Is the republican party falling apart?

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   Stevennix2001posted 3 years ago

   Given the recent series of events regarding the allegations of voter fraud, the massive divide in this country that grows everyday, and the recent situation on the capital building, is the Republican party falling apart?  According to various liberal media outlets like Young Turks and others, you have people claiming for the past few years that the Republican party itself was divided, and was going to fall apart after Trump's presidency.  I always dismissed that notion, as being fake news.  However, after the recent series of events, and seeing how not all Republicans supported Trump over the past four years, I'm starting to think that within a few years from now we may see the Republican party split up into two different political parties.  I could be wrong, but what do you guys think?  Does my theory hold water?  Or no?

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      Al Katrazposted 3 years agoin reply to this

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         Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Agree with paragraph 1... the Reps are fractured into smaller groups just as the Dems are.
         
         The bigger issue is that the majority of politicians, on BOTH sides, are beholden to Lobbyists, Corporations, Wall St.  and even foreign influences.
         
         They have their own rules, health insurance, retirement packages and police protection, they are separate and above, they are aloof and arrogant, they are a ruling elite.
         
         As for your second paragraph, I disagree.  Trump was nothing more than what I said he was years ago... the people's FU to those elites I mention above.
         
         Trump was sent there by the majority of those who voted for him as their representative of their disenfranchisement and dissatisfaction with the WHOLE government... especially Congress, but all of DC and how the country is being run.
         
         If I am correct in this analysis, then that means the problem is not going to go away with Trump.  It is going to fester and linger... and when the people who are against Trump realize that the problems remain, or have worsened, once he is gone... they most likely will join with those who are already agitated against the government and put Trump in there in the first place.
         
         And when the people finally figure out it is not BLM or KKK or any radical group that is the cause of their problems... but a corrupt to its core government (and the elite 1% that controls it) we may see a real mob storm DC and do some real damage... not a handful of nitwits taking selfies while wandering around the Capitol Building.

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      CHRIS57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Please allow my 2 cents from across the pond.
      
      I was always amazed that for 2 centuries the US was governed by 2 parties only. Normally in a democracy political demands for the well being of the people change. Ditches, canyons between political persuasions open up. I always thought that the open territory inbetween opposite opinions gives opportunities to form new parties. This happened and happens in Europe, never happened in the US.
      
      One reason why this didn´t happen in the US is the corporate character, the money character of politics. If elected official have to invest much energy and much effort to raise funds to keep their status quo this leads to networking in party and lobbyist circles. In other words: There is no fund raising for new parties, so the system is stuck with the 2 dinosaurs.
      
      From my interpretation of the situation many Americans understand this nature of the party system and try to uprise against. With D. Trump these Americans hoped to overcome this by electing someone in 2016 who presented himself being selfmade and independend, funding himself. Actually he could have been Democrat or non partisan. It did not really matter in the beginning me think. People simply were tired of the corporate and global mechanisms they didn´t understand. and D.T. suggested simple answers.
      
      This development drove a wedge into the Republican party. On one side the Trump supporters with a more domestic, populist view and on the other side the corporate Republicans with a global economic lobby perspective.
      
      It is not only the Republicans that seem to be divided. The Democrats have their cracks in the wood block as well. They have the same global economic lobby side as the Republicans and they have the AOCs and Bernie Sanders side for social equality.
      
      Putting aside the party history of the past 200 years the US of today has 4 streams of political perspective, the current parties representing 3 streams: 1. America concentrated populists (the Trump supporters), 2. Social justice and equality supporters (the AOCs and Sanders), 3. The corporate globalists (both from Republicans and Democrats). May be in the future another stream will show up: A preserving, conservative view for environement, the green perspective.
      
      Why doesn´t the US change its political funding system to European ways? Donations should be illegal and funding should come from taxpayers money, that is the European way. Will not totally put away the the corporate lobby character but will help to create parties that much more resemble the main streams of political perspective and allow new colors and flavors.

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         Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         It is only the Democratic Party left that is serious about curbing the influence of money and lobbyists in our political system. The Right sees corporations as a voice and moderate Dems are content with the the status quo.

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            ScottSBatemanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            At least some moderate independents and former Republicans are not content with the status quo. 

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               Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Nice to see you back and have you weigh in, Scott.
               
               I am glad to hear that there are others beyond the Democratic left that sees the malevolent influence as a problem.
               
               I always thought the least about people who allow themselves to be mesmerized by a single leader, willingly following him across boundaries of the unethical and illegal. The standard formula for every loathsome tyrant throughout history.

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                  ScottSBatemanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Glad to come back, Credence, at least for now. I deleted all of my articles and quit HP altogether a few months ago for a variety of reasons. But I couldn't ignore this new crisis by Trump.
                  
                  Yes, I agree completely. It's remarkable that some people still follow that standard dictator formula. They haven't learned a thing from history.

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                        ScottSBatemanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        

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                           savvydatingposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Took you awhile, Frick... or is this Frack.... Hard to tell since your ole buddy was permanently retired. ( Not his choice, apparently)
                           
                           https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/29/ob … ory-works/
                           
                           Leftists may find your idol's action funny, but Trump supporters... yeah,  not so much. 400,000 Syrians dead. 6.2 Syrians displaced and betrayed. History is a bitch, isn't it, Frack?

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               PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               My husband switched parties from Republican to Democrat after seeing how quickly Republicans fell in line behind Trump and defended every disgusting thing he did.

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                  ScottSBatemanposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Which is why I'm now a moderate independent instead of a Republican.

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   IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

   Well, Pence didnt fold and immediately. Trump attacked him. It was Pence, not Trump who activated the National Guard.
   
   And these are some of the comments from the GOP and conservative media.
   
   “The President bears responsibility for today’s events by promoting the unfounded conspiracy theories that have led to this point,” Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) said in a statement. “It is past time to accept the will of American voters and to allow our nation to move forward.”
   
   “There’s no question the president formed the mob, the president incited the mob, the president addressed the mob. He lit the flame,” said Liz Cheney, the third-highest-ranking House Republican. “What he has done and what he has caused here is something that we’ve never seen before in our history,” she told the network. “It’s been 245 years, and no president has ever failed to concede or agree to leave office after the Electoral College has voted, and I think what we are seeing today is the result of that, the result of convincing people that somehow Congress was going to overturn the results of this election, the results of suggesting that he wouldn’t leave office.”
   
   We gather today due to a selfish man’s injured pride and the outrage of his supporters whom he has deliberately misinformed for the past two months and stirred to action this very morning," he said in a press release.
   
   "What happened here today was an insurrection, incited by the President of the United States," said Mitt Romney. "Those who choose to continue to support his dangerous gambit by objecting to the results of a legitimate, democratic election will forever be seen as being complicit in an unprecedented attack against our democracy. They will be remembered for their role in this shameful episode in American history. That will be their legacy."
   
   
   James Mattis
   
   “Today’s violent assault on our Capitol, an effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule, was fomented by Mr. Trump. His use of the Presidency to destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens has been enabled by pseudo political leaders whose names will live in infamy as profiles in cowardice."
   
   "Our Constitution and our Republic will overcome this stain and We the People will come together again in our never-ending effort to form a more perfect Union, while Mr. Trump will deservedly be left a man without a country.”
   
   
   Commentary writer John Podhoretz wrote Trump bore responsibility for the violence at the Capitol and should be removed from office.
   
   "This rally itself happened because Trump called for it," he wrote. "The crowds gathered because Trump called for them. They moved to the Capitol down the Mall because Trump said they should. The breach of the Capitol is Trump’s fault. Some in the crowd have stormed the Congress."
   
   Dispatch editor Stephen Hayes also called for Trump to be impeached and removed from office.
   
   NewsBusters managing editor Curtis Houck called the images "horrifying" and said Trump was the "mastermind behind this terrorist attack."

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   IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

   "This gathering should send a message to them: This isn't their Republican Party anymore. This is Donald Trump's Republican Party." - Trump Jr.
   
   I think it says it all.

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      Stevennix2001posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Damn his son really said that?  Geez.   That can't be good.....

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   IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

   Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R, called on President Trump to resign Friday and questioned her future within the Republican Party.
   
   "I want him to resign. I want him out. He has caused enough damage," Murkowski said in an interview, according to the Anchorage Daily News.
   
   "I think he should leave. He said he’s not going to show up. He’s not going to appear at the inauguration. He hasn’t been focused on what is going on with COVID," she said. "He’s either been golfing or he’s been inside the Oval Office fuming and throwing every single person who has been loyal and faithful to him under the bus, starting with the vice president," she continued. "He needs to do the good thing, but I don’t think he’s capable of doing a good thing," she said.
   
   "If the Republican Party has become nothing more than the party of Trump, I sincerely question whether this is the party for me."

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      Stevennix2001posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'm glad I decided not to vote for anyone after Bernie Sanders lost in the primaries in 2016, and especially not for Trump because if I had voted for him, I know I would feel so guilty over the deaths that happened the other day honestly.

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