just making things up. Canadains finally madd as hell.
Rocco Galati won the cause against forced immunization in Canada. It is now a federal law,” claims an April 7, 2021 Instagram post.As your 'fact-checking' link above clearly points out: Both the claims about Rocco Galati, and the claims of forced immunisation in Canada, are 'fake news':-
You do need to learn to become a little bit more literate so that you can fully understand articles that you read; rather than just picking out the bits from the articles you like, and ignoring those bits you don't like:
As a reminder, below is the link you posted; Read it carefully, and maybe you'll stop making so many false claims?
https://factcheck.afp.com/canadas-feder … accinationArthur, you presume as if you're a certified teacher. Teach him. But I'm affaid. Ca'a can't seem to learn the truth.
Assuming the fake news over Canada is correct, when it's not, what is the good of it to the Canadians?
Good to hear from you Miebakagh. I wish Castlepaloma was at least half as well-educated and academic as you are; then perhaps we could have some sensible debates with him!
Castlepaloma, don’t you bother reading the links you put up; the link you put up in your subsequent post (in response to a comment made by wilderness) which you claim as proof of vaccines in Canada having been mandatory and now illegal due to a court case; was actually a ‘fact-checking’ article pointing out that the claim is ‘fake news’; the article points out quite clearly in its opening paragraph that vaccinations are not and never have been mandatory in Canada.
In answer to your main point:-
No, that’s not what I said. I said LESS than 1% in the UK is anti-vaxxers (like you are). FYI, not everyone who has vaccine hesitancy is an anti-vaxxer. In the UK the number of people who have not volunteered for their vaccine in the age groups already vaccinated, which is everyone from the age of 30 upwards, is just 3%. 97% of everyone over the age of 30 in the UK have voluntarily been vaccinated.
It’s now just everyone from the age of 18 to the age of 29 to be vaccinated next e.g. the remaining 25% of the adult population who have not yet been vaccinated.Truth is told. When I read throughly the story, I know the writer was trying to debunk a fake news. A person with the basic academic certificate like the Cambridge Ordinary certificate, could not have any difficulty in grasping the facts with a bird eye view. Why Castlepaloma fell short of this understanding or the lack of it baffled me. .
The is a worldwide hesitant vaccines programming going on right now. I will be force to shutdown our conversations.
New Milestone Reached in UK Today:-
50% of adults have now had their second vaccine dose (75.2% their first dose).Lol, will you ever regret it, when things get much worst.
Au contraire Castlepaloma the covid vaccines is safe and saves countless lives, and it means the UK can return to normal life; as is happening.
You’re the one who’s putting yourself, your family, and friends, at risk by refusing to get vaccinated; something which you may come to regret when it’s too late.'Be Prepare.' Every Canadian Boys Scout kid will tell you. A well prepare person or mindset can easily fit or streamline into the covid protocool. This then help gyp down the pandemic when you voluntary go for your jab. I can then laugh louder and longer! Sorry, we found you odd and wanting in that.
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