Twitter documents show suppression of Hunter Biden laptop story
"Musk releases Twitter internal documents showing details of suppression of Hunter Biden laptop story
"Twitter owner Elon Musk on Friday began releasing a deluge of internal company documents showing what led the company to suppress posts sharing the Hunter Biden laptop story just weeks before the 2020 presidential election.
After teasing his followers with a promise to disclose “what really happened with the Hunter Biden story suppression,” Mr. Musk linked to a lengthy Twitter thread by independent journalist Matt Taibbi showing the behind-the-scenes deliberations.
It portrays company executives plotting their course in response to the New York Post story exposing the now widely authenticated laptop. The documents show Twitter executives often acted on requests from both political parties, but largely from Democrats.
“By 2020, requests from connected actors to delete tweets were routine,” Mr. Taibbi wrote. “One executive would write to another: ‘More to review from the Biden team.’ The reply would come back: ‘Handled.’”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … ents-deta/Mr. Musk tweeted Friday night, amid the Taibbi posts, that Twitter had acted "under orders from the government."
Mr. Taibbi said in his series of tweets that "there is no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story."
He also did not say that Democrats requested that Twitter suppress the Post story, and his account did not suggest that the US government had ever pressured Twitter to suppress the story.
Members of President Biden's campaign reported specific tweets to Twitter and requested they be blocked.
USA TODAY verified the contents of the reported tweets by the Biden campaign through open-access tools and found they were pornographic in nature or alluded to Hunter Biden's sexual activities.
Mr. Taibbi went on to write, "Requests from both Donald Trump's White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored." He does not provide examples of tweets the Trump team flagged to Twitter.
Notably, Taibbi's reporting does not show the Biden campaign flagging the 2020 New York Post report that first revealed the existence of Hunter Biden's laptop.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 826408002/Even democrats were upset by the behavior of Twitter in hiding the story about Hunter Biden.
From the link you provided.
"Caution is warranted': Twitter debated what to do about New York Post story
Twitter removed links to tweets linking to the story, marked them as "unsafe" and blocked the ability to send the story in direct messages. The Twitter team said the Hunter Biden laptop material fell under its "hacked materials policy."
But some at Twitter raised concerns. “I'm struggling to understand the policy basis for marking this as unsafe," Trenton Kennedy, a Twitter communications official wrote in an email. Kennedy advised that the company say it is "waiting to understand" whether the New York Post story is the result of hacked material.
"Can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?” Brandon Borrman, former vice president of global communications asked in an email. Jim Baker, deputy general counsel for Twitter, replied that "caution is warranted" because it is "reasonable to assume" that materials reported in the story were hacked.
A Democratic congressman, Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., whose district includes Silicon Valley, reached out to a top Twitter executive with concerns the decision to block the story violated "1st Amendment principles."Yes, I agree and can appreciate Mr Khanna:s concerns. I'm not sure the documents show what Mr. Musk thinks they show.
To me ,the emails show Twitter’s team struggling with how to explain their handling of the Post story that broke the news of Hunter’s leaked laptop files and whether they made the correct moderation decision in the first place. At the time, it was apparently not clear if the materials were genuine, and Twitter decided to ban links to or images of the Post’s story, citing its policy on the distribution of hacked materials.
The communications mostly show a team debating how to finalize and communicate a difficult moderation decision.
Mr. Musk claims this is proof of government meddling, but I don't see it?
The email appears to show the Biden campaign, which is not a government entity, flagging tweets to Twitter for “review” under their moderation policies before the election took place. Also Mr Taibbi says, “there’s no evidence — that I’ve seen — of any government involvement in the laptop story.”
I think these emails really highlight the increasingly tough situation social media is facing in terms of content moderation.
Platforms must moderate, but Mr.Musk is right that the public deserves more insight into what’s going on. The public and regulators should demand more transparency so that they know what content is actually on platforms, how platforms are moderating it, and whether they are actually upholding their publicly stated rules. Internet companies routinely say that they enforce their rules evenhandedly and not because of business or political incentives. But they should be forced to structure themselves in ways that reflect those commitments.
Platforms should be forced to disclose how outside parties, including fact-checkers, governments, and other platforms influence their content-moderation decisions, and submit to independent audits of their systems to make sure they are doing what they say.
I think that's the key takeaway here.Have you gone to the source on Twitter, and looked at the information from the Journalist? I think documents speak much louder than left-leaning internet outlets. Just better to read what was posted and come to a view with first-hand info.
Not even sure how this could be spun but I see it is being pinned... Look here, not their type of propaganda. Pretty difficult to watch.Ultimately, the First Amendment of the US Constitution limits the government, not private entities, from restricting free expression. This is why companies like Facebook and Twitter can moderate content and also why they can suspend whoever they like. The journalist information, in my opinion highlights the struggle humans have within social media organizations in moderating content. It showed the back and forth, the confusion and the differing opinions. In the end, these types of decisions will still have to be made and Twitter will have to lay out clear direction to its workers who have the task of deciding which commentary to moderate.
In a way, it appears that Mr musk is not fully understanding the First amendment.I have no problems deleting inappropriate information or personal insult. I was very much aware of what was being removed when the laptop story was taken down. The New York Posts' story was very well-sourced, and should not have been removed. The NYP broke a story using names and verified sources. It was removed. And I myself lost many tweets. I also was able to (before links were removed) the personal home porn movies Huter made, with his sister-in-law, and what appeared to be prostitutes.
I could directly see that these links had no relevance or importance to the breaking laptop story. His movies were his personal business. Although disgusting, not illegal. He posted them on an open porn site, where all could see, he was very sloppy in saving his porn.
I found many on Twitter did offer views, and I saw no reason to see so many removed. I looked at it at the time as a subversion of free speech. I myself stopped using Twitter until recently after Musk
purchased the site.
As you know you pointed out to me an inappropriate post. I reported it, it was removed within the hour. I have been visiting Twitter daily now, and find it a much better place to post. Yes, one will see posts that are inappropriate, but when reported they are removed. Truth Social has a good policy of keeping things appropriate. It's a nice place to chat. People are civil.
I think Musk fully understands the corruption that was going on with Twitter, and the DNC and Bidens campaign. It is very apparent that there was a form of collusion and obstruction going on between the above parties mentioned. He put out a statement today that he is putting together a better presentation of the information.
I found the best way to understand this report was to follow Matt Taibbi presentation. The media is twisting and turning in whatever direction they hope to take it.Just as a side note on posting Hunter porn stuff on twitter is one only has to be 13 to join. Do you think they consider that with any of the content they censor?
Twitter has always censored and still does remove porn. I have used the site from its very first day, and have returned in the past weeks, porn was and is still being removed. The Hunter Biden porn had no place on open social media chat sites. Yes, children could be exposed to many posts a parent would not approve of their child seeing on Twitter. It gets removed, but it's not always immediately.
I think out of all the social media sites Twitter was more apt to have crude, lewd posts as well as links to things you would not want to see a child exposed to. Not sure what Musk will allow. Thus far I have reported a few objectable lewd, posts and they were removed quickly.
I also frequent Facebook and Truth Social, I have not found problems with Porn or lewd language on those sites.
Hunters Lap top porn was up only for a brief time before Twitter removed the links and some reposted stuff. And Porn Hub also quickly removed Hunter's personal movies but left up porn he had saved that did not have him in. I would assume some out there have his personal porn, and it could resurface. I can say it was disgusting and disturbing.
The internet is no place for young children, and I would assume anyone at this point should know that. Kids need to be monitored when it comes to Social media, in my view.
That is a good point. From a free speech aspect alone I think the argument is not enough. I might be wrong but I do not think there is a law that would require them to allow free speech. It may be morally wrong but not legally wrong. If they are following the line that it had an effect on the election though it does violate US law.
This is all getting twisted --- The tweets that were being removed were pointed out by a political arm, the DNC, and the Biden campaign. They literally picked out tweets and asked them to be handled. The DNC or Biden's handlers are not employees of Twitter. This is a form of pure collusion to subvert and bury information during an election. Free speech is secondary. The individuals that tweeted were deleted due to a political party wish --- It would be the DNC as well as the Biden campaign that certainly and clearly deprived them of their free speech by judging a tweet, and asking it be taken down. It was not Twitter but the DNC and the Biden bunch that subverted free speech. Twitter complied and collated with a political party to bury a very important new release, and tweets that followed from users. The left can dance around all they pleased this, in my view was collusion, and yes many users lost their rights to free speech due to a corrupt political party.
And Twitter was an accomplice. It certainly would have been different if twitter acted under the guise of being a private business, alone just due to policy. That was not the case.
It sickens me to see anyone defend or for that matter ignore this kind of corruption. This bunch chose to bury a reputable outlet's new story before an election. The New York Post used clear sources in regard to that story and vetted it. In my view, we will see Congress accuse all involved of collusion to sway an election outcome by burying a new report that was vetted and has now been vetted by many far-left news outlets.
This slimy ploy was exactly what they accused Trump of doing in the 2016 election with Russia.The individuals at Twitter were simply human beings obviously mulling over the policy that was in place in terms of content moderation. It does not look like there is anything nefarious going on here whatsoever. Also again Mr Musk really doesn't understand the First amendment.
" The individuals at Twitter were simply human beings"
Wrong, the former individuals employees at Twitter are a POS.They were employees like employees at any other corporation working under the guidelines given to them please seek some anger management
You mean they 'are' POSs, right? It's improper writing to mix singular and plurals in the same reference. :-o
GA
I agree it is morally reprehensible behavior but was it did it violate the law? The new congress should look into that and if so they can prosecute. If not it is just another witch hunt like all of those against Trump.
Whether you think their decision was right or wrong, there was nothing illegal about it. These were company employees making decisions based on that company's established rules of moderation.
It also wasn't a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution.I think you are correct on the First amendment issue. I am not so sure about the legal issue as it depends on who is prosecuting. As we have seen so many times in the past, it is almost always possible to prosecute for something.
If the FBI was involved in the suppression, which may have been the case, I think it going to be even easier to show voter suppression. If it was just the DNC suppressing Twitter it would be a lot harder to prosecute.The left is spinning this into just what Faye is sharing. Trying to overshadow the vile ploy itself that involved private business, and a political party attempt to sway an election by suppressing pertinent information on a candidate. Information that was well vetted by a popular media outlet. This dirty ploy is just on the same line as what this vile bunch accused Trump of doing in 2016. Trying to sway an election with Russia's help on social media.
It sickens me to see this deterioration of American politics. The Democratic party is dangerous to this Nation in my view.
So, was it LEGAL? Who the hell cares, it was a filthy scam, a scandalous ploy. A ploy that showed a true lack of fairness, and morals. It showed a clear lack of conscience. And the media is making every attempt to lead their sheep down the -- well it was not illegal. Well in my view, it was immoral, deplorable, and actually a vile mined ploy.
So, hopefully, you will not be led into the --- well it was legal BS. Maybe consider just calling it as it was, a filthy Democratic scam.
( so pleased to see your post... I mean it would seem we have fence sitters, that won't even share basic thoughts on this issue. )
I note you don't mention that this was morally wrong, a true plot to keep pertinent information from voters. A ploy by a political party and a private business to subvert a well-vetted news outlets report. that offered information on a political candidate. This was censorship in its lowest form.
Whether anyone can be prosecuted is still unknown. But in my view, how some, like yourself, are willing to say, "there was nothing illegal about
it" --- tells me a lot. about your mindset.
You divert away from the moral implications, what is acceptable in regards to a political party while running a campaign. You skirt around the true issue that once again this deplorable political party has tried to pull off a despicable scam to sway an election, as they did with their Russiagate in 2016. I note you have shared nothing of what you think of what the DNC and Biden campaigns pulled off. Curious. Do you approve of these kinds of ploys?
And you frequently speak about the division in our society, wondering why the divide... Please consider my response to your own. I looked at the dirty deed, you appear to have looked to explain away the deed, excuse it, just saying, it was not against the law. Your own reaction to this issue should give you a notion of why America has a great divide.
Morals, values, and how a person feels about political corruption. It sickens me to see this deterioration of American politics. The Democratic party is dangerous to this Nation in my view.
So, was it LEGAL? Who the hell cares, it was a filthy scam, a scandalous ploy. A ploy that showed a true lack of fairness. It showed a clear lack of conscience. As do some feelings about this issue.Are we to regulate the morality of corporations?
Taibbi himself said in his series of tweets that "there is no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story."
I'm just looking at what was written. I don't need to see it slanted as any bias and I'm not looking to make it a Democrat or Republican issue.
There is no evidence whatsoever that anyone in the Biden campaign at the time asked for links to the story to be banned only that they requested pornographic content to be taken down. I don't see the evidence of a despicable scam? If I'm missing something here please send on some quotes from the emails.You defect once again... And not sure why you would bring that up --- Did the DNC and Biden Campaign mix up a bunch of their own regulations asking for a story about the Biden family to be buried, and tweets removed that were chatting about all around that vetted news report?
Read my comments here. I don't care about the LEGALITY! I care about the ploy. My God do you not see this campaign was a presidential campaign, to elect the top man in Government? So, how in the world can you bring up, a connection to the government? And as of yet, we know little about whether the FBI also suppressed information.
I will be honest, I have no respect for your opinion in regard to this issue. I made myself very clear in my last comment about what my feelings were in regard to this issue. In my view, this is all about morals, fair play, and good values. I see any American that excuses this kind of behavior, just due to it being legal, clearly lacks morals, values, and fair play.Legality aside I never see in any of these emails that the Biden campaign asked for anything more than the removal of pornographic images.
If you are an advocate for government based on morality I think you're going to have a lot of issues with Republicans wanting to abandon Ukraine.
I find it interesting that the journalist, Taibbi, also touched on other content moderation actions, writing that by 2020 it was "routine" for Twitter to receive requests to remove content from third-party actors.
"Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored," he said, adding that "celebrities and unknowns alike could be removed or reviewed at the behest of a political party."
Seems like a Twitter problem. But ultimately this journalist tapped by Mr Musk did not provide evidence the the Biden campaign "ordered" or coerced Twitter into removing content.
Neither legally nor morally does there seem to be any smoking gun to this reveal by Mr Musk.
But that's not what happened Faye.
Company employees of Twitter essentially became another arm {or tentacle} of the Democratic Party; when they were given marching orders and chose to carry them out!
I do believe that hiding this story from the voting public and successfully making those of us who attempted to share the story, the villains, along with the incompetency or outright cheating in several counties,affected the 2020 election results and We the People are currently paying the price for it.Am I missing direct quotes where the Biden campaign asked Twitter executives to suppress links to the Post story?
Review 'Hunter laptop'. 'Handled'. My take is this: quo bono? Twitter shouldn't be used to witch-hunt others.
Some don't see it that way. They dance around to explain away actual posts, and documents. IMO, we need to realize pretty much many Americans can be told pink is green, and they are open to buying it.
I am open to looking at what facts are being presented, and coming to a common-sense realization --- we have a Government that is hell-bent on the subversion of facts using social media, and what we call media.
I am sick of even dealing with anyone that can't see pink in pink. Can you even imagine if you put the name Trump in place of Biden? If Trump's children were skirting around lobbying laws? Because one fact is clear and proven --- Hunter Biden failed to register as a foreign agent during years of overseas business dealings. This is a crime, that would land others in prison.
I have followed every bit of information on Hunter Biden from the very beginning when the story was called "fake news' misinformation" by the 50 ass clowns that were former intelligent officials. All of l are sitting in slim with eggs on their faces.
Twitter should have never been involved with a national political party, the FBI, or Biden... PeriodYou've summed up everything in the lart paragraph...truth is told.
The more Twitter dumps that come out the more clearly it seems the NAZI Democrats will do anything to protect their cause.
Of everything that's come out so far in the Twitter dumps which bit of information specifically do you think is most damning? I mean actual piece of information not a newspapers spin on it.
I have learned over these past 10 years, Democrats will do anything to get and maintain power. From working to subvert the 2016 election with their Russia gate, to two crazy impeachments. To this recent scam to bury Hunter Biden's activities. They have found a nitch, the media, and social media to do their bidding. And it well seems they are making good headway with many Americans. Many can't even see the damage this bunch has done. It's like full-out brainwashing has occurred.
If the people defending the actions of the left aren't convinced of all you've spoken of by now Sharlee, they'll never be! I don't know if they'll come around, to the cause of we the people, and how every single action which the left has taken, hasn't hurt Trump, but rather this Nation and her people.
I will always be for the cause of we the people and as far as I am concerned, if you aren't with us in that cause, you are against us!I have come to the same sentiment. One of the reasons I have not broken any of the information dumps down here. I think it would, at this point be useless, and act to make me look unintelligent to have any forms of back or forths on the actual facts. Many do not recognize facts or questions beyond media spin. Yes, all the dishonesty and corrupt actions that have been levied on Trump have worked to hurt the fabric of our once much more sensible society.
I feel very gratified to say, I have not bought into the brainwashing that has afflicted so many. I too will continue to stand for we the people.
The information is damming, and each and every email can be traced right back to the sender. Technology is wonderful in that respect.
It's amazing how some can ignore this kind of corruption, and explain it all away. To quote Elon Musk
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The Twitter dump proves the Marxist Democrats are a pile of filth mixed with a hell of a lot of scum. The people who once ran twitter should be in prison along with many Marxist in the WH And most of the Marxist Democrats low lifes. Proof the MArxist democrats are destroying our Constitution. We need to fight back.
I agree, but I like the word slimy, it is why they are now all slipping around in their slim this morning. I guess they got in above their heads threatening Musk last week. They are always showing just how dumb they can be. Just like Biden's first day in office with his poison pen set the country on a downward spiral. This Crap is pure subversion of free speech. Sick POS.
Isn't 'keyword stuffing' 'not a thing' anymore?
GA ;-)If some keywords are good, sometimes, if someone is pissed more can be better.
No opinion on the subject, or just in "I like to critique comment mode?Oh -- sorry I took your "stuffing" as a term that is used as slang to stuff keywords into a paragraph. to promote traffic.
Thought you were addressing or critiquing the word Marxist.
I must apologize.You are too ready to apologize. "Marxist" was the word, but it wasn't the point.
GAThe Marxist Democrats are clearly the Enemy of the State and should be treated as such.
Lock'em upI have a very hard time with "guess what word games" It's Easier to say sorry or bless your heart.
Musk will pay a supreme price for his efforts to expose the "establishment" to show how corrupt and insidious our own government and its alphabet agencies are.
Don't forget, some 100 FBI Agents swore on a signed document that this was only Russian propaganda.
Its not a corrupt Democratic Party that Musk is exposing, it is a corrupt, callous, criminal cabal that controls our Government, the more threat you are to that "establishment" or "elite" control, the more you are going to be attacked by it.
Trump is one example. No one even questions anymore the "news" about him. Russian conspirator... CNN says so. Wants to do away with the Constitution... CNN says so. And then the politicians parrot this messaging and site the "news" as their source.
Musk is now another example. They will make up outrageous stories about him, about his companies, and never cease. It will be a continuous barrage of negative misinformation targeting all things Musk.
The difference between America and CCP China grow less and less each day. One day soon, you will not be able to tell the difference. Challange the ruling class, the government, in any significant way, and pay the price.
People should really open their eyes to how citizens are being treated by their government in China, in Canada, even in EU... there is a lot going on in many of the EU states that is nothing less than totalitarian overreach.
Its trending globally and today's current leadership in DC looks on enviously wanting to bring it here to Americans as well.Did part 2 of the "Twitter Files" drop yet?? Part one didn't seem to reveal much of anything other than confused employees
Your question prompted a look:
The Twitter Files II
I'm not vouching for it, I couldn't find any information on the source; The Free Press, (thefp.com)
GASo, the second dump like the first dump has been posted on Twitter and shows actual tweets... And if I understand your thought, you feel you are not sure of the information source. Which ultimately is Elon Musk, due to the fact he owns Twitter and would need to stand behind the documentation he is presenting from Twitter files. Unless one would think or believe he would stick his neck point to present lies.
He is out on a limb, and taking the chance he will be called by Congress to prove the legitimacy of what he is letting be presented on his site.
So, what we know about Musk is he is a very intelligent man, he has borrowed a cause. I feel he can verify any and all of this information, and will before congress.Let me get this straight. Congress should not have involved themselves in the railway issue (when they had an actual duty and ability by law) but you would like to see Congress involved in Twitter moderation policy? Are you calling for government regulation over social media?
Divert much? Stick to the subject. The railway strike has nothing to do with Hunter Biden's not regarding as a lobbyist. Or does it have to do with the current FBI, DOJ, Delaware, and Congressional investigations into Hunter Biden? My comment is clearly in regard to the "Twitter dumps" and the fact Muck owns Twitter, and will be responsible to stand behind these dumps that he is allowing on Twitter.
"but you would like to see Congress involved in Twitter moderation policy?" Another subject then is what is being discussed. Congress has the job of investigating possible crimes against our Government. Would you like to see them not investigate Hunter Biden, with all the information that has surfaced?
I so dislike the habit of switching up the subject mid-stream, IMO, due to being pretty much in a corner. Stick to the subject, what ya think about Hunter lobbying without being registered?
I would appreciate it if you pass my comment by when you have the urge to divert the subject.
The railway issues have Zero to do with the Twitter dumps, and Hunter Biden's BS.I'm just making an observation on the logic used changes from one situation to the other . I'm not diverting to the railway issue at all I'm just using it as an example of the logic.
The Hunter Biden investigation has been going on for years and so far hasn't turned anything up. Hopefully it will come to a conclusion soon.
In terms of twitter, I was under the impression you didn't appreciate government interference in business?
Government investigating the decisions of a social media company?
But also where is the crime that you speak of?Yes, I am very accustomed to those that make observations, and comparisons.
Your analogy was nonsensical in my view. Bide did not break any laws Budding in on a union negotiation.
Again we are not only conversing about Hunter Biden's many investigations. In this thread, we are discussing the information that Musk dumped on Twitter. Information that now leads to information being taken off a social media site due to being requested to do, by camping and the DNC, as well as "POSSIBLE " involvement of the FBI.
These tweets are damming, and the persons involved need to be questioned about their intent, and who told who to remove the user's tweets. You can say it was a private's businesses right to remove whatever they pleased. This private business colluded to pick and chose information, and block many users when they even tried to talk about the subject. They colluded with the Democrats to remove anything that put Biden in a derogatory light.
It's clear from your previous post you feel very differently about this issue than I do.
I don't appreciate Government or Government officials interfering in a private business to smash someone's free speech, and delete very important information on a presidential candidate's family.
how in the hell can you condone what the DNC, and Bidens campaign did with Twitter?This private business colluded to pick and chose information, and block many users when they even tried to talk about the subject
Isn't that their prerogative though? To set/follow rules of content moderation for their company? They can censor anyone as they see fit. There seems to be an insinuation from the right that there was this big coordinated censorship operation but all these emails seem to show are bewildered employees arguing about the company's content moderation policy. I don't see the collusion.
I keep going back to what the first journalist reported, "there’s no evidence—that I've seen—of any government involvement in the laptop story,”
Matt Taibbi, showed the company independently decided to limit the spread of the article, without Democratic politicians, the Biden campaign or FBI exerting control over the social media network. In fact, the only input from a sitting politician that Taibbi noted was Rep. Ro Khanna (D), who told Twitter executives they should distribute the story.
I'll admit I haven't gone through part two but is there anything that provides a direct link between Twitter and a government entity?"Isn't that their prerogative though? To set/follow rules of content moderation for their company?"
You are dancing around the subject. They clearly were removing information that a National political party was asking them to remove, as well as the Biden campaign.
They caned the Post story as misinformation. And removed anything to do with Hunter's laptop.
It is clear that you feel this is not a problem,. Why continue to discuss the subject with me. We don't agree in any respect about what Twitter did with the Democrats.
Why bother going through the second dumb, or the next, or the next.? It's obvious you feel this is all A ok...
I am not commenting on the second dump here. I won't waste my time.I am completely missing the part where the Biden campaign (which is actually not considered a government entity) or any actual entity of government forced Twitter to remove information. Is there such documentation? I'm perfectly willing to accept the facts of the situation.
Twitter burying the laptop story or any story for that matter is completely within their right to do.
Private individuals can censor you, but government actors cannot generally censor you based on your viewpoint. I haven't seen anything that makes it clear a government entity coerced Twitter.
Of course I'll go through the part two, why wouldn't I? I'm looking for the facts I'm not looking to just believe whatever I want to believe or what a party tells me I should fall behind.
My caution about the source is simply that I don't know anything about the provenance of what was released. I don't know about the first batch either but the change of release sources raises questions. Why? We know, (apparently), that Musk authorized the releases, but who did the actual releasing?', What was actually released, a trove that the 'releasers' sculpted into the released "files" or were the released files the totality?
It was just a caution, not a warning or negative inference.
GAthe place of origin or earliest known history of these tweets would be the day the user used their given free speech to comment, the history then moves to someone finding them unsuitable, and flagging them or removing them, and in some incidents banning the user that posted the tweet.
I can tell you some of the information and links taken down were of a very obscene nature (Hunter's personal home movies). This in my view was appropriate for children as young as 13 to use Twitter. It was in the aftermath that the Post story and the many leaked laptop information where it does appear anything about Hunter Biden was quickly removed.
I had several tweets removed, and I was careful not to say what I was sharing was proven facts, but media reports.
I would hope that Musk gets to the true provenance of who did what, and why. In my view, the buck at this point stops with Elon Musk. We can believe what we see unless we see anyone step up and call the dumped info false. I am not talking about the liberal news media dance they do around anything they don't want to be true or facts.
You know like Biden telling the public "the border is closed.
I would think Musk will release any and all information that he feels is important for Americans to see. Will he build a perfect provenance, from inception to what we are seeing? I don't feel he is the kind of person to back off when he feels he has something to prove.
I see your point, I think it goes along with what the left media is sharing. I mean that three-shell game can be brutal. Nothing here ...My reference to "provenance" was relative to the origins of the compilation of the files released, not the tweets themselves.
It seems likely the origin was a simple data dump to be examined for release. Who examined them first, a Twitter vetting team or a reporting source?
I would guess a Twitter team vetted the data first to ensure the correctness of the data dump, and surely for legalities relative to releasing them. I wouldn't see that as a bad thing. So what did the reporting sources get, that same data dump, a la WikiLeaks, or a pre-compiled data-block?
*shrug, I'm not picking on the files or sources. It's just an explanation of the 'caution' thing.
GAGot it. Thank you for clarifying your thoughts. I guess this all gets to me. I was able to see much of what Twitter was deleting when the turmoil started in Oct 2020. And I witnessed innocent tweets, back, and forths that were innocuous being removed. I choose to leave Twitter after having several tweets removed. It was obvious to me at that time, a "Big Brother" had emerged on Twitter.
"*shrug, I'm not picking on the files or sources. It's just an explanation of the 'caution' thing."
Is it not becoming obviously clear that many Americans share your sentiment? But is that wise? Could that be ultimately what the media seeks to accomplish with this Twitter dump issue? Look here, you will be better off, not looking there?
Is Washington, and the media not working to promote this type of mindset? I see this as a problem, I don't feel it wise to explain it all away, and ignore the in on's face facts. The logic for ignoring all this has become poor, I mean this problem with Twitter should be very clear, yet many are looking to dismiss it, and tuck it away.
I won't go as far as to discuss the individual items that have been dumped. I mean it seems the articles that are being dumped speak loudly about what was going on.
We can see who shot off requests to Twitter staff, and who fulfilled the requests.
Lots of media fluff is being dumbed to cover up the actual facts. However, technology in this case provides us with who did what. We know factually who did what, we have who sent the emails, and who fulfilled the requests sent to them. Do we not?
So, the "caution thing", do clear facts play a part at all?I simply scanned the 'files' to form an opinion. When a "fact" gets my attention I will look deeper. As it stands now, with Twitter Files I & II, I read the situation similarly to FayettevilleFaye.
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Perfect! This week will be very interesting. Makes one wonder why dumb and dumber would mess with highly intelligent... DNC/Biden/ Elon Musk...
So pleased to see this outed, can't imagine what more we will see in the weeks to come.I'm still really struggling to see what was exposed here? The fact that Twitter employees disagreed, debated and struggled to interpret their corporate moderation regulations? That's all I see here. Please provide the quotes, from the actual emails that point to something nefarious.
I'm a little disappointed with games on curated transparency and access journalism.
This is Elon Musk access journalism. Filtered through messenger of his choice.It may be me, but I think a sitting president and his son getting money directly from the Chinese Communist government is a big deal. It does beg the question of how much influence the Chinese Communist government may currently have over the sitting president. Now, the reason for the efforts to suppress such a story does, in my mind, does make it a really big deal.
I have to see some concrete proof of this though and the connection made between Father and son. Elon Musk and Twitter's employees are not a court of law. I want to see more than that.
"I want to see more than that."
Then you need to put in the effort to do the research on it. If you say you can't find anything on it, you are making a choice not to find it. Thousands of article have been done on this.Well I think those are articles and they don't really constitute as proof of anything. I know we have an investigation that's been going on for years into Hunter Biden that is headed by a Trump appointee and so far it hasn't produced anything. I'm looking for proof through appropriate channels not the New York Post
"those are articles and they don't really constitute as proof of anything"
I find your response stunning. You intentionally refuse to discover the facts of the case. Thousands of articles from domestic as well as foreign media are to be ignored. Amazing.
Interesting how people will dismiss the Hunter Biden story, yet believed the Russian Collusion story, which was completely debunked on many levels and many sources including a Congressional investigation.
I'm sure we would all support a Congressional investigation into the Hunter Biden laptop emails.Well like I said he's already being investigated by a Trump appointee and I will wait to see what that individual comes up with. Investigative journalists from various newspapers can be very compelling and others not so much but in the end no one will be tried or held accountable by the New York times or the New York Post. It has to be done through the correct channels so let's see it.
Marxist democrats could have a 1000 lbs of proof sitting on their faces and they would still say; Show me some proof.
Yes, everyone should be tried and have their day in the court of Twitter.
Funny you should mention that because the court of Twitter seemed to work fine for the Marxist democrats before Elon bought it.
Wondering if you're this bitter and angry in real life?
All under one roof, if interested in how our free speech was threatened read this article... Otherwise, ignore it, and put yourself in the hands of a political party that is working hard to control your every thought, and rip apart our Constitution. Maybe time to wake the hell up!
Elon Musk reveals what led to Twitter suppressing Hunter Biden story in 2020
Musk released the revelations about Hunter Biden's laptop on Twitter through Substack journalist Matt Taibbi
https://www.foxnews.com/media/elon-musk … story-2020
What a nauseating godawful bunch.Sharlee01, you just nailed it. So here is my big question. With our Constitution at great risk why hasn't our military done anything to protect and defend our Constitution from the Democrats who are trying to destroy it? The only thing that would seem to explain it is the leadership in our military has taken a side.
Good question, more like I want to see if Congress will do its job protecting our basic Constitutional rights. But, I don't think congress is part of the "new world order that Biden has spoken of.
We get what we will put up with. And the ugly fact is we have many Americans that could care very little about preserving the Constitution. In fact, many never heard of it. Then you have "fence sitters" that can't gather the stones to open their mouths.
Yeah, we are lucky to have a South African man turned US citizen willing to step u[p and say --- "The buck stops when you threaten me"... Not many around like Elon Musk. Just gotta love Elon.The Congress is control by Marxist democrats over the past two years. They and biden are a direct threat to our Constitution. I hate their guts
Well, I must give it to you... You do not hold back... Love it.
Just on Twitter -- Musk is promising to release of more Hunter Biden today and indicates it's far worse than what he put out yesterday. Looks like he is slowly turning the screws. Can't imagine what is coming, and how the DNC and White House can or even if they will respond.
This is a mess, and we the people are owed a statement from Congress. This is impeachable information.
This is a scandal that can not be ignored.That's the problem with the Low life marxist democrats, they will ignore it. They believe the ends justifies the means. They think of us as Nazi,so anything goes. Marxist democrats lie through their teeth, stealing elections at any level. Accues with out proof. Turn a blind eye at their corruption. And the list goes on and on.
You can count on the fact that the fithly low life marxist democrats will do nothing to clean up their own garbage.
Like I have said about Democrats many times over; "Democrats are just like maggots.......both thrive in waste."
So yes, I do hate their fithly guts
Damn dude, have you ever thought about switching to decaf?
LOL, FFC I wish that switching to decaf could/would fix all that ails us!
We have strayed (no pun intended Fat FreddysCat) so far, so fast and I get the anger, the passion, and the frustration experienced by so many.
Personally, I'm more interested in who decided to suppress stories about the virus, and alternate treatments. If the WH had a backchannel, then certainly other world leaders did too, including the EU. Notice how many of the leaders of the EU have been leaning on Musk to make sure he follows their "rules" - even sending Macron the pansy to discuss it in person. You can bet the skeletons are endless in that closest
I think when the FBI is involved in manipulation presidential elections, we have a very serious problem in our country.
"FBI warned Twitter during ‘weekly’ meetings of Hunter Biden ‘hack-and-leak operation’ before censoring The Post
The FBI warned Twitter during “weekly” meetings before the 2020 election to expect “hack-and-leak operations’’ by “state actors” involving Hunter Biden, and “likely” in October, according to a sworn declaration by Twitter’s former head of site integrity, Yoel Roth.
The warnings were so specific that Twitter immediately censored The Post’s scoop about Hunter Biden’s laptop on Oct. 14, 2020, citing its “hacked materials” policy, a move described on Saturday as “election interference” by Twitter’s new owner, Elon Musk.
The extraordinary revelation for the first time lays bare how the FBI was involved in pre-bunking the story of the laptop, which had been in the bureau’s possession for almost a year.
“I was told in these meetings that the intelligence community expected that individuals associated with political campaigns would be subject to hacking attacks and that material obtained through those hacking attacks would likely be disseminated over social media platforms, including Twitter,” said Roth in a Dec. 21, 2020, declaration to the Federal Election Commission.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/04/fbi-warne … -the-post/But the FEC said that Twitter “credibly explained” that stopping the spread of the article, which was based on an email retrieved from the hard drive of a laptop that was said to belong to Hunter Biden, was a commercial decision in line with existing policies that pertain to hacked materials.
But are you saying that the FBI shouldn't share intelligence information with corporations such as Twitter or Facebook that impact those platforms in terms of hacks and interference from bad actors? I don't see why they would be expected to withhold such information?
Perhaps the New York Times will get around to it, eventually.
Waiting on the results of the investigation by U.S. Attorney David Weiss. Really wondering what this guy is doing after so many years
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