I feel like America has become the Twilight zone.
The border exploding with migrants and drugs pouring in daily, as well as migrants infected with COVID, and thousands of unaccompanied minors being in need of care.
Historic crime in democratic cites
COVID cases once again souring, and an administration that can't persuade people to get the vaccine.
Inflation getting worse daily.
China still not cooperating with COVID information.
Russia and Germany toasting their newfound cash cow Pipeline
Government Spending - spending - spending On PORK!
And now, a nightmare just waiting to happen --- The U.S. military will help evacuate Americans from the embassy in Kabul as the security situation deteriorates across Afghanistan.
It makes me wonder if we will see Military coffins being flown home... All due to Biden's poor planning, more or less being a day late and a dollar short? Hopefully and pray, the troops will make it home unscathed.
Biden's approval rate is plummeting in my opinion due to his inability to solve problems... I guess I had become accustomed to a president that was efficient in problem-solving. In my view Biden is scary, a mess.
Any thoughts? What do you think about Biden's first six months? Are you satisfied with his job performance?
I find your continued worship of a President who consistently attempted to murder the U.S. Constitution appalling.
But let's take a look at Afghanistan. Obama, Trump, and Biden all advocated for the end of American occupation of Afghanistan. Given just how quickly the situation has deteriorated, what exactly has more than 20 years of an American military presence there got us? Apparently nothing.
So what's your solution for Afghanistan? Just how much more money and American lives should we spend propping up a government that seems destined to fail. Given 20 years hasn't even been remotely enough, how much longer should we stay there?
I am all for pulling out of Afghanistan, never support the US being there. My concern was the American civilians should have been brought home as well as the Afghanistan workers before troops were pulled out. Seem like that would have been a sensible thing to do. I hope being a day late and a dollar short does not cause some to lose their lives due to backward planning. We are now entering cities that have already been taken back by the Taliban. Cities that were held and secured only weeks ago.
I guess we armchair quarterbacks will be safe. But will our military, and other American citizens? Hopefully, they will.
I applaud Trump for pushing to get us out of foreign entanglements, like Afghanistan.
I was listening to NPR today and the anchor was asking the most annoying questions of a military person. I found it offensive. Something like: "did you think everything you were doing would amount to nothing?" and "why did we get so little out of being there?" and "why have the Taliban taken over so quickly?"
To his credit, the guy responded by saying we could never succeed there because of the fact that the Taliban are not based in Afghanistan (I assume they're in Pakistan). Can't go bombing Pakistan.
It's a shame the politicians just can't extricate themselves from bad situations when it becomes obvious there's nothing to gain there.
Agree, this is another example of the foolishness of sending the military into a country where there is no end to conflict (like Vietnam) and it is evident from the very day we send troops in.
It comes from the hubris of thinking we know better what people in other countries want rather than letting the people in those countries decide for themselves.
All we knew at the time is that we needed to make the Taliban pay for 9/11. Unfortunately, the Taliban are based in Pakistan. As the military guy said, this was never going to work. The Taliban have been sitting back waiting for us to leave, which they knew would happen eventually. The Taliban has been growing stronger, not weaker.
The only avenue to success in Afghanistan is permanent occupation, which is not tenable.
It is a sad fact of existence that there are crappy governments in other countries that oppress their people that we cannot do anything about, no matter how hard we try or how much money we throw at the problem. We can provide aid, when requested, but the countries and their people have to do the work.
It's not even clear in our own country that citizens believe anymore that democracy is the best form of government.
I certainly agree it's becoming obvious many are ready to do away with democracy. I have always enjoyed living in a democracy. At this point in my life, I will go with the flow., I have made sure to have options. Can't really fight generational changes.
We have created and are creating the generations. Why give up, Sharlee?
Maybe we need to undo what we have done. What did WE do, you might ask?
Oh nothing .... but rebel and take everything that was handed to us by the greatest generation, who worked like the dickens for everything America has brought forth, for granted.
We need to take a step back and show reverence for what was created not only for us (and we have enjoyed it!), but posterity in general.
I do not believe our democratic republic was created to un-create.
I believe we have a duty to educate the youth. We CAN show them the error of our ways / yesterday, and their ways / today.
We must guide them through the school of hard knocks toward enlightenment. For such guidance, we need to become enlightened ourselves. Is it too late for that?
Thanks for this freedom of (a) speech.
That is where you are so very wrong.
Our actions come from greed, avarice, contempt, disdain and corruption being at the heart of such decision making.
The United States is home to half of the world’s 10 largest defense contractors and to 45 of the top 100 defense companies. These companies accounted for 61% of total arms sales by the world’s 100 largest defense contractors in 2019.
Congress has passed record high defense spending bills the past decade averaging over $600 Billion dollars a year.
During the Bush administration, Halliburton made nearly $40 billion from lucrative government contracts, Dick Cheney and his corporate allies got incredibly rich, over 100 Billion went to corporations that Cheney had ties to during his time as VP.
As of January 2020 the U.S. wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan have cost American taxpayers $6.8 trillion since they began in 2001.
Now do you understand?
Sharlee, remember that karma is a b-----h. Karma is coming for America and it isn't going to be pretty.
Biden breaks vow and leaves stranded Americans in the hands of bloodthirsty Taliban
"President Biden appears to have broken his promise to stay in Afghanistan until every American is evacuated.
Marine Corps Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr. announced Monday evening that the last of the U.S. troops stationed at the Kabul airport had left, completing the military’s drawdown in the country, even though hundreds of Americans likely remain.
McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command, said some American citizens who wanted to leave Afghanistan remain in-country".
President Joe Biden told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos during an interview on Aug. 18 that the U.S. military objective in Afghanistan was to get "everyone" out, including Americans and Afghan allies and their families.
"That's what we're doing now, that's the path we're on. And I think we'll get there," he said. "If there are American citizens left, we're gonna stay to get them all out."
A senior State Department official told Fox News on Monday that there is still a "small number" of Americans who are in Afghanistan.
That official put the number of Americans at "below 250," adding that some additional Americans have departed Afghanistan in recent hours. The official added that the State Department is also committed to evacuating "those who worked with us," referring to Afghan "partners."
"There's a lot of heartbreak associated with this departure. We did not get everybody out that we wanted to get out," McKenzie said
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … -evacuated
Really Joe Really - He is a disgrace. He is dangerous, He is an embarrassment --- And he lies without thought...
I definitely am.
Afghanistan was a Trump policy decision. Any withdrawal was going to be difficult, and Biden is making choices to keep our soldiers safe upon withdrawal. If you really feel the Taliban wants to risk hurting any American and giving us a reason to go back at them, you've got the scenario all wrong.
The Biden Administration has convinced plenty of reasonable people to get the vaccine. That sentence should have said, 'Biden being undermined by right-wing media in helping to protect Americans. Cases soaring but only hospitalizations rising in Red States.'
Not historic crime. Less than three decades ago and started 14 months ago during Covid while Trump was President. Biden gets tasked to clean up the mess.
Biden mends alliance with Germany by allowing the final 10% of a pipeline to be built. Ted Cruz endangers national security by blocking state department nominations in retaliation.
Inflation is what happens when no production takes place and then people get lots of money to spend. Limited goods and high demand leads to inflation. None of that is Biden's fault at all.
Central America economies in turmoil, natural disasters, cartel violence all leading to an influx in migration north. Biden deporting as fast as he can while not pulling a Trump and killing double digit children while in US custody or committing human rights violations by separating children from their families.
Much needed government spending on Climate crisis that the right entirely denies. The western US is on fire, going through historic draught. Right thinks it best to close eyes and ignore it. Ever think that might a reason they lost Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico?
Afghanistan was a Trump decision? Lordy. Way to rewrite history.
In your latest denial of reality, apparently you missed Trump negotiating a deal and signing it with the Taliban with a timeline for withdrawal of American troops.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload … .29.20.pdf
You need to study history, especially the history of the Trump years. To wit:
Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-se … n-collapse
GOP Quietly Scrubs Webpage Detailing Trump's 'Historic Peace Agreement With the Taliban'
https://gizmodo.com/gop-quietly-scrubs- … 1847492947
GOP Removes Page Praising Donald Trump's - Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/gop-removes-we … an-1619605
What does Trump have to do with the decisions of the Biden Administration regarding Afghanistan?
What Trump, or Obama before him, or Bush before him did in Afghanistan isn't relevant.
The Biden Administration could choose whatever course it wanted to.
This is what Biden alone chose.
The Biden Administration could have chosen to send the bulk of our military forces to Afghanistan if he wanted to. It was his choice, it is his Presidency, it really is as simple as that.
Ken. I wonder if anyone has read the agreement the US made with the Taliban under Trump. He has the situation under control. It would appear if Biden would have respected the signed agreement all might have gone smoothly. I am tired of seeing Trump take the brunt of the blame for this horrific mess Biden has caused. Biden has the right not to respect the US agreement, but he also should have offered a plan of his own to evacuate Afghanistan. How can other nations respect America when we disregard contracts? Trump left troops to show he wanted a smooth withdrawal of citizens that needed to leave. Biden let all the airport fall into the Taliban's hands without any thought to getting people out. he is an idiot. In my view we need to impeach him, he is dangerous to the nation, and can not handle the job.
The US agreement with the Taliban--- https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload … .29.20.pdf
He had none, he left for vacation ...
It seems the withdrawal should have occurred before now according to that.
I still put the responsibility on the Biden Administration, they could have chosen to go in any direction, take any course, other than the current fiasco the whole world is watching now.
And we know Trump would have not allowed them to invade and slaughter people in the cities like they are doing now. He promised the Taliban leaders in those meetings he would unleash retribution on them for breaking that treaty like the world had never seen (paraphrasing his threat/promise).
Yes, the pull-out and evacuations were to be completed by May 1, 2021. Biden just decided not to respect the agreement.
This is such a time bomb, it's hard to watch. Biden needs to step down or be impeached. I realize harris would be a poor replacement. However, she at best is not cognitively compromised. I am truly afraid of this man holding power over our nuclear codes. Time for the Democrats to toss in their cards. Biden is not fit to govern.
I disagree, Harris is completely incompetent for other reasons, its hard to believe we have both a President and VP completely and totally incompetent, but we do.
Yes incompetent, but not mentally compromised. Neither are suited for the job --- so now what? How in the hell did we come to all of this? I just hope we can get our people and troops the hell out of there by some miracle. This mess needs to be investigated from the bottom up. We need answers, and we need them quickly.
... is this what "beholden to China" looks like?
But he went by the decision of the American polls that demanded that our troops be removed from Afghanistan. It would be interesting to see if Trump had followed through on that treaty had he been re-elected, so Biden picked up Trump's ball and ran with it. And that's different, how?
Biden in no respect kept to the US agreement with the Taliban. He had a plan to follow he chose not to respect that agreement. We will never know if we would have departed as promised by May 1 2021 that it would have gone more smoothly. Biden knew of the agreement he ignored it. After May 1 the Taliban once again became more aggressive, and abandon the agreement. I posted a copy of the agreement, I hope more will read it,
When Trump was in office he kept to the agreement, the Taliban did break it a bit but were also pretty much keeping it. We had not had one soldier killed in 18 months due to Trump's strength, and trying to keep to the US agreement.
Here's what you don't understand.
To pull out of Afghanistan on May 1, those plans would have already needed to be set in motion by Trump. Either they were or they weren't. If they weren't already set in motion, then Trump set Biden up.
I appreciate your thoughts. However, I disagree after doing lots of research on the matter. To sum up my research, I studied the Trump/Talibab contract, I considered what was going on in Afghanistan in Trump's last months (Taliban were somewhat keeping to the contract, and not a single soldier was killed in 18 months). All looked as it was going smoothly until Biden took office. The Taliban then became aggressive, and nothing was done to attempt to start pulling out civilians. Trump's plan was to remove civilians first and then weaponry, then troops. I feel his May 1 withdrawal plans would have gone smoother.
It has now been proven factually he did not listen to the CIA, military, or his own State Department. I think at this point it is better to wait until the investigation into its mess before we dispute Biden's handling of the problem. I will go out on a limb and predict no one will take a fall for the mess in regards to the CIA, Military, or the State Department.... Leaks are already out covering all butts.
I just hope Biden is impeached sooner than later.
Never in history has a President said more often he would do stuff and then never do it (Trump).
Impeachment requires a crime, generally. If we're going to impeach Presidents for making mistakes or doing a poor job, this country is done. And if Biden is impeached, I suspect D.C. will burn to the ground. If Republicans can gain control of the Senate and House in 2022, it may very well happen.
And in every post, your 'research' never once mentions the 5,000 Taliban prisoners that Trump and Pompeo helped release before we finished our withdrawal. Check to see if that might have been around the same time the Taliban 'became aggressive.'
Again, giving the Taliban the strength they needed to overwhelm the Afghan government before we finished our withdrawal is simple stupidity.
I have repeatedly posted a link to the full agreement I posted the full agreement hoping some would read it, and not just snippets. One would assume I read the section in regard to the prisoner's release.
"The United States is committed to start immediately to work with all relevant sides on a plan
to expeditiously release combat and political prisoners as a confidence-building measure with
the coordination and approval of all relevant sides. Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of
the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and
is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be
released by March 10, 2020, the first day of intra-Afghan negotiations, which corresponds to
Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
The relevant sides have the goal of releasing all the remaining prisoners over the course of the
subsequent three months. The United States commits to completing this goal. The Islamic
Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known
as the Taliban commits that its released prisoners will be committed to the responsibilities
mentioned in this ag"
Too bad Biden ignored the agreement, it makes one wonder due to the agreement being kept under Trump, what if Biden would have respected it, and been out by the date May 1, 2021.
In my view closing our only large airbase in the dark of night drawing troops down to 900, and putting them on a commercial airport was very smart. Just smarter to evacuate all that we were going to evacuate before closing the airfield 45 minutes from Kabul. and depending on the very small airport to remove over 100 thousand people. He has our troops sitting on a runway like sitting ducks. This man literally sickens me...
I have complete confidence his incompetence in this matter will be investigated, and show he is unfit to be president and removed from office.
You're a broken record at this point, always just repeating the same tired tropes. Biden had every right to take time and evaluate the agreement since it was not ratified by Congress, allowing him to put his own national security in place to determine if it was in the country's best interests.
I do hope the matter is investigated also, and you come to understand how the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership. So as the Taliban violated Trump's agreement, he removed troops before the rest of American citizens were evacuated. If you think that this would have been any different once Trump withdrew our forces, you're in more denial of reality than I thought.
And I'm thankful that you're not running our military since driving 45 minutes from Kabul to our 'large airbase' would have been a security nightmare that would have put Americans in even more danger.
It is apparent the information had to be repeated. The agreement gives one the facts about a well laid out agreement, and plan, as well as dates. My point --- all was going smoothly until Buden broke the agreement, and showed no indication of any plan to evacuate citizens after he broke the deal.. Biden then comes up with a new date due to being cornered and caught up in his own lack of a plan. He made a failed ridiculous attempt to blame Trump for his own mistakes, his stupidity.
The Taliban kept the deal up to May 1st... You will need to provide some proof of your claims that the Taliban was breaking the deal before the May agreement deadline...We all know the Taliban disregarded the deal after May that deadline. The US did not keep its word in any respect after Biden became president.
The agreement was not respected by Biden in any respect.
Trump left 2,500 troops had Bgram open and ready to handle the evacuation. That base was up and efficiently functioning until it was closed by Biden, leaving a ton of weaponry, as well as a functioning hospital, he left the US with not one airbase, not one. It makes one wonder how he thought he could evacuate over a hundred thousand human beings from a rudimentary very small AIRPORT! I am not being realistic, really?
It would seem you feel you are a military strategist. I will wait to hear what our military strategist has to say, what Biden was told, and when.
The agreement was being kept until Biden broke it... He made all worse when the 5,000 prisoners were let out when Bogram was deserted due to Biden's fumbling of Trump's deal. These prisoners are now a threat to our troops. Trump's agreement stipulated the Taliban and the Afghanistan Government were to negotiate the release of prisoners. Another reason a keep offering the Agreement. Some here are making false statements about the release of the 5,000 prisoners. That's on Biden, these prisoners walked out due to Biden's plan.
https://www.businessinsider.com/thousan … ver-2021-8
https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/how-priso … o-victory/
https://www.msnbc.com/gibson-reiser/wat … 8742085913
"I do hope the matter is investigated also, and you come to understand how the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500"
I am very aware of the fact Trump kept to the agreement and drew troops down. The large majority left at Bogram to conduct a planned controlled evacuation. Fact, Biden closed Bogram, released up to 5,000 prisoners, and further drew troops down to 600 troops, set them up in tents on an AIRPORT. Great plan...
You can continue to make excuses, in my view, Biden has blood on his hands, clearly had no plan, most likely did not take the advice of defence advisers. And I for one saw this horrific mess coming. he is unfit to be president, he is dangerous, and I would well think most American's feel very unsafe today with him in the White House.
He should have kept to the agreement, a well laid out plan. He has portrayed an unbelievable weakness, and the world has witnessed his weakness and his illogical thinking since he walked into the presidency.
He needs to be impeached with good speed.
An excellent fact filled retort.
It is of course why Biden pleaded with the reporters the other day to blame Trump. One thing you have to love about Biden's dementia, it has him constantly saying in public what a typical politician only says behind closed doors.
Like when he asked FaceBook to censor people putting out information contrary to what he wanted, during a press conference.
I'm sure eventually the MSM will toe-the-line and try to put the blame on Trump, but only those foolish enough to fall for their nonsensical garbage will believe it.
All anyone needs to remember, Biden had more than six months to do whatever he wanted ... This is the result of Biden's leadership alone.
Suffice it to say, the end of our time in Afghanistan was going to be a tragedy from the second we stepped foot in that country. That's what you get when you try to change a country without bothering to understand its government or its people. It's also what you get when politicians drive foreign policy and do everything they can to ignore the strategic analysis of the military.
Yes, Biden screwed up, but so did Trump and Obama and Bush before him.
While not particularly astute, Trump deserves considerable credit for his foreign policy views, which were that much of our foreign involvements were just flushing money down a toilet. In a way, Biden's actions are a continuation of Trump's policies and an acknowledgement that we're better off out of these countries than in them.
Remember, there are probably 25 countries just like Afghanistan (if not more) that treat their women like crap and operate under oppressive conditions. Some of them are our allies.
I have actually stayed away from the frays here on HP for about a week... However, I had to jump in due to all the disinformation, and in my view misguided opinions. I can't believe anyone with any common sense could be blaming Trump for this horrific crisis. It shocks me and makes me very angry. Can you even imagine the indignation that would be occurring if any of this occurred under Trump if even one soldier came to harm?
This crap has become untorerable to put up with any longer.
Not sure how anyone could defend Biden's actions. One can follow his actions as he provided them. Thank God for the internet. He has pretty much documented all his mistakes live on Youtube, in his own speeches, and interviews. One only needs to do a bit of research to see he did not listen to his advisories, and it is also clear that in some of their statements they are not going to take the blame for his disastrous dessions. He will be hung by their very accounts. Biden is so dangerous, it's hard to imagine what he could do if left in office. We are certainly in a perdicument. He has ignored the border, which at this point is not being covered but still, migrants are pouring in.
My God has there ever been such a poorly handled crisis? Can you imagine what China and Russia are thinking, are plannimg? This is very serious, and he needs to be removed.
So absolutely apt in regards to your posts and perspectives.
That's the problem, he didn't pick up the ball and run with it.
In fact, he has disappeared from world view during this fiasco.
By my understanding of the Treaty, the Taliban have broken it, therefore there should be massive retaliation against them. That is what Trump promised to do if they broke the treaty.
Regardless, the optics of seeing people hanging onto planes as they move down the runway, the optics of seeing the Taliban sitting in the Capitol Palace, is damning.
The speed at which Afghan cities fell, in days rather than the months predicted by U.S. intelligence, and the likely crimes against humanity that will soon follow and be told on international news sites all over the globe (though probably not in the US) is going to have a long lasting impact on the Biden Administration's ability to do anything regarding foreign policy.
The fall of the Afghan government was assumed the minute Trump signed the agreement and Biden chose to honor it by US intelligence. Whether the government fell today or 18 months from now, this agreement led to the same conclusion - that the Taliban would take control of the country.
And why would Pompeo and Trump convinced the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners before we finished our withdrawal? That doesn't seem very smart at all.
It is true Afganastans' fall would bring confusion and even death of the people. We are dealing with terrorists with a religion that condones torture and even the death of non-believers.
But should it have ever brought us to the day our military was trapped at one airport in the country, unable to leave and do the job they are there for? Our Government sending out the message to Americans that they want them to come to an airport, but the US government would not be responsible for their safety.
In my view Biden has proved over and over he can't solve problems, only make them worse. His lack of listening skills, as well as his ill-placed ego, thinking he himself could run such a military plan is outrageous in my view.
The very facts show he has put our troops and citizens in great danger, Gen. Milley made that very clear in his press conference yesterday.
The investigations that will follow will show he did not listen to this own military expert. Gen. Milley gave a preview of what's to come yesterday when he claimed enough troops did not provide to safely complete the mission of saving Bagram airbase and the embassy... The Gen. was given one or the other choice. None of those in command will fall on a sword for Biden. I am very sure in the end blame will land where it is deserved. I have faith that Milley and any others that are called will be truthful.
All I have stated is about the here and now--- all Biden decisions are what lead to this mess. He should be impeached, and quickly so America can regain the respect from our allies. Yeah, Biden promised to put us back on the world stage --- he did and has made a mockery of America. All of the world are witnessing a military with no might and a weak president that does not have governing skills.
And yet our reputation still is the best. The world knows we are capable and strong, militarily.
Yes, in your eyes and the eyes of other Republicans (like that idiotic Tom Cotton). The fact of the matter is that the Afghan people will NOT defend themselves. We could have been there for the next 100 years, and the same thing would have happened when we pulled out. They depended on the U.S. to fight their battles for them. We spent time and money training them to fight, but they fled like rabbits as soon as their protectors pulled out. They have had hundreds, maybe thousands, of years to learn to fight for their freedom like other Arabs and Jews have, but why have they not developed the courage, like other Arabs and Jews, to do so? Why are we their keeper? Because George W. Bush started the whole dang thing! Go back to him. He should have pulled our troops out of the middle East when he saw he'd started a war that we wouldn't win anyway. Neither he nor any president after him was willing to pull out. Why? Big Oil. Now that we are reducing our dependence on middle East oil, Biden is willing to pull out, and most of the noise that you are hearing is from Big Oil.
Every word you said rings true... I never wanted the US to enter Afganastan, I was overjoyed when Trump said he was pulling out. I have a problem with how Biden handled this evacuation. he did not listen to the many around him, not even the Military Generals. This is such a tragedy, in fact, it is the worst I have ever witnessed. What a shame America will have to shoulder the burden of this mess. I did not vote for this man, I knew due to his history he was not up for the job. I am glad I can say this... if only he would have taken the advice from those that gave it... And when this mess is investigated, I feel assured none that tried to advise him will be willing to fall on a sword for him. We will hear the sad truth, he just would not listen.
I pray for the troops that are literally stationed in a small airport. And any and all in harm's way due to Biden's poor careless planning.
Our previous President signed a treaty with the Taliban. Let that sink in for a moment. Could you literally take a bigger dump on the graves of the victims of 9/11 than by signing a treaty with the Taliban?
Things such as Afghanistan don't happen overnight. This was two decades in the making, with every president involved in some way or another. To think we could go into Afghanistan, establish a democracy, and leave peacefully, is foolishness from the beginning. We were there to eradicate Al Qaida, but Bush changed the mission to democracy-building and put us on the path to this result.
There's a good article in today's NY Times, very critical of Biden. Likely, his Sec. of State, Anthony Blinken, bears a lot of the responsibility and probably should resign. It's typical politician behavior - laser-focused on an outcome and unwilling to hear alternative views. Blinken was determined to pull out without considering anything. I very much doubt anyone in the military would have planned the withdrawal this way.
It's completely embarrassing and Biden is responsible for a total lack of leadership. However, one should consider the near impossibility of a smooth withdrawal or a positive result without a permanent force in the country. We are handing the country over, one way or another, to the Taliban. What did we think was going to happen?
What exactly would you expect from signing a "peace" treaty with the Taliban?
I have posted the contract the US government had with the Taliban. One only needs to read the short document to see much of the agreement was being complied with on both sides. It seems not many are interested to actually read the document. IT is very simply drafted and short, it is worth a read. In the end, it will be well talked about when Congress investigates this problem.
I expect a peace treaty to be followed. In reality, most are followed, not to the letter, but in some respects. Trump's agreement was being followed in many respects. For one thing --- attacks on our won soldiers were almost non -existence.
I guess we think differently in regard to peace-type treaties. It's historically true many are not respected. This one was in many respects being respected until Biden came into office.
Trump has a group working on how the evacuation could be handled. when he left office. Biden canceled, dismantled that group on June 11...
for no apparent reason. He just did not in any respect considering the Trump/Taliban agreement, or even keep the group that had been working on getting people out safely. From the day Biden walked into the office he has worked to nullify anything that was Trump... He just should have perhaps kept the EO that were clearly benefiting Americans. He appeared to be showing spite, which has truly added to our society's many divisions.
I hear Trump has characterized his run for office in 2024 as a "vengeance" tour.
In regard to any comments about the treaty, my response will forever be: IT'S THE TALIBAN.
That said, the whole thing is a fiasco and Biden deserves his fair share of the blame for not prioritizing a safe, orderly withdrawal.
I think you'll notice a huge difference in this situation. Democrats are readily acknowledging the problem here and blaming Biden appropriately and asking question. Republicans do nothing of the sort with their own or with Trump. They just bury their heads in the sand and contort their logic to suit the moment.
I respect your opinion, I do always hear in your comments a good amount of innate common sense. Today my attitude is poor, I am angry... I am hoping we can get all out safe.
That's nice of you to respect my opinion. I just wish you would realize that this disaster was 20 years in the making. Foreign debacles like this are rarely the responsibility of one man. Sure, Biden deserves blame, but so does everyone else. Biden shouldn't resign because he got a debacle put onto his plate because, no matter what was done, the result was going to be the Taliban killing people and making sure women were second-class citizens.
If Presidents resign every time they make a mistake or have a setback, we wouldn't have any Presidents.
What you're not appreciating is the historical perspective on this. What we've done in Afghanistan is basically the American way. We do this same thing over and over. We're all to blame. We think we can go into any country and remake them in our image. We try over and over and fail a lot. Iraq hasn't exactly gone well either.
Where does the "we" come from?
Our government does these things, at the behest of Centralized Banking, International Corporations, and the Military Industrial Complex.
Your "we" is actually the people who are responsible for running our nation and the world... not the "we" of "we the people".
"We" are just as much at odds with the machinations of Centralized Banking, International Corporatism, and the Military Industrial Complex as anyone. "We" didn't want war with Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam or anyone else... "We" were never threatened by those countries.
America getting out of Afghanistan is not a bad thing... how ineptly we are getting out IS a bad thing. And only the current Administration is responsible for that.
This was Biden's mess in the making... only a month ago that doddering old fool got in front of cameras and scoffed at the idea that Afghanistan could fall to the Taliban...his 'leadership' is on full display, this is his mess.
'And only the current Administration is responsible for that...'
So, as a military person, you thought the idea of drawing down the American troops from 13,000 to 2,500 BEFORE we evacuated American citizens was the best plan? That doing that drawdown after the Taliban began violating the agreement and attacking Afghan forces was still not a 'bad thing?' That freeing 5,000 additional Taliban fighters before we evacuated was smart?
I'm not saying Biden's administration doesn't deserve criticism, but to make such a partisan statement that 'only the current administration is responsible' ignores much of what has actually happened that has led to destabilizing the country before we have completed our evacuations.
It is ALL Biden's Administration... absolutely no one else is responsible.
Seven months, and really more than that, as his Administration had time to assess what they were going to do long before he took office.
I wouldn't trust anyone who is clearly struggling with declining mental faculties to be making any decisions of importance. This fiasco is due largely to his mental incompetence, the rest is due to his arrogance.
Less than a month before Afghanistan fell... the doddering old fool stood before the world and said the Taliban was no threat, he scoffed at the idea.
Less than a day before 13 marines were killed and another 18 wounded... the doddering old fool stood in front of the world and said it was all under control, no Americans were being harmed or would be... total detachment from reality, that's what happens when you get old and suffer from dementia. Deny Biden's cognitive decline all you want, it is only going to get worse as time goes on.
If you really think no one else is responsible, then we will just have to disagree. Trump, after having lost election and five days prior to leaving office drew the troops down to 2,500. He wanted to withdraw troops elsewhere internationally and had to be talked out of that by his national security advisors. I don't need to wonder why, they clearly saw the dangers this would pose to American interests.
'I wouldn't trust anyone who is clearly struggling with declining mental faculties to be making any decisions of importance.' Really? You seem pretty all-in on the guy with a clear case of malignant narcissism.
And Biden was right, it wasn't the Taliban that was the threat, it was ISIS. No Americans were being harmed when he spoke, even though there were warnings issued of a credible threat from his administration. Saying no Americans would be hurt seems pretty equivalent to 'we have the virus under control.' Did you make the same claims of Trump's mental decline when he tried to be hopeful when the US was facing a dangerous scenario? No? Shocking. Well, not really. The partisan rage on this site is off the charts.
Who cares what Trump did. It has NOTHING to do with this.
This didn't start occurring two days after Trump left office... we are well over HALF A YEAR after he left.
This is ALL BIDEN... ALL OF IT. His Administration, his decisions.
He could have put half a million troops back into Afghanistan if he wanted to. He could have said screw Trump... why didn't he?
Biden said screw Trump day one with our Border crisis.
Biden said screw Trump day one when it came to Oil and Gas production.
Biden said screw Trump day one with the Paris Accord, with Student Loans, with allowing LGBTQ+ to serve, etc. etc.
But in over half a year he did nothing in Afghanistan because of Trump?
You people who suffer from TDS really need to seek some mental health counseling because you have no ability to rationally deal with reality.
And those with TDS (Trump Demagogue Syndrome) really are willing to whitewash history time and time again to overlook any negative action he takes when Americans die. There are multiple examples including Covid, January 6, and now Afghanistan.
Saying Biden took no action to increase troop presence is false, as he did just that. Why didn't he change his mind on Afghanistan withdrawal? Because the majority of America believes that to be the right decision, including many Trumpers.
Like I said, drawing the troops down before we left and sitting back as the Taliban began violating the agreement started long before Biden and his national security team were evaluating the situation regarding Afghanistan.
There's plenty of culpability to go around when you're not in denial of the actions both administrations took.
No it's a difference of one looking for an excuse not to blame the person fully and completely responsible for what is now occurring.
While the other puts responsibility on the guy who is in control and is making the decisions.
One guy had the authority to change this scenario. It's the one guy who scoffed at a reporter a month ago when he was questioned about Afghanistan and the withdrawal, not that I expect you to do anything more than try to rationalize why it's not Biden's fault.
"So, as a military person, you thought the idea of drawing down the American troops from 13,000 to 2,500 BEFORE we evacuated American citizens was the best plan? That doing that drawdown after the Taliban began violating the agreement and attacking Afghan forces was still not a 'bad thing?' That freeing 5,000 additional Taliban fighters before we evacuated was smart? "
First --- Not sure of your logic you complain that Trump's logic to draw troops down was a mistake. Facts show the 2,500 troops that were based at Bogram were functioning without problem, the Agreement was being kept in regard to the Taliban.
It was Biden that went against the advice of his advisers to further decrease troops.
"The Wall Street Journal reported in April that Biden’s decision to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan went against recommendations from top military commanders — specifically Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East; Gen. Austin Miller, commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan; and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.
The military commanders reportedly wanted the continued troop presence to maintain stability in the country as officials worked to support peace talks between the Afghan government and Taliban. According to the Journal, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin shared the concerns of the military commanders about withdrawing all troops. The U.S. had 2,500 troops in Afghanistan when Biden took office in January."
Source -- https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … -troops-in
he had troops drawn down to 600 to 900 (reports vary), and when the airport problems started to occur he had to send thousands back in to aid at the airport.
Then Biden enters and draws the troops down to about 600 -900. So, do you consider that to be a mistake?
Secondly --- Bot sure you are aware the prisoners were not released while Trump was in office. That occurred when Biden closed Bogram on August 15, 2021. Source https://www.msnbc.com/gibson-reiser/wat … 8742085913
Yes, that release was part of the agreement, but the agreement stipulated the Taliban and the Government of Afghanistan would plan the release of the prisoners. The fact is, Biden apparently did not care about 5,000 terrorists being released to further complicate the evacuation of citizens and our Troops.
It would seem you are not truly aware of the simple agreement Trump made with the Taliban, or how it fell apart. The fact is Biden offered up 5,000 prisoners, that could have killed the 13 young soldiers at the airport. We have no way of knowing, but we do know Biden's poor decision-making ended up releasing 5,000 terrorists. the majority of ISIS terrorists. This has proved to make the evacuation much more dangerous. 13 soldiers are dead ISIS has been blamed...
How can you defend how Biden has handled this situation? How can you blame anyone else for this horrible tragedy?
Let's get some facts straight. Under pressure from the US, the first prisoners were actually released on March 10, 2020 - 1,500 of them and the last 400 of the 5,000 were released on September 3, 2020. Your misunderstanding of when prisoners were actually released is the start of your fabricated narrative of what you say is misinformation. It appears you are the misinformed one in this case.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/worl … talks.html
Do I think either Trump or Biden should have drawn down the troops? No. But the destabilization started long before Biden:
On August 18, 2020, the Defense Department inspector general’s office says, “The Taliban did not appear to uphold its commitment to distance itself from terrorist organizations in Afghanistan. UN and U.S. officials reported that the Taliban continued to support al-Qaeda, and conducted joint attacks with al-Qaeda members against Afghan National Defense and Security Forces.”
So your statement that American forces were functioning without a problem completely ignores the destabilization going on around the country that will make the situation on the ground more dangerous for Americans during an evacuation. I could list dozens of reports about the violence that began months before Biden was sworn in, but they are readily available publicly.
So how I can blame both Biden and Trump, as I have stated that there is plenty of culpability for both, is that it was clear to all that the Taliban was not complying with the agreement as was noted by our defense department, intelligence services, and the Afghan government long before Biden decided to honor the agreement, and instead of halting our troop drawdown, our government capitulated to the Taliban violence and merging with Al-Queda.
Again to quote "NBC News has confirmed that the Bagram Air Base has fallen into the hands of the Taliban, where they will be emptying out prison housing 5,000 Taliban and Al Qaeda prisoners." FACTS All your dancing around can't really change the fact Biden released 5,000 prisoners in a time that we just did not need more enemies... Can't imagine why he would have done this, only that he has provided a very bad crisis, that will ultimately cause more death, more coffins to return home. I have no problem with the decision to pull out only the final Biden plan. It made no sense, and I am sure at some point an investigation will show he did not listen to his advisers. We will never know what would have occurred under Trump. I don't assume he would have created such a crisis.
https://www.msnbc.com/gibson-reiser/wat … 8742085913
So your TDS (Trump Demagogue Syndrome) still prevents you from accepting that Trump pressured the Afghan government to release 5,000 prisoners as I correctly stated starting ten months before Biden was sworn in. Or that the troop drawdown from 13,000 to 2,500 could have contributed to the Taliban violating the agreement and throwing the country into disarray before we finished our withdrawal. Got it.
As for Bagram, Gen. Mir Asadullah Kohistani insisted the Afghan National Security and Defense Force could hold on to the heavily fortified base despite a string of Taliban wins on the battlefield. The airfield also includes a prison with about 5,000 prisoners, many of them allegedly Taliban. And yet, you claim Biden released the prisoners? Another fabricated narrative.
My conversation has concentrated on what Biden has done on his time --- I offered you once again the link. This confused man released 5,000 terrorists at the time we were preparing to evacuate citiznes. That is a fact, 5,000 more terrorists were allowed to join the Taliba ib Kabul, and to blow up 13 of our soldiers.
It is also being reported the Taliban offered to wait to occupy Kabul until we had evacuated. All we need to do was to take over the security of Kabul. Biden has blood on his hands... He needs to step down or be removed. He is dangerous and has left America open to terrorism here in our homeland due to his open borders, and lack of ability to vet those being brought into the country. I have fabricated nothing --- my link provided the facts.
This man is weak and has shown his weakness to the world --- He will bring nothing but horrific problems to our homeland he needs to go... North Korea Appears to Have Restarted Yongbyon Nuclear Reactor
https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-kore … 1630268905
There is a force behind the scenes. This fact we must acknowledge. We must identify who it is and determine what they want. If they want countries, no country should give themselves over to this force through financial dealings, bribes or promises that seem too good to be true, as many are
... or already have
Some have thought twice about it.
For instance, the Philippines.
Fact - Biden left Bagram in the hands of the Afghan security forces. He never 'released 5,000 terrorists' as you just lied about. The US evacuated Bagram on July 1st. The Taliban did not seize the prison until August 15th, when the Afghan forces surrendered the base. So your made up reality that Biden released 5,000 terrorists is definitely a lie.
And go ahead and post your link to back up your claim that the Taliban offered to wait to occupy Kabul. Would love to see what right-wing site created that one.
Also, you make the claim that all 5,000 prisoners that the Taliban freed when they defeated the Afghan army at Bagram were terrorists. Many were Taliban. Does that mean Trump, who negotiated with the Taliban are all terrorists? Seems then that Trump is just as responsible for leaving America open to terrorism. And no, the border is not open as you claim. I can provide plenty of links that show that the border patrol is functioning just fine.
I have nothing to say to anyone that supported or in any respect defends Biden --- Zero
Mostly correct. But massive retaliation how?
There's not enough time to get troops into the country. And because the Taliban are guerrilla fighters, infiltrated into the general population throughout the country, what are we going to do, bomb? Bomb the country to save it?
Well, Crank and Sharlee, check this out.
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-se … n-collapse
1. The agreement with the Taliban that Trump crowed about was just political crap not worth the paper it was printed on. How do you not involve the Afghan Governent in any such agreement? Can that be taken seriously?
2. This is the same guy that actually believed that Greenland could be for sale by Denmark
3. He trashes the agreement with Iran consummated by Barack Obama in 2015, unilaterally without bothering to consult with other signatories and allies.
Is there not a pattern to be identified here?
I suggest you read the agreement and make a more educated opinion on what is in the agreement.
I have read it. It is a very simple, and short, forward agreement. I am never impressed by opinion pieces when I can look at a factual document, and come to my own conclusions.
I have posted the like to the document about 10 times here on HP. It still appears no one is willing to discuss the contents of it and the fact that much of the agreement was being upheld by both sides.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload … .29.20.pdf
"Of course, the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a “peace” deal since one of the parties currently at war — the Afghan government — was not a signatory. Rather, this was a “withdrawal” agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021."
This is a true assessment, however, although it is true the agreement was labeled as "Bringing Peace " it was solely an agreement that set down a negotiation on the US pulling out of Afghanistan, and the safe evacuation of the people that needed evacuating. In my opinion, it was a smart move that could have assured a smooth or smoother pull-out. I was on the border with this form of the pullout, a planed one... I feel Trump used good sense and had a plan which first got citizens evacuated, then the equipment, lastly troops. He had a plan, he also held a huge stick, and the Taliban knew he would use it. There, you have my opinion... For what it's worth --- I am standing by it.
And yes, Trump did offer his opinion and trashed paying cash to a country that supports terrorism in the middle east (even though yes it was their cash) no president but Obama made the decision to hand it over. At the very time, we were fighting terrorism at home, as well as in the middle east fighting ISIS! Obama literally financed what we see today --offered up cash to literally support those we were fighting. Trump certainly had an opinion in the case of Obama's agreement. Did not we all? I was so proud the president said what I was thinking. That's the difference, Trump did share his opinion and it was not a guarded political ploy. He said what he felt, it was very much agreed with by many American's.
I won't be at all surprised if Biden tries to pay our way out of this mess... Giving this bunch more funds to keep their violence going.
It is very apparent we have different ways of coming to an opinion, and we as a rule disagree. I will at this point remind you I have been warning all along this man can not solve problems, only make them. It's clear you feel differently, At this juncture and due to the horrific mess Biden has caused due to not having the skills to govern, I can honestly say --- I don't respect where you are coming from. He has brought shame and embarrassment to the country. This could also turn into a bloodbath. I pray it does not...
Biden needs to step down, this problem is inexcusable, and never had to occur.
The "factual document" did or did not include the agreement of the Afghan government as a party to it? Such a withdrawal plan would have to had the concurrence of the very government directly involved or were they merely just chopped liver? That is a basis for credibility for me, anyway.
Yes, we profoundly disagree, I have no respect for your blaming Biden for all and everything that has transpired.
What made Trump think that he is so well versed in foreign affairs to just abrogate an consummated agreement unilaterally? (Iran)
I neither liked his instincts nor trusted him, but for you he has been the messiah. C'est la vie, to each, his or her own, I guess.
And now the right wing chatteboxes complain about the possibility that Afghan refugees would be coming to America. Racism and xenophobia takes precedence with them once again.
Short of being able to walk on water, you will always find fault with Biden whether it is earned or not. Not exactly the stuff of objective and impartial analysis
I blame every bit of this on Biden. I will go one further when it is investigated so will all of the actors that have had to play a part in this mess... I assume you watched Gen. Milley's press conference. He was clearly truthful and claimed he was not given the troops he needed to secure the Bagram airport and the US embassy, given the option of one or the other. The CIA has leaked they warned him of the complete speedy fall they expected, as did the State Department. This will be such an embarrassing investigation to witness.
"And now the right-wing chatterboxes complain about the possibility that Afghan refugees would be coming to America. Racism and xenophobia take precedence with them once again."
Today Biden ordered that Afgan refugees at this point can not be brought into the US... The GOP is very worried about the plight that Biden has put so many Afgan citizens in. I am sad to hear you say that. Have you seen Biden's quotes on the pull-out of Vietnam, and Syria? They are disgraceful. And don't bear repeating. Joe Biden has proved himself to be racist time and time again as well as a xenophobe.
I will always find fault with Biden I have for over 50 years. I have always found him to be a racist, and show very little respect for women or the truth. If you choose to ignore his past and what he is doing presently That's on you..
I will step away, it would seem unproductive to continue with the conversation, we are miles apart.
Nice excuses but none make much sense in my view. However, we all have opinions and come by them differently.
Don't know how anyone can figure we are not in a worst mess now ever!!! Than when Trump was in power in the country. With faster growing Covid ever, into the lowest season for infections.
I personally don't like Trump, he stolen $10,000 from me, as I earned it on a job for him.
I think you are in good company we have half the country really disliking or one could say hating Trump. LOL
I truly can say from my point of view --- I have not witnessed a more inept president, and we certainly have had some in our short history. Biden win's first prize.
Don't like politicans at all on the federal level, since JFK or maybe Carter, would call both intelligence.
Biden sounds tipsy or like part- timers with a foot in the grave. Primed fit for a zombie and robot apocalypse.
At least Trump was my favorite comedian, accept what he was actually doing, was not funny any more.
we all understand there is a group behind the president. We know the facts of the matter. That Obama walks into the White House at least once a week.
But we have no leaders willing to fix this mess.
Impeachment at this point would be a relief ...
But then they would have to deal with the next-in-line.
I wonder if Noam would make a good president? She's like an angel!
Ron Paul was the best man, except too honest to be a president.
What cantalope truck did you fall off of?
If this is what Biden can accomplish in 7 months... imagine what he can do with 7 more years!!!
And if you can ignore the factors that cause these things, many of which were long before Biden was elected, then you can be a brainwashed right-wing blogger.
Oh, I have imagined, and it scares the hell out of me. Hopefully, he resigns and moves back to his basement...
Yes, and maybe we can that guy who tried to wipe his ass with the Constitution back in office. That will solve everything.
How about we elect a Republican president who doesn't set fire to everything and leave a huge mess for Democrats to clean up?
I think we saw Trump's job performance differently. I saw him as a problem solver. Yes, he was a disrupture, but I felt safe with him at the helm.
We followed his presidency differently, I looked just at outcomes, not what-ifs. I venture to say not many real new what Trump was accomplishing on a day-to-day basis. Are you aware Trump had a very good agreement with the Taliban on how we would pull out, and how we would remove any citizens we needed to from the country?
Biden did not keep to the agreement, and now we have a mess in Afghanistan. Trump was keeping to the agreement, as was the Taliban in most parts.
I get wiery of seeing such hate for a man that was trying to do a good job for all of us.
I know we disagree, that is your prerogative. But I feel very strongly about my opinion too. I have come to it with lots of research. . Let's just respect each other's right to their own opinion.
If he retires... then we have Harris... give it a couple months and she'll be declared mentally unfit... so then it becomes Pelosi running the show...
Well, I don't see any improvements if Biden resigns... maybe you see something I don't.
Well, you certainly laid out a very unpleasant picture. And I guess we have no real way out from this nightmare other than our vote in 2024... And that does not seem reassuring after witnessing the last election, and the current hopes of the Dems to legalize millions of illegal immigrants.
Now you are getting the picture.
Legalized or not, what difference does it make... everyone can vote either way, not that it matters, just slap together some Mail-In ballots and call them legit. No one has to provide proof of identity remember?
Basement of a nursing home, where he can tell endless nonsense fairtytales.
Presumably you understand supply and demand, but perhaps not.
I think the rot in Afghanistan started with Trump as president. He was a man who had no clear policy on any matter and saw everything as a business proposition. You don't need people like him and obviously, the man who has come in his place, Joe Biden is just not a capable man; he has limitations the least of which is a lack of horizon. He hasn't realized that the defeat and withdrawal from Afghanistan is the beginning of the end of the American hegemony. Forces are going to be unleashed that is going to be like the proverbial hydra. With America rocked by problems at home with the white population declining by the day, I don't have to be an astrologer to tell that the future is pretty bleak for the United States. The only way it could have been arrested was if the United States had stayed put in Afghanistan and fought and at the same time destroyed the sanctuaries of the Taliban in Pakistan.
Economics will be the biggest factor to our future.
What happens to any Well Off nation when their economy tanks?
What draconian methods does a government use to control the populace when the economy collapses?
America has had a booming economy for essentially the last 75 years.
We have not had to deal with a REAL Depression since before WWII.
But with an economic Super Power like China on the rise, and the draconian reactions to a virus crippling businesses and trade relations, and the world's nations working to free themselves from the Dollar (reserve currency) selling off their Bonds slowly but surely, I think any number of dire outcomes is possible in the not too distant future.
The war in Afghanistan is 20 years raging.IMO Trump saw no sense in it from early on in his administration. He was America's first to hell with any and all wars. America is rocked due to problems politicians are creating to keep their given party in power. One better hope the US does not go done, if it does so does the world economy. the fact is The United States is the world's single largest importer and exporter of goods and services.
It is clear half of the country has a more socialist agenda, which could bring the US down. But, in the end, one can hope the boat stays steady with those that have the ability to right it.
Ok, Emge, who would be your candidate as you neither like Trump or Biden?
We are bleeding ourselves dry in Afghanistan, whose idea is it that our military resources to pursue these kinds of conflicts are unlimited?
You consider the decline of the white population a problem?
When someone says the quiet part out loud....
It is just the elephant in the room that people would be more comfortable ignoring.
... how is the decline of the white population significant in the least?
who the Heck cares about that?
whites? where is your proof?
Why ask me KH, ask the right wingers on the forum? I take no issue with naturally occurring demographic changes.
The proof is in the continued, unrelenting effort of the GOP to make it harder for people of color who are citizens of the U.S. to vote.
Look at all the voter laws being passed. They're uniformly targeted at people of color and uniformly racist. They are based in the belief of white Republicans that black people are not capable of casting their votes appropriately or competently.
Maybe you are just trying to be irritating like a little buzzing gnat.
If that was your goal, you have succeeded. Congratulations!
Just for that you get this:
Look at the voter laws in Georgia, where many black people wait in line hours and hours to vote. The laws aren't targeted at the rural, white areas. They are specifically targeted at Atlanta and majority black districts where the conservative white folks don't believe the black folks are smart enough to count their votes correctly.
I hear you! And, all I can say is, "What are you doing about it?"
Truly, to the average Joe/Jill (!) of any skin hue, none of this makes any difference.
What matters is that we get along, can help one another and maintain good feelings of common courtesy and respect. After all, we are all of the same (human) race.
It was the BLM movement that wanted to spew hatred for the police
and in so doing brought about the black/white issue.
We had elected a black president for goodness sakes!
So, thanks for absolutely nothing, BLM et all!
"What matters is that we get along, can help one another and maintain good feelings of common courtesy and respect. After all, we are all of the same (human) race."
There is no reason why we cannot do as you suggest, it is just that in many areas of our coexistence we are not doing this as well and therein lies the rub. Attention has to be brought to continued failings that have not been addressed.
The Black and white issue has always been here as long as I have been here and beyond, it just takes differing forms and points of contention in each period. More cosmopolitanism and time may well have much of this finally pass. It may well be within my lifetime.
We were on the road. We have had a terrible terrible set back.
Were we? But we can get back on the road when "respect" once again become a mutual concept and "progress" is not only on the terms of the majority culture.
Could you elucidate on the majority culture?
Can you also tell us why you have a chip on your shoulder?
Majority culture is you, white folks, particularly right wing leaning ones.
I have to ask you about the burr in your saddle?
I educate you about a different perspective on things. How I see things is not directed to anyone personally, but reflect a profound distrust of Rightwingers their ideals, etc. You are just as adamant about your points of view, i.e. Communists, socialists and the love fest with Trump and all of that. So, I would say that I have a chip on my shoulder but a revelation to your group and their supporters.
The pen is mightier than the sword and is quite therapeutic.
Credence, don't you know that when a black person becomes educated and informed and is capable of outthinking a white person, they "have a chip on their shoulder" or just become annoying?
I am not irritated by truth. I could name many black persons who do not irritate me ... who speak the truth. Of course you know who they are. The right wing blacks. For instance, I will be voting for Larry Elder for CA Governor.
So, of course, it has to be inevitable that you are going to be irritated with me for not parroting the standard rightwing bromides. Your irritation is taken by you to mean that I have a "chip" on my shoulder?
You have a long list of grievances. You have held these grievances within your mind for a long time. Maybe this long held, long list of grievances makes you seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Maybe, you are entitled to feel as you do. It, (the compilation of issues,) is hard for whites to understand.
But here are some of them:
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/139 … k-on-lewis
Yes, I think that Trump sucks, but I am not alone in that observation.
I have grievances as you obviously do, what else have you got to make your point?
I certainly want to help you understand, if you permit me....
The last post of that thread says a lot, I would say.
No, not necessarily, what is your specific point you use as example?
Most gracious of you, Crank,
Perhaps deep, deep down that is why the Right is so offended having underestimated the resolve of blacks in urban areas to remove Trump. But rather than come to the most logical conclusion as to why, they would rather dabble in elaborate conspiracy theories, criminal accusations, or somehow we are all being spitefully used by the Democratic Party, none of which holds water even under the most cursory of analyses.
"Nice excuses but none make much sense in my view. " Take your FOX News/GOP blinders off, stop drinking the Kool-Aid and your view might improve. Every GOP president since Hoover has brought us a disaster and a Democrat president has had to clean up after them. Then republicans complain because the mess can't be cleaned up in 4 to 8 years.
The Great Depression
Pardons for Iran/Contra
End of a surplus, 9ll, Afghanistan & Iraq, Economic failure
Tax cuts for the rich, laughing stock of the world, Capitol riots
As expected, the Taliban approaches the Capitol but refuses to attack, instead sending negotiators in to work towards the transfer of power while Americans continue evacuation. Another non-issue that the right got their blood pressure up for.
I actually think this Trump policy is something Biden should have left in place. Glad the judiciary agreed...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-judg … 32849.html
The American people should be given a fair vote and a do-over of the election.
That's the only way to save this nation.
A FAIR-VOTE DO-OVER ! Its not too late to save the nation. But a do-over election would be the only way.
Would the founding fathers agree?
Ask the nation's constitutional lawyers.
https://testmaxprep.com/blog/bar-exam/c … gLxAvD_BwE
Fair-vote sounds like code for votes not cast by black people in cities.
No evidence whatsoever of voter fraud and yet they're still talking "fair vote".
Even Trump's lawyers can't provide evidence and that Mike the Pillow Guy, the ex-crack addict, promised huge revelations at his conference, had months to prepare, and then claimed he was hacked.
It really is just code for "white, rural votes".
The jurisdiction for voting is mandated by The Constitution of the U.S. to the states. It was stolen from the states by Federal mandates based on the Killer Microbe.
We need an election recall. That would be the revolution which the founding fathers would insist on.
And the next time it will be done according to the individual state's policies which have already been set up.
Black discrimination is a figment of someones imagination.
We as a nation, need to stop buying into this L I E !
"State authority to regulate the times, places, and manner of holding congressional elections has been described by the Court as embracing authority to provide a complete code for congressional elections; in short, to enact the numerous requirements as to procedure and safeguards which experience shows are necessary in order to enforce the fundamental rights involved. The Court has upheld a variety of state laws designed to ensure that elections—including federal elections – are fair and honest and orderly."
https://constitution.congress.gov/brows … 1_1_1_1_1/
HAH! The founding fathers probably would be organizing another revolution.
Yeah! I HAVE TO AGREE. The writing is on the wall and there is no way around the coming storm! Just the fisco of of afghanistan will drive us into another war, and soon! But no one is listening, so grab a hold of something and hold on!!!!!!
Agree --- I got my seatbelt ready the day Biden was elected. I just knew too much about Joe and his 50 years in Washington, and his propensity to showboat, and pretty much never make much sense at all... And he has the nuclear codes... SMH
The only people I have observed who were jumping with joy when Biden became president were the Afro- Americans, I wonder if anybody can tell me which Democratic president earlier including Roosevelt did anything for the blacks? Biden, of course, is not going to do anything except making statements here and there but his actions especially the chaotic retreat and killing of American soldiers in Kabul will hang on his head. He also failed on the border problem and people are walking in following the 'push and pull 'theory of migration but the result is America is going to become poorer and with a man like Biden at the head whose son has been taking the pecuniary benefit from China, the writing is on the wall. I wish there was a clause and the American people could straight away remove this man as president because another three years of him and America will be finished and then who is going to sing and dance?
Yep, I jumped for joy, anything to be rid of Trump, his ideas and policies.
Why should I be concerned about Democratic presidents' contribution to our cause and issues prior to 1932? What came after FDR is more pertinent.
Biden makes mistakes and admits them, Trump makes them an blames everyone else.
I will take my chances with Biden over any alternative my adversaries would offer.
The rest is just more right wing talking points of no consequence.
I have come to believe neither president has very little power in the big scheme of things. We might as well search out our common enemy. Bickering will lead us astray and divert our attention from reality.
What is that reality?
We don't know yet.
"I have come to believe neither president has very little power in the big scheme of things."
I really have no dispute with the substance of this comment...
I meant neither president has much power. Is that what you thought I meant?
Yes, there is substance to this.
Certainly we saw how constrained the Presidency was during Trump's Administration.
But we also see now where he was able to make substantive change despite overwhelming resistance and internal (DC insiders) sabotage.
Trump put in place a legitimate means to control the flow of illegal immigrants at the Southern Border.
Right after Biden took office, he ended the policy known as "remain in Mexico" that resulted in tens of thousands of non-Mexican migrants having to wait in Mexico. An agreement Trump hammered out with Mexico.
Knowing this was going on, the migrants stopped coming, once Biden was elected, his words of "No one would be deported who hasn't committed a felony" and "all immigrants would be welcome" messages he extolled during his campaign motivated millions to come.
We essentially have no enforcement authority at the border under Biden.
We see what halting Oil and Gas production efforts within America has done as well, outside of those jobs lost, it has increased our dependency on foreign oil and increased the prices of Oil and Gas.
These are examples of what a difference a President can make, even considering Trump had few allies and few means of getting things done.
The mess in Afghanistan cannot be put entirely at the door of Joe Biden. I think Donald Trump has a big hand in this because he really had no comprehension of world power being a businessman all his life. Despite all the reports he was the man who gave legitimacy to the Taliban, knowing fully well that they were hand in glove with Al-Qaeda. I blame him for his shaking the hands of the terrorists and giving legitimacy to a terrorist organization. It will take a long time for America to live down this shame. Joe Biden can be faulted for the fact that he overturned every policy of Trump from Iran to climate change, so why did he not overturn the Afghan policy.
I will further add that in case the USA had just maintained 3000 troops with requsite air power this rot would never have set in. After all the uSA is maintaining nearly 30,000 troops in Korea and a bigger number in Europe. It is difficult to comprehend US policy unless the American leadership had worked out a deal with terror. Like all deals if true, it will collapse in no time and Americans all over will be under threat. America's impotence was on display during the Iran hostage crisis ; so people who are thinking otherwise better re-think. Already there is thinking in Southeast Asia that America cannot be relied upon and the first casuality is QUAD where Japan and India hare having second thoughts.
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