Did you watch the Republican Debate...Raise your Hand

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abwilliamsposted 8 months ago

I watched and I was very impressed with Vivek Ramaswamy. I think he would be the perfect running mate for Donald Trump! He was confident and consistently conservative. I do like Tim Scott, but he may be too nice. ?? My favorite Gov fell short, but I still love DeSantis. It is still early & there will be other debates.
Thoughts?
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Any one of them, including the debate hosts, Bret and Martha, would make a better President than the one that we currently have in office!
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  AB,
  
  I also was impressed with Vivek Ramaswamy, he touched on all my concerns, and he was not willing to back away when Pence made an attempt to dispute his feelings about failing American patriotism.
  
  I also felt Desantis did well. I was disappointed with Tim Scott due to he seemed to be repeating a script, which made him sound like all the rest. Scott has been the one candidate I have been following, and impressed with.
  
  All the rest seemed very much like soap box politicians, very much rehearsed.
  
  I liked how Nikki hit the nail on the head when she made the claim that the Republicans had a lot to do with the shape we find the country in today.
  
  If we can judge by the crowd participation, they truely gave loud applause to all Vivek Ramaswamy, and Desantis, Nikki, the rest you could almost hear a pin drop.
  
  In my view, we need to quickly bring the party together and need to commit to voting for whoever wins the primary.
  
  I agree Bret or Martha would be a better president than Biden.
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Agreed, many of their responses were well-rehearsed, too much polish....
  Just BE YOU, the people love it, when you are!
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  AB
  
  I agree, I like candidates who speak with transparency and share their views, not always what I want to hear. As for the debate ---
  
  I appreciated the presence of numerous Republican candidates who showcased their agendas during the debate. This demonstrates a variety of perspectives within the party. The fact that we have many Republican candidates to choose from is something I see as a positive aspect. This gives voters a broader range of options to consider and evaluate.
  
  The Democrats have a very limited number of candidates. (I think thus far two Biden and Kennedy). The Republican party has a more competitive field, which is an encouraging sign for a healthy democratic process. My personal viewpoint is that none of the Democratic candidates align with my values and beliefs, and have policies I feel will further harm America. This highlights the Republican candidates presented late-night align with my own. In fact, all the candidates seemed to resonate with my principles.
  
  Hopefully, some Republicans might not find suitable Republican candidates, and choose to sit 2024 out... I would hope they take time to clearly think about what the alternative may be if they choose to sit the 2024 election out.
  
  I have an appreciation for the diversity of candidates, and the availability of choices. I intend to stay involved, while also aligning with candidates who reflect my personal values. As you know, I feel the country is on a very destructive path. The 2024 election is so very important.
  
  Shar
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  "The Democrats have a very limited number of candidates"
  
  ....and a very limited capacity to lead and to do right by this Country!
  Which as you stated, has us on a very destructive path!
  Something has got to give!
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Yes, something does need to give. The 2024 election will be very telling of what our society is made of.
  
  AB, I was really so pleased that Fox offered the song " Rich Men North Of Richmond." Hey, nothing better than a great political song that lays out what so many are pissed off about. Hey girl, we got ourselves a song!
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Great song!!
  They are playing it on country music radio here in central FL, with a couple of bleeps covering the couple of bleeps...lol
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Shar, this has gone viral too, you may have already read it, but sharing...just in case you missed it.
  
  https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ … tid=I6gGtw
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  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  "none of the Democratic candidates align with my values and beliefs"
  
  Would you be willing to share some of those values that you feel align more so with Republican candidates? Your statement is one I see quite often among Republicans but I've always had a hard time understanding it due to the fact that the very leader of the party is generally considered to be a man of little character and amoral. I understand that there is a lot more to the party than just one man
  The party does appear to have members with more going for them in the way of integrity but they still rally around Trump. It's a big disconnect for me personally. Would Trump be one of the candidates that you would personally "align with because he reflects" your values?
  Anyone else who would like to come in on this? Would love to hear thoughts on exactly what are the Republican values these days and how are they reflected, personally in the character of any given candidate but mostly your leader?
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  This is the same question you asked me on another thread --- So this is a copy/paste...
  
  "What, if I may ask, is the moral question today for the Republicans?"
  
  Is it not fair and important to approach discussions about political parties and their moral positions with a fair and balanced perspective? In my view, both the Republican and Democratic parties consist of diverse groups of individuals with various beliefs, and it's not accurate to make sweeping generalizations about the moral character of either party as a whole. Hey, just my view.
  
  However, Moral questions for Republicans, as well as Democrats, can vary based on different factors, including changing societal norms, policy issues, and individual values. As I feel ideologies are very far apart when it comes to Republicans and Democrats. But, I will try to touch on your question.
  
  Republicans often emphasize limited government intervention in people's lives and the economy. The moral question revolves around finding the right balance between government regulation and our personal freedom, considering issues like healthcare, environmental regulations, social programs, and more...
  
  We have moral questions regarding social issues like abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, and religious freedom often surface within the Republican party due to differing beliefs among members.
  
  Balancing national security and economic concerns with empathy and compassion for immigrants is another moral question that Republicans face, particularly in the context of border control and immigration policies that are clearly failing.
  
  Finding a moral stance on environmental issues while considering economic growth and energy independence is a challenge for Republicans, given varying opinions within our party.
  
  Moral considerations around military intervention, diplomacy, and international relations also come into play for Republicans. In any democracy, citizens often evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of each party's positions and candidates before making their decisions about what party to support. Is it not important to engage in thoughtful, fact-based discussions about policy differences and the moral questions faced by both major parties?
  
  I have also answered the question frequently here on HPs.
  " Would Trump be one of the candidates that you would personally "align with because he reflects" your values?"
  
  To add to what I value -- Limited Government; Free Market Capitalism; Traditional Family Values; Individual Liberty; National Defense and Security; Pro-Life Stance: States' Rights: Pure Individualism: Strong National Identity: Conservative Judiciary:
  
  What I have observed in some cases, Trump does not represent my values. I have given my reasons over and over. I voted for Trump in 2016 due to finding Hillery Clinton a deplorable human being. The second time I voted for Trump was because of his job performance, and feeling he actually was one of the best presidents in regard to job performance. I will vote again for Trump if need be due to feeling that Joe Biden and the Democratic party are vile, corrupt, and are ruining America.
  
  Not sure I could be more honest about my feelings. To sum it up --- I fear where the country will end up if Democrats hold the White House.
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Gladly.
  As I responded to PP earlier, I value LIFE, liberty and the ability
  to pursue happiness.
  I value the fact that our God-given Rights are protected by the U.S. Constitution and that the U.S..Constitution LIMITS the Government!
  I value the ability to speak freely, worship when and how I choose and petition the Gov when I have a grievance or when they overstep their boundaries.
  
  Faith, Family & Country mean everything to me.
  
  I have repeated this so many times, but Trump grew on me, he was not the person I was supporting during the Primary...I have no doubt he too holds in high esteem; his Faith, his Family and this Country. The patriotism on display during his four short years was refreshing and took me back to my childhood, when we used to be proud to be Americans!! How Trump was with Veterans was so genuine, not just in public, but reading and hearing stories of when he'd make unannounced, surprise visits to Walter Reed, etc.
  
  I never put him on any pedestal, that's reserved for Jesus Christ, so I never expected perfection from him, only the ability to not run my Country into the ground and keep promises made. He delivered!
  
  All I hear modern day Dems do...is tear down this Country, talk about transforming it, apologize for it, condemn the people, mock patriotism! They don't value LIFE nor liberty nor much of anything from what I can gather.....I could NEVER support that or them!!
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  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  "I have no doubt he too holds in high esteem; his Faith, his Family and this Country."
  
  Are Trump's actions and words congruent with faith?
  
  I don't agree with the description of Democrats. It's a very sweeping description. We have moved to a place in this country that it is no longer okay to have our differing policy positions without some how denigrating the other side as of they are some foreign species. I can understand your policy positions while not agreeing with them but have this question, does Trump align with your personal values? Things such as expectations for honesty, integrity, character. Is his behavior and speech fitting for the office of president? Or are you willing to set aside your own values in terms of expectations of presidential character?
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  I've shared enough, Trump isn't the Boogeyman. Hopefully some sicko convinced he is, doesn't assassinate the man or a member of his family, as has been threatened!!
  
  Sick world!!
  
  How about you, what excites you about the alternative, Biden, and Dems? What do you disagree with in my assessment of Dems?
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  IslandBitesposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  I see that Tucker was successful. I hope that's not the new campaign plot. To fake an assassination attempt?
  
  Well, It wouldn't surprise me.
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Not sure what Tucker said or didn't say or what your problem is, but I was referring to this latest story:
  
  https://nypost.com/2023/08/23/woman-thr … %20buttons
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  IslandBitesposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Oh, yes. For what I read, she is more of the Q type than a hateful democrat. Hollywood pedophile ring, illuminati... Glad they arrested her.
  
  But yes. All politicians should be careful with their rhetoric, since there are a lot of crazies out there.
  
  We all know who kinda of like to fan the flames, though. He seems to be the best at that.
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  I never used the words, "hateful Democrat", I shared a horrific story!
  
  You couldn't just leave it at:
  
  "all politicians should be careful"
  
  Oh no no no, had to get in another jab and then another.....it is never enough to just leave it be and move on, it's a symptom of the condition!
  
  I pray that the constant rhetoric of people like you, doesn't cause harm to anyone.
  
  It's a free country (for now) you can comment on my topics, but I will no longer respond to anything you have to say!
  In the past, I have walked away, but I am not going anywhere!
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  IslandBitesposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  it is never enough to just leave it be and move on, it's a symptom of the condition!
  
  Yup, we know.
  
  MAGA! Right? Ja.
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Don't placate, walk away... All you will get is a badly written two-liners, that really adds any context to an ongoing conversation. Just fluffy BAIT.
  
  The giveaway "We know" ... feeling power comes in a group is always a giveaway.
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  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  I believe that Biden has competently navigated this country through the pandemic and the chaos it brought.
  
  Inflation has dropped for 11 straight months, from its peak of 9.1% in June of last year to 3.2% in July. Unemployment stands at 3.5%, which is a near 50-year low, and 13 million jobs have been added since Biden took office. The FED has praised the resiliency of the US economy and no longer calls for a recession.
  His accomplishments this far? He has been able to pass three major pieces of legislation. Some economists say will reinvigorate America’s economy over the next decade: the Chips and Science Act, Inflation Reduction Act and Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.
  As a result, manufacturing construction spending has doubled since the end of 2021 and the passage of the bills. This is good news for bringing manufacturing back to the US from China.
  In terms of healthcare, I like the fact that he has capped insulin prices for those on Medicare. There's no reason that people should have to ration or forgo needed insulin. He challenged pharmaceutical companies to match his effort and Eli Lilly responded by cutting insulin prices.
  
  Something that hasn't gotten enough attention also, The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act. This one was largely discussed as a gun safety bill, but in reality, the bill is actually more of an investment in mental health than anything else.
  The law provides roughly $10 billion in funding for mental healthcare, the largest-ever investment in America’s mental healthcare system. In my opinion this is something that was long overdue and desperately needed.
  
  Other positives: He signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law, improved healthcare for veterans affected by burn pits, got us out of Afghanistan, when no one else would, albeit chaotically.
  A practical positive: pardoned all prior federal offenses of simple marijuana possession, which will help thousands of people who were previously convicted of simple possession who may be denied employment, housing, or educational opportunities as a result.
  
  Biden, in my opinion, has been a good President. He has help us recover from the effects of COVID. Our economy is strong and headed in the right direction. We are leading the world again. Our alliances which were frayed under Trump are now strengthened again. We’ve made historic and consequential investments in our future.
  I support Biden and his agenda. He's a solid centrist, deal maker that has been able to get things done under extraordinary circumstances.
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  Credence2posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  That was great, Willow, couldn't have said it all much better....
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  Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Cue one of the far-right posters to bring up how costs have risen, while simultaneously ignoring how the problem was global.
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Spoken like a true Conservative witch-hun......no wait, what was the word you used, as to your reason for being here? An operative!? Can't remember, will go back and search...
  
  Anyhow, hopefully, the people are up for going through it all again....{COVID} cuz it's about to truly hit the fan!!
  Hopefully, a majority of the people, will not be fooled twice!
  
  P.S.I am a small business owner, I know when there's inflation and when there's not. Good try though!
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Hey, I was going to add he very negative list of what Biden has truly done to America. I just don't have the many hours it would take to provide the lengthy list.
  
  I must laugh they are playing "tag team".
  
  "Lord knows they all just wanna have total control
  Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do"
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  abwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Yep!
  Love it! This is one of my favorite lines from the song:
  
  "Living in the new world, with an old soul"
  
  Wow!! Powerful!
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Oliver Anthony is a Christian, and his song may have been a true gift from a man who has accepted Jesus Christ - at this time in our history.
  
  The Lord works in mysterious ways.
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  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  I clearly stated that there was a drop in inflation.
  
  A little more on inflation:
  
  Today, the FED, J. Powell noted that the economy has been growing faster than expected and that consumers have kept spending briskly — trends that could keep inflation pressures high. He reiterated the Fed’s determination to keep its benchmark rate elevated until inflation is reduced to its 2% target."
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  lovetherainposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  No, I would rather gouge my eyes out with spoons that watch politics on TV.
  
  Or watch any politics,
  
  or any TV .
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Credence2posted 8 months ago
Any guess as to why they all wear "red" ties?
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  Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Have you seen the GOP logo? They are red, the Dems blue.
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  Credence2posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Yeah, Valeant, I suspected that but it makes them all appear to lack independence right down to their clothing choices, all the same peas in a pod. Who really wants to stand out?
  
  I might not consider that flattering.
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abwilliamsposted 8 months ago
It looks good on camera!?

Nikki didn't get the memo, but she looked good, she stood out!
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Kathleen Cochranposted 8 months ago
I have nothing to add to this post, as I've already commented on the subject in another discussion. I'll also take nothing from it as I've heard it all before - ad nauseum.

" I fear where the country will end up if Democrats hold the White House." Where has the country ended up when the GOP held the White House? I guess we won't know until all the trials are finished.
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  " I guess we won't know until all the trials are finished."
  
  I agree. I also agree that most here has been shared over and over. I actually used copy/paste to answer a question I am continuously asked.
  Hopefully, this time my reply sticks.
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Valeantposted 8 months ago
Alternative Debating...

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Valeantposted 8 months ago
Called that one.
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  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Yep, ignored the bulk of the post only to state, erroneously, that I claim no inflation.
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abwilliamsposted 8 months ago
Amen to that....I just shared this on FB, so they are in the process of burying it... but I think you might enjoy the message. I love this guy too!!

https://fb.watch/mEGusLW0P8/?mibextid=2JQ9oc
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  Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this
  What a blessed message... I am of the same mind. I witnessed the evil quickly, and have asked all that love good to hold on, and never give up hope. Because good will top evil. Yes, we are at a true crossroads, and we have many that just today celebrate a man who was arrested, without thought of innocent until found guilty. Standing in judgment over another is one of the roots of evil.
  
  I see good emerging even in a song. I will hold on to good will overcome vile. It is clear we have some that are working hard to turn what is good bad, and what is bad good. I trust God will always see this, and step in.
  
  Thank you for the video - it was uplifting.
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abwilliamsposted 8 months ago
Last one...I promise, got to get back to work.
Later!!

https://fb.watch/mEHMBkzfFY/?mibextid=UVffzb
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Valeantposted 8 months ago
Oliver Anthony doesn't seem to want anything to do with the political scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qawM0Z … VuIG5vcnRo
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abwilliamsposted 8 months ago
Yep, he has just had it with The Swamp!
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  Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Did you click on the link and listen to the man?
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Willowarborposted 8 months ago
Vivek Ramaswamy says he would've certified the 2020 election results and that Pence missed an ‘opportunity for heroism'

Question? Who supports this? And does this guy know much of anything about how our system of government actually works?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e … rcna102010
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  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  He probably does know. We all do:
  
  Democrats propose a bill to a Republican House. It is shelved and ignored for 2 years until the majority switches, whereupon Nancy Pelosi requires an immediate vote on it, telling everyone they can read it after it's past. Then the scenario repeats with Republican bills ignored until the majority switches again.
  
  In the meantime the important things are set aside as not productive for either party to discuss. Border control, DACA kids, welfare reform, 30 million people in the country illegally, controlling government spending, immigration rules...these kinds of things that anger people are never fixed at all.
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  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  If I can just redirect, do you agree with Vivek?
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  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  I confess I'm a little foggy about what he is saying. Old age setting in, maybe.
  
  He would do what Pence did, but Pence missed an opportunity? I don't get that. He thinks he could have pushed voting reform through before he certified? I don't see how.
  
  But yes, I would have certified, just as Pence did.
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  Willowarborposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Yes exactly, he said,
  “In my capacity as president of the Senate, I would have led through that level of reform, then on that condition certified the election results, served it up to the president — President Trump — then to sign that into law. And on January 7th, declared the re-election campaign pursuant to a free and fair election,”
  
  This guy seems to lack basic understanding of how our government works but I'm afraid he is most likely going to be on the ticket with Trump.
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  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that's how I read it, too. Hold the results hostage until he gets what he wants.
  
  Unfortunately, that's how too many things get done in DC - by holding something else hostage until the opposition gives in. I suppose he picked up on that, thinking he could do the same with the election results, and for all I know it might have worked.
  
  Not the way our government is supposed to work, but then very little that happens there is how things are supposed to work, from massive "donations" (read; bribes) to refusing to consider bills to holding needed spending hostage to get the pork desired. Our government is a pathetic shadow of what it should be.
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abwilliamsposted 8 months ago
Ouch, sounds painful!

I love this stuff... but, I love my Country much more. Can't close my eyes to those who seek to destroy it! We don't need any more Venezuelas or Cubas....
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Valeantposted 8 months ago
But a Russia or a Turkey seems just fine with the MAGA crowd.
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