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  1. Bigcountry12577 profile image61
    Bigcountry12577posted 8 years ago

    Tell me how Porn should be protected under freedom of speech? Also tell me something (that's good) that has come from pornography?

    1. SparklingJewel profile image74
      SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I pray you get no replies! :)It's always sad to see when someone tries to defend atrocities of life.

      1. Cagsil profile image81
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        And, what's that suppose to mean? You claim to be defending the U.S. Constitution, yet you don't want replies to this thread because of the atrocities.

        Make up your mind would please. hmm

        1. SparklingJewel profile image74
          SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          my first part of the answer was in jest...but thanks for proving my point smile

          the point being that the Constitution has been mis-interpreted to please the lowest life aspects instead of the higher characteristics of life

          1. Cagsil profile image81
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I guess the valid questions are did you see my point of the conversation? or did you simply dismiss it? Because I do agree with you on some points of protecting the U.S. Constitutional Rights of everyone.

            1. SparklingJewel profile image74
              SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              please, elaborate

              1. Cagsil profile image81
                Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Elaborate on what? There are two questions? If you cannot answer either of those two question, then I guess it is what it is. smile

                1. SparklingJewel profile image74
                  SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I never presume, to the best of my ability, to understand where someone is coming from until they elaborate on their point...

                  I answered your questions...again as from previous post


                  my first part of the answer was in jest...but thanks for proving my point smile

                  the point being that the Constitution has been mis-interpreted to please the lowest life aspects instead of the higher characteristics of life

                  you sounded like you had more to say in answer

                  1. Cagsil profile image81
                    Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Then it is what it is. No presumption was required in missing my point of the conversation.

                    Forget it. It would take too long to explain it to you. hmm

                  2. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    And I suppose you are the judge of what are the lower and higher aspects of life?  What if I disagree with you and say I am the judge?  Then what?

                    [I put this reply in the wrong place, below.  That is why it is repeated here.]

                  3. Shadesbreath profile image83
                    Shadesbreathposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Cags and PrettyPanther are both prodding at what I think is the important thing.  If we start defining what is "moral" for ALL people, where does that stop?

                    I'm not a fan of slippery slope arguments, but in a Constitutional system that is arbitrated by Judicial precedents, it's not really fallacious to point out that one person's morality is not another's... case at hand standing as a perfect example.

                    The people working in the industry, while probably most have troubling childhoods etc., they have found a way to survive and created a community in which they can find some degree of contentment in the span of years they have on this Earth. They are exercising their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

                    If their right to do it does not impinge on your right or my right, then why shouldn't it be protected? 

                    The only argument that can be made against it is a "moral" one, and that will most likely be defined by someone's religion if it's going to carry any weight at all, and if it does carry any weight, we're heading back onto the road to fascism again, this time labeled "theocracy."

            2. Bigcountry12577 profile image61
              Bigcountry12577posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Don't you think that this issue has to do with protecting the constitution? When it was passed for porn to be protected under the constitution for freedom of speech shouldn't the people been allowed to vote on it instead of having lawyers argue over the issue. I myself and I'm positive there are more like me that agree lawyers should have no dealings with our rights.

              1. Shadesbreath profile image83
                Shadesbreathposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                So you're suggesting that tyranny of numerical superiority should be the way we settle this stuff?  If a 151 million people don't like something, the other 149 million can just F-off and live with it?

                1. Bigcountry12577 profile image61
                  Bigcountry12577posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Exactly!

                  1. creepy profile image56
                    creepyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    mob rule is not the american way

                  2. Bigcountry12577 profile image61
                    Bigcountry12577posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    If the majority of the country say's they want to do something then let them vote on it. If it's something I don't agree with and it passes by the majority I need to suck it up or move one or the other. But as long as the country still has some moral fight in them I will stay and fight.

                    PAUL WELLS

              2. Pandoras Box profile image69
                Pandoras Boxposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Not even civil rights?

          2. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            And I suppose you are the judge of what are the lower and higher aspects of life?  What if I disagree with you and say I am the judge?  Then what?

          3. profile image0
            Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I agree with this.

            1. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Agree with what???

              1. profile image0
                Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                With what I think was Sparkling Jewel's view that the Constitution is being twisted these days to mainstream lower values than it originally meant...

                Maybe I took Sparkling Jewel's answer incorrectly, I dunno.


                I do know that the Constitution was written in a manner that anyone could understand it in its original form,  including the things that were supposedly "left out", like....."rights" for perversion and baby-killing.   ....anybody knows those things are wrong,  so there was no need to put them into the document.
                NOW, especially since this Administration took over,  there are atrocities being mainstreamed into our legal system that never should've even had a chance in hell of even being put before Congress to vote on or consider.

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  "perversion" - sex with minors, animals etc. is not protected by the constitution.  You may have an inaccurate definition of this term which is the basis of your confusion.

                  "baby killing" is also not protected.  Your difficulty in understanding this, and the resultant angst can be traced to a similar source.

                  Have you seen or heard about a new series on FX called "Justified".  I believe it is set in your neck of the woods - Harland, KY.  Is there such a town or is it fictional?

    2. Cagsil profile image81
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I can see you don't understand your rights or even that of human rights.

      The "porn" industry has just as much right to express or to create anything it feels like. Much like "Hollywood" and other movie producing companies.
      The simple fact that it keeps hundreds of thousands of people employed. These people who do the work get paid to do the work, and they can improve themselves and their way of life and their lifestyle, just like the President of the United States gets paid.

      Hope that helped. smile

      1. Bigcountry12577 profile image61
        Bigcountry12577posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Okay, you want to say that the porn industry has the right to print pictures and publish them that most people find offensive except for teenagers and for those that have become addicted to this material from their youth.
        Now tell me something good that has come from the porn industry.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          MONEY

    3. Mikel G Roberts profile image75
      Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Fake Boobies!!!!!!   big_smile

      seriously though why is violence/murder considered to be less evil than sex?

      all sex is ... is two people touching each other in a way that feels really really good???   Where is the depravity in that?

      Killing people on the other hand is all over the T.V. in movies, cartoons, books and almost every interaction public and/or private and it is socially acceptable to watch...????  WTF?

      1. profile image0
        Madame Xposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Oh yay !!! Biggest question of all smile

        ps- fake boobs are an atrocity - ain't nothing like the real thing, baby smile

        1. Cagsil profile image81
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Agreed. smile

      2. SparklingJewel profile image74
        SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        mike, do you really need to hear the differences between love and sex? smile  let alone the lack of morality in the media producers and the public that wants that stuff

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image75
          Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The Puritanical point of view towards sex is why some still believe sex and even porn is evil...which in my opinion it is not. The evil people that take advantage of naive people may be evil, the act of sex is not. Images of love-making is not evil, it is merely an image of two people touching intimately. Sexual abuses are abuses and therefore evil acts. Sex itself is a gift from God.

          IMHO

    4. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Let me ponder that while visiting some of my favorite sites...

      I'll get back to you.

    5. starme77 profile image71
      starme77posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      how is porn speaking? what the hell? And I really what good does come of it? Well I guess if it makes someone feel better to watch it they are gettin g some good out of it , but personally, I dont see any good coming from watching other humans screw , no more than watching two cows or donkeys or dogs or cats or rats or mice, I totally dont understand it do people who watch porn get good out of that too? If so then instead of watching others why dont they just visit a farm

    6. profile image0
      Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That would be easy, if you could tell me, what's porn?

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Defining "Constitutional" is equally elusive.  They set up a whole branch of government to do just that.

    7. KeithTax profile image72
      KeithTaxposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It ends.

  2. Chaotic Chica profile image74
    Chaotic Chicaposted 8 years ago

    All I can say is you really wanted to open a can of worms of controversy posting this one! LOL It will be interesting to see just how many heated debates come of this!

  3. Mikel G Roberts profile image75
    Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years ago

    @ Madame X... They will get better as time goes on, eventually they will be indistinguishable from the originals...  wink

    1. SparklingJewel profile image74
      SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      try saying that after you get your fake penis, Mike smile

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image75
        Mikel G Robertsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I plan on it, as soon, and if, I get the money...

        I want my penis to get hard anytime I want it to, I want it to stay erect for as long as I want it to...even without being sexually aroused. So I can 'fake-it' like women sometimes do...  smile

        (That way I can have sex with women even if they aren't sexually attractive to me and I won't hurt their feelings.) roll  big_smile

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry, it's taken.

        2. starme77 profile image71
          starme77posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Get ya some Viagra lol

  4. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years ago

    OK, I'm back.  I just experienced something good from a porn site and am glad it is protected by the constitution.

    1. Doug Hughes profile image60
      Doug Hughesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Ron - what site????

    2. starme77 profile image71
      starme77posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Where does the constitution sas porn is protected? Is is specific?

      1. Cagsil profile image81
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        The Constitution doesn't require to say anything specific about it.

        America is an Open Free Market Society, and allows all products, goods or services, which it deems as legal, to be bought or sold, within the borders of the U.S.

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I believe it's article 69.

        1. starme77 profile image71
          starme77posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          lol

      3. profile image0
        Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Specifically, The first amendment guarantee of free speech, and amendment 9 which says

        "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not to be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

        In other words, just because something isn't listed as a right, that doesn't mean that right doesn't exist. It's just not possible to list them all!

  5. myownworld profile image76
    myownworldposted 8 years ago

    ....Reminds of Bertrand Russell's words:  "Nine-tenths of the appeal of pornography is due to the indecent feelings concerning sex which moralists inculcate in the young; the other tenth is physiological, and will occur one way or another whatever the state of the law may be! "

    1. SparklingJewel profile image74
      SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      well, when everyone has had the responsibility in raising children and having to decide how to bring them up and reaping the pros and cons in that situation, and seeing what happens to your children, then you'll have a more potent say in what is ethical and moral for the masses...maybe the saying should be "interpretation and ignorance are 9/10th of the laws" on the books and how they are carried out in daily life.

      on a spiritual path, one of the things you can learn is how to love regardless of what someone is doing, but that doesn't have to change your opinion on how you vote on what's better for civilization as a whole and for the long run...we can only do the best we can do and hopefully recognize when its time to change

      1. myownworld profile image76
        myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I don't see how that quote had anything to do with your remark esp. '...you'll have a more potent say in what is ethical and moral for the masses'....but you're entitled to your views. I'm a parent btw. smile

        1. Bigcountry12577 profile image61
          Bigcountry12577posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          how would you feel if one of your children were exposed to porn in some fashion. Or better yet how would you feel if you personally caught one of your kids looking at it.

  6. creepy profile image56
    creepyposted 8 years ago

    something good about porn

    its helped ugly people get laid

    nevermind that was beer

    1. Cagsil profile image81
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      roll

      1. creepy profile image56
        creepyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        roll   what

  7. SandyMcCollum profile image74
    SandyMcCollumposted 8 years ago

    I don't like to suppress anybody's rights of free speech or anything else. However, I dislike porn on a personal level, I think it's raw, animalistic sex and not making love with intimate touching. I don't believe anything good can come from it except money, which some people value above all.

  8. MikeNV profile image77
    MikeNVposted 8 years ago

    This issue has been hammered so many times over and over.

    Until one can make a definitive DEFINITION of what constitutes Pornography it can not be banned.

    And even the courts have not been able to do this so far.

    Everyone does not share the same moral viewpoint.  But when we let a select group of people decide what is right or wrong for us we lose our Freedom of Choice.

    Bible Banger's like to get behind the Moral Issue of Porn... but a counter argument would be that God gave people the Freedom to Choose.

    So the issue is really a non issue.  Live your own life and let people live their own lives.

  9. karlscabin profile image60
    karlscabinposted 8 years ago

    If someone wants to spend 10 bucks (?) on picture of naked women, let him. The mags should not be displayed where kids can get at them.

    THE BAD:
      Do those that fight porn in court do anything but cost US Dollars to be spent at a time the country can't afford it? They have accomplished nothing, ever, but they have spent millions.

    THE GOOD:
    The porn industry provides jobs for writers, photographers, printing people, support people, ect.

    I dont buy porn, but there isn't much clothing in the SPORTS ILLISTRATED issue this month... Are they exempt for being a "sport mag"?

  10. jacobkuttyta profile image33
    jacobkuttytaposted 8 years ago

    Pornography is nothing short of dehumanizing women and children.

    The consequences of pornography are that it:

    Dehumanizes women
    Victimizes children
    Destroys Marriages
    Encourage sexual violence
    Makes fun of ethical and moral values
    Destroys individuals, families, and communites

    A woman is raped in the United States every 46 seconds.  (National Victim Center/Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center, 1992).  Eight six percent of rapists admit to regular use of pornography, with 57 percent admitting imitation of pornography scenes when committing sex crimes (Dr. Villiam Marshall, 1988)

    1. Cagsil profile image81
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And that happens why? Because a person lacks self-control. It's not the product or goods or services. It's those who cannot control themselves, for which, is the underlying problem to what you have presented here.

      Not to mention, yes it is obvious that there are some hideous people out there and force women and children into doing things they don't want to do or rather not do. These hideous human beings are trash.

      Human trafficking of women and children is a disgusting side of people, but does at one point need to be addressed. Not in this thread. But, then again, it is human rights and their rights to life and right of choice should be their own too.

      However, the porn industry, which distributes legal goods or services, in the U.S. has a strict guideline to follow and yes, there are some hideous enough among Americans, that force women and children into doing things. And again, it's not the porn industry's fault.

      Self-control of one's desires is a requirement in life. smile

    2. Shadesbreath profile image83
      Shadesbreathposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      100% of rapists admit to drinking water, bathing naked, and imbibing oxygen when they breathe.

      100% of men who watch porn and do not commit rape are not rapists.

      100% of statistics used in non-sequitur and red herring arguments are fallacious.

      Given your strong feelings on this, I see why you would like to make a connection between your statistics and your conclusion.  However, the relationship is not causal.

      I'm not even going to argue with your opinion.  Just pointing out your support for it does not actually support it.

  11. samer2796 profile image58
    samer2796posted 8 years ago

    hi

  12. Pandoras Box profile image69
    Pandoras Boxposted 8 years ago

    LOL, he's from Texas. lol

  13. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 8 years ago

    It's realy pretty easy. There are only 2 rules.

    1) Keep the kids out of it.

    2) Let the grown-ups do what they want - see what they want.

    For those of you who find porn objectionable -
    DON'T WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!

    1. myownworld profile image76
      myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You nailed it... exactly!

      1. Cagsil profile image81
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Agreed. Too many people telling other people what to do, what to watch and how to live. smile wink


        @myownworld - How are you today? smile

        1. myownworld profile image76
          myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          smile good, thanks Cags....hope you're doing well too. Though it's hard to i know reading this thread! (but then instead of arguing, we all have the choice to walk away....)

  14. blondepoet profile image73
    blondepoetposted 8 years ago

    I will come back when I think of something.

  15. Ralph Deeds profile image66
    Ralph Deedsposted 8 years ago

    Don't worry, everything's okay!

    Wars are dragging on in Iraq and Afghanistan with no end in sight; taxes are way too high and so is the national debt; public schools are deplorable; Medicare is going broke; 40 million have no health care insurance; 12 million undocumented immigrants live in fear of being deported; we've lost the "war on drugs;" roads are full of potholes; bridges are unsafe; China is leading the U.S. in high speed rail transportation and solar and wind power equipment production; employment discrimination is still common; the law is unfair to gays and lesbians; we have given our textile, clothing and heavy manufacturing industries to China as a result of our blind dedication to so called free trade; our military budget keeps going up as if the cold war were still on (now replaced by the "war on terrorism, Islamo-facism"); Wall Street banks, health insurers, pharmaceutical, coal, oil and electric power companies dominate both political parties and the Congress; we are feeding terrorism by allowing our country to be perceived as siding with Israel in its atrocities against the Palestinians; the Supreme Court is controlled by right wing legal activists; the Constitution puts Senators who represent more cows and prairie dogs than people in control of the Senate, producing gridlock which was surely not contemplated when the document was adopted; and the Tea Party is spreading discontent and ignorance throughout the land. Aside from those little problems the country is doing just fine.

    1. myownworld profile image76
      myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If I wasn't a fan already, I'd have fanned you again Ralph! smile

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image66
        Ralph Deedsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Thanks. That riff was published as a letter to the editor in my local newspaper (Detroit Free Press).

 
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