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   gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   
   For Conservatives Only-Has liberalism morphed into leftism, especially radical leftism?  Yes & why?  No & why not?   Has the Democratic Party become more extreme within the past decade?  Has liberalism become a mental disorder?

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      This is the stuff of bull$hit artistry, Grace. So, the vast majority of voters selecting the Democratic presidential nominee have a mental disorder in your opinion? That is over half of eligible voters.
      
      From what high mountain peak are you authorized to make such a revelation?

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         gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Let us be objective instead of subjective.   I was just asking a question. I see both sides of a situation.  I am a discerning Liberal, a reasoning Liberal but I am not & will never be a Leftist.   Being a Leftist is for adolescents & adults from 20-30.  After 30, being a leftist is a sign of immaturity.  One can be Liberal without being a Leftist.  Let me address the other side-being a Rightist or Extreme Right is a sign of fear & avoidance.  Being a Rightist or a Leftist is an aberration. One can be Conservative or Liberal without resorting to EXTREME ideologies.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            What is your definition of leftist?
            
            Anyone opposed to Donald Trump?
            
            The information you provide about patterns and personalities types for extreme far right and far left advocates rates further study.
            
            Liberals would not support Donald Trump, why would they? Your definitions and mine tend to differ.

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               James A Watkinsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The Left was born in the French Revolution. At bottom, it is an ideology that is Anti-Christian. Socialism/Communism/Fascism/Progressivism/Totalitarianism are all subgroups of the French Revolution, of the Left.

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                  MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  It isn't as simple as that. At that time, anti-Christian was mainly actually anti-Catholic, anti-Pope. People were tired of being ruled by a so-called religious body.They were hungry and afraid. Both nonreligious and protestants were being persecuted as heretics, witches, anti-religious, etc. when they were just anti-Catholic. That opened the door for the leftist groups you enumerated.

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                  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Do you see it as actually anti Christian or just anti Christian (or religious) control?

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               Tim Truzy info4uposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Right wingers tend to be nationalistic (Hitler, for example), liberals are more open to other ways of thinking. Both groups can be very patriotic. For example, Communists (very left) are severely patriotic in China but at the same time exhibit nationalistic views.

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            crankaliciousposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I would need a definition of leftist. There have always been far left elements in the Democratic Party. However, the label of Biden as a Socialist is just wrong. Those who make it think that there's unfettered capitalism and everyone who doesn't believe in it is a Socialist.

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         Kayode Doyakposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Where do you get half of eligible voters?
         
         Nearly half of eligible voters historically never vote! So half of them are liberal and half are conservative? I Don’t think so.
         Then your half of the ones who you want to believe do vote are actually including dead people, illegals, and republicans whose votes were switched by computer programs (owned by Pelosi and FeinStein) and so your precious party winds up being a minority, not even half of the people who vote!
         
         

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Quite whimsical, but it is your opinion and obviously, I won't share it.

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               Kayode Doyakposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Well you can at least admit you were wrong - turns out that your comment is the real stuff of bull$hit artistry.

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                  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  The point is that there millions of progressive, left leaning voters that are quite alive, otherwise your precious Trump would have won by a mudslide. So, I will allow you your palate if you allow me mine...

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                     Kayode Doyakposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Aha!
                     
                     Quite whimsical, but it is your opinion and obviously, I won't share it.
                     
                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKXMypeXnAU
                     
                     

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                        Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Rather than have me watch your cartoons, here is a substantive and authoritative article for you to read.(and weep)
                        
                        https://time.com/5908881/president-trum … ng-anyway/
                        
                        Trump will be relieved to step down from the Presidency. It was never his cup of tea. He lacks the temperament or intelligence for the job. Being the showman that he is, it is time for him and his circus entourage to move on.
                        
                        He is "putting up a fight" while doing his 18 holes at the golf course. He putting up a front when even he knows that it highly unlikely that law suits and silly litigiousness is going to change the outcome as determined by the voters

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                           wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           While I would agree that Trump lacks the temperament to be the president, he is unintelligent as well?
                           
                           How many people do YOU know that have climbed to the top (twice) in the entertainment industry, built a worldwide business empire AND climbed to the very pinnacle of the world's political scene?  All while accumulating 4+ Billion dollars and spending at a rate the rest of us can hardly imagine?
                           
                           That does not seem the mark of an unintelligent person.

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                              PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              He said he lacked the intelligence to be president, not that he was unintelligent.

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                                 wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes, I know.  Does that mean we should be running at IQ test on every candidate?  What should be the minimum - maybe 130?  Because I would have to say that Trump is likely more "intelligent" than the majority of past presidents.  No other president can boast of such a string of accomplishments - simply being successful in 3 vastly different fields is quite unusual, let alone being at the top of them.
                                 
                                 You may find him unethical, immoral, cruel, uncaring, self centered, egotistical, a misogynist, racist, etc....but none of those mean "not intelligent enough".

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                                    PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                    Sigh....it was, in my opinion, crystal clear from the get-go that Trump lacked the intelligence to be President. He pushed birtherism, for heaven's sake.  That should have been an automatic disqualifier for discerning voters.
                                    
                                    But, what do I know, the next GOP savior will probably be a QAnon acolyte screaming that the COVID-19 vaccine is really a microchip.

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                                    MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                    Well, now Wilderness, being born with a rich daddy didn't hurt him either. He is also cunning and insane.

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                                       wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                       Having a rich daddy or being cunning doesn't make him unintelligent either. 
                                       
                                       Insane might, but then there has not been a single psychiatrist to examine him, so that one is still in left field.  No matter how many people repeat it, it has still not been verified.

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                                    Tim Truzy info4uposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                    It's important to note: many brilliant people are behind bars, too.

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                                 Tim Truzy info4uposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 As I've stated before, research shows it's not what you know it's who you know. That's how many climb to the top. Money is an influencing factor, not representative of cognitive facilities.

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            GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Hmm . . .Vote-switching computer programs owned by Pelosi and Feinstein . . .
            Sounds like Qanon to me. What is your source for this conspiracy theory?
            
            Also, it appears your criticism of "half of the eligible voters" is also a bit off. Using 2020 numbers there were approx. 240+/- million eligible voters and of those, about  150+/- voted in the 2020 elections. Those are just round numbers, and may be of by a bunch, but, even so, 150+/- million is much more than half of the eligible voters. And more than 70% of registered voters. Is the difference between "eligible" and "registered" important to your point?
            
            So where do you get that nearly half of eligible voters never vote? Google says that even in low voter-turnout years the average is usually 57% to 61%.
            
            [b]"Then your half of the ones who you want to believe do vote are actually including dead people, illegals. . . "[/i] You stated that with such authority that I am sure you can provide support for your claim, right?
            
            GA

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               Kayode Doyakposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               If the average is 57%-61% that is nearly half isn’t it? No matter how you slice it half the eligible voters are not on the left as cred professes, and so the “progressives”as a percentage of total eligible voters is far less than half, actually a minority.
               
               You’ll see when people of this caliber
               
               https://youtu.be/pCEfiV5L0ig
               
               
               
               are alleging massive election fraud there is massive election fraud. Please come back when the Supreme Court settles this so I can say I told you so.

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                  GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  You may, or may not be right about the Liberal voter percentage claim. I don't know, I was only speaking to the point about 50% of eligible voters not voting.
                  
                  If the point was about registered voters I think this election's numbers were nearly 75%.
                  
                  GA

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                     Kayode Doyakposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     The point? My whole point was that  cred’s assertion that 50% of the “eligible” voters are liberals was ridiculous. They are actually a minority of eligible voters and anyway you want to cut it that is a fact.

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                        MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        If that is so, how did Hillary get a majority of the popular vote? Three million more than Trump did, if I remember correctly? Some states allow their electors to vote their own conscious rather than the will of the people, plus there was Russian interference in the 2016 election. Trump was not a DULY ELECTED president and it still gripes him.

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                           Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           The court recently ruled that unfaithful electors are not allowed, otherwise we would be ruled by a handful of people rather the will of the majority of American citizens.
                           
                           I will ask Wile E. Kayode, as well, how was it that Clinton received a majority of the popular vote?

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                              MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              Credence, I must have missed that court decision. That is wonderful. I wondered how we could have a democratic way of life with demagogues ruling our electoral vote.

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                           savvydatingposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Umm, are you not the person who proclaims to be a "seasoned journalist" of "the old school?"
                           
                           Are you stating that you do not understand how the electoral college works?
                           
                           Would you rather all voters move to CA, OR, and WA in order to gain the popular vote?
                           
                           The following is very easy reading to help answer your question:   "If that is so, how did Hillary get a majority of the popular vote?"
                           
                           This is how.
                           
                           https://www.manhassetschools.org/cms/li … eading.pdf
                           
                           Pay special attention to: "Small states saw the Electoral College as a way to have a say about who would be president without being dominated by the big states."
                           
                           Hope this helps.

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                              GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              You devil you, such subtlety in a velvet glove.
                              
                              GA

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                                 savvydatingposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 We have our moments... ；¬＿¬)

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               Kayode Doyakposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Yes vote switching by Pelosi owned company
               
               https://www.facebook.com/10001270264853 … 48798/?d=n

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                  GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I will have to look around for this. Your link wouldn't work for me.
                  
                  GA

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                     MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     OMG, GA, is she serious? I thought the Pelosi-Feinstein comment was her being facetious. The link didn't work for me either. It looks like Facebook took it down in one of their many operations to keep suspicious material off their pages.

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                        GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, I think the poster was serious. As for making an effort to confirm the information . . .I wasn't serious ;-)
                        
                        GA

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      James A Watkinsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What historian Jacques Barzun calls the GREAT SWITCH is the hijacking of the term ‘liberal’ since the 1930s. Its meaning has been reversed. Liberal originally meant Individualism - that individuals should be liberated from government interference to do as they please (as long as what they pleased to do was not evil). Liberalism meant ‘the best government is that which governs the least’—the exact opposite of what American Liberals push today: massive regulation, enormous entitlements, gigantic confiscation of wealth, colossal social welfare programs, and a Totalitarian State sticking its nose into every nook and cranny of American life—policing every act done, every word spoken, every thought thunk.

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      Tim Truzy info4uposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      We should leave diagnosing mental disorders to mental health professionals. In any case, a difference of opinion doesn't constitute a mental disorder.

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