Jan 6th Tape Brian Sicknick Was The Root Of A Big Lie.
It shows Sicknick walking through the building “after he was supposedly murdered by the mob outside.” Yet the Jan 6th committee did not reveal this fact or show this video. Time to ask why.
Tucker Carlson releases exclusive Jan. 6 footage, says politicians, media lied about Sicknick --- 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' was the first to look at over 40,000 hours of surveillance footage from the Capitol Building on Jan 6
Tucker Carlson released never-before-seen footage from the Jan. 6, 2021 riots at Capitol Hill that appear to dispel several narratives pushed by the Democrat-controlled House Select Committee and the legacy media.
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy granted "Tucker Carlson Tonight" an exclusive first look to over 40,000 hours of security camera footage from the Capitol Building that were hidden from the public for over two years. On Monday, Carlson offered the first glimpses of footage involving key figures from that day.
Carlson concluded the footage proves that lawmakers and the media were "lying" about the events that took place on Jan. 6.
However, the one person who became a household name was Officer Brian Sicknick, whom the media alleged was "attacked" by the mob and once falsely claimed was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.
Sicknick was seen walking normally while guiding Trump supporters out of the building as he wore a helmet, which appears to contradict the media narrative that he died of a head injury.
"This tape overturns the single most powerful and politically useful lie that Democrats told us about January 6th," Carlson told viewers.
As Carlson noted, the footage of Sicknick had an electronic bookmark in the Capitol archives, alleging the Jan. 6 House Select Committee had reviewed it and chose not to include it in its widely publicized hearings
and the final report. "They lied about the police officer they claimed to revere," Carlson said. "If they were willing to do that, then their dishonesty knew no limits."
This clip is well worth watching, Tucker presented the lies that have been perpetrated and outed just a few of the perpetrators.
So maybe look at the footage that clearly depicts what happened on Jan 6th, and the many lies that were spun to create a hate-filled narrative.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-ca … non-shaman
The video Fox aired on Tucker clearly shows factually that Officer Sicknick continued to patrol the Capitol long after the Majority of protesters were leaving the Capitol. The lie the media spread is alive and well.
FACT --- Medical Examiner Finds USCP Officer Brian Sicknick Died of NATURAL Causes
https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press … ral-causes
One person died due to Jan 6th protest on the Capitol... One protester lost her life. Her name was Ashli Babbitt. She was shot unarmed climbing through a window.
I am so pleased these tapes have now been released. Truth matters.
Look here not there... This video stands for truth. The media and many in Wahington, as well as many citizens, have spread lies about this man's death over, and over.
I for one am sick of hearing the particular lie, that officers were killed at the Jan 6th protest.
Any thoughts?
Question --- Do you feel many are just more comfortable with believing the propaganda in regard to officer Sicknick's death.?
Or Simply, can some just not digest the truth anymore?Truth for Tucker Carlson, you have to be kidding?
So everybody lies, yet Tucker Carlson tells the truth? Right....
Unless you want to argue over encyclopedic information this is the only "truth" I recognize
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January … tol_attackYes, but i will need the data corroborated by more than a representative of Fox News.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sen … ts-bullsh/
This came from the National Review, a journalistic source known for its general conservatism. So, my opinion on the Fox video is mixed at best.April 19, 2021, Press Release
A fact - The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes.
From your article --- a view
"Brian Sicknick, who died the day after the attack. Carlson argued in his Monday night segment that video footage of Sicknick walking around the Capitol after clashing outside with rioters proved that he didn’t die as a result of those clashes.
“Finally, the most disturbing accusation from last night was that our late friend and colleague Brian Sicknick’s death had nothing to do with his heroic actions on January 6,” wrote Manger. “The Department maintains, as anyone with common sense would, that had Officer Sicknick not fought valiantly for hours on the day he was violently assaulted, Officer Sicknick would not have died the next day.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi … t-n1264562Yep, the medical examiner made a determination long ago.....
While there is a case to be made that Sicknick's death was not the result of blunt force trauma, I have to question the death of a man through "natural causes", a series of strokes within 24 hours of the clashes. Is that a mere coincidence? He could have well died as a result of those clashes, just not instantly.
The fact was that 140 officers were assaulted that day, a bit more than a boisterous few representing the 2,000 people mob gathering together for a tour, as Carlson seems to imply.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu … story.htmlIt is true the officers were assaulted, and did substrain various injuries. However, my point none died, as many in the media and American citizens have claimed. I am setting the record straight. Propaganda is never something we should not recognize and realize how dangerous it can be.
Wikipropaganda... hey, I wouldn't argue with anything from that site because it's an absurd source to use, for any debate.
Keep defending the MSM and government cronies who enrich themselves at our expense, while they pander to your beliefs and give you villains to despise.Yes, because he uses his platform to say the unpopular thing.
Because so many want him shut down and shut up.
Question what he says... consider it a biased source.
Those are the only types of sources you will get from any MSM source in America today. Slanted to one side or the other. Finding truth takes work.https://www.britannica.com/event/Januar … tol-attack
So, I am in a bit of a quandary here, Ken. Do I believe venerable reference sources like the Encyclopedia Britannica or do I believe you and Tucker Carlson?
Do you consider this reference source as mere propaganda? Their article about January 6th uprising is not flattering for Tucker Carlson explanations, nor your support of same. Tucker Carlson being the consummate liar that he is.
What makes me believe you have found the truth? Is unpopularity supposed to be an indicator of truth?
Really there isn't much of a challenge as to which course to take....Is the video footage he is showing a lie?
Was what had been reported about that individual on the footage a lie?
Very simple, you want to disregard the message because of the messenger who brings it.
The issue isn't Tucker, its what is seen on the tapes.
The video is a better source, and the medical examiner is a better source. The Democrats and the left media perpetuated a lie. And test most retracted that lie in the weeds, hidden well out of public sight to keep the lie alive and well.
This kind of lying is done was to stir more hate and more division... Why are you not seeing this?
The video clearly shows the officer at the end of the day doing his job, he died of natural causes, and the Democrats and the sick media used his death to stir hate.
"Truth matters." Yes, it does. You won't find it using FOX as a source. I think the news this week reveals that.
You are consumed by how many or if any died on Jan. 6? Are you not concerned that Jan. 6 happened at all?I have many concerns in regard to what occurred on Jan 6th. I find pointing out this truth important. I used Fox in this case due to all the footage from the Jan 6th protest was given to him to view. I think e presented a very precise report on the untruths that have circulated in regard to officer Sicknick. The footage is revealing. Hopefully, you watched it before commenting.
I simply pointed out an issue that has been misrepresented by the media, and many citizens, Ofgicer Sicknicks dealt with,
and the coroner's report.
It is clear some can't even address the subject, the media lied, and many, actually right here spread that lie.
I am not interested in your view of me, you are but a stranger. I think it odd for anyone to even think it appropriate to take the liberty to assume knowledge of another's mindset on a chat.
They didn't have to die to be severely injured.
Caroline Edwards is a Private First Class Officer with the U.S. Capitol Police. Her law enforcement career started in 2017 and she has served for six years on the Department’s First Responders Unit. On Jan. 6, 2021, Officer Edwards was the first police officer injured by the rioters while stationed on the West Front of the Capitol. She was knocked unconscious and suffered a traumatic brain injury. On June 9, 2022, Officer Edwards testified to the January 6th House Select Committee. She graduated from the University of Georgia, Grady College of Journalism with a degree in public relations.
She will honored at the annual Grady Salutes: Celebrating Achievement, Leadership and Commitment on Friday, April 28.Kathleen,
Your sentiments are clearly a valid part of what happened that day. The conversation about "people being killed" is what precipitated the conversation between Lora and me.
I can completely agree with your comment.
I just correct her thought of "people being killed, in a literal sense.
I think that kind of rumor is harmful. You shared a very true valid statement. This is a statement I can agree with, due to it being true, and can be proven by many resources. Hopefully, you see my point.
Sherlee01, based on the evidence of Tucker Carlson review as reported by. Joseph A. Wulfsohn, and if that's the truth without any prejudice, these Democrates that master-mind the crime, are addict liars and criminals. It's a shame that their doctored lies has caused suffering and misguide the innocent. Their leader back then Nancy Pelosi, must be prosecute because she must be in the know. Critically, it's odd that the Dems have fallen into such an infamous state. While they and they (mislead fellows) were always pointing accursing finger at Trump, they fail to come with clean hands. Game up. Let them publicly apology to Trump and the nation.
Did Tucker also show the tape of Sicknick being sprayed outside with bear spray? As the incidents of using bear sprays on humans is not as prevalent, the effects have not been studied very well at all. And while the M.E. concluded 'natural causes,' there are clear cases of the symptoms of being exposed to bear spray causing issues across multiple areas of the body.
And as was noted in the original post, Sicknick did not get immediate medical attention due to the continued illegal presence of the crowd.
https://www.nationalparksbackpacker.com … on-humans/
And sorry to the original poster, but the Big Lie is still the Big Lie - there was no election fraud capable of changing the outcome and none of those people should have even been in DC on January 6. They were brought there by a lie and incited to attack their own Capitol. Trump had a plan to send his crowd to the Capitol and DID NOT INFORM Capitol Police, even after he knew many were armed. Those two actions clearly endangered the police force and is part of the reasoning why the judiciary is allowing civil suits to proceed against Trump.
That the OP wants to change the Big Lie to mean the stress of the attack on Sicknick, or the presence of dangerous chemicals during the attack, did not contribute to his death is something I find to be pretty disgusting.No Tucker showed him well after he was supported to have been stricken down --- calm and doing his job. I will go with the coroner's report.
Armed? Only one used a gun on the day, the officer that killed unarmed Ms. veteran Ashli Babbitt.
The original poster (Me) spoke of a precise issue, not the "big lie". Hopefully, others will respect my thread, and make an attempt not to divert to Trump.
The op was posted to correct a very well-spread lie, and hopefully, this subject can be addressed and discussed without changing the subject. I mean is this not how a thread goes off the rails... Someone can't really stay on the subject because they would rather dwell on anything Trump.
When the title of a thread uses the term Big Lie to mean something other than Trump's false election claims, it automatically leads to that comparison. That Sicknick continued to do his job after he was attacked should lead to praise for the man, not to excuse to possible stresses that likely lead to his death later that evening.
Most medical professionals would likely agree that extreme stress as well as toxins that lead to inflammation increase the likelihood of a stroke. Just because Sicknick continued to be a patriot and protect the Capitol that day does not diminish the contributory factors he was exposed to on that day.
And when your thread discusses the events of January 6, an event that was organized by Trump, and then a discussion of the people that died based of the lies that created that event, he is more than fair game. If someone doesn't want to discuss Trumpian events, they shouldn't start threads about the domestic terror attack he organized and incited.I used the words big lie feeling the officer's death corresponded to just one of the issues that the media has spread about the Jan 6th protest, to create the big lie.
Hey, all are welcome to post whatever they please. I don't intend to enter into spin about Jan 6th.
"and then a discussion of the people that died based on the lies that created that event"
Factually one person died at the protest. Singular not plural.Yeah, where would the media get such an opinion? Oh, yeah, from the actual police department:
On Jan. 7, Capitol Police had issued a news release stating Sicknick "was injured while physically engaging with protesters, and passed away at 9:30 p.m. the following day "due to injuries sustained while on-duty."
And factually, no, one person did not die at the 'protest.' There were multiple deaths that day. Not to mention the three police that died within a week of the insurrection.
And as Cred noted and I have mentioned, it's more than coincidental that Sicknick is alive one day and due to a high-stress attack and being sprayed with chemicals that cause inflammation, dead the next.
As you quoted, even some of the Capitol Police seemed to agree with that stance: “Finally, the most disturbing accusation from last night was that our late friend and colleague Brian Sicknick’s death had nothing to do with his heroic actions on January 6,” wrote Manger. “The Department maintains, as anyone with common sense would, that had Officer Sicknick not fought valiantly for hours on the day he was violently assaulted, Officer Sicknick would not have died the next day.”"Sicknick was among five people who died after the riot. Two men have been charged with assaulting Sicknick in the melee.
Investigators initially believed he was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, based on statements collected early in the investigation, according to two people familiar with the case. And they later thought perhaps Sicknick may have ingested a chemical substance — possibly bear spray — that may have contributed to his death.
But the determination of a natural cause of death means the medical examiner found that a medical condition alone caused his death — it was not brought on by an injury. The determination is likely to significantly inhibit the ability of federal prosecutors to bring homicide charges in connection with Sicknick's death."
"When the New York Times updated their story that originally reported Sicknick was hit with a fire extinguisher, it resulted in a round of stories about the update, primarily in right-leaning outlets. "New York Times quietly updates story that spread now-debunked claim about police officer Brian Sicknick's death," a headline on the Blaze website reported."
"And factually, no, one person did not die at the 'protest.' There were multiple deaths that day."
NO there were not. You will need to add a source to prove such a statement.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian … inguisher/Yeah, I read that Snopes article earlier in the day as well. And the Times held itself accountable for the incorrect reporting about the fire extinguisher attack being on Sicknick. Although the video I just posted has that attack in it.
And as for a source for the three other deaths that day, it's fairly common knowledge. Just search how many people died at the Capitol on January 6. Not sure why it would be so hard to discover that information. Even the Wiki page has it. Their names were Boyland, Greeson and Philips.
But going back to my earlier post, how many of you on the right accept that Fox News blatantly lied to you about election fraud in 2020? Lied to you, by their own admission, for profit. And if you can accept that simple fact and the motivation for it, why would you trust their version about the events that happened on January 6?The video, and a bit of research on Sicknick's cause of death. The facts are there if one looks for them.
In regard to Fox, I am not a fan of cable news. I do follow cable news reports, and try to find the truth in a given report.Look, I agree that the initial reporting about the use of the fire extinguisher on Sicknick was incorrect. There is clear video on the use of a fire extinguisher on another police officer, so not sure what the point of the video was. Was it to try and make the case that January 6 did not contribute to Sicknick's death? The opinion of the medical examiner was of natural causes, but as we can all note from the original post in this thread, the part where he also noted that the events surrounding January 6 were a contributory factor were omitted. (a general trend often seen in these forums to exclude the damning parts to try and make a case)
So just not sure what the Carlson video post really reveals. That some reporting, that was already corrected, was initially wrong. It does not absolve the Trump supporters from attacking Sicknick or from attacking a different police officer with the fire extinguisher. Not sure what the gotcha moment is supposed to be from this. That early reports were wrong about which police officer got bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher?
Is that really such a big deal in the larger scheme of things?
Nor does it wipe out the many convictions of those who attacked police or have been convicted of seditious conspiracy which cemented the proof that the event was an actual insurrection - even if close to half of the conservatives on this site still deny the word fits for what happened on that day. Even your media sources seem to have downplayed how many people actually died on that day as it's news to you that there were three others you were not aware of.
And yet in this thread, you've posted something from a source that has admittedly lied to you pertaining to the events surrounding January 6, namely the amount of voter fraud that existed in the 2020 election. How on Earth do you find that to be a valid source of legitimate information, especially when it comes one week after damning testimony that proves that he lies to you, his viewer, for profit?
In summary:
Tucker: 'I lie to my viewers for profit.'
Viewers: 'I trust Tucker.'
The rest of the world: Scratches heads.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPQuJrLTB-M
This was the only video I could find where a man tossed a fire extinguisher into the crowd, and it did hit an officer in the back of his helmet. I could find no one being physically beaten (as the media presented) in the head with a fire extinguisher.
In my view, the media as well as Washington Democrats set out to make the protest look much worse than it actually was. We had thousands of people outside the Capitol. It is remarkable that the protest did not become very violent and caused true destruction of the building, and that more people were not seriously hurt.
It is clear many Americans are very displeased with our Government and were willing to go to the Capitol and be heard in numbers.Shar,
Two things that I find most shocking about the newly released January 6 footage.
1. The guy with the horned hat called the "Qanon Shaman" was the inspiration for the events. The January 6 committee made him out to be an insane rioter. The additional video shows how the capital police escorted him around the capitol building. They even opened doors for him. When video shows he said a prayer for the capital police in the Senate chambers. How he was portrayed by the January 6 committee was an obvious blatant lie. They knew, they had the footage, they chose to hide it from the public. He was sentenced to four years in jail. There are states where a person convicted of rape does less time in jail.
2. It's obvious Brian Sicknick did not die of any injuries experienced during the incident at the capital. Video clearly shows he was doing fine after he allegedly died from capital protesters. His official cause of death is listed as "natural causes." Again, this was another HUGE lie. The newly released video proves it.
It also proves other things such as the provocateur Ray Epps lied to the January 6th committee.
It proves many of the things the January 6 committee tried to say as true but were blatant lies. I knew the committee were nothing but a bunch of political hacks with an agenda, but this newly released video proves it.Yeah Mike but stress was created! There could have been a fire extinguisher thrown, that may have hit someone.....
The haters will keep hating, they'll see the innocent as guilty by association...with Trump!
This has been allowed to fester for so long, the images intentionally shown over and over, as if we were all participants in some hypnosis study or brainwashing clinic!
Not one of us, who have been speaking out against this unfair portrayal of that day have ever once said, that all were innocent. There were some taking things too far. But for, Chansley, for example, to intentionally be made into the devilish cult leader of some armed insurrection, needs to be re-investigated.... OR, truly investigated for the first time!
This man, among many others... deserve to have their stories heard.Tucker Carlson hates Trump
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … &ei=85
Rupert Murdoch the owner of Fox New thinks Trump had gone mad.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … i=BB141NW3Wrong Mike, I was addressing READMIKENOW.
I have nothing to say to you.I find it really typical that left media is burying the Sicknick report along with a clear video, to say once again --- Hey look here at Murdoch not there at a big old lie we perpetrated... A lie that many will chew on for a very long time. I meant was a real taste one for the Jan 6th committee to push was it not? And they had the truth all along.
The deflecting is getting very crazy here... I mean hit left-leaning folks with a slam dunk lie --- it's not pretty.I'm sorry, I thought this was about Tucker Carlson receiving the 14,000 hours of Jan. 6 footage from Kevin McCarthy. It turns out, it is about Trump.
Carlson takes 14,000 hours of footage and cherry picks specific scenes that fit his, yours, and others scenarios of what you think happened Jan. 6.
It's amazing how people can watch the entire Jan. 6 live and yet think that is was just a peaceful gathering of people. As far as "look here, not there" goes that is precisely what you are telling me to do.
Jan. 6 is about Trump clear and simple. If he hadn't tried to steal the election from Biden, do you think Jan. 6 would have still happened without Trump? Tell that to Sicknick's family.I couldn't believe a page ago when the claim was made that this was just a peaceful event based on what Carlson showed. These people want to live in that alternate reality where the sins of their fellow Trump supporters are whitewashed so they can feel better about those they associate with by their voting history.
If I am to believe the DC Medical Examiner Brian Sicknick's condition and death had nothing to do with the riot or any chemicals he was sprayed with. So we have no way of knowing what day that condition might take his life. Strokes are as a rule not diagnosed until they give symptoms.
I don't think I gave anyone the impression I felt the Jan 6th protest was peaceful. I as a rule refer to it throughout this forum as a riot.
It was clear that some that attacked the capitol did want to stop
Congress from their duties that day.
My here not their reference to the media as well as the Jan 6th committee lying about Sicknicks death. Inferring he was killed by rioter's actions.
"I find it really typical that left media is burying the Sicknick report along with a clear video, to say once again --- Hey look here at Murdoch not there at a big old lie we perpetrated... "
I am not sure what you think I am telling you to do.
I just explained why I do what I do... And that we all have the right to post, and have conversations about what we are interested in.This was an interesting quote then:
I saw little hand-to-hand fighting, and what I saw was mostly mature men --- slapping at cops and tossing flags at them. I did see a fire extinguisher. thrown into the crowd. I saw no one beating anyone with a fire extinguisher. I saw lots of pushing, and even a man with his cell phone calmly video when protesters were trying to enter one of the doors. I never really watched much footage of the day. Your footage was eye-opening. It is very mild compared to the "Summer of Love" rioters, and the recent Left-wing Atlanta homeless "woods people". I was pleased to see 23 have been charged with terrorism.
You come to a lot of conclusions of the event for someone that says, 'I never really watched much footage of the day.' Perhaps you should look at more, as there would be much more violence to see.
And like I've noted, Sicknick collapsed four hours after the Capitol had been cleared, while still on duty. To think that the day's events did not contribute to his death is pretty far-fetched. The medical examiner and head of Capitol police both noted the events of the day contributed to his death, albeit from natural causes. In other words, if the Trump supporters had not attacked, there might not have been anything to trigger Sicknick's strokes.Being a nurse, I have some knowledge in regard to stroke. First, there are several types of stoke. I must just trust the DC Medical examiner would be truthful and stipulate if the stroke that occurred was averted by outside elements, such as trauma.
I believe I read that the Sicknick family has a pending lawsuit against two men that they feel contributed to the officer's death. I would be confident, we will hear a lot more about what type of stroke was responsible for his death.
I will certainly have a look at more footage of the Jan 6th riot.
I still say that it is not a coincidence that Mr. Sicknick died immediately after the violent confrontation, whether from natural causes or otherwise.
I glad that you can at least acknowledge that the gathering was more than a Kiwanis convention.
What right did the handful of rabble have to interfere with a Constitutionally directed protocol? What made them believe that they could change the course of the people's choice? How can they all believe the lie of one man who could not prove an iota of his assertions.
The mob were the bigoted, anti-democratic discards that we as a nation have tried to keep relegated to the root cellar, while Trump invites them into the living room.
So, yes, the video and its revelations hardly changed the true nature of the uprising, one without either moral or legal justification, from among the most base of our citizenry."I still say that it is not a coincidence that Mr. Sicknick died immediately after the violent confrontation, whether from natural causes or otherwise."
It's obvious you didn't watch the recently released video of January 6. It shows Mr. Sicknick walking around with no problem in the Capital building after protesters entered it. I think he passed away the next day of natural causes.
When you watch the newly released video it shows the many lies perpetrated by the January 6 committee.I did see it and I still say that it was not a coincidence that this man, supposedly unharmed in the midst of the melee, died the next day.
Are you making a claim, or forming an opinion, that you cannot back up with facts? Is that opinion made on the basis of what you wish to be true or what you know to be true?
Your common sense would tell you, Wilderness.
You are quick to take Carlson's lies as gospel without any critical evaluation but want to split hair on everything else?Common sense; the most uncommon thing in the world.
My "common sense" tells me to find out why and how he died before forming an opinion. That I might want him dead as the result of something evil from Trump does not play a part in it.
Carlson's lies? I haven't mentioned Carlson at all; is that opinion (I take his lies as gospel) another "common sense" thing where you simply conclude anything you want without need for data of any kind?
Well, when the medical examiner who everyone on the right believes about natural causes also stated that the events of January 6 contributed to his death, but they leave that part out, I would say that is a major omission of facts that undermines this entire thread's narrative that those that attacked the Capitol and Sicknick bear no culpability for his death.
Another post that omits key information. Sicknick collapsed on January 6 while still on duty, four hours after the Capitol was cleared. He lasted through the night and died the next day. To think that the events of the day did not impact him is the lie of this entire thread.
First, this thread omits when Sicknick collapsed (January 6) and then it omits that both the medical examiner and chief of the Capitol Police have stated that the events of the day contributed to Sicknick's death.
Just because Sicknick continued to serve in his role does not dismiss the trauma he was exposed to that the medical examiner stated had an effect.Then it can be agreed that Sicknick did NOT die as a direct result of actions by the protesters. What medical training does the chief of the Capitol Police have to make such an assessment? That opinion is pretty worthless.
Sicknick was not "murdered" by protesters as the left-wing media would have had people believe. The medical examiner's report clearly stated he died of "Natural Causes." Sicknick had some underlying medical issues that were the major cause of his death.
"What right did the handful of rabble have to interfere with a Constitutionally directed protocol?"
In my view, no right. They broke the law. Many have different views on the protest/riot. I can't answer what made them think they could change the course of an election. I can't answer why any individual believed the election was stolen at that point, Trump had time to have presented his proof, and the courts did not agree, with his cases in most cases.
It seems there were people there that came to the rally to show support, and there were some that planned trouble. Many were arrested and found guilty.
I wanted to make the point about how media can truely offer mistruths that can work to deepen the divide we see today.
I really do not think we are far appart in what we feel about Jan 6th.You do realize that much of the video footage given to Tucker Carlson was withheld by prosecutors at the trials of the protesters.
Take the case of the "Qanon Shaman." I think it would have made a difference at his trial if the footage of him being escorted by the Capital police in the Capital building was able to be used at his trial. There is even footage of him leading a prayer and thanking God for the Capital police. Yes, it would have made a difference.
It is more proof that the January 6 Committee was not out for the truth but to support a political agenda. THEY should be put on trial.Of course, they didn't want truth, they wanted convictions.
They wanted to ensure the narrative was not questioned.
Don't forget, on sites like MSNBC they had commentators come right out and say these people should be shot, hanged for treason, etc.
Again, the President himself has stated repeatedly such things as:
“The MAGA Republicans don’t just threaten our personal rights and economic security. They’re a threat to our very democracy,”
They aren't, they are a threat to the power structure that exists, the corruption and collusion that controls all in DC.
They want you to believe these people are a great threat... but to what?
Are they the type of rabble that cost the King and Nobles their heads in France?
The French Revolution occurred when the peasant class rose up against the king and queen of France at the time, King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. The royal family seemed completly disinterested in their people at the time, ignoring them as they went hungry.
In this case, the Middle Class is rising up, as the government depletes their retirement savings, strips social security, and spends trillions of dollars like there is no tomorrow, ensuring ever higher taxes in the future.
These politicians do not care about the American people, they only care about their own power and enrichment. Pelosi, Biden, etc. these are multi-millionaires doing the bidding of Billionaires. They only care about keeping the rabble in place, no different than masters who wanted their serfs and slaves kept in place.
The difference is they use the MSM to keep enough Americans clueless to how they are impoverishing them, and the nation, while also dividing them and keeping them at one another's throats over petty issues while the Country burns down around them.Weird then that Chansley signed off on his conduct at his trial.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … ut-capito/
Oh my MSN jumps from Tucker's revealing every big lie about Brian Sickicks death to Hey you guys look here --- Back to Trump
My God, can't you see the ploy that just jumped off that page? Comical.
Look here not there... And it would seem, ya do.
What do you think about the Sicknick lie? I mean that is the subject. Maybe touch on the subject -- a little.
It can't stay on subject because that would require acceptance of reality.
The acceptance that people were given a lie to swallow and the video footage overwhelmingly counters that lie.
One lie of many regarding so much pertaining to Jan 6th.Very true. I did not expect deflection when the video is clearly proof that the media and Democratic Government set out to use this man's death to stir hate with a pure lie. They needed death to make the protest look much worse than it actually was.
I would think as more of the videos are released we will discover many mistruths come to light.
Or they simply don't go where you want the discussion to go. You get to start a discussion. You don't get to dictate one.
No, don't get to dictate. But as a rule, I respect the subject laid out. Not sure why more just don't take a stab at presenting a thread instead of turning every thread into a Trump-bashing thread. I must say now that is a notable obsession here with some.
If there wasn't an attempt to hijack the term 'Big Lie,' something that universally refers to Trump's lies about election fraud, the discussion would not have evolved there. It could have easily stayed on Sicknick and the varied stories that immediately originated after he died that the OP wanted to discuss.
But posting video that showed he appeared in good health near the end of the insurrection does not dismiss the stresses that likely contributed to his death. It does not absolve those that organized the event that put him in danger, or those that attacked him and broke the law from culpability - which seems to be the true intent of the Carlson video release.In an instant, straight from, Trump and Trump supporters killed him to....they caused stress, which caused death.
"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."I just can't grasp the mindset of some. I offered information on an issue. A clarification of a pure lie. A video and a link to an official autopsy explanation.
I felt perhaps it would help to open some minds to the fact much of Jan 6th was blown out of proportion, and many reports have pushed lies, such as the death of Brian Sicknick.
Rational people are willing to believe facts. I can't deal with the
irrational."the fact much of Jan 6th was blown out of proportion"
Americans stormed our Capitol to stop the transfer of power (first time in 240+ years), threatening to kill elected officials, destroying property, and assaulting Capitol Police.
"the stresses that likely contributed to his death"
I think the reality of being a police officer is that stress is part of the job. An analogy would be if a suspect runs from police and a policeman has a heart attack, is the suspect guilty of murder because the suspect caused the police office stress?
It's part of the job.An interesting analogy, but one which excludes a direct physical or chemical attack by those causing the stress. Let's say the same suspect wrestled a policeman to the ground and due to the struggle the policeman dies later on from the stress of the struggle. Would you want that suspect charged?
I would not. The goal of the struggle was not to kill the policeman. The goal of the suspect was to escape. It is the job of the police officer to be in the proper physical shape to handle the stress of their job.
Ah, but in Sicknick's case, the goal was not an escape but an entry and the attack was to meet that goal - to disable those preventing that entry. So your escape analogy does not really fit the facts of the Sicknick case because instead of a withdrawal, it was an advance. In your example, the policeman was the physical aggressor. In Sicknick's, the insurrectionists were.
And not sure the stress of a 5-hour siege and chemical attack is really an expectation that all police officers across all age ranges can meet. Two more fell to the mental side of the trauma within a week after the event, let alone Sicknick who fell due to the physical trauma.
This stress excuse can easily be proven untrue. The coroner gave claim that he died of natural causes.
https://dcist.com/story/21/04/19/d-c-me … al-causes/
"Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick had two strokes before he died following the January 6th insurrection at the Capitol, according to a ruling from the D.C. Medical Examiner.
Sicknick’s manner of death was reported as natural. The cause was listed as “acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis.”
The office, which released the report Monday, classifies a death as natural when “a disease alone causes death. If death is hastened by an injury, the manner of death is not considered natural.”
"Chief Medical Examiner Francisco J. Diaz told the Washington Post that the autopsy found no evidence he “suffered an allergic reaction to chemical irritants, which Diaz said would have caused Sicknick’s throat to quickly seize. Diaz also said there was no evidence of internal or external injuries.”
It would seem some think they know more than D.C. Medical Examiner.
Or can't expect they were lied to make the protest look much worse than it was?
It is very unnerving to see many will continue to believe a lie, even when clear facts prove it to be a lie.
What you consider Trump-bashing is more people reacting to the tragedy that befell our nation when Trump came on the scene. We participate in these discussions to ensure that kind of tragedy doesn't repeat itself.
It's good that they are out, but it saddens me and angers me that so many good people have had their lives turned upside down, simply because Trump is and has been...so hated and so vilified!!
Just yesterday, once again, one more time, I was referred to as a liar when I mentioned that Ashli Babbitt was the only person to die that day in the Capitol Building. Because I know it to be the TRUTH!!!
I listened to talk radio on January 6th and heard first hand accounts of people calling into Rush's show. They spoke of the excitement in the air, the positiveness of Trump's speech. They spoke of when the agitators began showing up and how the mood began to change. They spoke of the wide open doors that people were entering through and how some chose not to because something didn't feel right!!! Many of the ones calling in, left at that point.
We knew all of this, I, personally wrote several articles about it.
It's just that it was allowed to fester into something else, something as ugly as was intended by Trump haters, with power!
It is a sad, sad story, but true.
I hope and pray that those who were held in prison for months and months...without being charged and those currently serving time, those that never caused any harm to anyone or anything...sue the government and become wealthier than the dug-in devils that inhabit the disgusting D.C. Swamp!!!So agree --- And this subject has them dancing as fast as they can to spin away from the subject.
One died on that day --- one died as a result of the protest one veteran by the name of Ashli Babbitt. An unarmed American citizen. No matter what s being said, we can hold onto the truths of that day.
Those that can't. Well, that is their problem.
Nicely put together, Sharlee! I am not surprised that the media and democrats orchestrated the propaganda.
It's almost comical that in the same week that Fox News has been exposed in court for helping to create an extremely false reality, that they knew was fabricated, that they put out another one to try and downplay the violence on January 6.
For us on the left, we are not surprised any more by this because the Fox News executives and hosts made it clear that what their base viewers want is that alternate reality. When Fox News began losing viewers around Trump's election loss, they platformed people they knew were lying. When they called Arizona for Biden, they debated reversing the call to not offend the viewers.
This alternate reality about January 6 is the next election fraud or that fabricated giant red wave from November of 2022 all over again. They create a reality that is akin to a safe space for their viewers where they are holier-than-thou and the other side is the one lying about real-world events.
And even when they have been proven to be the ones spinning the lies, their base viewers just cannot handle acknowledging it. This is where the rest of America, the 81 million people that would risk putting a senile old has-been into the White House, currently sits. We would prefer to elect anyone else than someone clearly trying to spin those alternate and fabricated realities - and that encompasses most of the GOP in the House and all but a few of the candidates (like a Sununu) that are going to run for President.The Government (FBI, DNC, DOJ, etc.) and the MSM colluded to convince America an insurrection occurred?
No. Just not possible. You're a conspiracy hack and Tucker Carlson is an extremist that should be shut down and locked up.
This is why we need stricter control over what is posted on Social Media sites, and why Fox News and these other radical extremist outlets need to be shut down completely.
In the infamous words of Mika Brzezinski "Controlling what people think. That is our job."Ken, I agree 100%... However, we still have many that have kept our wits about us, and won't buy into the BS.
Have I said how glad I am to see you joining back in?Thank you for the welcome.
I am going to leave this thread tonight with something for all readers to consider. When thinking about this deception that has been fostered on Americans, and when thinking about all the new divisive issues that have arisen in recent years in our society, and beyond:
"At the heart of the global confrontation that has begun is the spiritual, religious aspect. Russia is at war with an anti-religious civilisation that fights God and overthrows the very foundations of spiritual and moral values: God, the Church, the family, gender, man. With all the differences between Orthodoxy, traditional Islam, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism, all religions and the cultures built upon them recognise divine truth, the high spiritual and moral dignity of man, honouring traditions and institutions - the state, the family, the community. The modern West has abolished all this, replacing it with virtual reality, extreme individualism, the destruction of gender, universal surveillance, a totalitarian 'abolition culture', a post-truth society.
Open Satanism and outright racism flourish in Ukraine, and the West only supports them.
We are dealing with what the Orthodox elders call the 'civilisation of the Antichrist'. Russia's role is therefore to unite believers of different faiths in this decisive battle.
You must not wait for the world enemy to destroy your home, kill your husband, son or daughter... At some point it will be too late. God forbid we live to see such a moment.
The enemy offensive in the Kharkiv region is just that: the beginning of a real war of the West against us.
The West demonstrates its intention to start a war of annihilation against us - the third world war. We must bring together all our deepest national potential to repel this attack. With all means: thought, military force, economy, culture, art, internal mobilisation of all state structures and each of us."
- Alexander Dugin, regarding the current/coming WWIII
Why do I quote that you wonder?
Well, I wonder how many Americans felt something similar when participating in that Jan 6th event. I wonder how many Americans silently share in a similar sentiment about our government now?
When American troops openly deploy in Ukraine against the Russians, what is that going to stir up here in America?So rising up to overthrow your government is acceptable if it's based on your own perceived religious doctrines? And I'd say the majority of those there on January 6 were there because they were fed lies about a fraudulent election, in the same way that the Russians seem to be being fed lies about Satanism and Racism existing in Ukraine and supported by the West.
Cmon, Ken, you are not really giving any credibility to what is clearly Russian propaganda. This Dugin fellow is a Putin mouthpiece.
The people that believe such nonsense about the present government is definitely the "wrong stuff", the very worse of humanity come to Washington to share mayhem.
We are not openly deploying troops, I will worry about that when that line is crossed.I believe the point you are trying to make is one of believed propaganda by a citizenry and the real-world consequences of it. The things Alexander Dugin wrote are nothing but propaganda, but it was justification to invade a sovereign nation to hide the real reasons behind it. Is the analogy the January 6th event was turned into a propaganda tool used by the democrats? Are you saying we should all be wary of such types of government propaganda or we shall find ourselves in direct conflict with Russia? A conflict Americans should not even think about fighting?
There is a lot of "Fog of War" in America today.
Presenting Dugin's position can be considered extreme, but it is general to what is being put forth in Russia.
It also reflects the "state of war" many within America today feel is ongoing against Christianity, Family, etc. I would argue the number of Americans discouraged by the direction of our country "with virtual reality, extreme individualism, the destruction of gender, universal surveillance, a post-truth society." grows by the day.
Our own President has made speeches against Republicans, Trump Supporters, labeling them extremists, domestic terrorists, the largest threat to Democracy the world has ever known, etc. etc.
Yeah, it's like none of us saw with our own eyes live on television what happened on January 6, we should all just believe Fox's version of the event. It's not like they've ever knowingly lied to their viewers in a way that directly undermined democracy, right?
No assaults on police and everyone was simply invited in to the Capitol so they could stop the peaceful transfer of power for the first time in history. Those were some well trained crisis actors, apparently. And clearly, no one in government wanted to certify that free and fair election.
Or that the courts are rigged to convict people of seditious conspiracy without any evidence at all. I mean, 'they' must have come up with that insurrection label from thin air even with those convictions. And stuffing the jury with all liberals to get those convictions. How dare 'they?'
That's the argument?I don't think anyone has offered your sentiments in regard to your comment.
You are deflectiog away from the subject, which was about one officer, and how he was used by the media to spread misleading information. You appear to believe something different than what is on video, and a report of an autopsy. You seem to prefer to believe the views of those that are not really qualified to offer what caused Sicknicks death.Am I deflecting? I've acknowledged that the assault on a police officer with a fire extinguisher that was attributed to Sicknick was not accurate and was corrected by the media source that made the claim.
I've also shown that media may have gotten that idea from the official police statement issued on January 7 that claimed Sicknick died from injuries sustained in the line of duty on January 6.
And I have also included two sources that were left out of your original post that also believe that the event on January 6 was a contributing factor to Sicknick's death, including that of the medical examiner and head of the Capitol Police. If those two people are not 'qualified,' to use your words, to back up my claims, then not sure who is. The difference here is that I am not leaving out critical information that gaslights the people at this site.
I could also link to multiple quotes of neurological experts noting that the stress of a traumatic event such as a riot could easily set off the strokes that Sicknick experienced. And he collapsed at 10pm the same night of the insurrection, just back at his Division Offices. The strokes that took his life happened on January 6, directly after the Capitol was cleared.
And then there's this in the lawsuit against Trump and two others for Sicknick's death:
Although Washington D.C.'s chief medical examiner, Dr. Francisco Diaz, ruled that Sicknick died of "natural causes," he further stated that the events on Jan. 6 "played a role in his condition," the lawsuit said. (which is pretty much the argument that Cred and I have been making)
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/06/11473570 … r-brian-si
And look, more footage of the peaceful tours from that day that none of us witnessed live on television....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z8fvX6NAoYour videos showed me something that was more than shocking --- there were literally thousands of Americans there protesting the election, unhappy with the election being certified. Carrying flags, and chanting.
I saw little hand-to-hand fighting, and what I saw was mostly mature men --- slapping at cops and tossing flags at them. I did see a fire extinguisher. thrown into the crowd. I saw no one beating anyone with a fire extinguisher. I saw lots of pushing, and even a man with his cell phone calmly video when protesters were trying to enter one of the doors. I never really watched much footage of the day. Your footage was eye-opening. It is very mild compared to the "Summer of Love" rioters, and the recent Left-wing Atlanta homeless "woods people". I was pleased to see 23 have been charged with terrorism.
Now those left-wing protests were violent, as well as destructive.
So unpopular makes something honest or true? That's an interesting take I've never heard before.
It's time to take our country back from these Nazi democrats.
The January 6th tapes that were releast to Tucker Carlson just goes to show America just how low the Nazi democrats wil stoop to lie through their rotting teeth to hide the full truth of what happened on January 6th. These rotten Nazi democrats should all be in jail for their cover up. I will NEVER trust a democrats. Nazi democrats are rot to the core. And I wouldn't waste my piss on them if they were on fire.
I think the bigger issue here is that this video should have been released to the public by the January 6 committee. By withholding such video, it demonstrates what a farce the committee was. It was not out after the truth, it had an agenda and manipulated information to meet its agenda. I do wonder now how many other things that occurred that day were withheld by the committee.
Here is the story about a capital police officer who was never called to testify by the January 6 committee, but really wanted to testify.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-ca … ge-release
This video presented by Tucker Carlson also destroys the idea of an insurrection. I think those on the left should not have a problem with January 6th since it was "mostly peaceful." Just like the protests on the left.You seem to like analogies, so here is one.
A team of armed robbers robs a bank and the police show the surveillance footage of the actions of the robbers which includes physical violence and theft as it pertains to the crimes that were committed.
The defense team only shows the video of the getaway driver outside to argue the case that there was no robbery and that there was one person there just going for a drive at the same time that unknown others were robbing the bank.
Was the getaway driver part of the crime? Sure. Do the actions of the driver nullify those that committed the more serious crimes? Would the driver also be charged with the more serious crimes in this example? If he was part of organizing the crime, sure.
Showing the lesser offensive people of the day does not negate the more serious offenses or that people have been convicted of seditious conspiracy - hence an insurrection. Would the crowd have been able to breach the barricades if not for the mass of those who arrived and then entered the Capitol? It's why there have been over 1,000 people charged to date.So where are the charges of the insurrectionist Antifa and BLM when they violently tried to storm the White House with Trump inside in 2020. Oh that's right, thugs insurrectionist like Antifa and BLM are provided with get out of jail free cards from the Nazi democrats who supported those worthless violent thugs.No cries from the Nazi democrats about their INSURRECTION.
That's like turning a blind eye to a bank robbery.Why would you ask a Democrat that question when the Attorney General at the time was a Republican that chose not to bring charges? I've often agreed that some elements of the June protests could be labeled insurrection as there was violence against the government. But as they were crimes against federal buildings, that would have been a decision made by Bill Barr and not the Democrats as you falsely claim.
The current AG Garland has been hunting down "Jan 6th offenders" for over two years. Because they are "so called insurrectionist". Garland has the authority to investigate anything related to violence even if it was back ing 2020. NOTHING is stopping him from hunting down "insurrectionist thugs Antifa and BLM who tried to violently attack the WH. I guess the nazi democrats don't give a damn about those thug insurrectionist on the far left.
I would say in this case the jury should see all of the video in its entirety and make a decision. The issue with the January 6 committee is they only showed selective portions of video that made their case. They never made public anything that did NOT make their case. This means the January 6 committee was nothing more than a group of political-agenda driven politicians who wanted to control the narrative to prove their point. My point is and always will be that the January 6 committee was a political farce. I knew it and so did many people on my side of the isle. This only proves our point.
"Would the crowd have been able to breach the barricades if not for the mass of those who arrived and then entered the Capitol?"
Another important point that is ignored is the Capital police and other law enforcement agencies had intel that such a thing could occur weeks prior to the event and did not properly prepare for it. Why? Why was the intelligence reports from federal agencies ignored? That was never explored by the committee.
I say that the 1,000 people charged are victims of political ploy to intimidate those opposed to the democrat party. The riots out west were far, far, far worse and nowhere near that many people were charged.
Because it was "mostly" peaceful?You think those trying to make a case should show things unrelated to the crimes committed? We all know there were some people that were just illegally in the Capitol based on the charges brought. But Carlson claiming that people were on a sightseeing tour or that they all just casually meandered through the Capitol is gaslighting. Focusing on the lesser criminality and excluding ALL of the more violent attacks is pure propaganda.
And the intel did not include Trump's plan to send his entire crowd to the Capitol because he never shared that with them. Why did he not tell anyone in charge of security that that was his plan?
The 1,000 people that broke the law to stop the peaceful transfer of power of our government are victims? That's an interesting take. The difference being that if the police chose to arrest and charge rioters out West, the left would support that wholeheartedly."the left would support that wholeheartedly"
Kamala Harris using her public presence to promote organizations to fund bail for Minnesota protestors doesn't seem to bear out this opinion.As usual, the right leaves out all context of Harris to continue to make this claim. Harris' support of bail came the day after hundreds were arrested for peacefully protesting on a highway just past curfew. They all sat down and were peacefully detained. That was the event that prompted Harris' post - but the right omits that critical information to slander and gaslight Harris.
Really?
Minnesota bail fund promoted by Kamala Harris freed convict now charged with murder
Harris encouraged donations to the Minnesota Freedom Fund
The bail fund — which has a history of springing violent criminals — wants to implement "wide-scale decarceration" and supports "organizations that transition resources and power to Black, Indigenous and communities of color, as well as the others directly harmed by cash bail and the justice system."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minnes … ged-murderYes, really. The Minnesota Freedom Fund only started springing violent criminals after far-right media sites noted how much they had raised from the publicity Harris gave them and that they were not spending. They increased that spending, adding more violent criminals, until there were some dire results that made them change back to less violent offenders. Again, timelines and the full story matters - something rarely seen from those on the right that gaslight by leaving out major parts to make their fabricated narratives.
Again, even what you've written proves the left has no respect for the rule of law and has a history of freeing criminals on society.
Wait. That they were taken to task for not spending the donations they had collected excuses setting violent criminals free?
Not in my book it doesn't. Only idiots would do what they did.
id·i·ot
[ˈidēət]
NOUN
a stupid person.The end of results of the right's goal to complain for the sake of complaining. The right shined a spotlight on the organization not using their funding on bail initiatives. So the organization adjusted after that criticism. Maybe the idiots in this case were the ones that leveled that criticism which led to the expansion of funds to more violent criminals as well as the ones that thought that would end well.
Then you DO find it to excuse the idiocy of setting violent criminals free to harm others.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.As usual, you cannot understand my words and try and fabricate a belief that just does not exist.
"So the organization adjusted after that criticism. Maybe the idiots in this case were the ones that leveled that criticism which led to the expansion of funds to more violent criminals as well as the ones that thought that would end well."
LOL Looks to me like I hit the nail on the head. "The idiots are the ones that caused a great organization to arrange release of violent criminals. For sure: the ones that bought them out were not to blame; it was the other vile ones that said they weren't spending enough money that made them do it.
Sounds like a 2 year old arguing that they were made to hit their sibling. "She made me do it! 'Cause she stuck her tongue out at me!"Actually, you could not understand that I blamed both the critics and the organization with my wording. As has been so often the case in the past, your interpretations of what others say goes into some alternate reality where you need to fabricate new meanings as a means of trolling. In this case, you even added an additional word (that being great) to try and convince yourself that I am in agreement with what the organization had done, which of course is another failed invention. With an addition of a petty insult on the back end for good measure.
I am so pleased you are addressing the subject I hoped would be very obvious. We were lied to, the Jan 6th committee further perpetrated that lie with a stream of witnesses with second-hand information. The committee was formed to do one thing --- look here not there. Biden was offering a disaster a day --- they needed some hyperbolic feed to feed those that needed to be fed, and keep the hate flowing. In my view, The Jan 6th hearing produced nothing, zero. It was nothing but a ploy. Oh, it fed hate, that is very clear to me.
"We were lied to" After the number in the thousands of Trump's lies, documented by independent sources, plus the revelations this week about FOX news, I think it's a little late to be complaining about being lied to.
"thousands of Trump's lies"
More proof that Trump derangement Syndrome is a real thing.We disagree on that list... Sorry. I have exposed many lies Trump has been accused of just due to left media taking his words fully out of context. Sorry, agree to disagree.
If you want lies I could list full footage, the full context of Biden lying time after time. Youtube, is full of footage, as well as the White House transcripts of his speeches. He lies profusely. Either purposefully or perhaps out of confusion.
Anyone who watched the Capitol "riot" in real time doesn't need a committee to explain to them what happened or the tragedy of it. It was only too obvious.
Anyone who believes they saw everything happening that day in real time isn't being honest.
Watch this and how a black capital police officer of 22 years was punished after being a hero during that day. Why did they do this? Listen to his interview. It is important information from a person who was not called to testify before they January 6 committee, but should have been as a front line senior officer that day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LWsvmi6guEGee, internal documents from a lawsuit. And people's opinion portrayed in these documents in this matter is important because? I then suppose everyone's opinion of Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer are also accurate.
The clown knows his audience. The ones that believe any of the ridiculous Qanon conspiracies, the same people that believed him and his pals at Fox about the elections while they laughed it off.
This. Case in point.
Hey, at least he/they is/are consistent.
Should we check their texts?Yeah, get right on that text-checking. Good grief!!
So you approve of checking one's personal texts? Well, thanks for being upfront with your view. It strikes me you don't really go out on a limb much and share your view. Enlightening... Maybe next raid their homes?
Any view on the Brian Sicknick lie, Fox, uncovered?"It strikes me you don't really go out on a limb much and share your view."
I thought you didn't go for personal attacks.Excuse me while I butt in, but if this is considered a "personal attack" then we are ALL in deep doo-doo!!
Our friend Faye, threw me to the wolves, as she exited the building, accusing me of something I absolutely took no part in, but nonetheless she succeeded in putting it out there.
We ALL {certainly yours truly} need to talk through our differences and work to understand one another a little bit better, before we go off half-cocked.
Shar and I believe that there's a lot of corruption in D.C., and that "we the people" are harmed by it, you don't seem to see it that way. We can work from that point...... can't we?I think the stark page of a chat has given you a wrong impression of my words. I don't feel it is a personal attack when I say I observed IB doesn't share her views frequently. Pleases note my words --- "it strikes me" as to be in my view...
to be honest, I think she puts her thoughts out with care, using solid statements as a rule to project or shed light on any given subject.
So, hopefully, she takes my words, (in this case) as I meant them.
I find there are others here that keep much of their views to themselves. Not because they don't believe in their views, but just choose for one reason or another to not share them, sort of keep the middle or fence sit, as some call it. IB is careful with respect to sharing her views. As a rule, IB puts out information on how she came to a view.
In this case, it would seem you took offense at something I stated. Perhaps you should ask what I meant, before bringing out claws.Shar,
The left is so terrified of this footage released by Tucker Carlson.
I never thought I would see the day that the leader of the Senate would go before the press and demand a news story be silenced and a commentator taken off the air.
This SHOULD terrify everyone.
Why the intense fear of the footage?These are the scariest of times. One can only hope the citizens that buy into this kind of Government authoritarian wake up soon. My god, the writing is on the wall... We have been and are being lied to, and provided only narratives the Government sees fit to share.
This should literally terrify everyone!
When people can ignore facts, even video facts, it tells me the problem is much worse than I thought.
Like I said on your new thread --- when a pungent can go on a left cable network and shout "he should be shot" he should be killed"! If Americans can't see the hate that is being purposely spread by this left media they, IMO, are blinded to common sense, and truth.Democracy is Under Attack! The rallying cry of the left today.
And they are right, too. The very roots of Democracy are under attack today...by the left as they assault the cornerstone of democracy, free speech.
Everywhere we look today, free speech is under attack by the left. From Tik Tok to Twitter to Facebook - ban Tik Tok and censor any other social outlet. From TV "news" shows being told what not to air to Universities refusing to invite speakers from the right. From destruction of historical statues to denunciation of anyone not swallowing the woke concept hook line and sinker. Free speech is under attack today, and it won't stop until liberal government controls all information we receive.Banning Tik Tok is pretty bipartisan as both parties agree that China is using it to spy on people from other countries. That argument is about the same as we shouldn't check to see if the candidate Russia helped elect might not have the best interests of the country as his main priority.
And both parties have their own attempts to attack free speech. Books are being banned in red states, bills are being created that make it a crime to talk about elected officials, and leaders of a party are calling the media the enemy of the people (ala Germany in the 1940's). The GOP President attempted to use his power to remove content from Twitter because it personally insulted him.
The difference is that so much of what the left does not want to be exposed to is the misinformation from the right - and when they have been shown to knowingly be lying to their viewers, or admit to putting out 'alternative facts,' then they are creating false realities that have turned dangerous as we saw on January 6.I agree as you know... Free speech is under attack, and many just don't recognize that fact.
"And they are right, too. The very roots of Democracy are under attack today...by the left as they assault the cornerstone of democracy, free speech."
As I just said to PP. What could be wrong with seeing all the tapes from Jan 6th. ? What could possibly be wrong?
The media and both sides of the aisle are so incensed about Carlson presenting the videos. Everyone needs to please stop !
Ask yourself why... Minds are being so muddled, this has become very serious.
Yes, many are buying all of this hook line, and sinker.Wilderness: Please explain the woke concept to me. I heard DeSantis say Florida is where woke goes to dies. I need a real definition of what you think woke is and its origins...thank you.
Sharlee: There is nothing wrong with seeing all the tapes of Jan. 6. However, what is wrong is only seeing the select tapes from Carlson after he has lied to his audience and you basing your conclusion on just those select tapes. As I told you before, there are 14,000 hours of footage.
This is for your consideration.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/s … ce-footageHere is where the problem is. occurs. These are never seen before tapes, The tapes Tucker showed clearly point out the media pushed misconception in regard to Sicknicks death, and the Shaman's conduct in the Jan 6th protest.
In my opinion, the truth was not provided by not just telling the truth about both issues.
For instance, n another thread you and I are discussing Boebert, and her sermon to a crowd of Christians.. You offered some great points in regards to her putting out a Bible verse that she left much of the verse out...
Leaving perhaps her audience open to add their own context. Which was done. You got something I did not. You went on to read into the word she factually did say. So, it will appear you felt there was a dog whistle. But my point, was there, do we have the right to critique and add to another's spoken words? Media has us doing this daily... Media provides a starting point, some take an issue and run with it. Is this acceptable in your view?
We were not given the full facts of what occurred on Jan 6th. Just due to most media not reporting the full context of what went on on that day. I think when Jan 6th occurred we needed to hear all the truths, so we the people could come to our own conclusions on what went down that day.
I think the majority would agree, this was a dangerous situation, and that many broke the law. But did we need the media to push a false narrative? The attack at the capitol was bad enough in regard to a crowd disrupting our Congress at work. Did we need the media to repeat the lie that Sicknick died due to his being beaten?
Now we have two truths. One that truely has been proved a lie, Sicknicks death. Does this kind of hyperbolic media reporting only go to sew deceit? Now giving one side ammunition to keep this great divide alive and well.
I think we need truth to heal the divide. I feel actually it is the only thing that could work.
The media is not our friend, in my view. It is what keeps an ongoing war between right and left.
The root cause of all of this is Trump. You take Trump out the equation, you have no root cause for Jan. 6, Dominion, Raffensberger, The lying entertainers at Fox. Siicknick, no matter what he died of, McCarthy giving the tapes to Carlson, Rupert Murdoch, the oath keepers, proud boys, Babbitt, fake voting slate by select governors, Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell. John Eastman, the horned Qanon shaman.
It all points to one sick man who can't accept that he lost an election. And now he is gearing up to do it again. All of you people are all tap dancing around the root cause. He leaves a wake of death, injury, destruction, and people going to jail because he is a sick man. And those of you who are indirectly defending him are also being swept up in his wake.
Instead of a peaceful transfer of power to the duly elected president. He wanted you to fight like hell for him or there would be no country. And now here you are trying to justify his actions of Jan. 6 by viewing selected clips of Jan. 6, so that Tucker Carlson can continue to lie and tell his audience what they want to hear and see; so the big bucks continue to flow into to Carlson and Fox News...Yes you are right, "look here not there."This is more proof that Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a REAL thing.
Yeah, let's accuse everyone who holds Trump responsible for organizing the rally and secretly sending his supporters to the Capitol of having a fabricated mental disorder. That's so not a personal attack on anyone.
RMN: "This is more proof that Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a REAL thing."
That's all you got after everything that I said? You are not even going to deny any of it being true? The irony is TDS is not a real thing. It is made up by Trumpers who can't even defend him or themselves.
I defy you to prove that TDS is a real clinical disease. On the other hand Trump has all the behavior and symptoms of not only being a master-con artist, but he also suffers from deeply rooted narcissistic behavior.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … ly-con-man
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-i … yer-2022-9
I think McCarthy made the right decision to out the full footage of that day. We have seen what the left media showed us -- time to see the rest. How can we be satisfied with only what "they" wanted us to see? How can we solidify views, without all the footage? What could be wrong with seeing it all?
I am not sure how you feel anyone in this conversation is about Trump. We are discussing a couple of videos that Carlson presented that show in both cases that the media presented two issues about the Jab 6th protest untruthfully. I don't feel anyone has condoned those that choose to break the law on that day.
It is clear some wanted to stop Congress from doing its job, and that violence broke out. However, did we need to be told that officers "were killed" that day? The truth of the riot was bad enough, was it not? Did it need to be sensationalized by the media?
The subject you have brought up is complicated and needs a thread that can break all you brought up down.
I had hoped this thread would wake us all up to the fact media is lying in many situations, and these hyperbolic lies are making everything so much worse. The greater the divide, the less chance to mend it. We don't need lies from anyone, we need truth. Whatever that truth be.
In this case, the Jan 6th protest/riot was in many ways misrepresented. I have just brought forth a couple of incidents.Carlson has just presented select clips that you are basing your misrepresentation on.. Are you going to watch all 14,000 hours of the footage? Millions of people world wide saw it live. It wasn't sensationalized by the media, it was in real time.
The only reason Carlson is releasing those clips is for his audience. He has already stated that he was lying to his audience to bring in the bucks.
My statements don't need to be broken down. Fox news has done a disservice to the public by not airing the Jan. 6 select committees hearing when it was happening. The only thing their entertainers did was criticize the committee at that time.
All the things and people I mentioned don't need to be broken down, except for Fox viewers who were kept in the dark about Jan. 6 and the hearings. It's apparent the entertainers have kept there audience ill informed presenting them with what they want to hear.
The only reason the select committee couldn't continue is because there was a changing of the guard. Now the GOP house wants to investigate the investigators.
You are right about that we need is the truth, but in politics the truth can take on many dimensions. The real truth may be brought about by the DOJ and his people, if that ever happens. Every other truth is biased depending on whether you are a democrat or republican.
Wow, if that is how you define Trump's Presidency, I can't imagine what hyperbolic adjectives you are going to use for Biden, who is still has a couple years left to get us into WWIII.
I must have missed that speech where he told his supporters to "fight like hell for him or there would be no more country".
I imagine you meant he said things like 'take up arms, storm the Capitol, take over DC by force'. I'm surprised CNN didn't mention it.
Tucker Carlson showed video footage that others were trying to ensure the rest of America never saw, that doesn't make him a liar, that makes him an exposer of liars."Tucker Carlson showed video footage that others were trying to ensure the rest of America never saw, that doesn't make him a liar, that makes him an exposer of liars."
This is very true. If Carlson did not show the videos we never would have seen them. It is clear to me that the Jab 6th committee had these tapes, and still played up the Shaman, as well as Sicknick's death.
I see that Congress has also voted to release the COVID information that we have not seen, and hat Biden is "dragging his feet...
I will never understand how some may not realize that the media along with the Democrats in Washington as well as some Republicans are fine eth keeping all the facts from the American citizens. Pushing their own forms of propaganda.
The facts can be laid out and yet many still refuse to except facts.https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-tu … ws-1786252
How is it possible that so many prominent Republicans in Congress say that Tucker Carlson is bunk? Are they RINOs? Why take the word of a showboat, consummate liar like Carlson, over the best of your rank and file leadership in Washington?What has Carlson been caught lying about? Oh I see what you are doing here.
You know very well the answer to that Credence.
We have discussed and debated it many times over the years.
The collusion between those long tenured politicians in DC.
The reality that very powerful extremely wealthy corporations as well as individuals (Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, etc.) have the ability to secure support on both sides of the aisle to ensure whatever laws they want passed, pass.
The reality that these millionaires, on both sides of the aisle, serve the interests of billionaire and trillionaires, they forward the interests of the UN and International Corporatism, the IMF, the WB, and the Military Industrial Complex over the interests of the Nation or its people.
Anything that exposes this truth, whether its Trump, or Tucker, or Elon Musk, becomes a #1 enemy of the State, or Establishment if you prefer.
Thirty years ago there was not a better system in the world, than America, today... it may very well be as corrupt and criminal as any government in the world today, its hard to say.Ken, America has been this way for a very long time. In the first few decades, this was hidden but everyone knows that government can be brought & ruled by the powers that be. Remember, Tammany Hall- government was brought & sold. Government, for the most part, has been corrupt in one way or another. Anyone who believes that government is pure is living in Fantasyland.
Government corruption has become more blatant from the late 1960s. Money rules the government no matter how we vote & who we vote for. Politics is a corrupt business. Only a small percentage of people remain unscathed when they enter politics. New York City & other metropolitan politics has been always been corrupt in one way or another. Most people become corrupted when they become powerful.
To divert somewhat from the topic discussed, even family is political. There are parents who exert their authority to the extreme because they are parents, believe that what they say is law & that they can treat their children as lesser beings. Everything is politics in one way or another. To reiterate, most people are incapable of handling authority in an enlightened & mature manner. When most people get power, they act accordingly.
Those who rule will, for the most part, will do so arbitrarily. They believe that they are in power, they can do as they please-believing that the peons, hoi polloi, or masses are unaware & don't posses the knowledge that the former does. The ruling class also contend that besides being unknowledgeable, the masses are weak.There is a difference however, the past to the current form we see today.
There was a political loyalty to the Nation, and to the people of the Nation, that does not exist today.
Internationalism, the NWO, WEF, One World Globalism vs. Nationalism... and for the people this does not appear to be a good thing.
This allows International Corporations to get away with murder, literally, as well as figuratively. They are able to bypass paying taxes, they are able to ignore many laws that are supposed to safeguard the populace.
They have gutted the country's wealth and value, industry has moved to China and other countries, while the National wealth has been "spent" on wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and currently Ukraine... there is no accountability of the trillions of dollars "spent" by the Pentagon, there is no accountability of the hundreds of billions sent in "support" of Ukraine.
Culturally... Socially we have been destroyed, being a Patriot means you are now classified as an extremist or domestic terrorist, having an American flag outside your home is now an offense to others; being a man or a woman is not decided by what is between your legs, but how you feel; children who cannot drink, drive, be held legally responsible, are suddenly capable of deciding to whether they need to undergo sex change procedures... our society is in the grips of insanity, and those that advocate the merits of the above are culpable for the spread of this insanity.
As I have quoted before... I find this the best description for where America is today:
We are "an anti-religious civilization that overthrows the very foundations of spiritual and moral values: God, the Church, the family, community and gender."
[America] has abolished all this, replacing it with virtual reality, extreme individualism, the destruction of gender, universal surveillance, a post-truth society."
Well, Ken, we have many conversations about this. I am just not on board with your perspective.
First of all, instead of reactions to elites from disgruntled people it was more about this. That is the reason they were there? Right?
"On the afternoon of January 6, 2021, a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters descend on the U.S. Capitol, attempting to interfere with the certification of electoral votes from the 2020 presidential election."
I don't like people usurping the Constitutional prescribed process with an attitude that in our distress "WE" supersede the process. Those "long tenured" D.C. Congressmen have nothing to do with the proper assignment of Electoral College votes, does it? This country has in place a peaceful means for the transfer of power, I expect all to respect and abide with it. And, I am going to be suspicious of the motives of those who do not.
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Besides, theft, vandalism, they smeared the floor of our senate building in urine and feces. They were nothing more than filthy degenerates. What would I have in common with people who behave like this, regardless of their cause? These were not teenagers but, by and large, middle aged adults. I would have expected a higher standard for just that reason.
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Excerpt from the New York Times:
"WASHINGTON — There were infamous white nationalists and noted conspiracy theorists who have spread dark visions of pedophile Satanists running the country. Others were more anonymous, people who had journeyed from Indiana and South Carolina to heed President Trump’s call to show their support. One person, a West Virginia lawmaker, had only been elected to office in November.
All of them converged on Wednesday on the grounds of the U.S. Capitol, where hundreds of rioters crashed through barricades, climbed through windows and walked through doors, wandering around the hallways with a sense of gleeful desecration, because, for a few breathtaking hours, they believed that they had displaced the very elites they said they hated.
“We wanted to show these politicians that it’s us who’s in charge, not them,” said a construction worker from Indianapolis, who is 40 and identified himself only as Aaron. He declined to give his last name, saying, “I’m not that dumb.”
He added: “We’ve got the strength.”
As the country sifts through the shards of what happened in Washington on Wednesday, what comes into focus in the storming of the Capitol is a jumbled constellation of hard-core Trump supporters: a largely white crowd, many of them armed with bats, shields and chemical spray; some carried Confederate flags and wore costumes of fur and horns inspired by QAnon; they were mostly men but there were women, too."
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These were not impoverished people, but those who could be called middle class. Mostly white, having more than the average dollop of bigotry and resentment amongst their numbers. What did the guy mean by "US" in charge, that certainly did not include me, who is us? Based upon that, I have nothing common with the kinds of people that stormed the Capitol.
I see them as a greater enemy than the "establishment" that they sought to disrupt. Whatever problems we have with actual elites and elitism is not going be solved in the musings of a filthy, unwashed mob.Yup, you are very good a regurgitating what the very left MSM sources put out.
That is all your post shows.
I can't disagree with not one of the Congressmen that were quoted in the article about what they saw or felt about the Riot that occurred on Jan 6th.
However, does it change the fact what we saw was cherry-picked? My reasoning for posting this thread was not to take away from what happened on that day but to shed light on the fact we were given some hyperbolic information, that yes, was proven with the footage not to be true.
Val offered a good piece of info, but many media did retract some of the mistruths. However, I ask, how many that heard the mistruths saw the reactions?
I have a problem with this kind of reporting. It is destructive to our very society, and IMO, we are being widely split due to the many lies we are being given.Can't deny that Sharlee, media from both sides of the political spectrum shares the blame for inaccurate reports and reporting.
That is fact.
And the only way you can get some semblance of the truth is taking what BOTH extreme sites put out, and realizing they are both full of bias.
When you take anything a site like the NY Times or CNN or OANN reports as fact, you are just swallowing a lie whole.
Right now, the lies and deception our MSM puts out has NEVER been worse, Tucker showing these videos is just exposing how deep the deception currently runs.
PeoplePower73: And you know what amazes me? We knew what he was from Day One. Everybody knew. And some still make excuses for him today, when the extent of the CON is being revealed more and more every day. These are otherwise rational people. I don't get it.
Kathleen, let me take a shot at this, if I may!
I don't know of anyone who thought they were electing Jesus Christ, we weren't looking for perfection, just someone who finally agreed with us, that we are on a destructive course!
We don't want fundamental transformation, we don't want to be dependent on any other country for our needs, when we have all the natural resources we need, right here on our own soil. Speaking of soil...we do not like it one bit when Obama, Clinton, Biden, bash this country right here on our own soil. We sure as heck don't like it when they bash it on foreign soil!!
They want to grow Government, thinking it's the answer to everything, we believe the people are the answer and that we have the entrepreneurial spirit and drive and know-how and wherewithal to accomplish anything we may need, to meet the needs here.
Why can't we get back to....you know!
Making America great again?
We know what to do and we want the freedom to do it. Government already gets in our way as it is. They need to be unhindered in order to protect our borders and keep us ALL secure; those we elect, need to be focused on protecting the U.S. Constitution, not babysitting us, nor placing mandates on us, nor seeking wealth while there!!!
Where Dems have envisioned that we go.....is not what our Founders envisioned! Trump understands this. Try listening to any speech of his, from start to finish and look at the big picture, not these little cherry -picked sound bites that MSM uses to mock and destroy him, just as they and the D.C. swamp did to many American citizens on Jan. 6th, 2021.abwilliams: You do a very impressive job of laying out the general conservative platform. Not that I agree with it, but I can respect another point of view so neutrally expressed.
This is where you lose me: " and look at the big picture, not these little cherry -picked sound bites that MSM uses to mock and destroy him"
The laundry list of abuses, outrageous behavior, and unpresidential actions are not a list of cherry-picked sound bites. They are revelations of the man's character or more precisely his lack of character. No, we don't expect to elect Jesus Christ. But we should draw the line at electing someone at the other extreme. There are other contenders in the field - and were last time. We don't have to lower our standards to this level and debase ourselves and our nation.
In the rush to be the first to get the story out, often you see early reporting that is updated when more facts emerge, from both sides. On one side though, you have admissions under oath that they are pushing known falsehoods for profits.
People will form opinions from what they see and hear. What should be more important is to not form conclusions until all the facts are in. I, personally, put Kyle Rittenhouse in this kind of category. Upon early reporting, I had very negative opinions on him. But, I made sure to listen to the actual testimony at his trial and will now defend him publicly because his self defense claims were proven true. I was able to conclude his innocence with more facts.I think it is just wise to always wait for as much information as possible before shaping an opinion. It is hard, due to so much being offered up on any given issue.
I don't think these tapes have changed my mind or view of what Jan 6th represents to me. I feel many broke the law and most certainly tried to stop Congress from its appointed job.
I feel all was bad enough, I did not need all the window dressing that the media was
dishing up.
And yes I myself noted media retractions as time went on, but many may not have seen the restrictions, and are still believing some of the mistruths.I don't know, I still think that this Rittenhouse was a punk kid who intentially relocated himself where he did not belong. While he was acquitted, he in his determination to be a gunslinger, under age in fact, was provacative in his behavior akin to what happened with Trayvon Martin having been shot by Zimmerman with the same "self defense" argument.
In the Rightwinger mindset, a gun is a masculine rite of passage. Why else do grown men come in military battle fatigues armed to the teeth to confront city hall?
Do you feel the same about Joe Biden, in light of the news hidden from us of his and Hunter's dealings with Communist China? Have you ever asked yourself why this story was suppressed and why Joe Biden was seemingly ordained? Have you ever asked yourself why so much effort was put into stopping Trump early on? He wasn't so hated before his run, if he was, I don't remember it.
I don't know how many times that I have heard the same lies about him repeated over and over and they just aren't true. Yes he has called out fake media...they are!! Yes he has called out Hillary for spying on his campaign, she did!!
What he really said about the events in Charlottesville has been twisted into one big ugly lie and same for Jan. 6th.
Him mocking a disabled man is a big lie, never happened.....I could go on, but it will have to wait. I'm tired.CNN Facts First
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Did former Vice President Joe Biden receive $1.5 billion from China?
CLAIM
Trump conflated his accusations against former Vice President Joe Biden and son Hunter Biden -- railing against Hunter Biden's business dealings, then saying that Joe Biden "takes a billion-five" from China and "he goes on and he allows China to rip us off." He added, "So the Bidens got rich while America got robbed."
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There is no evidence Joe Biden has received large sums of money from China or has otherwise gained wealth as a result of his son's business dealings abroad.
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Trump has previously made the "billion-five" accusation against Hunter Biden. While a conservative author has used this figure, it has not been proven. A lawyer for Hunter Biden, George Mesires, says the investment company in which Hunter Biden has an equity stake was capitalized with a total of about $4.2 million at today's exchange rates, "not $1.5 billion." Even this investment was not a direct payment to Hunter Biden; Hunter Biden holds a 10% stake in the firm, Mesires says, and has not made a profit to date.
I found this article after a five-minute Google Search. Granted, there were several articles full of accusations.Time Magazine February 13, 2023
"Fox News also reported that there was no evidence that any part of the business deals with the Chinese entities went to Joe Biden. It is also worth pointing out that in 2017, Joe Biden was no longer Vice President and was nearly two years away from announcing his candidacy for President."Yes, I think all elected officials should be held to the letter of the law.
The Poynter Institute:
"Recent administrations with the MOST criminal indictments:
Trump (Republican) — 215
Nixon (Republican) — 76
Reagan (Republican) — 26
"Recent administrations with the LEAST criminal indictments:
Obama (Democrat) — 0
Carter (Democrat) — 1
Clinton (Democrat) — 2Wouldn't it be better to post actual "guilty" verdicts? After all, accusations are a dime a dozen, or maybe a penny a dozen in the political arena. They mean nothing at all.
Great point, out of the 34 indictments 25 were Russian citizens which we never got our hands on.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … grand-jury
I suggest you fact-check your post. It is not factual in regard to Indictments that occurred under the Trump administration. In reality --- "Trump indictments. The mistruth was spread due to a Facebook post that went viral and was quickly fact-checked.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election netted indictments against 34 people and three entities." Which 25 were Russian citizens, that could not be prosecuted.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … p-reagan-/
Added Source list of persons indited --
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00 … -SD942.pdf
Pending investigations under Joe Biden
https://oversight.house.gov/landing/bid … stigation/
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/medi … .09.23.pdf
There is an ongoing DOJ, and FBI investigation into Biden's taking and keeping unclassified documents at many insecure locations.We are citing the same source. Glad you were interested enough to read all of it.
I don't trust government sources as they are so politicized. I saw them and read them though.
"This claim exaggerates the number of indictments under Trump, in particular, by counting the number of criminal charges filed, rather than the number of people indicted; and it includes the indictments of people who are not part of his administration, such as 25 Russians."Yes, I think all elected officials should be held to the letter of the law.
The Poynter Institute:
"Recent administrations with the MOST criminal indictments:
Trump (Republican) — 215
Nixon (Republican) — 76
Reagan (Republican) — 26
"Recent administrations with the LEAST criminal indictments:
Obama (Democrat) — 0
Carter (Democrat) — 1
Clinton (Democrat) — 2
Yes, my source does clear up how many were actually indited 34 not 215, as the Facebook post claimed. I was glad to see the post fact-checked.Only 34? Makes him second behind Nixon, our only president to resign, but ahead of Reagan - all republicans. To 3 democrats.
Politiczing government documents is very bad. It make the people lose confidence in the government.
Try entering, "the big guy" @ CNN's Facts First, I am just curious...
The entire last graph from Time Magazine Feb. 2023
"What about that “big guy” email?
Data purportedly from a laptop that allegedly belonged to Hunter Biden included a May 2017 email from one of his business partners laying out how percentages of equity from a proposed venture with a Chinese energy company could be divided. One line of that email asks the question, “10 held by H for the big guy?” Hunter Biden’s former business partner Tony Bobulinski, who was one of Donald Trump’s guests for a presidential debate in 2020, told Fox News that he believed “H” stood for Hunter and “the big guy” was Joe Biden. Beyond that, Fox News also reported that there was no evidence that any part of the business deals with the Chinese entities went to Joe Biden. It is also worth pointing out that in 2017, Joe Biden was no longer Vice President and was nearly two years away from announcing his candidacy for President."
Do rich people have entanglements between family members and foreign entities/businesses? Yes. Have you seen the amount of money Trump's family has made off his presidency? We could do this all day.
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