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   gmwilliamsposted 9 months ago

   
   Is America heading downward or upward?  Is America as it once was disappearing into a new order? Or will America return to its basic principles?   To put this in more clarification, is America becoming better or worse?  Why?  Why not?

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      wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      America is changing from what it was, but whether that is good or bad depends on what one wants the country to be.
      
      We are going from a hard working people responsible for themselves to a country of leeches, forever feeding off of someone else and whining it isn't our fault - we cannot change our personal circumstances but someone else must do it for us instead.
      
      We are losing whatever it was that made us a nation of people, instead choosing to invite the world to determine what our culture will be. 
      
      In the name of "diversity" and "tolerance" we are declaring that anything and everything is acceptable to us regardless of whether it is good or harmful.  As long as it is different it is to be celebrated and even physically impossible claims are accepted as true if they are different.
      
      Finally, we have decided that small children, without experience in the world, may decide their future, a future that is irreversible.  We are causing great harm to the youngest, the naive, the inexperienced and the gullible among us in the name of "human rights".
      
      To some these things are obviously "good", to others common sense tells us they are obviously destructive and harmful.

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         Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

         What he said ----  Oh yeah

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            gmwilliamsposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            This is so true.    America is progressing in some ways but mostly regressing in so many ways.   Mostly, America has changed for the worst.

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         Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

         No.
         
         America is being changed by an evil cabal that sold us out to the highest bidders.
         
         Despite all the efforts for change by Americans, the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, etc. last for 35, 45, years and longer in DC.
         
         Because we have been a very rich, powerful nation for so long, the people have become both entitled and oppressed, we have it so good, even as we watch the nation crumbling, the homeless mounting, and our economy tanking, we do nothing.
         
         Meanwhile the push continues to deconstruct society and all the mores and morals that united us and made us the safest nation in the world to live in.
         
         They are not pedophiles... they are MAPS.
         
         Prepubescent children should be allowed irreversible sex change, rather than protected from it.
         
         There are 76 different sexes and counting, some states (like Michigan) are putting into law if you use the wrong identification for a person, it is a felony.
         
         Equity not Equality.
         
         Men allowed to claim that they are women, and given all the access, rights and protected status of minorities, even over women's rights.
         
         Open Borders and the dissolution of Religion, Patriotism and Nationalism in favor of nihilism and international law.
         
         Boy Scouts is sexist and exclusionary.
         
         Its OK to pledge allegiance to the LGBTQ+ flag, but it is racist to stand for the American flag.
         
         Its not looting, its reparations.
         
         Its all around you...there is no doubt if the changes are good or bad, not if you are a sane rational person.

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            JCapehartposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Misinformation really needs to stop.
            
            "New legislation that would expand Michigan’s hate crime law to include protections for the LGBTQ+ community would not make it a felony to address a person by the wrong pronouns"
            https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/mic … st%20name.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 9 months ago

   Better? Worse? I'd say recovering.
   
   From a pandemic, a failure of the electoral college to protect us from a demigod as it was intended to do, from the following financial crisis, and the predicted global warming.
   
   I have faith, though, in the coming generations to take us into a better future - as has always been what has kept America thriving in the long run (even though it is one step forward, two steps back before we leap forward again.)

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   Brenda Arledgeposted 9 months ago

   They say there is a new world order coming...and it very well might be.
   
   Since so many of the young folk are on drugs...anything can slip right past them.
   
   It's sad to think that our country will lose after all we've been through to stay strong.
   
   But the elders cant hang on forever...and the next generation must prevail.
   
   I seriously have my doubts.

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   Levellandmikeposted 9 months ago

   America could- and should- return to its basic principles, but the American left will never allow it.

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      gmwilliamsposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      What you have said is so true.  Thank you for your response.

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      Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Agree, and this is too bad. We are a young Nation, and the path was somewhat rocky. But we were moving ahead, learning what was working, and what was not.  We are a unique Nation, we have great freedoms that permit us to be individuals.  We need no molds to fit into, we need to keep all that is special about America. Work on problems, while keeping all that is special.

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         Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

         Good concepts.
         
         It is hard to be a Global Super Power and still expect to have a small government that puts the people first.
         
         As well, it was a nation founded on belief and adherence to commonly accepted moral codes.  Which have been totally trashed and twisted by an over-reaching central government.

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            Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

            I always come to the conclusion in the end --- we got what we bought. We progressed down a path that led us away from what we thought were very special ideals. Many of us still have held fast, others have just decided to return to what we fought a revolutionary war to escape. 
            
            In my view, we have a great number in our society that have become very weak-minded, somewhere along the way, It shows in many of our young. We have not taken care to educate our children well and filled them full of idealistic crap,  that can't obtain due to being ill-educated...   So many are ill-prepared to even be responsible self-supporting adults.
            
            Our society to a great extent has stopped thriving. It's all about, I am special, I deserve all I ask for, but I don't feel I need to work for it.

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               Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

               I agree, but that is one problem, different from a government that is now over-reaching and detrimental to the very concepts America was founded on.
               
               Society as a whole was once based on strong adherence to Christian beliefs, local community and church.  This was true even into the 70s.
               
               Everything was regional, farmers, grocery stores, etc. there was no internet, cell phones, people didn't travel far regularly, cars got 7 miles to the gallon... not 50 like they can today. 
               
               The deconstruction of local community based society and services is due to how travel has literally become global, and how communication is also literally global... you can be influenced today by someone in China, you can have conversations with a Chinese CCP member on Twitter or TikTok and think you are talking to an American.
               
               These issues however are different from the over-reaching central government, working diligently to bring about a global/international government that supersedes  national (American) authority.
               
               If one wants small government and independence from scrutiny and excessive and overbearing rules and regulations to follow, one must either move to the most rural settings left in America, or one must move from America all together.
               
               You will not find the type of peace and tranquility, liberty and freedom in American cities or sprawling suburban areas today, that the founding fathers were trying to protect and preserve.
               
               Our Federal government today is more of an International Enforcer for corporations and conglomerates, it is an extension of the UN and vice versa, the likes of Biden and those that fill his Administration are more interested in meeting the criteria set forth in the UN's Agenda 2030 then they are protecting and preserving the rights inherent to American citizen's in the Constitution... in fact they would prefer to do away with the concept of nation all together, in favor of a one-world, all people are treated the same, citizen or not, and hence the border policy that is, for all purposes, open.

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                  Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  You hit the nail on the head...  It would seem we have a massive fight if we even hope to return to a recognizable America.

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                     Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                     Your vision of a return to a recognizable America is just what I am afraid of......

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                        Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                        It takes hard work to make something different. It's very easy to copy or borrow.  But the work we have put into America is well worth keeping, and yes, fighting for. Always room to build, and move forward, but not at the expense of destroying what we have created.  There is nowhere in the world like America, in my view.

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                     Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                     There are two major factors that will prevent this.
                     
                     Technology, the damage being done today to how Americans socialize, comminicate and date... TikTok, hookup aps like Tinder, and pay to view sites like OnlyFans.
                     
                     Your cell phone, tv, computer constantly record and report everything you do to mega-computers that are now being run by AI.
                     
                     You can only watch and learn about what is going on in the world if they want you to.  The internet is censored today in ways that didn't exist ten years ago, Youtube, and other popular sites restrict whatever they want, based on beliefs and political agendas.
                     
                     The other factor is the economy, soon, when they go to Digital Currency and Digital Wallets, your money, your ability to buy the most basic items, will be completely controlled by the government.  Unless you are living out in the sticks, and have the means to grow your own food, hunt, fish, and generally be capable of being off-grid.
                     
                     Those that conform to what the government demands of them, will be just fine in the years to come, those that try and object or oppose, will find it very difficult to buy anything, go anywhere, or work anywhere.

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                  Brenda Arledgeposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  I live in one of these rural areas...
                  I fear these type of places will be gone before too long.
                  
                  We do need these quieter ways of life where farmland is abundant.
                  
                  City life and the rude ways of city folk are killing this country.
                  
                  Let's keep some of the basics which made our country great.

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                     Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                     I agree, it's so important to keep a wonderfully diverse society.  Otherwise, w are just robots bumping into one another, no real individualism makes for a society that is stagnant.

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            JCapehartposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            "As well, it was a nation founded on belief and adherence to commonly accepted moral codes.  Which have been totally trashed and twisted by an over-reaching central government."
            
            How, specifically, has this administration trashed or twisted moral codes? Are you able to point to specific legislation?

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